National socialism economics

>>139121749
Well National Socialism is for regulated capitalism

/pol/ know you still have to work n socialism right. All it is allocating tax money for social programs.

>>139121749
National Socialism was actually "regulated" capitalism in Germany.

>>139122156
It would mean working rights more than this.

>>139122156
I swear to fucking god this is the 50th time I'm explaining it and it's always Americans

NATIONAL SOCIALISM WAS NOT THE MARXIST SOCIALISM YOU KNOW, YOU RETARDED AMERIBURGER.

THEY ADOPTED THE WORD SOCIALISM SO THEY WOULD ATTRACT COMMIES (MOST PEOPLE WERE COMMIES THEN)

It was nothing like socialism, lurk moar

>>139122414
The idea of a government owning the means of production just doesn't seem right to me.

>>139121749

Your education has informed you that socialism = state economics. this is demonstrably false. Socialism is nothing that a government does, merely the excuse for many marxist-socialists to have the state do things.

National Socialist Germany had a market economy for almost everything and a top personal tax rate of 13.7%. The only exceptions were the armaments industry and public works programs (autobahns, etc.).

>>139122414
>>139122040

Use of market economics does not equate to capitalism.

Capitalism = Market economics where the ownership of goods and services is done by private individuals in the pursuit of profits _at any cost_(any cost they can get away with). National Socialism uses market economics, but rejects the idea that the profit-seeking behaviors of Semites and other filth should take precedence over the interests of the community (capitalism) and rejects the idea that the community should have total control over the individual (Marxist-socialism).

>>139122606
"Wow this guy is trying to learn about an ideology. How should I redpill him? Oh I know I'll call him a retard, act like a nigger, then give a vague explanation. Yeah that should do the trick."

Looks like you're the retarded one

>>139122810
Okay thanks, it's a pretty hard pill to swallow to proclaim myself a national socialist. What's the religious standing for national socialism. Are catholics okay? (I'm Catholic) ps: Catholics should hate jews, the church is cucked so don't call me a semite

>>139123114

National Socialism in Germany didn't care what denomination you fell under. As you may know, Germany then (and now) has very large numbers of both protestants and Catholics (unlike places like Poland that are 99% catholic). Its aim in regards to different denominations was to unify them towards greater purpose. Extremists on both sides (who refused to work with the other Germans irregardless of their particular denomination) were removed. Your people come first.

More or less.

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>>139123114
pic related

>>139121749
It's basically just Keynesian economics. If you like FDR or Wilson (who was a proto-Keynesian) or simply modern social democratic "third way" you're gonna love it.

Why don't you guys update National Socialist ideals for the 21st century instead of relying on Hitler's outdated theories? Hitler hardly knew shit about economics anyway, they weren't his main concern and he had a weird system dependent on wartime spoils making up for deficits and IOUs. Come up with a proper working fully fleshed out ideal for today's economy that isn't predicated on war victory.

>>139123541
Is it as believable as that Churchill infographic?

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>>139121749
Before we figure out economics, stop the larping and take a look at the real problem, the demographics.

Bernie bros and neo Marxists need to know that their socioeconomic goals can only work in white countries.

>>139123670
Hitler relied on either Schacht (moderate interventionist) or Goering (supporter of war economy).

>>139122810
>Socialism is nothing that a government does

Do you say retarded things on purpose, or is just something that happens?

>>139122606
Well they still want to give full control of the entire economy to the government, who promise that they'll use it to benefit the health of the people they promised to help. So it's really one and the same

>>139123670

>Stop immigration in all areas where there is a job shortage
>Remove tax loopholes and deductions so that people can't tax dodge so easily
>incentivise those and other businesses again by lowering the overall tax rate, while still doing the former point
>invest heavily into research and development through both tax deductions and state-investment
>prepare the (what should be)future workforce by increasing physical fitness starting in schools
>Begin educating the current generation about the new system of automation
>invest in automation

More or less.

>>139122810
Go back to Ireland potato nigger!!!

>>139123833

Yeah, perhaps I should've said "Socialism is not NECESSARILY anything a government does".

>>139121749
Fascist economics believe in self motivation and meritocracy and providing basic needs, but those needs should only be provided to productive citizens and the elderly, not the lazy masses.

>>139122606
wtf I hate hitler now

>>139123886
How can it be the same if socialism and natsoc economics have ultimately different goals?

NatSoc (like every other fascist state) aimed at something higher than itself. NatSoc aimed at reviving the Aryan race.

Socialism is a pure autistic economic system with a goal of communism, the ultimate equality

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>>139121749

>>139124085
Nah, the guy was alright

>>139122606
The word "Privatization" was literally coined by economists describing Nat Soc policies. It's fairly similar to the democratic socialism practiced by the Nordic countries

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>>139121749
The left door is accurate for capitalism, change the right door for socialism to:
>From each according to his ability, to each according to his need

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>>139121749
>After all our phones, computers, and everyday luxuries are made possible through a free market system.


National Socialism has dick-shit to do with Marxian Socialism. Do not conflate the two.

In the short 14 years the world got to witness the power of National Socialism it created basically everything we know about pressurized cockpits, rocketry, and jet engines just to name a few things.

There is a reason the US made a mad-dash for German Scientists and robbed the German people billions worth in patents.

"Muh capitalist liberalism can only make things" is just liberal bullshit that is said without merit.

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>>139122810

>mfw socialism is actually social democratic capitalism

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>>139124943
> National Socialism it created basically everything we know about pressurized cockpits, rocketry, and jet engines just to name a few things.
glorious national socialist regime

>>139124129
History is a graveyard of noble movements that were corrupted by power. Most revolutions begin with beautiful, noble goals in mind but regress to corruption once people get a taste of power.

They are different only because of what they choose to write as their goals. Their methods are the same: seize the means of production for the benefit of ________.

I want to see a wealthy, happy, and thriving white race that is healthy in mind, body, and spirit. We have the same goals. I am not sure retreating to the Leviathan will achieve this.

My question to you is this: How does National Socialism prevent corruption?

>>139126157
Corruption specifically at the top of the pyramid, or corruption anywhere down the pyramid?

>>139122606
>nedicevac
not only are you namefagging so your shitty arguments from /balk/ threads can be tied to this, but you're worshiping a man who believed you're a subhuman and openly worked on your destruction. kill yourself

>>139121749
all our major scientific advances - computers, internet, cell phones, etc - all come from government pushing for tech advances at NASA and other agencies.

The massive amounts of R&D are not available under a Capitalistic system, since it's one and only driver is direct profit to the ruling/owner class at the expense of everything else.

>>139122156
No, that is social democracy.
Socialism is a shit word

>>139125996

It's Ethnic Nationalism, National Conservatism, Social Conservatism and pragmatic centrist economics that rejects capitalist obscenity and Marxist egalitarianism. You're not wrong, but saying that it's capitalistic with Social democratic themes is too broad.

>>139121749
The Nazis economic policy was complete dildos. Just look at wartime production.

>PzKpfw IV
>No. built ≈8,553 of all variants[3]

>T-34
>No. built 84,070[1]
>35,120 T-34[1]
>48,950 T-34-85

>>139122810
>profits are ebil and for da jews
Fuck off. The only reason the jews rule in my country is because of statists like you. Without control of the federal reserve and government policy they would be totally declawed.

>>139123755
Good luck convincing them of that. They think everybody is the same.

>>139124491

>someone this retarded is on /pol/

>>139124216
this is a strasser quote

>>139121749
>mfw this is the current situation
>edit to show whites on left door and nigs on right

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>>139126513
> but you're worshiping a man who believed you're a subhuman and openly worked on your destruction
substantiate your claims

Also, I'm not worshiping anybody. Serbia under Nedic regime was a good place. Hitler had good ideas for the most part. Where am i wrong?

No, you kill yourself.

>>139122606
>namefagging
No wonder you need to explain it so much. No one gives a shit about some namenigger's opinions.

>>139126668
There is literally nothing wrong with free healthcare in an all white country

Faggot

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National Socialism is impossible economically. It cannot self-sustain. The real reason Germany annexed Austria was to raid their budgets. Economists say Hitler was MONTHS from imploding Germany's economy again if he hadn't invaded Poland.
That's what banning all foreign investment, and having massive tariffs does to your economy. He either had to watch it collapse or go to war.

That's the real red pill.

>>139126668
>Without control of the federal reserve and government policy they would be totally declawed.
nigger if we have ANY state at all, jews will subvert it and use it to gain a market advantage. the nazis had the right idea. Equal rights are for betas and cucks.

>>139126790
>No wonder you need to explain it so much. No one gives a shit about some namenigger's opinions.
pls no bully ok

>>139123389
>irregardless
Not a word

>>139126668

>missing the point entirely

I didn't say there was something inherently wrong with seeking profits, it's how you know you're actually being productive in a market system. But the pursuit of profits at the expense of the community and the nation's interests is dangerous and inevitably leads to social and personal degeneration and profligacy.

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Apparently nobody in this thread has any idea about what National Socialist economics are, and no, it's not "regulated capitalism." Read the pastebin and Feder's works to get an idea about what National Socialism is intended to be.

Brief summary of Feder's work, really recommend going to the source material:
https://federsgenius.wordpress.com/
National Socialist Economics
https://pastebin.com/PPsmxdiK

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>>139123886
Why are Americans so fucking retarded? This can't be real

>>139125996
Marx never thought the capitalists would budge, and accept less money. (thus needing VIOLENT revolution) That's the whole basis of his philosophy just crushed by reality.

>>139126903
namefag

>>139126849
I doubt it. America has a way higher deficit than Germany did back then and we have not imploded. You are just saying garbage that all libertarian economists say.

>>139122713
Why would you want to pay a premium (profit) for basic services when the government can provide it for less (no profit)?

Sure, other services can be private but those such as defence, justice, some research, even electricity supply, are best left to government to run.

A well regulated capitalist society with some government run services, where it makes economic sense, is best.

>>139126849

Nobody is saying that the National Socialist economy in Germany wasn't debt ridden, but that's the result of it's geopolitical circumstances. Having to build the most powerful military you can to survive, in the shortest possible time inevitably leads to deficit spending.

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>>139121749
It really isn't much different from what North Korea has going on. Yes the government can organize people to build big, impressive shit, and take pretty pictures. It doesn't make what you see an accurate reflection of the quality of life.

Oh but wait, wouldn't you want to live in a nationalist paradise like this?

>>139126932
Who determines what is "good capitalism" and what is "evil kikery"

What prevents companies from levying the government to just ban their competition? Seems like its would be rife with corruption (which nazi germany was)

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>>139127021
Why not just give everyone a quick rundown. You really think 20 people are going to read that shit?

>>139127315
>Who determines what is "good capitalism" and what is "evil kikery"
a benevolent dictator. like uncle adolf.

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>>139127452
Communism isn't always last.

>>139127269
>It really isn't much different from what North Korea has going on.

Nonsense unsupported by the facts. National Socialist Germany had a market economy with a top personal tax rate of 13.7%, with consumer goods and services being almost entirely provided by private commerce. NK is an entirely Marxist-derived state-owned economy with almost no private industry. Difference is night and day faggot.

>>139126271
Well...both. Corruption at the top of the pyramid is bad. But as time goes on, leadership roles need to have a succession plan. Even if you can ensure morally and intellectually noble revolutionaries, how can you ensure a secession plan that maintains that kind of purity?

Primogeniture is one way, but that's Monarchy instead of National Socialism. It has its own problems.

>>139121749
No one made a serious study of NS economic system.

Capitalism by the way is not a problem, but lately it evolved into ultra-capitalism, which is globalism.
And this is shit, totally.

>>139127414
Adolf ran the war effort into the ground. Also, what happens when your perfect dictator dies? Will the next one be so kind, what will keep absolute power from corrupting his heart?

>>139126783
>Also, I'm not worshiping anybody. Serbia under Nedic regime was a good place.
yeah, amazing, random ressistance movements fighting eachother and the occupational forces, majority of the people hating the government, students getting shot so krauts can prove their point. fucking amazing.
> Hitler had good ideas for the most part.
no, he didn't.
>substantiate your claims
Mein Kampf Volume II Chapter 2-"The State"
start from "During the last century..."
Mein Kampf Volume II Chapter 14:
"Here Fate itself seems desirous of giving us a sign. By handing Russia to Bolshevism, it robbed the Russian nation of that intelligentsia which previously brought about and guaranteed its existence as a state. For the organization of a Russian state formation was not the result of the political abilities of the Slavs in Russia, but only a wonderful example of the state-forming efficacity of the German element in an inferior race. "
even if we take lebensraum and generalplan ost as lies and ignore everything he's been doing, this should still be more than enough.

>>139121749
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TjKy2XpXXt8

>>139126808
There's no such thing as "free" healthcare. Given that systems like social security require numerous taxpayers for every pensioner, it means they require infinite growth (which is impossible, obviously).

Also welfare of any kind is plunder, and subsidizes the least productive individuals in the economy. What fucking planet do you live on where whites are immune from becoming welfare queens?

>>139127315

>Who determines what is "good capitalism" and what is "evil kikery"
First of all "good capitalism" and "evil kikery" are the same thing.

But I know what your question actually is, and the answer is: an educated and invest community interest.

>What prevents companies from levying the government to just ban their competition? Seems like its would be rife with corruption (which nazi germany was)

There is no such thing as a corruption-free economic system. Assuming you weren't a jew and didn't step on the toes of the party on economic political issues (which the party was mostly pragmatic on), you were left alone.

Let me ask you; what prevents companies from using governmental power to intimidate their competition in a Libertarian system?

First and foremost Jewish merchants shall be banned. Also, social security shall be a racially segregated system so that up standing whites no longer pay the way for blacks who barely work.

>>139127642
Oh so they LIKED capitalism then?

>>139127673
if he sucks the empire collapses and will have to be reborn. it is a noble cycle, unlike the slow cancerous death we are experiencing with untrammeled capitalism.

>>139127667
>ultra-capitalism
You mean the coercive power of the state used to protect the ultra rich from competition?

>>139128088
>Let me ask you; what prevents companies from using governmental power to intimidate their competition in a Libertarian system?
The government shouldn't have such power. The power of the state is always a weapon to wield.

We want to turn it from an AK-47 into an olive fork.

>>139128175

Capitalism utilizes market economics, not all market economic systems are Capitalist in nature. You need to avoid the ideologue's "teachings" on this issue.

>>139127323
I would literally just copy and paste from those links, anyone sufficiently motivated will look at them. I'm not here to spoonfeed.

>>139121749
Phones and computers were created by the pentagon. So socialism

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>>139122606
It's basically the same thing as Nordic model socialism, which is normally what people in America refer to as socialism.

>>139122810
>_at any cost_
yeah you think you can just sneak this in to make capitalism sound evil but it's bullshit.

>>139128268
>The government shouldn't have such power. The power of the state is always a weapon to wield.
>We want to turn it from an AK-47 into an olive fork.

Either the government has the power to enforce itself or it isn't a government in function. If it isn't a government in function, then it isn't a government.

It seems you avoided my question.

>>139128230
The slow cancerous death is the product of the state enforcing the power of fundamentally sick institutions.

Just look at 2008, where the companies that helped create this mess were given massive bailouts with money stolen from the people.

In a free market the punishment for them fucking everything up is bankruptcy, which is what WOULD have happened without the state intervening.

Or look at colleges, where the government subsidizes humanity departments which actively profess the destruction of the white race.

>>139124491
>lol you dumb pig. Of course we'll be forcing people into the left door at gun point XD wut u think we doin lmao

>>139123114
Hitler was a catholic, but in any case I'd avoid calling yourself a National Socialist. The word is forever tainted, and Hitler warned of using unpopular phrasing and symbols in Mein Kampf.

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>>139127667
>Capitalism by the way is not a problem, but lately it evolved into ultra-capitalism, which is globalism.

Isn't that the obvious outcome and the point of National Socialism though, to not put the individual above the rest of the nation because he will just end up selling out his country for more profit?

How do you think we got to this point anyway? It's all just mass brainwashing with virtues being turned into sins and vice versa. Caring about your own country more then selling out for a personal profit used to be considered noble, now it's considered 'racist' because we're all children of Gaia man, borders are just like, imaginary lines in the sand like you know?

>>139128089
You know there's many white trash pieces of shit who don't work, right?

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>>139128686
Good point anon, that's how capitalism works. If you don't work, the proverbial gun of starvation and homeless is pointed at your head

>>139128623
>It seems you avoided my question.
How so? What is so unbelievable about a state not having the power to strongarm private individuals over what they do with their own money? In my country it wasn't until the 30's that the government had such power, time was that property rights were as sacred as the right to free speech, or bearing arms.

The government doesn't need to have absolute control over the people it governs to function. In fact the enlightenment's crowning achievement was that of limited government. Something we in the West seem to forget.

>>139128607

>to make capitalism sound evil

If there isn't a profit in pursuing a particular action, either directly or indirectly, a company or individual in a capitalist system has no incentive to actually commit said action. That doesn't make the system inherently evil, that's like saying nature is evil because thousands of animals suffer agonizing deaths every day. It's not a sentient entity in it's own right. It does however provide individuals the inventive to be evil, which is what happens every day.

>sneak this in

I specifically use the "_ _" to highlight it, sneaking it in was the opposite of my intent.

Are you shitposting or just thick?

>>139127021
How about you read the wages of destruction the making and the breaking of the nazi economy.

How would NATSOC treat intellectual property?
It is absolutely choking every industry to death, even more so than any environmental protection claim. Manufacturing, pharmaceuticals, computing, it all dies in the court room because of industry capture by people with no interest to even put it into production, just to siphon off others that can.

The main point is NatSoc is BURNING OF THE JEWS, so, naturally, that means creating your own currency that actually belongs to your people.

>>139128663
yea but what else are these companies going to do? it is their nature to become as powerful as possible and that means using the government or making the government into a useful tool. it is more realistic to expect 1 man to be pure remain pure than to expect mercantile enterprises to do the same.

free market capitalism inevitably leads to statism because its the economically smart thing to do. unless you have unbreakable rules enforced by a STATE because companies aren't going to follow the rules just because it fulfills your libertarian wet dream

>>139128890
Except my desire to have what you can't get is stronger than your desire to sit on your couch and wish for a future with UBI.

The only thing we agree on is that some kind of UBI would have to happen once ALL jobs are automated. But that doens't mean we abolish property rights, faggot.

>>139128890
>Everybody's Chill
Your body temperature gets colder and colder until you die when you starve so yeah.

>>139123968
I like it.

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>>139128663
How do we stop that?

>>139129256
cont.

We've evolved around competing for resources to attract mates (that's literally ALL we have been doing). We will not change our million-year programming in the span of 100 years of culture.

The ONLY way "full communism" works is if you first abolish scarcity. The end. Don't bitch about property rights, don't bitch about corporations, work to abolish scarcity, and if you accomplish that then I'll join your side.

>>139121749
Well im Balli Kombëtar so i think NS is ok

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>>139122606
i hope you realize socialism is older than marxism

>>139129207
The state can only balloon with the people's permission, which is where America fundamentally failed. The real issue is universal suffrage, where the people will be bribed with money from the public coffers to expand the government. Which is exactly what's going on.

Why do you think the elites are in favor of the welfare state? It gives them massive leverage over the democratic process.

>>139129448
Well the obvious solution is the vehemently restrict the powers of the state, so private companies will have to stand on their own two feet instead of propping themselves up with stolen wealth.

If the state no longer funds
>degenerate art
>anti-western academics
>single parents
>3rd world immigrants
>racial integration
unsurprisingly they disappear.

Haven't you ever wondered why these things only took root in the West after the massive expansion of state power and funding in the 20th century?

>>139128967

Either that didn't answer my question again, or I'm missing the point somewhere. Probably the latter.

When you said earlier
>The government shouldn't have such power.
The answer is: yes, it shouldn't have such power. In an ideal world. But this is not an ideal world. Nobody in their right mind believes that the state is a good thing, really. It merely exists as an entity that has the monopoly on violence so it can ensure that something worse cannot get into a position of having a monopoly on violence, which is what will inevitably happen if there isn't a government.

And the reality of a government is that even if it shouldn't technically or legally have the power to strongarm individuals in legal means, that doesn't mean that it can't. If you remove the state from economic affairs entirely, then corruption will occur by having individuals bribing governmental officials and entities to strongarm competition by fabricating criminality.

The question in the beginning for me was effectively a rhetorical one.

It's just another exemple of r vs K selection. They can't compete so they try to change the nature of the system to get rid of competition. It's really that simple.

>>139129774
>Why do you think the elites are in favor of the welfare state? It gives them massive leverage over the democratic process.
i agree entirely. hence why we need uncle adolf back. free-market capitalism only works in a nation exclusively populated with Aryan super-men

>>139128825
Not as many. Africa is proof that poverty and failure is sewn into the negro's genes

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>>139122606
>>139122810
>NatCucks weren't economic Socialist.
When will this meme end?

>>139123541
>catholic
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>>139130189

>centrally planned economy

Nope, no more so than any other so-called capitalist country.

>state controlled capital

Every country has state controlled capital.

>high trade tarrifs

That has nothing to do with socialism.

>expensive welfare programs

They had welfare programs, but by any real sense they weren't "expensive". And the implication is that I get from this is that welfare is inherently negate.

So basically you get like half a point out of 4, but by all means post some shit memes.

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>>139129877
>>139130056
The governments of the West were exceedingly libertarian though the 19th century. It's not impossible in the slightest.

My fascist friends if you want to stop social degeneracy the answer isn't to gas the kikes and kill the niggers, that's impossible. The solution is to restrict the government and free the economy.

The only reason Europe is being invaded is because the governments will give 3rd world animals free shit. If they actually had to assimilate and compete with natives for work, the number of immigrants would be minuscule.

Furthermore voting should be restricted to a citizen class. People that are net taxpayers would be a good start. If the only people that influence the government are upstanding citizens then the government will be upstanding.

That's the foundation of republicanism. In the US the term 'democracy' wasn't thrown around until the 1900's. In fact the founding fathers were incredibly suspicious of universal suffrage, saying that it would lead to mob rule.

Which is exactly what we've got.

the only reason that national socialism was perceived to work at all was due to its incredibly short lifespan.
socialism has two traits, it works at first then cripples your country forever.
If national socialism was allowed to live on for longer than it did then it would of most likely suffered the same fate as any other socialism.

>>139121749
In a natsoc society, the welfare system is totally different from socdem welfare system. In short everyone in a society shall help out to their best ability. If you're a woman to obtain welfare you have to have children within a relationship. If you're a young man without work, you will obtain welfare but the state can pick you up whenever they need you for you to do backbreaking work related to infrastructure or they can force you in to the military.

This creates a huge incentive for child rearing and to find/create work in the private market.

>>139130689
Strange how the Scandinavian countries have had socdem since the 30's and not yet collapsed

>>139130684

Yes, I am also anti-democracy.

>The governments of the West were exceedingly libertarian though the 19th century. It's not impossible in the slightest.
>Furthermore voting should be restricted to a citizen class. People that are net taxpayers would be a good start. If the only people that influence the government are upstanding citizens then the government will be upstanding.

That means that those with power have to hold sufficient force over those without. This is where Marxism emerged as a relevant ideology: by the powerless being trod on. Either you give the downtrodden some measure of power or you pacify them through economic means. If you don't: revolutions, rolling strikes, terrorism and declining economic activity. Which is exactly why that libertarian approach was abandoned slowly.

>The only reason Europe is being invaded is because the governments will give 3rd world animals free shit.

They're being invaded because the governments do nothing because their corporate masters tell them to do nothing. Greater number of employees to choose from, lower the average wages. Basic economics.

>If they actually had to assimilate and compete with natives for work, the number of immigrants would be minuscule.

No, the opposite would be the case, as highlighted previously.

>>139128890
Enjoy waiting in line for your daily bread ration.

>>139129051
IP rights and copyright law still applied in Nazi Germany.

>>139123755
True. As europe is now discovering, if you hand out free stuff to third world scum. The country will eventually go broke. In the UK almost all new arrivals from Islamic nations claim welfare benefits and those that do work have jobs in the bottom tier, so they still get welfare. Muslims from third world are a huge drain. You can import perfectly functioning (willing to work) muslims from countries like India, Indonesia or Malaysia - why do you want north fucking africans?

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>>139130570
>Nope, no more so than any other so-called capitalist country.
Yes, you had to suck the state's dick or you didn't receive capital investments. Also if your business didn't profit enough it got dissolved by the state effectively killing all competition only allowing companies who were colluding with the state to stay private.

>Every country has state controlled capital.
Capital in most "free market" economies is loaned from private investors (usually banks) not the state.

>That has nothing to do with socialism.
State interference of voluntary trade has everything to do with Socialism.

>They had welfare programs, but by any real sense they weren't "expensive".
$40 Billion Riechsmarks.

>And the implication is that I get from this is that welfare is inherently negate.
It is when you don't properly tax to pay for it.

>So basically you get like half a point out of 4, but by all means post some shit memes.
You clearly don't know how the ideology that you are shilling for works and why it failed in under 12 years. Please continue to make the same mistakes so I have something to laugh at.

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>>139131340
>his is where Marxism emerged as a relevant ideology: by the powerless being trod on. Either you give the downtrodden some measure of power or you pacify them through economic means. If you don't: revolutions, rolling strikes, terrorism and declining economic activity. Which is exactly why that libertarian approach was abandoned slowly.
No.

The Marxism only took root in backwards countries like Russia, failed states like China, or Banana republics like Cuba. The great marxists thinkers of the turn of the century constantly espoused that the revolution was coming to the US, Germany, England, etc but it never came to pass.

>They're being invaded because the governments do nothing because their corporate masters tell them to do nothing. Greater number of employees to choose from, lower the average wages. Basic economics.

Also false.
>http://www.reuters.com/article/us-europe-migrants-germany-survey-idUSKBN13A22F

In Europe a fraction of these 'refugees' have found work, and a huge portions of those that have work government jobs which were given to them because of affirmative action.

And in the United States corporation want open borders because they can pay the illegals fuck all, and the government will take care of feeding them. They are making us subsidize their slaves.

If they actually had to pay the enough to support themselves without welfare, why would they hire Pablo who doesn't speak english over Tyler or Tyrone who does?

>>139132118

I'm not saying it shouldn't exist, but it should have a 20 year hard limit at least. One of the reasons they computing market only really has 2 choices because of standardization, is because of these laws. In an anti-trust suit how is 2 really better than 1 when the main augment for any other field is competition doesn't matter because they well collude with each other and fuck you anyway?

There needs to be a massive push to get these things in industry that are being locked away in perpetuity into the commons. Many of these things came from there in the first place.

>>139132492
Yes while libertarian ideology is completely based, it's not like America is run by the kike while your veterans beg on the streets, kys

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>>139133786

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WHITE NATIONALISM IS NOT NATIONAL SOCIALISM.

>>139133985
I think it's pretty clear that National Socialism as an ideology never died. However there are powerful vested interests trying to make it so. No other ideology receives this level of attention. It should really tell you something about its power that there are people so wholly dedicated to ensuring that National Socialism never surfaces again despite more destructive ideologies such as communism being pushed as mainstream.

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>>139127021
I read it.
It doesnt very detailed as usual.
From what I can gather is that NatSoc economics is a partially controlled economy that makes sure that private and public enterprise is doing for the people and nation.
It sounds like a government with people who want to force economic prosperity along with the quality of life going up.
Seems like a pipedream.

>>139128268
It's more than that, it's when a singular person has an amount of money so big that it starts bending the market to his own wills.

Consider money like mass, when you have too much mass you start altering phisical laws.

After 2008 crisys for example, there are a bunch of people that gained capitals greater than tobacco or oil companies.

When you has such amount of money, also lobby system doesn't work in a healty way, you start owning universities, elect your own politics, and so on.

But it's not enough, with ultra-capitalism also American market is not enough, so the necessity to expand globally.
You can suppose: "ok you can already buy all that you want in the world, so what's the problem?"

The problem is the different rules present in other countries, different politics, different culture.
The globalist intent is to unify all of them in a global system with same laws, and infact if you look at TTIP and similars there's a try in that direction.

If you think that ultra-capitalism is right, you are wrong, that system is the end of the "american dream".

>>139122713
They didnt own it you tard

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>>139134611
Seems like a pipedream except it happened and worked exactly as intended.

>>139134611
Without international jewery what exactly will stop the country?

>>139127667
There have been multiple serious works on the topic, look for "Wages of Destruction" by Adam Tooze, "Germany and the Second World War" volumes I, V/I and V/II by the Militärgeschichtliches Forschungsamt, and "War and Economy in the Third Reich" by Richard Overy.

>>139121749
National socialism only works in a virtuous society where people understand duty, and then it is the best possible system. It could never work in the USA because Americans are subhuman degenerate scum.

>>139134940
But it was so short. Wouldnt you say war time is what made them prosper so much?

>>139121749
>After all our phones, computers, and everyday luxuries are made possible through a free market system.


bullshit the first computers where made by the state and there cash the same with phones and even fucking tor and onion web where developed by the us state.

>>139135261
Those works aren't serious, dumbass.

>>139135621
When exactly will the war economy meme die?

>>139135008
I wish pajeet, I really do

>>139135008
Jews, Jews, you motherfuckers sound like a goddamn tree full of parrots. STFU.

>>139134715
The Ultra rich gained such massive wealth through the coercive power of government, and the monopolies created by central banks. All of finance is so deeply in bed with the Federal reserve and similar entities that it's nothing even close to a free market.

Expanding the government to protect your corporation from competition is not free enterprise.

Using the government to bully smaller nation to accept your trade laws under threat of massive tariffs and embargoes is not free enterprise.

>but you're just saying "not real communism" but with capitalism

The difference here is that real capitalism and limited government have been tried numerous times with resounding success. The United States managed to industrialize and entire continent without any central planning, fiat currency, government run central banks, etc.

Communism however has been a spectacular failure every single time it's been tried.

>>139135660
you wouldn't consider a work written by multiple scholars from the military history office of the german armed forces drawing on unlimited archival material serious?

>>139135752
Pointing out people surnames isn't wrong, but by your flag I can already you retarded

>>139135900
Absolutely free market might be the most efficient system of all, except it doesn't take politics into account. Say the United States produce dildos. Then the market figures out that producing dildos in Mexico and importing them to the US is much cheaper. Years go by, the US is in a war with Mexico for whatever reason, and the shipments of dildos stop. The Americans no longer have dildos and setting up new factories in America will take years. Meanwhile sexually unsatisfied Americans will be dying fighting alpha spics who continue to practice anal sex with their dildos.
Protectionism is necessary to ensure the security and independence of a state m8.

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>>139134562
>I think it's pretty clear that National Socialism as an ideology never died.
You don't see any National Socialist running for office. It died with Hitler.

>However there are powerful vested interests trying to make it so.

>People achieve success and a better life in the current system.
>People don't want a system that doesn't work and will oppress them coming back and ruining what they have.
Really makes you think.

>No other ideology receives this level of attention.
Communism receives more attention.

>It should really tell you something about its power that there are people so wholly dedicated to ensuring that National Socialism never surfaces again despite more destructive ideologies such as communism being pushed as mainstream.
The reason why Communism is pushed more in the mainstream is because it was way more successful and presented itself as an alternative to capitalism. Communism also plays off of the idea that everyone should have the same outcome so people who aren't successful in the current system sympathize with it more because it plays into their victim complex. Communism is also more palatable to a wider audience because it's more inclusive unless you have a different political ideology or are wealthy. In all seriousness both Communism and National Socialism are cancer and neither should be tried again.

>>139121749
Because Socialism didn't had free stuff and no welfare. kys.

>>139135261
Thank you, that were only my simple considerations, i will check that works!

>>139135900
There are different ways to earn massive wealth, when you alredy own a great wealth of course.
You have first to understand how money works, how money worked through history, and what it really is.
For ultra-capitalism is very important that the money is liquid, so the best instrument is finance, better when it is the more volatile one.

I suggest you to see "an inside job", very interesting doc about what happened in 2008.
2008 is a crucial moment, in 2008 weights in power changed a little bit.

I don't know how the perfect system is, but for sure there has to be a powerful government that can impose good rules to follow, to protect ABOVE ALL the market, because market is the most important thing in a good capitalist system.

And with "the market" i don't mean "the subjects that can blackmail nations through finance", obviously.

>>139121749
The price of our free market system is total Jewish domination. Jews rely upon capitalism because it puts the shekel before all else.

>>139122713
Socialism is where we don't allow stupid Yankee Zion Americans to own anything. That's a simple explanation. This is why Yankee cries and opens up every day these threads, trying to convince the world to sell stuff to him.

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>>139121749

National Socialism is still socialism, no matter how many subversive closeted leftie scum on this site tell you. The economy is completely controlled by the state, in Natsoc terms, you and your property are a means to an end for the state. The Nazi state had price and wage controls, back then they were still in an economic crisis too, so that's why they were implemented, this led to a slippery slope of more control over the individual. I'm not a libertarian, I fucking hate those guys, leftist scum, same goes for Nazis. Why do you guys even idolize those occultists when you've got the successful regimes of Franco and Salazar, why do you go the contrarian route of Mussolini and Hitler?

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>>139136543
You can be protectionist while having an internally free market. Again, see the United States c1776-1933

>>139137714
Successful regime of Franco? This is new.

Economy under Mussolini was very solid, until he decided to go into war without being prepared.

>>139137714
Read laws, here's a quick explanation what Socialism is:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_property_law
>Foreign investors are not allowed to buy land in China.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nationality_law_of_the_People%27s_Republic_of_China#Naturalization
>Is a near relative of Chinese nationals

Socialism = land and ownership only for native race. That is basics, everything else is just semantics.

>>139127179
Because the government wildly inefficient. Why don't we just give all food production over to the state? It's a bare necessity, even moreso than healthcare.

HINT
>Ukraine in the 30's

>>139138238
There's a lot of different forms of socialism.

In europe until 1980 (i think) there was the form of social democracy, democratic states in which government owns the basic services and runs some state companies.

Free market over there, but with limits.

>>139122606
To be fair the term socialism is not consistent.
>Workers control the means of production
>Highly Regulated economy with social services paid through government

And the economy of the National Socialist Germany has more in common with Nordic Socialism then either free market capitalism or eastern "socialism".
From an economic stand point the Nazi's spend money on re armament and not on people not working. While nordic socialism spends a great deal on people not working but little on defense. But each economy was highly regulated although still privately owned.

>>139138260
Why don't we just give all property to 1 billionaire?
= capitalism
It does not matter if you give it all to 1 king, 1 president or 1 billionaire. What matters is how money circulates, either inside your country or out of your country.

>>139138508
The basic form of every Socialism is land and ownership only for native race. There wasn't any Socialism that didn't had that.

>>139121749
There were both private property and business owners, including large factories, in Nazi Germany.
National socialism is meant to unite the people, not their property.

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>>139138238
>Socialism = land and ownership only for native race.
If you only go by this definition then the Soviet Union wasn't Socialist.

>>139138716
Explain, how it wasn't?

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>>139121749
Ill just leave this here

>>139138535
I don't even know what you're trying to say.
>>139138607
The Soviet Union started with jews running lynch mobs against the ethnic russian 'Kulaks'. Then after Stalin it was Russians in Moscow enslaving other ethnicities of the East.

>>139138607
It's not necessary to go back in 1800, there are good alternatives.
It's also a fact that Soviet Union was'nt an efficient way, in the last times 50% of population in russia worked into bureaucracy, that's not a good sign.

At the moment also capitalism is showing his limits, and it's evolving in a horrible way, i think.

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>>139121749
>Why is national socialism better than regulated capitalism.
NatSoc was so unsuccesful the Nazis had to forge money and launder it through the Bank of International Settlement. It worked for that initial burst of order and activity, and then like all central planning, it fucked up. You need to run it for three years at the start and then immediately relax it back to capitalism. It's still Socialism even if it's very light socialism, reality doesn't conform to the charts.

>>139138879
That bullshit again. Jews were imported during Tsar times, all synagogues were build by Tsars, every foreigner race imported by Tsars. Soviets didn't import people and give them citizenship or ownership like in capitalism. Lenin simply used Jews due to their connections to royal family, so they could loot them and use that money for army, since the Empire was broke, after that Jews gone out of Soviet Union to Germany, USA..etc. Other ethnic groups Stalin sorted into multiculturalism based on specific country and each country had own specific laws.

>>139122156
No, you are thinking of capitalism with social programs, socialist countries are not just capitalist with more social programs, they are actually socialist. And the only way that you can make people work in a society where you get the same stuff by not working is if you force them.

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>>139139013
Everything before Socialism was pure exploitation and misery, dumbtard land like Afghanistan, only few lived in castles.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kingdom_of_Yugoslavia
>Less than 10% of Slovenes were illiterate
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Education_in_the_Soviet_Union
>In Imperial Russia, according to the 1897 Population Census, literate people made up 28.4 percent of the population. Literacy levels of women were a mere 13%.

>>139139208
The revolution was fomented by Jews. Lenin was a Jew, Trotsky was a Jew, estimates are that 85% of the first Soviet government were Jews.

>>139139477
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antisemitism_in_the_Soviet_Union
>Jews and city dwellers on the Ukraine must be taken by hedgehog-skin gauntlets,[19] sent to fight on front lines and should never be allowed on any administrative positions (except a negligible percentage, in exceptional cases, and under [our] class control)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Jews_in_Russia
>In August 1919 Jewish properties, including synagogues, were seized and many Jewish communities were dissolved.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_the_Soviet_Union
>In 1919 the Soviet authorities abolished Jewish community councils, which were traditionally responsible for maintaining synagogues.

Not at all, Jews didn't had any control. Jews were only working for themselves and their future habitats. You really think such pro-Jewish government would demolish Jewish communities and put in place Stalin? Don't be retarded. Your government in USA is run by Jews and you won't ever have an even slightly anti-Jewish president.

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>>139139794
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-pDtgWUtdUM
Just because they were atheists doesn't mean they weren't jews.

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>>139138777
Nice trips. The Soviet Unions idea of Socialism was based on Marxism where the state would seize private property for the collective. By your definition this would mean that the Soviet Union wasn't Socialist.

>>139140119
Does Putin not work for Jews, does Trump not work for Jews, does Rebel media not work for Jews? Now tell me again who sponsors your anti-Jewish Nazis? You know the difference between ownership/control and words? Jews on /pol/ post a lot of anti-Jewish memes, but all they want is for you to vote for republicans, then on black and gay forums they post anti-Nazi memes, so they also vote for republicans. But who owns your ass? Who passes pro-Israel law, lets think about it. Who passes pro-migrant laws if not republicans. It's funny how your Christian morons don't see the obvious that you send money to Israel and are run by Jew Jesus religion from Jerusalem. Here you are talking about how Communists are Jewish when not a single Communist leader had any photos with Jews, while your Putin is constantly in photos with Jews. And who is Russian mafia and oligarchy? All highly Christian folk that has apartments in Israel.

>>139139461
I'm not saying that was'nt good for you, but in the long run it failed.
So, it's good to protect the state from foreigners interest, but it's also good to have a good system with internal competitors and market.

>>139140602
Socialism can trade products, doesn't China trades products? The difference is that free market trades more than just products, they trade your land and your people too, they sell your country and race, everything.

>>139140531
Wait a sec. So you're telling me that Socialism is all about self determination when the first three dictators of the archetypal socialist nation were
>German/Jew
>Jew
>Georgian

Who all ruled by fear and slaughtered millions of ethnic russians.

>>139140833
Lenin was an atheist, not a Jew. Marx was an atheist, not a Jew. Judaism is a religion, not a race. Jews never were a race, only after WW2 they became a race because USA wanted it so. Now you call Bobby Fisher a Jew because his mommy prayed in synagogue, what a bunch of pro-Zion for cause of Israel nonsense.

>>139141161
>Judaism is a religion, not a race
Wrong.
Ashkenazi (Jew) is most definitely and ethnicity.

>>139140787
Infact socialism in china evolved in a different form, learning from USSR failures i suppose.

In china there's private property, for example.

>>139141288
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashkenazi_Jews
>Sometime in the early medieval period, the Jews of central and eastern Europe came to be called by this term

It's literally a made up term.

>>139141337
Because centrally planning the economy is a fucking joke.

>>139126903
kill yourself namefag

>>139141337
Private property implies that anybody can buy it, even a Sheik like in case of London.

>>139127179
If you consider profit and tax to be essentially two sides of a coin: fee for service. Then you can see why any productive person would rather pay profits over taxes, as one allows for free association while the other does not.

>>139141422
By this logic all ethnicities are a made up term. The Ashkenazi Jews have a common heritage, culture, tradition, history, etc. Clearly they are an ethnicity. What the fuck are you on?

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>>139141575
Oh really tell me common Haplogroup between Jews.
>picture related Ashkenazi Jew
Now you really believe Jeff Goldblum has same Genes as a blonde Jew? Are you really that blind? Jews after WW2 are more political term than religious term, a term used by banks to control money though Vatican and Christian religion and have their protected by god land in Israel where they can wash money.

>>139141430
Centrally planning ALL the economy is a joke, but i think it's possible in some areas.

Also in capitalist system there's a form of central planning.
Obama the nigger, for example, signed the Paris Agreement because he (or (((they)))) planned to develop the american economy in a certain direction.

>>139129448
The only way to fix it would to build structures attached to the tower to support it. While the towers height increases so do the supporting structures

>>139127089
why are nuflags so fucking retarded?
This can't be real
>inb4 leaf
show us your flag then nigger

>>139126668
>HURR DUUR ONLY 8,553 tanks
They actually built 25,000 tanks at the end of the day, plus the various other armerments that were constructed. The soviets had a need for more tanks as well as a larger population and a material base. The German tanks were also much higher quality and managed to outperform and outshout allied tanks throughout the war.

>comparing the output of a medium sized nation to a superpower.

KYS

>>139141575
really
what haplogroup (or combination/permutation) is exclusive to ashke-nazi jews

>>139141161
Jews like to pretend they are both when its suits there purpose. And neither when it doesnt suit thier purpose.

"Their athesists, not jews..."
but then people like Sarah Silverman are allowed to call themselves jews. When was the last time we saw jews disavow their atheist cousins?

The fact is jews are neither a religion or a race. They have less in common with ancient inhabitants of the land of Canaan then I do, and follow less of the tenets of the old testaments then your average nigger.

There a pack of rabid anti-christian anti-white degenerates who identify themselves as a minority to use it as a shield to deflect criticism of their hypocrisy/lies/theft and general criminal/degenerate behaviour.

>>139121749
>computers

Nazi

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Z3_(computer)

>everyday luxuries

>jet
>microwave
>rocket
>modern assault rifles
>helicopters
>5 day work week
>adidas
>puma
>IBM
>volkswagen
>hugo boss
>bayer
>siemens


Nazi's invented the modern world

>>139121749
I believe in facilitating people who would like to better themselves. Would be ok with socialism in the form of help with education. Also sick and disabled people cannot afford health insurance. Would be ok with that.

And in exchange for voluntary sterilization, would even be ok with gibs for nigs.

You guys are so fucking clueless. Third Rich was basically regulation for everything. Many companies were state-owned, belonged to a cartell influenced by the state or had some other form of affiliation with the state. Central bank wasn't independent and fiscal politics was based on expropriation in order to finance war infrastructure. Nothing of which would be considered efficient, freedom-promoting, desireable. Economically, it was a leftist agenda designed to control the entire system. And it failed as well (not only because of bombings). Everyone fucking knows that.

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>>139145726
>And it failed as well (not only because of bombings)

>Everyone fucking knows that.

Only krauts with denazified texts think this is undisputed

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>>139146209
Your graph only proves your 'Murican non-education about inefficient countries with inflated GDP growth figures

>>139121749
National socialism was a facist system. The proper use of fascism is to rapidly mobilize the full resources of the country for the challenges of war.
>fascism for wartime
>markets for peacetime

>>139145726
>regulation for everything.

We both know, not "everything"

>influenced by the state or had some other form of affiliation with the state

There's nothing wrong with this, especially if the state knows what to put price controls on. Particularly in Agriculture.

> it was a leftist agenda designed to control the entire system

That better describes Strasserism, the NS economy was far less controlling than any socialist/communist system proposed at the time.

>Nothing of which would be considered efficient

Everything you described is the definition of efficency, for a nation to properly regulate so many markets and propose state sponsored companies in a way that employs so many in so little time, it was a economic miracle, and the results spoke for themselves.

>Central bank wasn't independent

This is the best thing about it, how in the fuck is a independent central bank good? The federal reserve is a disastor

>>139146858
>russia didnt grow under the soviet union

They produced enough tanks to destroy Germany, even hitler was impressed by how many factories they had