POOLAND STARTED WW2

>>139173606
Poland stole land from Austria, Hungary, and Germany after WWII. It was purely a defensive war on Germany's part.

>>139173606
I'm interested to know why that Polish attack on the German military was a German false flag. I hear nothing but "IT WAS AWWWWWBIVIOUS!"

Maybe you should have just given the Germans Danzig.

>>139173894
Fine, what is your definition of stole?

How was it stolen if Poland claimed them 1000 years ago and held them for 800?

>>139174065
Nazi dindus basing everything off ww2 propaganda.

>>139173968
It happened a day before the Germans attacked

How could they prepare all such an army in less than 24h

Did they come up with Fall Weiss in less than 24h?

>>139174287

Also Blitzkrieg was fully offensive, shouldnt they defend themselves after being """"""""""attacked"""""""""""

>>139173606
>Please explain what stupid shit do you really believe in, generally curious

That completely depends on what the definition of "start" is. Ordering full blown invasion? Then Germany. Border incidents where soldiers/civilians were killed? Germany and Poland. Plan to use Poland as a means to start a war with Germany? Britain and US. Keeping general high tensions within Europe after WW1 so that nobody comes to rest? Everyone but Germany until 1933. Deciding to join the underdog because otherwise war would have been prevented? Then USSR.

>>139173606
Shoulda ceded danzig mate

>>139173968

The only source for it being a false flag is Alfred Naujocks who defected to the allies in 1944

>>139174065

Prussia belongs to Germans and Prussians, prussians don't exist anymore because they assimilated to german culture so prussia obviously belongs to germans. Prussia was never Polish and never will be.

>>139174287
Your goverment was in bed with the zionists you got what you deserved.

>>139174513

Because ceding the Sudetenland had turned out so well for Czechoslovakia before.

If you give a bully and a madman what he wants, he will only want more. Give him and inch and he will take a mile. We should have annihilated Hitler as soon as he occupied the Rhineland in '36, and so prevented the World War.

>>139174460

In addition. Seeing WW2 as a single incident is completely retarded and lacks context. The whole period from 1850 - 1950 should be seen as one era in time were Europe went full retard (some earlier, some later) and only stopped when everyone was literally grinded to the ground. Because at the end of that era, European hegemony over the planet was gone and the ruling parties were the US and USSR.

>>139174413

>get punched
>defense is not punching back

wew

>>139174701
>only we can have an Empire
Fuck the Britcucks. It is unparalleled poetic justice that you became an irrelevant rump state after WW2 that was superseded in every way by a former colony. Had you aligned with Hitler, the British Empire would still exist.

>>139174746
agree, discussing ww2 as an isolated world war not considering this entire period is dumb and missing the bigger picture

>>139173606
Officially they did. The German blue book states that Poland declared war on Germany and attacked them along the border. Whether these were official or not doesn't matter. Poland caused it plus all that shit over Germany's territory. I love you guys but your authoritarian shit tier fake government conspired with the anglos and frogs to cause that shit.

>>139174890
>get punched
>what?

>>139174659
This

>>139173606
I mean, that's like saying jews were Polish

>>139174701
>I only like imperialism of my country

retarded britcuck

>>139174669
Those parts were never annexed by Poland though.

>>139174701
>If you give a bully and a madman what he wants, he will only want more.
So you want to also go in and list all the other bullies? France taking a heavy anti German stance, bringing up Poland, Czecheslovakia and even Austria to take an anti German stance. In 1933, the only neighbors who were not anti German were Switzerland, Netherlands and Denmark. And Poland also didn't really behave nice after WW1, regularly crossing into German territory because they only had a 100k man army which couldn't do shit.

>We should have annihilated Hitler as soon as he occupied the Rhineland in '36, and so prevented the World War.
Oh you historically illiterate. The reason that didn't happen was because you fucking couldn't do it. The arms race started again around 1930 where Britain and US made some naval agreements while France never really stopped rearming after WW1 (but they signed the treaty saying they would do it). Yet, France was a fucking pussy, Britain could not provide enough ground forces in 1936 and Germany was faster with rearmament than the rest starting 1935. Even in 1938 you still did not have the means to do so, otherwise your bitch ass pussy government wouldn't have given in at the munich agreement.

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>>139173606
Nah...

But you guys sure believed in your victory.

http://tsar-ivan.livejournal.com/8522.html

>>139174912

We should have let you and the Communists fight it out in '39, because by then it was impossible to prevent a World War; but to align with you, to take sides with a bullying despot, no, never. That would have been beneath the honour and virtue of every decent Englishman.

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>>139174995
He would not allow any conspiration and join axis
(presumably)

>>139175027

>the polish government was not riling up people against Germans in the border region
>the polish government didnt supply militants with arms
>the polish government didnt antagonize Germany at every opportunity since Pilsudski died
>Jozef Beck didnt fall for the English blanco guarantee in case of war, hoping to conquer Berlin

>>139174287
>It happened a day before the Germans attacked
>How could they prepare all such an army in less than 24h
This isn't even an argument? because the point of having a standing military is to be at a constant state of readiness. Every nation on this planet has detailed plans on invading their neighbours

>>139173606
>Refuses to negotiate the release of Danzig
>Murders ethnic Germans instead
>"wtf why you invade Poland bro?"

>>139175183
>So you want to also go in and list all the other bullies? France taking a heavy anti German stance, bringing up Poland, Czecheslovakia and even Austria to take an anti German stance. In 1933, the only neighbors who were not anti German were Switzerland, Netherlands and Denmark. And Poland also didn't really behave nice after WW1, regularly crossing into German territory because they only had a 100k man army which couldn't do shit.

I wonder, if that has something with the fag, that FUCKING KRAUTS KICKED OFF FUCKING WW1 AND LOST AT IT.

Fucking niggers, where will you own up to the shit you started? No wonder america is such nigger shit, considering it's filled to the brim with fucking krautniggers!

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>>139174669
This is Prussia, it didnt even belong to Poland in 1939

>>139175227
>That would have been beneath the honour and virtue of every decent Englishman.
Yeah right, just like killing millions of Indians over the time, fucking shit up in Egypt between the World Wars similar to what Hitler did with Czecheslovakia, only that the Egyptian death count was multitudes higher... oh the gold old english honor.

>>139174701
You think after having so many young men dying in vain in trenches full shit, piss and guts up to their neck would make the british so eager to jump into another world war

>>139175388

>it's another "lets blame WW1 on Germany alone" meme.

Neck yourself retard.

>>139175311

Polish army mobilized months before German army mobilized starting in spring/early summer of the year 1939

>>139175183

Nobody would ever have invaded Germany wilfully had you kept to yourselves, and, had they done so, Britain would undoubtedly have backed you just as it backed neutral and sovereign Belgium in 1914. There was a great deal of sympathy with you because of perceived injustice about the Treaty of Versailles (personally I do not find a great deal of fellow feeling with that sentiment, in view of the fact that your nation was chiefly responsible for the war). That was why we let you go as far as we did - to our and the world's peril. But compassion is not a virtue that I should expect a Prussianist to understand. The point of the matter is, all your Hitler had to do was keep within his own borders, and leave everybody else alone. He did not do so, a World War followed, and the consequence is that nationalist and right-wing feeling has been stigmatized in Europe for above seventy years.

>>139174669
Half of Germany will be Polish actualy but nvm.

Don't fall for that obvious shilling...

Poland this Poland that ffs how is he still finding fools

>>139173606
Hitler got fucking greedy after he had annexed Austria democratically and then Czechoslovakia by threatening them.
He should have build some mega tunnel or constructed a highway in co-operation with Poland into East Prussia, but no he had to have a land connection.

If Hitler didn't start the war there would be Germany today with Czechia, Austria and muh East Prussia/Königsberg. Instead we have the Muslim Germany because all real men got killed, now they and their women just want to import all immigrants.

>>139175675
>Half of Germany will be Polish actualy but nvm.
Half of Germany will be Polish actualy but nvm.
>Half of Germany will be Polish actualy but nvm.
Half of Germany will be Polish actualy but nvm.
>Half of Germany will be Polish actualy but nvm.
Half of Germany will be Polish actualy but nvm.

we wuz peaceful boles we dindu nuffin nazees obreßßed us gib reberadions :DD

>>139175494

My point is that we should have avoided a World War. Invading early would have prevented one, and making peace late would have prevented one. Responding to German aggression as late as '39 was our mistake. By then we ought to have left them to their own devices and allowed the Communists and the Nazis to tear each other to pieces while we retained our Empire intact.

>>139175595
Even the weimar government was already bypassing versailles in the rearmament limits

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>>139175775

>German aggression

remember when Germany declared war on you when you showed aggression to 25% of the world? No? But Germany getting back its ancestral clay? Oh no the Anglo cant have that

>>139175455
We didn't kill anyone. They died from famine, a typical Malthusian catastrophe. Meanwhile we banned their most barbaric practices such as widow burning

>>139175595
>Nobody would ever have invaded Germany wilfully had you kept to yourselves

This is bullshit and you know it. Imagine the economic reforms of the NatSoc but without rearming, still getting Rhineland and Austria. There would still be shit going on between Poland and Germany because it was going on since 1920, so saying "kept to yourselfs" is already a completely unrealistic scenario. And once nobody except Germany recovered from the economic crisis of 1929, having nearly the GDP of the British and French empire combined, the British balance of power policy would have kicked in which would have led to another war. You did it for 400 years (churchills words) and it's completely out of touch to believe otherwise.

At least know your own history before you shit out this bullshit. It's completely naive drivel that simply ignores many things already going on.

Hitler was a dumb cunt and he got smashed because of it, end of.

>>139175740
A retard thinking Poland will rule Europe based on a immigrant crisis doesnt negate war crimes tho

Germany deserved what it got.

>>139175078
>Polish
>Not Jews
Well, maybe not. Definitely Zionist cucks.

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>>139175967
You should be a historian

>>139176028
>Polish death camps, Poles did holocaust
>Poles are zionist

Pick one, wtf

>>139175740
You are in a decilne Kraut. You are passing away. And we will have to protect our diaspora.

>>139175913
>We didn't kill anyone.
WE FUCKING DINDU

Yet, Churchill even rerouted food from India to the British mainland knowing lots of people will die in India because of it during the war. God dammit how full of shit can you be? Even before 1900 more than 20 million indians starved due to policies implemented where they knew what would happen.

>>139176231
Could there be a plan to relocate all the Polish diaspora in the UK, Iceland etc to Germoney to invade them later

>>139176231

>why do people think of us as subhumans I dont understand

hmmm

>>139175945

We maintained peace in Europe for a hundred years in the nineteenth century (look up the Pax Britannica), intermittently broken, of course, by your nation's warmongering on the continent under Bismarck. You then broke that peace in toto by starting the First World War, bringing Britain into that war by your criminal invasion of the sovereign and neutral country of Belgium. I have said it before and I will say it again, German militarism is a cancer upon Europe, and always has been from its very inception under Frederick.

>>139175775
I don't think Germans would have even attacked France without the alliance with Poland. It's either France or Poland that should have been thrown under the bus, France got utterly BTFO, so if UK just let them act tough but didn't start war, they and Germans could have both had their empires.

France must have been almost like buffer for British against Germany, even though they are now the strongest country in Europe.

>>139176303

It is amusing to see a German of all people point his finger and blame another nation for alleged colonial abuses.

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>>139176401

>thinking you have any rights to moderate Europe whatsoever

kekles

>be British
>fight for jews two times
>win war
>lose Empire
>get stabbed
>get trucked
>get blown up
>get your daughter raped by paki grooming gangs while the paki mayor of your city monitors your online comments for hate speech
>get acid thrown in face to get the quintessentially british look
>yfw

well deserved desu

guys i read this thread and realized something: world war 3 is literally going to start because of germany and poland fighting over danzig

>>139176401
>We maintained peace in Europe
Ah so people stop killing each other for some time and it's all thanks to the british empire? Fkn lmao, anglo arrogance at it's finest.

>by your nation's warmongering on the continent under Bismarck.
What he did with Austria was no concern of the British Empire anyway and the Franco-Prussian war was started by France.

>then broke that peace in toto by starting the First World War
Ah this meme again. Debunked by historians since 1924.

>bringing Britain into that war
Yeah I mean it's not like you could have stopped France and Russia to start mobilization by simply uttering "no we will not support you" or you could have stopped Germany from doing shit by saying to France and Russia "yes we will support you". Yet, you chose to say nothing knowing it will be the only path to war. Your Foreign minister Grey was aware of this fact and he was also the Person who was "responsible" for uttering the needed words.

>>139173606
>Being Pole
>start with killings of ethnic Germans,
>then start WW2, Polish army stronk
>getting scattered by Wehrmacht

>starting WW3
...

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>>139173606
http://jrbooksonline.com/HTML-docs/Polish_Atrocities_intro.htm

very long text and you are probably to lazy to read this so here is a short version :

https://youtu.be/FV-zcaJaf9w

for months you were doing shit. hitler warned you several times but you ddnt listen. also he just wanted danzig. he had no real reason or support of the population to annex all of your country out of nowhere. but you gave him that reason and the support for free.

this is why many people htink you started ww2.
" why die for danzig?" - french slogan.

>>139175913
>kill people by starvation
>lmao you just got malthusianed bro!

>>139176852

Anglos are almost as hypocritical as jews

>>139176563

Right, because Germany is well know for their huge colonial abuses... which pale in comparison to these of any other empire, be it British, French, Spanish or Portugese.

>>139176787
>muh killing of ethnic germans
Some loudmouths getting their noses red and it's the equivalent of genocide for Hitler.

>>139176303

Indians would have died in famines regardless if the British were there or not. Or is it the white mans burden to stop every drought throughout the world?

>>139175913
Holodomor is fake too, they just died from famine because food had to be in more important locations.

>>139176787
You can't read huh ahmed?

>>139176974

Well I guess the Poles just got their "noses red" in retaliation so its fair and square.

>>139176926

That's what you get when Cromwell lets the Jews back in in 1650, having the first Jewish central bank with fractional reserve banking in 1690 and spreading liberalism since then. Britain was the instrument of the Jew since then, France joined after their revolution and the US too at the beginning of the 20th century.

>>139176999
>Indians would have died in famines regardless if the British were there or not.

Yeah you could some proof to back up these shit claims? Because the policies started by the british empire to create such food shortages can be googled easily.

>>139176607

Not a single one of the catastrophes now facing the entire West would have come to pass, had your Hitler simply kept to his own country and his own borders.

>>139176852
We caused droughts now did we? This is some embarrassing white mans burden stuff right here.

>>139174065
West Prussia was predominantly German during the interwar period. Poland got it for the sake of a few Kashub snowflakes and a bit of coastline, then waved its dick at Germany when Germany requested transport access to Danzig and East Prussia.

>>139173606
I don't understand why your government wouldn't just do a population swap with the Germans and give up Danzig. It wasn't even a Polish city at the time. Furthermore why would you want so many foreigners in your country?What were your forefathers thinking?

Hitler admired the fact you guys beat back the Soviets in the 20's. Germany isn't faultless but neither is Poland

>>139173894
Germany created Poland after Brest-Litovsk you mong. The KuK was doomed to fail regardless if the Central Powers had won WWI. Also
>Poland
>Taking land from Hungary

>>139177129

France emancipated the Jews in 1791, at a time when Jews did not have the right to hold a single noteworthy office in this country, and were subject to severe encumbrances under the law, and yet we fought against and crushed France. Our own Jews were not emancipated until 1858. So pray, tell, how will your folly unravel this evident contradiction, if the British Empire was at that time "under their control"?

>>139176951
That because Germany never had a large colonial empire like the ones you cited
Germans still did some fucked up shit to people like namibians, such as driving them off to the desert

>>139175675
>Nazi dindu nuffin
>Poland war was defensive
>Norway just had to be annexed
>Czech Republic had to be annexed
>Denmark because we need ports
>But Nazi's were purely defensive not offensive
>Also fuck Stalin

Anyone who doesn't understand that Lebensraum required offense and nothing about WW2 was defensive on German's part is not a real nazi

>>139177129

True. English liberalism is the foundation for communism, thats why Marx enjoyed living in England so much while he was banned from Germany

>>139177264
>had your Hitler simply kept to his own country and his own borders.

Again this bullshit. Border incidents were going on with Poland since 1920, there literally was no "kept to his own". The entire Weimar Republic saw the German-Polish border as changeable and Hitler was the first one to say "yeah lets finalize that border" to stop the shit that was going on and then it was Poland who didn't give a shit and basically wanted more... what they did since 1920.

>Not a single one of the catastrophes now facing the entire West would have come to pass
You delusional retard. France and Britain won both world wars and your capital mayor is still a fucking muslim. Not having WW2 would have changed what exactly? The peace period in Europe would have been 25 years longer than it is now, meaning the people had still more time to become fat, lazy and degenerate.

>>139174287
>How could they prepare all such an army in less than 24h
Because they were obviously preparing in advance to respond to acts of aggression you fucking pleb.
America nowadays could have boots on the ground anywhere in the world in 24h. Germany didn't have the technology or the international military bases the US has now, but they were right fucking next to you.
Hitler wasn't fucking stupid. He knew Germany's enemies were fixing for war, he wasn't going to leave Germany wide open.

>>139177421
There is no such thing as west prussia

Prussia is in the east

"West Prussia" is Polish regions under a dumb confusing name

Read Prussian history

>>139177391
>lets keep importing food from your place eventhough you're facing shortages
>dude droughts lmao

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>>139177264

>Not a single one of the catastrophes now facing the entire West would have come to pass, had you not

>declared war on Germany 1939
>passed Versailles treaty
>joined WW1
>let the Rothschilds run your government
>invent English liberalism
>let jews into your country

you wont weasel yourself out of this Anglo, you are guilty for this world, it is a direct result of two Ango victories and Anglo school of thought.

>>139177461
Would you give up some Texan territory or anything in the south just because it has more Mexicans than Americans? Probably not, so for the same reason Polish goverment wouldn't reliquish territory with more Krauts.

We have places where Swedish is the majority's language, but I would never give those places for Sweden either.

>>139177508
liberalism is a fucking disease for timid faggots

>>139176951

Well, without going into any other of your other myriad colonial atrocities, let us begin with the fact that your nation committed the very first genocide of the 20th century. Germany literally tried to exterminate two entire peoples, the Herero and Nama, and did succeed in murdering above a hundred thousand of them by starvation and dehydration. By contrast, famines have been going on in India since time immemorial.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herero_and_Namaqua_genocide

>>139177507
Nazis were imperialists they wanted to conquer the whole known universe

So why would you call anything defensive, it was all HItlers dumb imperialistic utopia fantasy

>>139177821
Yes that's what I'm saying

HE even laid it out in Mein Kampf, the book nazis like to recite, and yet they don't talk about it. Retards

>>139177469
Nobody gives a shit about "noteworthy office" when they are in charge of the money supply. That is literally what the Rothschild back then said. When your first Central bank is Jewish owned you can be sure that they don't give a shit about "noteworthy office" when they have a lot of power in economy. And since monarchy was basically removed, big money dictates what happens... as always in (((democracy))). You just pay off the politicians, or give favors etc.

Even laughable that someone has to explain this to you assuming you are a /pol/ regular ...

>>139177821
calling nazi actions defensive is disrespectful towards Hitler and his followers

>>139176951
>What is no ports

You had literally minimal access to sea and yet managed to pull colonialism off. No other country did this. What are your thoughts about on?

>>139177771
they killed germans in mass. also just a few years erlier it was german clay.

so to answer your question : yes, if burgers stole some land on the mexican border, then after 20 kill years kill all mexicans there in the most brutal way, the mexicans would be right to be very pissed about that.

also keep in mind that poland is just a weak shithole compared to germany. its as if nigeria would kill americans in mass. then burgers would be mad too dont you think?

>>139177771
Exactly, diaspora should be deported not take over lands that belong to someone else

German has a stealing nigger mentality

>>139177771
I never asked why the Poles didn't give up the land, I asked why they wouldn't want to try and exchange the Poles in East Prussia with the Germans in the corridor. Danzig at the time was a Polish-puppet state with a German majority

>>139177627

France and Britain won two World Wars, yes -- World Wars which were caused by the actions of your nation, and it was the devastation resulting from them that demoralized people into accepting the foolish and liberal behaviours we see today. Anything even remotely right-wing is now immediately compared with Hitler and the Nazis. They have been doing it even since the days of Enoch Powell, who, when he recommended a halt to immigration and a scheme of voluntary repatriation, was derided as a Nazi by the press even though he despised the Nazis, had hated appeasement, and eagerly fought against Hitler as a common soldier.

Hitler's invasion of Poland was the last of a whole concatenation of actions that proved to Britain that he was a madman, and in no way a rational actor. As I have said, I do not believe we should have invaded so late as '39; by then we should have simply allowed the Nazis and the Communists destroy each other: but do not pretend that it was not your nation that gave rise to that war in the first place.

>>139177810
>let us begin with the fact that your nation committed the very first genocide of the 20th century
Great, lets pick a random human made timeframe for dramatic reason when it's completely irrelevant. So... a 100k people? That's cute.

> the British deliberately adopted policies that caused as many as 29 million Indians to starve to death in the late 19th century

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/commentators/johann-hari/johann-hari-the-truth-our-empire-killed-millions-404631.html

Then you created first concentration camps in the Boer Wars, where you killed white brothers, 10% of their population in a year. And there is much more one could list. As I said, the colonial atrocities of Germany are laughable compared to these of all the other empires.

>>139178221
What if we archive that https://archive.is/A5ITz

>>139177776

Read Oswald Spenglers Prussiandom and Socialism to truly understand the context I was refering to, it is especially redpilling for Anglos

>>139173606
https://archive.org/details/SchultzeRhonhofManyFathersWPermanentSubtitles

yw

>>139178148
You know the etymology of the word clay right

Slavs settled there first and controlled it for hundreads of years

>>139178146
>You had literally minimal access to sea and yet managed to pull colonialism off. No other country did this. What are your thoughts about on?
That we are fucking efficient? Also what does having "no ports" to do with colonial atrocities?

>>139177686

This. What is the solution to the Anglo problem?

>>139178148
And a century or two earlier state called Germany didn't even exist when Poland did. So who do thoes lands belong to if we follow this thinking?

At least in modern times Polish people want to preserve their nation, the same doesen't apply for Gemany. So my sympathy goes for Poland in whatever dispute they have now.

>>139177894

Explain to me how the Jews used the British Empire for their own ends from 1814 to 1914, if it is your contention that they were in control of it. By keeping peace on the continent and spreading Victorian morality, which is now a by-word, across the globe? Do not you see how absolutely foolish a notion that is, if you also contend that they are responsible for World Wars and moral degeneracy? You contradict yourself.

>>139177810
Don't try to grandstand when your country was doing similar things to the Boers at the time

>>139178198
Those people's weren't prisoners. They would be allowed to move anytime they wanted, Poles from East Prussia and Germans from Danzig corridor..

>>139178221

Johann Hari is a journalist disgraced for plagiarism and for writing filthy pornography which, if I remember correctly, involved homosexuality and incest. Some source you have.

Hitler wanted "Lebensraum", and he was never going to get that peacefully. Unless the British were willing to leave Poland to Germany, war was inevitable. The kraut dindus are honestly braindead, they still believe 1930's propaganda.

>>139178207
>World Wars which were caused by the actions of your nation
So you deliberately write this so that nobody takes you seriously, I get it. Especially regarding WW1, every historian would think you are retarded for still claiming that.

The rest is your usual drivel void of historical facts. You lack the complete context and numbers and then make up impossible scenarios. You invading prior to 1939 is completely unrealistic. Even later you joined with France and together got your shit kicked in while France surrendered and you got shoved off the mainland. What good would it have done for you to invade with an even smaller force?

>but do not pretend that it was not your nation that gave rise to that war in the first place.
I stated here >>139174746 what I think about the situation. Thinking it all can be blamed on one, or even only a few, is historical illiteracy.

>>139178445

I invite you to disabuse yourself of much of the nonsense you may believe about the Boer War here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FLhFXIkysk4

>>139178283
yes slavs. not just poles. poland is just a country name.

its like saying USA and england is german clay, since its germanic. makes no sense. ( tho i would like it ).

the point still stands : you killed tons of germans for months and all you had to do was to give danzig back. hitler didnt ask you to give all of his clay back. just fucking danzig and its surroundings, where you massacred thousands of germans, plus it was the connection to prussia.

why didnt you just cede it? i dont get it.

>>139178313
if you don't have access to sea you don't have access to colonialism. they usually go hand in hand, hans.

You had minimal access to sea that is why you should not compare your colonialism to strong sea fairing nations.

you are the only nation that doesn't have serious sea access and still managed to pull colonialism off. don't compare yourself to UK and france. you shouldn't even have had colonialism. your atrocities in mainland pale in comparison to any other european state.

>>139173894
>after WWII

So somehow the nazis had a time machine, knew that Poland was going to steal land after WW2 so they decided to start WW2 to prevent them?

>>139178664
don't pale in comparison to other european states.*

>>139178677
Sounds reasonable, and it's also the logic with less asumptions in the thread.

>>139178315

They pretty much finished off themselves already, England is fucking done. It is in a worse state than Germany despite "winning" the war. Let them crash and burn and we will rebuild after our states crashed as well.

>>139178765

What about the Jewish problem?

>>139178765
How are you in a better position?

All Anglo countries will support the UK, who will help Germans?

>>139177810
>let us begin with the fact that your nation committed the very first genocide of the 20th century.
ironic since it was the british who did it in the boer wars
even the first concentration camps

>>139175294
As a Pole I can confirm that Beck was a massive cunt. If only Pilsudski didn't die before the start of WW2 the outcome of the war would've been very different.

>>139178583

You are entirely wrong about that. "The deepest distinction among historians is between those who focus on the actions of Germany and Austria-Hungary as key and those who focus on a wider group of actors. Secondary fault lines exist between those who believe that Germany deliberately planned a European war, those who believe that the war was ultimately unplanned but still caused principally by Germany and Austria-Hungary taking risks, and those who believe that either all or some of the other powers, namely Russia, France, Serbia and Great Britain, played a more significant role in causing the war than has been traditionally suggested." In other words, different historians have different opinions about it. Liberal ones are inclined to try and put the blame on all European powers; but anybody with a lick of common sense can see that the menacing behaviour of Germany from 1902 onwards, the Austrian ultimatum, and the invasion of Belgium, bear the full brunt of responsibility for the war.

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>>139177650
Your only fucking argument to my pointing out the demography of THAT FUCKING REGION was "b-but the name is incorrect".
Get fucked.

>>139178394
>Explain to me how the Jews used the British Empire for their own ends from 1814 to 1914

You are a really dense one aren't you? Since they were already very powerful in terms of economy/capital since 1700, they simply strived with their businesses while the empire expands and through nepotism, just like today, they focus the gained power within a few individuals. In the end, even the powerful people in Britain, not some stupid politicians, but important people like Cecil Rhodes, had to borrow money from the Jews (mostly Rothschild) to make their great dreams possible. Thus ultimately becoming powerful enough to also influence/dictate policy of the Empire. Especially Rothschild had lots of influence because important people owed money and it was also thanks to him that the Jews were emancipated later on... but he was the one responsible, having already enough influence to push for that policy in governement even though he himself could not be part of it... yet. In the end, he even was one of the first Jews to have a "noteworthy office" in the British government.

>>139178960

A myth. See: >>139178586

>>139178603
Hes and hitler never lied did he? Like when he said he would leave the Czechs alone after they gave him a lump of there country, right?

>>139178992
So you just agreed those are POLISH regions

That means we rightfully got them back from Prussian opressors

>>139179001

Every single post you write has to contain an insult, even though I have not retaliated in kind a single time. It speaks to the lowness of your character.

You have entirely missed the point, so I ask again: how do you resolve the contradiction in your thinking, that

a) Jews are responsible for World Wars and degeneracy,

and

b) Jews controlled the British Empire between 1814 and 1914,

When the British Empire, during that century, preserved peace in Europe, and was a vehicle for spreading morality across the entire world?

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ITT: Poles are subhuman. Nazi Germany dindu nuffn wrong.

Too bad nowdays Germany is the reason why Europe is falling apart, becoming Middle East 2.0. At least we subhuman slavs are trying our best to stop this madness while your lovely untermenschen krauts are causing the downfall.
Germans have been loving the Ahmed cock forever. Even Hitler himself admired muslims.
We will be the antemurale christianitatis yet again. This time not in the south but in the west.
The germans have betrayed the white race. They ought to be genocided once the next world war comes upon us.
For fucks sake they've been trying their hardest to destroy Europe since the motherfucking Roman Empire.
>Degenerate forest niggers.

>>139178878

Cant do shit about it until Anglos have fallen because they will nukes us when we dare to attack the chosen people

>>139178945

Considering that we lost two WWs we are in a much better position than England. Just look at the industry.

England started importing third world niggers deliberately and way before Germany did. Also the social control in the UK and gun laws are much worse than in Germany. Also their CCTV is almost big brother tier.

>>139178970

yep, now we are where we are

>>139178977

This is a nice copy paste from wikipedia but ultimately useless of course, just like the rest you write. Look at Russia prior to WW1, they were planning for a war in 1917 and got it sooner than expected and they secretly mobilized first hoping Germany would not see it at a time when "mobilization means war" was true... But I won't bore you further with such details, you are void of them anyway.

>>139179052
>some random fags opinion is more important than most mainstream historians evidence and facts
welp you convinced me

>>139178992
Waiting for 2020 version where gray dots start to appear in German cities. They're suicidal nation now.

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>>139179147
its all german clay.

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this thread makes me realize that Reddit is in fact not as downy as 4chan.

>>139178475
You're oversimplifying this; you think ~20 years is enough time for such a large population to move en masse? The Turks and Greeks did a similar thing during the same period so it wouldn't be unfeasible for the Germans and Poles to as well

>>139178586
Not bashing the British Empire, just saying not the throw stones in a glass house. Also
>"Extermination camps"
>Believing in 1940's Soviet propaganda

>>139179202
THIS

>>139179227
>Even Hitler himself admired muslims.
Pretty sure he admired islam so far it served his interests and cannon fodder for the wehrmacht

>>139179244
West Germany did not rebuild itself after WW2

The Allies you hate so much rebuilt it

>>139173606
While its hard to blame the polls for world war two it is quite possible to say that had Poland not been recreated after world war one there would not have been a second world war. This is because after the second world war Germany was forced the give land had belonged to Germany for generations to Poland. Specifically the most nationalistic part of Germany Prussia. This was done to give Poland a cold watter port that could operate year round. This land however still housed millions of ethnic germans who spoke german in the 1930s. This led to hitler seeking Anschluss or reuniting of the German peoples. Interestingly enough hitler did not expect this to create war. He wrongly assumed that the allied powers would once again accept another land grab in fear of Germany's military might. If anyone is to blame for starting world war two it is the French who both were the most vicious pushers the land grabs of Germany and invaded Germany in the 1920s long before Germany invaded Poland in the 30s. Though perhaps most apply of all world war two was caused by the jews who controlled the allied nations specifically Russia and the united states.

>>139179202
>Every single post you write has to contain an insult, even though I have not retaliated in kind a single time.
Lmao, how about you stop crying and fist yourself? This isn't reddit.

>a) Jews are responsible for World Wars and degeneracy,
Ok now I won't bother to answer further because I never claimed this, especially not the degeneracy part. The other part I answered already anyway and I also deliberate wrote not "controlling" but influencing. I already wrote it down, read it god dammit.

>>139179184
Look at the pre-1945 map, at the region of West Prussia within POLITICAL Polish borders, was primarily ETHNICALLY German.
That ethnic make-up only changed after you murdered and exiled most Germans within your borders after the war.
The interwar map is the operative one in this case - it demonstrates how baseless and counterproductive the Treaty of Versailles was in ceding a majority German region to Poland, and cutting off East Prussia and Danzig in the process of doing so.
I can accept the ceding of Posen to Poland since its region was more predominantly ethnically Polish than Germany, but West Prussia made no fucking sense.

>>139179284

The video is six minutes in length, and you posted this response only three minutes afterward I linked it to you, so that you evidently never even bothered to watch it and consider the arguments and facts which he presents.

>>139179202
>When the British Empire, during that century, preserved peace in Europe, and was a vehicle for spreading morality across the entire world?

wew

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Made_in_Germany

>>139179516

>afterward

read: after

>>139176371
Becouse you are getting colonized by sandniggers...

dumb kraut

>>139179488

If you don't blame Jews for doing anything wrong, then why are you even finding fault with this supposed control they exerted over Britain?

>>139179454

No they didnt. All of western Europe got gibs from the marshal plan and when you substract the cost of patent theft, industry theft, war damage western Germany was still in a huge net negative.

As we see with Poland, you got 100 bn EU gibs and are still shit, so the industriousness of the people who inhabit the country is a big factor as well

>>139179497
Yes ethnically as in they were born there, on the soil their nigger ancestors stole

>>139174065
No one from the US is going to take a claim seriously if it was not enforced for 200 years. Our country is only just over 200 years old itself, and a lot changes in that much time.

200 years is enough for 5 generations to be born, grow old, and die. Do you care about what happened to your great-great-grandfather's farm?

>>139179714
To be fair to them their ancestors were pushed out of that land by Huns centuries prior to us Slavs even reaching Europe

>>139173606

Popoland begged france to invade germany since 1919, because they thought they could annex german clay up to the elbe river, while being busy murdering ethnic germans in the illegally annexed parts of the illegal versaille treaty.

>>139179601
>If you don't blame Jews for doing anything wrong
I also did not claim this... Are you unironically so retarded saying only "Jews are responsible for the world wars" OR "Jews did nothing wrong" is possible?

>>139179454
>The Allies you hate so much rebuilt it

hahahaha, yes sure, together with the turks hahaha

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trümmerfrau

>>139179272

"Look at Russia prior to WW1, they were planning for a war in 1917." I cannot make heads or tails of what you are trying to say here.

>>139173606
Pooland tortured thousands of ethnic germs
Also: clay

>>139179648
There is no reason in refusing gibs, I dont ask for them nor have I voted for them.

Asking for gibs is for niggers.

All i want is reperations and then fuck off, we're good

>>139173606
>angry Pole whining about muh germoney and muh nahzees
Every time.

Also to answer your question no it was the Soviets who promised to help scare off Britain and France by invading at the same time. Germany would have never invaded Poland without that deal and the Soviets broke it. Hell they even had the audacity to destroy and oppress your country for more than 50 years after the war ended.

>>139179846
I dont go that far back, germanic tribes back than were not human and civilized yet

>>139179989

k, you just have to pay reparations for the land you stole then

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>>139173606
Yes Poland did, they were we wuz slavs n shiet, bring it Germany. Along with the backing of Jew controlled France and the UK. Poland was directly responsible for the city of Danzig being refused to rejoin Germany

No White man should of died for a subhuman pole. Poland should just be annexed by Germany and Russia again but this time they should be destroyed and cast into the history books of a degenerative alcoholic nation

>>139179846
Also if youre slavic come back home, diasporas are worse than niggers at home

>>139180110
And you weren't human or civilized when the HRE re-established Germanic dominion over that land.
Fuck, you're still not human or civilized, so bad fucking argument.
But sure thing, you do you, keep on pulling arbitrary cut-off dates out of your ass as and when they suit you

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>>139180238

THIS

>>139180230
Those reperations are only 800 billion, that's cause we counted those lands.
If we didnt get western lans the reparations would be couple trillion

>>139179989
>All i want is reperations and then fuck off, we're good

you are part of the EU. you joined a Union.

for decades you are getting free gibs. and now western nations are overflowing with shitskins. and your refuse to take them?

you have to take your fair share. i dont care what you do with them. burn them, integrate them, kill them, cook them eat them i dont fucking care. just take your fair share.
>we dont want shitskins

i dont fucking care. you are part of this union. if you dont want them then leave the fucking EU. at the moment you are nothing but a fucking leech. even worse than greece.

you only want gibs gibs gibs and do nothing in return.
on top of that you are asking for fucking reparations. literally nigger tier. just leave the EU, stop getting gibs and be done with it.

>>139180110
By that token, the same can be said about our steppe-grazing ancestors

>>139180262
I don't speak a Slavic tongue, and my surname is starkly Istrian. I also identify more with my Yankee ancestors than my immigrant ones, since I have more in common with them

>>139180441

And yet you wont get shit. Your impudent and backstabbing behaviour is noted for the times to come though

>>139180551
Oh, the "WE" sounded like youre second generation immigrants or something

>>139173606

Just per definition they started the war.

Germany attacked them, the war was never formally declared. Germany literally raided Poland.

Then Poland declared war. Therefore ... they started World War 2.

>>139180441
Poles really are some of the most insufferable cunts the world has ever seen.
Your teaming up with the Jews and being constant dicks to the minorities within your borders (mainly Ukrainians and Germans) has consistently brought the ire of other countries down on you.
And you wonder why you country was repeatedly assfucked into non-existence?

>>139180635
It's actually cute how eternal enemies will always irrationally argue

Please trigger me more so i can save my anger for the coming wars

>>139173606
Danzig crisis

>>139173606

UK and France started it by promising you aid they did not deliver

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>>139180404
Good Englishmen and Frenchmen died for the Jews. Poland's the schoolkid who thinks he's tough shit when he's got his bigger """Friends""" around him but when they're gone he's a coward. Probably fat with a rat-tail hairdo.

1795 best year for Poland

>thread about poland in modern day
>based 99.9% huwhite nation le remove kebab
>thread about poland in ww2
>wow why didn't you all bend over and take hitler's cock literally the niggers of europe
every time

>>139180921

>thinking you argued rationally

LOL

>>139181003

kek thats so true you wouldnt believe it. Poles are the born loudmouths who get bitch slapped when daddy doesnt protect them

>>139181026

You have no idea about Poles. They are more criminal than niggers even, they lie and cheat constantly and try to defraud/steal from you at the first opportunity and they take pride in it.

>>139180712
>second generation immigrants or something
Third actually, though that doesn't matter to me. I also wouldn't have used the term "we" if my patrilineal line weren't Slavs

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>>139181026
>Survive off German EU hand me down gibs
>Survive off American and Nato efforts to stop Russia
We wuz independent. Poland stronk

N-nooooo Briton save me from Germany
N-nooooo Germany save me from Russian aggression also give me moneies I am a poor useless eastern shit Europe country

I dream of a future Mosley/Hitler tier Alliance

>>139180921
you should really take the time and watch that video I posted, >>139178257
that guy researched exactly your question over many years and wrote a book about it with many things proven you prolly don't know.

https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/11448682-1939---the-war-that-had-many-fathers

yw

>>139174065
>Fine, what is your definition of stole?
Only white people are allowed to own land
Poles are not white

>>139181026
>>139181303
this.

you dont live here you dont know shit. all you know of poland is from the internet.

they do far more crime than niggers, or even terrorist. their bodycount is far higher. they cross the border, beat/ kill eldery people for not handing out gibs, steal bikes and cars, break into stores and all that on a daily basis.

there are far less poles in germany than shitskins and turks. yet they still manage to do far more crime. but no one on pol talks about this because:

>hurr t-they look white

well guess what, they look white but they are not white. atleast they dont act like it, not in the least.

>>139181407
I'll watch it, missed your previous post

>>139173606
My experience has been that there's little point arguing with the kind of people who genuinely think Poland started WW2 and that Hitler was great. They're basically cultists. It's like trying to argue someone out of being a Scientologist.

>>139181405
this.

im so fucking sad anglos were already to much brain washed when the war started. it woulda been glorious. what a beautiful world

https://youtu.be/yhI0rBY9ikI

>>139181303

I sincerely hope that Prussianists and Nazis like you remain in the cage of obscurity for ever more, and never attain power again so as to force the civilized world (with Providence, as ever, on its side) to hurl you back in there a third time at the close of yet another bloody World War.

>>139181649

Exactly. This is because Americans go by their shallow definition of white. A (real) Italian or Spaniard I would always rather welcome than a Slav despite the Slav being paler.

>>139182065

>

t. buttblasted toilet cleaner

Dont you have work to do Wojtek Pavelowski?

Also

>poles
>civilized

AHAHAHAA

>>139173606
>danzig given to Poland
>Poland starts pogroms to ethnically cleanse the region
>Bong and France say they'll declare war if Hitler invades
>Hitler left with the choice of world war or doing nothing while Germans get slaughtered

What would you have done

>>139182171

Hitler himself, bad a man as he was, would have despised a vulgarian like you. You would have been purged along with the other degenerate brownshirts in '34.

>>139182815

The toilets don't clean temse- wait they actually do. You are fired Wojtek, go home.

No potatoes for you today - sad!

>>139182748
there were no pogroms, its propaganda so idiots on 4chan can justify it 80 years later

>>139173606
>Poland steals piece if Slovakia together with Hitler in 1938
>.....
>USSR steals piece of Poland next year
>reeee you nazi allies
How come Poland is never called nazi ally for being naughty naughty?

>>139181649
You are the whitest of whites and yet it is you who invited millions upon millions of shitshins into our continent.

>>139183988
probably because the jews target germany because they are superior

The jews left poland because poles are incapable of civilization

>>139183925
Because Poles are hypocrites.

>Oy vey my peoples are being held captive under the Czecs. Lets assemble the army and give them a warning for all police and army to leave the city or else.

Fucking Danzig Germans can't have that back. Poland STRONK. Please Briton save me I'm too weak to do it myself

>>139173606
Poland did not start WW2, WW1 started WW2. Nativism from globalist policies that sought to bring the world together and find a boogeyman in the Germans. Ethno-nationalism arose, and ethnic conflicts in the Polish lands that had German speakers arose, going as far back as early in 1939 (spare conflicts, culminating right after the invasion with many massacres). Poland didn't start it, but Germans hated them for graciously accepting the peace treaty (obviously they would). It was circumstantially anti-Slavic. Had the French accepted the land, they would hate the French, too.

>>139179184
Used to be Celtic regions, actually. You want to make a "we were first" argument, proto-Europeans take the cake, not "Slavs". In reality, what matters is who has the power, and the Germans forcing you from the land is nothing you should complain about: that's how all empires are established, so stop bitching.

>bbbut much danzig

>>139175220
What does this say?

>>139184543
Then why'd you expand into territory that was Mexican? Indigenous Amerindians occupied the land first, you unjustly took the land? You didn't even have cultural claims to it, no American speakers lived there.

In reality, nobody cares about a casus belli or moral justification (war is amoral). The US conquered the land it owns today because of their will and might, just as the Germans took back the land that was taken from them, which used to be theirs, which used to be Polish, which used to be... ad nauseam. None of it matters except who has the most power. If it's the Germans, so be it. If it's the Poles, so be it.

>>139176563
Where are the Belgians when you need em

>>139176563
Nobody's innocent and playing the moral high ground is retarded when the issue is amoral. Who cares if you conquer and exterminate a people, they should not have let themselves be conquered to begin with. Sucks to be them.

>>139173606
LISTEN TO THE ONE HOUR LECTURE ON YOUTUBE
"benjamin freedman willard hotel 1961"
then you will realise its jews who started the war. Also read Mein Kampf.

>>139178207
you full of shit.
It was jews who caused the war, similar to how you see them trying start it now. Antifa and the fags are all funded by jew actors.

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>>139178677
>he doesn't know about project Die Glocke, a supposed time travel bell that would open up wormholes

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>>139179202
>When the British Empire, during that century, preserved peace in Europe
WRONG

>>139173894
>Germany loses war
>people take land as reperations/trophies, as had been custom for literally hundreds of years
>suddenly it's bad because Germany, which only existed because it was doing the same thing that happened to it hundreds of years before lost
/pol/ logic

>>139188996
>muh stealing land meme
>jews steal palestine
>muslim countries want to build nukes and burn israel down
>USA:"OMG SOO BAD DONT DO THAT OKAY, ONLY WHITE PEOPLE CAN STEAL LAND AND GET AWAY WITH IT"

>>139182748
>>danzig given to Poland
lmao

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>>139173606
Poland simply saw what happened to Czechoslovakia. Give a begger a million dollars and the first thing he does is buy bread, but then he realizes there are other things for sale besides bread.

>>139189410
Poland blocked the attempts for it to be given more Independence and Poland had big interests in the Danzig sea port

With its external affairs largely under Polish control. Poland's rights also included free use of the harbour, a Polish post office, a Polish garrison in Westerplatte district, and customs union with Poland. This led to a considerable tension between the city and the Republic of Poland.

You didn't want Germany to have it back and yet you took Czech land under the same pretense Germany wanted it back.

Muh innocent poles dindu nothin wrong

>>139187908

INTERVIEWER: "Sir Oswald, do you now, looking back with the hindsight and knowledge of history, blame the Jews or Hitler for the Second World War?"

SIR OSWALD MOSLEY: "I blame BOTH: Hitler for driving east, before he had got a diplomatic arrangement with us; Jews, for gradually persuading us, or the British people or government, to do absurd things which were bound to result in war. I was against both mistakes."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HNhF28fzN9I

>>139189410
The Polish government made it abundantly and explicitly clear that any attempts to change the status of Danzig would be seen as an act of war. It's why Germany needed to get Poland's approval despite Danzig not even being a part of Poland at the time.

>>139190516
He TRIED to get a diplomatic arrangement with Britain. He literally wanted Britain to be arbitrator over Danzig and West Prussia to make the vote he proposed non partisan. He trusted the British enough that they would be fair. But Britain had no interest in strengthening Germany anymore no matter how fair Hitler was being.

>>139190846
>The Polish government made it abundantly and explicitly clear that any attempts to change the status of Danzig would be seen as an act of war
They were right. Gdańsk was specifically made "free city" to satisfy both polish and german interests. Just because germans wanted the whole cake doesn't mean everyone should just roll over and accomodate them. History proved it wouldn't matter anyway.

>>139191182
Free city wants to rejoin Germany

Nuh uh. Cna't do that

>>139191182
What would it have mattered? The Poles had built the port of Gdynia anyway which was purposefully built to take business away from Danzig because the Polish government rightly understood that Danzig's reliability was tenuous because of its super German majority. Additionally, Hitler clearly recognized the fears Poland had about becoming an economic puppet of Germany which is why he stipulated that no matter how the plebiscite in West Prussia goes, Gdynia would remain part of Poland and Poland would have full economic rights to Danzig as well (Similar to deal made with Lithuania over Memel) If anyone wanted the whole cake it was Poland who wanted both Gdynia AND Danzig (And other lands I might add) Poland punched above its weight, blinded by its own arrogance and the assurances of allies who were never serious to begin with and suffered the consequences.

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>>139173606
we did it and we kilked 6 million Germans in Polish death camps. Best day of my life. I also enjoy the ongoing genocide of the German people.

>>139191489
>I'm retarded and I take everything literally
>>139191504
Gdynia is meaningless to the discussion. It was in polish territory and the poles could've built anything they wanted there, whether it was a port or a dildo factory. Point is, in no way it violated the rights of Gdańsk nor the agreement in place. Moreover, it was the germans themselves who incited poles to build the port by their hostile politics in Gdańsk.
>Poland who wanted both Gdynia AND Danzig
No, Poland had Gdynia and wanted situation in Gdańsk to remain as it was. Pretty reasonable, since Gdańsk served german interests too.
>Poland punched above its weight (...) and suffered the consequences.
True, but doesn't change the fact that it was Germany that pushed for territorial expansion everywhere, and it was Germany that started the war. Your own emotional opinions don't matter and you should refrain from writing them because it makes you sound like an angry child.
Ultimately though, Germans were the ones who suffered the biggest consequences, since now they don't own any territory in the east.

>>139191716
"""""WE"""""

Try Russians and Brits/Americans. Poles are little more then a slave race and a battleground for bigger nations

>>139192457
>Gdynia is meaningless to the discussion. It was in polish territory and the poles could've built anything they wanted there, whether it was a port or a dildo factory. Point is, in no way it violated the rights of Gdańsk nor the agreement in place. Moreover, it was the germans themselves who incited poles to build the port by their hostile politics in Gdańsk.
That's exactly what I said. But I disagree that Gdynia did not factor in. Gdynia clearly fulfilled the role of Danzig but to an even greater advantage to the Poles. If the Poles recognized Danzig as such a liability anyway than it should have been a non issue to give permission for the city to practice their right to self determination as Wilson had stipulated and return to their fatherland.
>Emotional opinions
Saying Poland punched above its weight is not an 'emotional opinion' its a clear cut fact. The Polish military believed Germany to be a paper tiger and were thoroughly shocked when Hitler pushed their shit in within less than a month. They Polish government in exile while fleeing to Romania even admitted that it would have been better to just go with Hitler's very fair and more than generous offer.
>Angry child
Nice ad hom.

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>>139175547
>the biggest dinndu nuffin ITT comes from German cuck
I am not surprised. You murderous psychos didn't change a bit from XX century, you can bark like rabid dogs you are but you are morally bankrupt.

Read about Molotov–Ribbentrop pact you dumbfucks.

>>139193275
>Gdynia clearly fulfilled the role of Danzig but to an even greater advantage to the Poles
Apparently the people involved thought otherwise.
>The Polish military believed Germany to be a paper tiger
False. German power was worrying to the poles, but they hoped in case of war they could hold up until the west made it's move. They were of course wrong. But while we're at the topic of arrogance and punching above weight, I'm curious what you think about Hitler and his thousand year Reich (which didn't even last 10 years, looks like breaking treaties, backstabbing your ally and invading at several fronts is not a good move)
>Nice ad hom
Thanks.

>>139181405
>N-nooooo Germany save me from Russian aggression also give me moneies I am a poor useless eastern shit Europe country
>germany
>saving anyone
Germans and russians are eternal allies, if anything it should be "N-nooooo USA save me from Russian aggression I am a poor useless eastern shit Europe country"

Anyway Germany isn't giving poland "monies" from the kindness of their heart. They are giving money because they got business in it. Anyway poland can't decide what this money is spend on. You see? It's not at all black and white. Not to mention that european programs made Poland in debt to shit.

>>139193557
What about it?
Is only Poland allowed to make non-agression pacts with Germany?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German–Polish_Non-Aggression_Pact

Poland started WW2 by denying the German Ultimatum to hand over the Danzig Corridor which is rightful German clay.

>>139194591
It's funny how you helped germans and then they murdered millions of your compatriots in bloody war. Shouldn't have attack germany and ally with americans huh?

>>139194004
>False
Incorrect. The Poles made statements to the effect that they would be in Berlin within two weeks if it came to war. Smigly even had a painting of himself commissioned riding through the Brandenburg Gate atop the Reichsflagge. The paint was still drying when the Germans reached Warsaw.
>Breaking Treaties
If others aren't going to abide by their own treaties which they wrote themselves then I see no reason why Hitler should feel bound to them. Quite the double standard I should think. Rules for thee but not for me mentality that the British and French seemed to think they could get away with.
>Backstabbing your ally
If you mean the USSR, then they were never allies in the true sense of the word, merely partners of convenience. Neither of them trusted each other and both knew they'd be going to war with each other sooner than later. There's ample evidence to suggest that Stalin was going to strike against Germany anyway and that Hitler merely beat him to the punch. Better to be on the offensive than defensive, especially against an enemy like the USSR. I believe that covers the several fronts comment as well.

>>139173606
Polish illegal invasions of neighboring countries after ww1, initiating repeated violent border disputes involving regular army polish soldiers, and abuse/murder of ethnic minorities in former non polish areas (not just germans) particularly spurned on from the blank cheque given to them by britain and france
Germany imo was morally justified in undoing everything from versailles and st germain, including retaking their homes>>139173894

>>139194591

Yea, non aggression between germans and soviets only. It was soviet-nazi collaboration to partition Poland and some other countries. It wasn't an accident that soviets attacked Poland few days after german invasion.

>>139195154
USSR and Germany are natural geopolitical allies, if hitler had a bit of pragmatism the eastern front would never happen.

>>139174746
why 1850? I always assumed you could look at this as starting from 1871, what of significance was going on then

>>139173606
>USSR invades Poland as well
>no one cares

>>139195658
That's because they won the war and wrote history. Russians then brag how they "liberate" poland from nazis when their occupation was even worse.

>>139195183

Justin you idiot. Adolf planned invasion on (((soviet union))) long before he attacked Poland. He even asked Poland to join him. After we said no he made a deal to eliminate Polacks, but the plan of attacking soviets was still actual. Poland lost militarily but won morally.

>>139195304
Eh. Just trying to do everything differently from WW1, you know what i mean
>WW1
>ally to England and France
>after war declaration, start offensive into germany,to relieve french somewhat
> end war as a loser somehow (thanks, Lenin!) with territorial losses and international isolation
So, next time it was decided to try and not attack Germany...

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>>139173606
The War started with the partition of Czechoslovakia in 1938, in which Poland was an active player. Poland even prepared for an invasion of the USSR together with Germanyé Its later on that the greedy Polish gov. changed sides and decided to take Danzig as well.

>>139195154
>The Poles made statements to the effect that they would be in Berlin within two weeks if it came to war
Source. I already can predict that it will be this one site full of bullshit claims that I dissected here a couple of times, but whatever, bring it on.
>Smigly even had a painting of himself commissioned riding through the Brandenburg Gate atop the Reichsflagge. The paint was still drying when the Germans reached Warsaw
Lmao were there dragons in this story?
Anyway, it reminds me of Adolf playing with dioramas of "Germania" when the soviets were in Berlin fucking and killing everything that moves.
>If others aren't going to abide by their own treaties which they wrote themselves then I see no reason why Hitler should feel bound to them
Well if he did he wouldn't get fucked by Stalin.
>If you mean the USSR, then they were never allies in the true sense of the word, merely partners of convenience
Meaningless semantics. They were allied against Poland until Hitler backstabbed Stalin. That's a fact.
>There's ample evidence to suggest that Stalin was going to strike against Germany anyway
Then provide the evidence. Because from what I know Soviets didn't even have any troops in the west and weren't prepared for an attack, and that's the only thing that allowed Hitler to made it as far into Russia before he got btfo
>Better to be on the offensive than defensive, especially against an enemy like the USSR
You mean better to piss on another treaty and start another war, this time with your only ally that's worth shit? What could go wrong...

>>139195394
>Geopolitical
Perhaps if it was Imperial Germany and Russia then you'd be right. But these two nations were powerful ideologically opposed behemoths who absolutely despised each other. There was no way they were not going to fight each other. The struggle between National Socialism and Communism could only end in war.

>>139195972
Morals doesn't matter at war. Polish side lost in this war period same with german side.

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>>139195829
> Russians then brag how they "liberate" poland from nazis when their occupation was even worse

> under germans: lose 2 millions a year
> under SU-controlled polish communist goverment: steady population growth
Sorry, tadeush, next tie we will let krauts kill you all. Our mistake was thinking you like to be alive

>>139195829
why didn't UK declare war on USSR as they did to Germany?

>>139196641
Because West Ukraine and West Belarus were rightful SU clay
Yu know, 'muh Kerzon line' and stuff

>>139196234
That's why i am saying that both USSR and nazis were insane and not pragmatic at all. They could easily end up with win win situation and build their utopias or whatever the hell they dreamed of in their feverish dreams. Germans didn't wish to win the war, they couldn't, they wished only to stir as much chaos and death as possible. You can't win if you fight everyone in the whole world.

>>139196641
Because USSR invaded Poland after UK already declared war on Germany. Unlike Hitler, they were smart and figured declaring a war on yet another european power would be pretty stupid.

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>>139173606
Merkel will do it soon

>>139196364
>steady population grow in peacetime
Whoop di doo, it's funny how you didn't mention gulags and execution of polish freedom fighters. Or how you waited specifically for germans to slaughter whole population of warsaw.

>>139196789
>>139196856
I guess everybody knew Hitler would invade USSR because he wrote that in Mein Kampf, so they didn't take part on USSR invasion since that would force a USSR-Germany alliance

>>139195394
You should know what pragmatism did by looking at Ethiopia, Czechoslovakia, and then yourself.

>>139196641
Because they were actually allies of convenience. Both wanted to either uphold the status quo, or expand their, and their posy's SOI.

>>139197323
So what? You are suggesting that listen to you heart and go to war is better option? That's what germans did and they ended up in ruins.

>>139197073
>whole population of warsaw
somehow I still see this population on the internetz bitching about ebil nazis and ebil commies in 2017

>>139197581
What I'm saying is pragmatism only works when everyone is sane and reasonable. Neither Hitler nor Stalin were.

>>139196790
>Build their utopias individually
No, they absolutely could not. Communism is expansionist doctrine, its goal is to spread into every country it could gets it claws into. Stalin isn't stopping communism at the borders of the USSR, he's spreading it as far as he can using the USSR as the launch pad for revolutions elsewhere. If Hitler is going to stop Communism then he has to stop it at the source and that means destroying the USSR. And if Stalin wasn't to spread revolution then he must destroy the most powerful anti-communist bulwark on his border which is National Socialist Germany. War is the ONLY conclusion for the two diametrically opposed states.
>>139196131
>Source
https://www.wintersonnenwende.com/scriptorium/english/archives/articles/wrsynopsis.html
>Well if he did he wouldn't get fucked by Stalin.
You know as well as I do that communism's goal is to spread as far as possible. A simple treaty is not going to stop Stalin from implementing world wide communist revolution.
>Meaningless semantics. They were allied against Poland until Hitler backstabbed Stalin. That's a fact.
An agreement was reached over Poland between the two states. It was not a formal military or economic alliance. A non-aggression pact does not make an alliance. After all Germany also had a non-aggression pact with Poland but the Poles didn't seem to think any military alliance with Germany was warranted despite Hitler offering them membership to the Anti-Comintern Pact.
>Then provide the evidence. Because from what I know Soviets didn't even have any troops in the west and weren't prepared for an attack.
Victor Suvorov is good. Additionally the idea that the Soviets had small amounts of soldiers on their border is patently false. One of the reasons for the Germans high morale at the beginning of the campaign was that they believed they had dealt a crippling blow to the Red Army because they had captured literally hundreds of thousands of men.

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>>139197689
>dinndu nuffin
Germans are the niggers of europe

>>139197900
>t. literal car stealing nigger

>>139197897
Dude, soviets were not stupid. In their own doctrine: "to inject your state policy in the country of your enemy, it's the most idiotic, barbaric and inefficient to fight on a battlefield. The highest art of warfare is not to fight at all but to subvert all that is valuable in the country of your enemy and change his perception of reality that he does not perceive you as an enemy".

They did that shit through the whole cold war.

>>139197900
Now you contradict yourself. On one hand you claim the Soviets were not liberators, but at the same time Nazi killed Poles. Which is it??
May be there is a reason why you don't have too many friends as your neighbors.

>>139198109
>t. carless neckbeard living at his parents

>>139198222
>Just let the USSR continue to subvert other nations to implement communism
The USSR of 1940 was quite different to the USSR of 1960. Stalin expected the Western states to weaken themselves through war and then sweep across the continent under the guise of 'delivering Europe from fascism' while implementing communism to the English channel. He makes this quite clear in speeches to the Communist Party. This can be found in the book Icebreaker. Literally the only thing that stopped the USSR from invading the rest of Europe was nuclear weapons.

>>139198437
How i contradict myself? You only killed us. They waited for you to kill us, then went in and raped and stole anything from survivors.

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>>139198591
I'm not German.
You accused Stalin for not helping you, when the whole uprising thing was never coordinated with the USSR in the first place. Honestly, did you expect Stalin to just let a hostile pro-Anglo government to hold the ground?

Why would the USSR owe anything? If the Anglos are your best friends, ask them to save you.

The USSR did what it could, may be even more to save your grandparents ass and precious cities. While you claim territories that are not Polish: Belarus, the Ukraine, Lithuania, and have the audacity to say Russians stole anything from you, when in fact Stalin was generous enough to give you Silesia and East Prussia, again non-Polish lands.

>>139199524
No matter what your excuses are. Your liberation looked like that: Geramns were burning village, red army stopped and waited for geramns to finish, they when germans retreated red arm continue to march then proceed to steal stuff, rape and murder survivors. And then you faggots brag how you liberated shit. Disgusting.

>>139175227
We should of declared war at the end and killed them both to be honest

>>139174912
We'd be in a never ending cold war with 2 fronts and 2 super powers

>>139175682
>He should have build some mega tunnel or constructed a highway in co-operation with Poland into East Prussia, but no he had to have a land connection.
Guess what Hitler explicitly proposed to the Poles and was explicitly rejected?

>>139174912
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=17dAgPQsn9E

>>139199988
The USSR lost hundreds of thousands of men to liberate just the fucking Warsaw. It was not even worth it, because you guys seem to be unsatisfied with how fast you were liberated.

>>139201091
Oh how sweet, maybe you wouldn't lost so many people if you fought together with poles and you know, actually liberating stuff. You didn't liberate shit, you just fought for yourself in this war and no one else. You are at fault for your own loses.

>>139173606
Polish built death camps for jews because they were more antisemitic than Germans. That's why all death camps were in Poland and even the Polish home army hunted jews

>>139201091
"liberate" is a funny word to describe what the ussr did to poland

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>>139173606
>city named Kock

>>139201431
Learn your own history. The Uprising was never coordinated with the USSR, not fighting with a pro-Anglo shills =/= not fighting together with Poles.
Your attitude does prove my notion that Stalin was too nice to your grandparents. Liberating you at the cost of thousands of Soviet soldiers, giving you extra lands in Silesia and East Prussia, giving you a coast-line. Just so you can bitch about it in 2017.
If you don't like it, think Germans owe you reparations, and the USSR did not liberate shit, then give up the lands you stole from the Germans, give up the Baltic coastline.

>>139202362
No, YOU learn the history. Poland was property of USSR till 1989, they didn't give us shit, those were USSR controlled territories. Besides warsaw uprising were not some magical "pro-anglo shills", those were fucking civilians you asshole.

>>139201873
Only after you admit that "liberate" is a funny word when to describe uranium bombardment of Yugoslavia in 1999.

polish killed tons of ethnic germans in danzig. so yes, they did

>>139202563
>they didn't give us shit, those were USSR controlled territories
Well then, you should have no problem returning Silesia and East Prussia to the rightful owner, whichever you think in your fantasy world (Germany/Russia)

>warsaw uprising were not some magical "pro-anglo shills", those were fucking civilians you asshole
But they did run away to London, because they did not want to share their fate with the rest of civilian Poles. If they cared so much about civilian casualties, why not coordinate the Uprising with the USSR? You should know that the pro-Anglo shill gov. never asked the Soviets for help and never coordinated the Uprising.

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>>139203225
>But they did run away to London, because they did not want to share their fate with the rest of civilian Poles. If they cared so much about civilian casualties, why not coordinate the Uprising with the USSR? You should know that the pro-Anglo shill gov. never asked the Soviets for help and never coordinated the Uprising.
The uprising was never coordinated with any government, it was civilians initiative, they seen red army marching and they hoped that by cutting off german supply lines it would be easier for soviet to capture and liberate the city. But soviets never came.
Pic related is what you liberated, a graveyard

>Well then, you should have no problem returning Silesia and East Prussia to the rightful owner, whichever you think in your fantasy world (Germany/Russia)
We have no business in returning anything to those dogs. Only because of USA we have anything resembling sovereign state.

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>>139203596
Ouh, wow. Some ruins. It's not like it a WORLD FUCKING WAR or anything. Don't mind there are literally million strong men armies moving around a relatively small area. Wanna see some Soviet cities during the war? What are trying to say here, somehow Polish cities should be immune to destruction in a wartime?

>We have no business in returning anything to those dogs.
It not your land, and since you claim the USSR never liberated you, then you should have no problem giving it back, since you did not own it before the war.

>Only because of USA we have anything resembling sovereign state.
Which is not too much different as being a pro-Soviet satellite state, if you are going to be honest with yourself.

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>>139204321
It's not just dsome ruins, Hitler ordered to level warsaw to the ground and kill every civilian living. Never heard about wola masacre?
>It not your land, and since you claim the USSR never liberated you, then you should have no problem giving it back, since you did not own it before the war.
We own it now, before the war poland was twice as big. Germany doesn't deserve to have country at all after what they did in ww2. What would be the logic in giving them back clay?

>Which is not too much different as being a pro-Soviet satellite state, if you are going to be honest with yourself.
Not really USA influence our policy but not directly controlling it. People here at last feel like living in home, it was not so during commie days.

Slavs are subhuman and they will go back to the trashbin of history soon

>>139204736
Krauts are already in trashbin of history.

>>139174669
>prussians don't exist anymore because they assimilated to german culture so prussia obviously belongs to germans
Yeah that's not how it works

>>139173606
Poland started it by killing Germans in east Prussia

>>139204855
You undereducated slavshit nonwhite--

Eve Old Prussians were Latvian who were Germanized by the Teutonic Knights as tasked by the Pope. Riga was a German colony. So was Memel and every city east.

Your little slavshit cousins will be leaving very soon.

>>139204999
Why would poland start killing germans in eastern prussia though?

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>>139204696
>my ruins are more relevant
>never mind Battle of Stalingrad
>muh Warsaw Uprising


>People here at last feel like living in home, it was not so during commie days.
Sure, I can clearly see that from the Western European NATO states, they clearly enjoy the multi-cult and tolerance doctrine. Let's see if you still have the same pro-USA/pro-NATO rhetoric in the next 20 years, when the USA will finish off the West of Europe.

>>139205457
In stalingrad mostly died soldiers, civilians were evacuated beforehand. Warsaw wasn't battle, it was civilian slaughter.

>Sure, I can clearly see that from the Western European NATO states, they clearly enjoy the multi-cult and tolerance doctrine. Let's see if you still have the same pro-USA/pro-NATO rhetoric in the next 20 years, when the USA will finish off the West of Europe.
First of all, germany and western europe decided to be economic enemy of the USA. Serves them right. Second of all It's in interest of USA to keep eastern european countries strong because he who controls these territories controls whole europe. Third, polish nation is not so degenerate to let some suicidal shitskins in and let them bomb our cities.

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>>139205767
Just spreading some truth bombs her Muller.

>>139205109
He's confused. Germans weren't killed in East Prussia. However on the 26 (or 27th) or August 1939 a Polish cavalry unit did charge into East Prussia near Neidenburg and engaged a German artillery unit from the Konigsberg Garrison. I think 60 or so Poles were killed. I still don't know why the Poles did this though. However this was probably one of the border incidents Hitler mentioned when addressing the German nation of his reasons for invading Poland.

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>>139205846

>be Poland
>fight country that is at war with half the world and bombed to shit
>outnumber Germans
>get BTFO by Hitler Youth conscripts and old men even in 1945

TOPKEK how does it feel to be this inferior?

>>139205862
>I still don't know why the Poles did this though.
exactly

>>139173606
Poland foolishly took a slice of Czechoslovakia when it was partitioned to appease Hitler--which hurt their image in the US. But Hitler had Case White ready 10 months before the September 1939 Blitz. The rights of Germans in the corridor was simply a pretext to continue to add Germans to the Reich and expand Lebenstraum. Case White didn't even require full mobilization of the German Army Corps on the Polish Front. The Germans basically had a "running start" prior to the end of August of '39.

>>139206161

Poland mobilized months before Germany did

>having plans of attack means you are the aggressor

I bet the US military even has plans to invade the moon if necessary, that is the job of a military you utter retard

>>139206020
And in the end you ended up destroying whole europe and with sweet wall slicing your country in two. Poland mistake was to not prepare for war. We are not barbarians, we are peaceful at heart. Sad thing is that it won't go with barbarians like soviets or germans as a neighbors.

>>139206308

Poland cant into civilization. Have you ever wondered how a country like Sweden with 1/4 of your population is so much more relevant?

>>139206419
Because gas and oil resources?

>>139206064
>Exactly
Exactly what though? Why is a Polish cavalry unit charging into German East Prussia? Were they ordered to or was this a rogue officer leading his troops into some fun?
>>139206161
>Took a slice to appease Hitler
Hahaha, what? Are you suggesting that the Poles didn't want that territory (Because they did, they even went to war with Czechoslovakia in 1920 over it) and took it to 'appease Hitler'. If anything, Hitler demanded that Chamberlain recognize Polish and Hungarian claims on Czechoslovakia to appease THEM and show them Germany's goodwill for future alliances which is what Hitler offered them both (Although only Hungary took them up on that offer)

>>139206478

>polish education

kek

>>139206308
>All my neighbors are bad people.
Could it be that you did something bad to your neighbors before?

>>139206575
Enlighten me then o so educated german. Why else this cold shithole without industry and low population is rich?

>>139206508
>Exactly what though? Why is a Polish cavalry unit charging into German East Prussia? Were they ordered to or was this a rogue officer leading his troops into some fun?

There was no such thing. It's the same as Gliwitz incident, part of false flag operation Himmler
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Himmler

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>>139206614
>Could it be that you did something bad to your neighbors before?
Like what? Not existing?