There are thousands of Transgender brave enough to fight than

But I'm an American and I want it.

Military servicemembers were instructed in no uncertain terms to keep our mouths shut or risk getting dishonorable discharge. Very disingenuous to say military wasn't asking for it. It was opposed right up until Obama forced it on the military (Marines fought it hardest).

>>139066021

So you're saying you haven't dilated your unhealed crotch wound today?

>>139066021
Are these the same type of chickenshit polls that gave Trump a 1% chance of winning?

>>139066021
Being transgender is expensive, and is a first world problem

>a recent poll of 1000 voters

Wow what a big and legitimate sample. Over 1000 east coast liberals polled!

>>139066021
bravery is courage in a time of great fear.
its not being mentally ill and intentionally getting your dick mutilated on the governments time

>>139066790
Not over, *nearly!

>>139066230 It's discriminatory to keep LGBT individuals from serving just because of their identity

You're talking about occupations that disqualify people for flat feet and poor eyesight, but having to torture oneself for hours a day is okay? Draining taxpayer money for hormones and silicone gibs is okay? Asking men to rely on a divisive population known for suicide is okay?

I got nothing against QT traps. But they have no business in the business of war.

>>139066021
The American military isn't an equal opportunity employer get over it.

Maybe get some help

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>>139066021
Its funny. The military won't accept people with body integrity disorder (people who want to chop off their arms and legs), but Obama wanted to let in men who want to cut off their dicks. Activates my almonds.

>>139066891
Fuck off shill

Their fucking "treatment" is expensive as fuck and no man can comftrably work alongside manwomen, would you have beers with a manwomen? No. So how can you work with them and trust them?

>>139066891
Military discriminates via height, weight, color blindness, mental state, and many other factors. Transgenders are an unnecessary burden on the DoD and are not cost effective workman.

>>139066021
OK let me start a poll
>Holds an election
>Trump wins decisively

Military here.

In fact, asking for it.

>>139066509

When are you Trumpcucks gonna understand those weren't polls, that was analysis of the polls.

The ACTUAL polls said Clinton would win the popular vote, because that's how polls work you fucking ridiculous retard. They said she'd win by 3% and she won it by 2.6%.

Polls don't "give 1% chances" because that's not how polling works, it's literally head-counting.

The Polls were actually very accurate. The analysis of the Electoral College and pollsters was wrong.

>>139066891
>It's discriminatory to keep LGBT individuals from serving just because of their identity
who gives a fuck? women shouldn't be there either

>>139066021
fuck off

the mentally ill do not belong in the military

>>139066021
Military Generals did want it, Americans want it, and mentally ill people already can't serve.

>>139066021
Please join.
>we need more infantry

>>139066021

>Get captured by ISIS.
>Have to tell them that you need to gape your new vagina or it will grow shut.

Super awkward.

>suicide rates among trannies is like 40% with 70% at least attempting
>giving them guns

Really powers up the pistachios

>Military isn't asking for it

Pretty sure that Trump made the decision based on the recommendation of his advisors, who in this capacity, are leadership from the military.

Also, even if you argue that it's fine to have TG people in the military, they are not cut out for direct combat roles. They have heightened levels of stress, and are less resistant to it. Ask anyone who serve(d) on front lines, and they'll tell you that they would wash out of any unit from hazing LONG before they'd break down or eat a bullet in the field. And yes, hazing is an integral part of the fraternity that is the US armed forces and no, you can't do away with it. Hard men for hard roles require tempering.

>>139066021
>Period.

Something MTF transgenders will never have.

>>139067384
Triggered?

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>>139066021
>if someone can do the job they should be allowed to serve
>implying they're not going to lower the standards in the name of diversity

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>>139066152

Same. We don't need mentally unstable people in the ranks stumbling around with open bloody gashes and demanding gibment payments for their troubles.

Seriously. I don't hate them I just think they're batshit crazy and a burden on expenditures.

>>139067384
Heyyy bro remember that Hillary Clintons votes will always be under scrutiny. But every single person that voted for Trump was a real person and knows who they voted for and what he stands for. Trump didn't embolden white supremacist. The election of him emboldened them, because they realized there is a lot of us.

The war waged against the US in the future isn't against Trump it's against the American people. For being aware of what's really going on.

>>139067558

Also, THIS. There is already an epidemic of servicemen and servicewomen committing suicide, during and after service. Anyone with a pre-existing predilection to self-harm has no place in the service.

>>139067384
didn't read lol

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>Army doesn't want people who can't stand for very long
>Don't want people who have suicidal thoughts

>We should totally have transgenders

Yeah I'm in the military and we don't want mental handicapped retards fucking it up any worse. We already have women, niggers and spics. Most of them are retarded bullet catchers, which is great. It gives me the opportunity to chill at the FOB fixing Facebook for some captain.

>>139066021
>post-op tranny gets deployed
>gets in prolonged firefight away from base
>no time to spend dialating wound in crotch where penis used to be with plastic dildo
>wound heals
>tranny can't piss
>goes into toxic shock
>call medevac, bunch of US soldiers die getting tranny back to base to have his wound reopened
>tranny gets honorably discharged, leeches of taxpayer bux for the rest of his short life before killing himself

Yes, this is exactly what we need in the military.

>>139067960
>Heyyy bro remember that Hillary Clintons votes will always be under scrutiny.

Why? Because of that fake news bullshit that all these people voted illegally? Even Republican Governors were rolling their eyes at that.

I don't care one way or the other who the President is doesn't affect me in the least.

But the polling was very accurate, despite having a +/-3% margin of error.

Trump's win was a political upset, not a landslide or anything even close.

>>139066891
?
Do you have any idea what it takes to be in the military ? Do you have any what it takes be trans either? They're at odds with each other. Just accept reality, trans can't be in the military because their treatment isn't cost efficient nor is the downgrading of our military worth it for them. You either want inclusive weakened military or you want cohesive military that can be relied upon and keep us safe. You can't have either.

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>>139068174

>retarded bullet catchers

Fucking topkek. But aren't they pushing diversity into higher ranks? I've always been concerned about this.

>>139067384
Having a higher popular vote count isnt winning, senpai :~)

>>139066021
Fuck off. You just want to get the gibs from the military.

>>139068439
>next Trannies in basic get "a Few Good Men'd"

>>139066021
They're too busy dildoing their surgical wounds to fight. And they wanted us to pay for it. All trannies belong in an oven

80% of socom infantry do not want to serve with women, and there are 1-2 women to have ever served in socom infantry.

>>139068439
Milfag here
>pops buffer tube as a "replacement"
>gets into firefight
>rifle is fucked
>gets others killed cause he can't suppress

>>139067384
I couldn't understand your post. Please fix your spacing.

>>139067723
lol'd out loud

>>139066021
>1000 votes = majority of population's opinion
They'd be terrified if they heard how many muslims support radical islam

>>139068470
California refused to provide their voter data, saying that if they did so it would provide legitimacy to Trump's claims of voter fraud. Also most of Hillary's popular vote win came from New York and California, so it's impossible for the polls to both be accurate and for her to lose the election unless all the polls were from those two states. Your entire ideology is based around rejecting reality and rewriting history to try and make yourself look like you're one of the good guys.

>>139068470
Because she's a corrupt politician and a Democrat.

>>139066021
>tfw a tranny with a gash in between their legs that could easily become infected can serve but i can't because i have autism

feels bad lads.

>>139066891
The military refuses to take people with mental illnesses like depression. Pretty much every tranny has severe depression among a billion other issues. They're completely unfit for military service.

I'm only a NEET because I fell for the wars for Israel meme and got blown up. What's your excuse faggot?

>>139068918
Haha I was gonna say just shoving the barrel up. This is even better.

>>139067384
>The Polls were actually very accurate. The analysis of the Electoral College and pollsters was wrong.
If your analysis is touted at having predictive merit and it isn't, then your analysis is shit.

Find me a poll set from the 2016 election that was accurate for every state. There wasn't one.

Even the closest ones were wrong for the outcome of 5 states.

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>>139068439

Hahaha nice scenario. Fucking hell.

>deep in jungle territory on reconnaissance mission
>tranny can barely keep up, hormones are super fucked up and impacting performance and cognition
>constantly complains about gash-wound pain
>medic takes a look
>green puss oozing out with black scabs and hairballs
>maggots, worms, and tiny bugs squirm out of wound
>gangrene setting in
>have to cancel op and carry worthless tranny fag back to base

>>139066021
>45% suicide rate
i.e. 19 TIMES HIGHER THAN THAT OF THE AVERAGE PERSON.

They're not sane enough to join the Military.

>>139066021
>to fight
america hasnt been in a real war in a long time. women werent allowed to be in active combat zones when there was even any real fighting in iraq or afganistan

it wasnt until years later when they were talking about greenzones within greenzones and people died while standing at checkpoints that women were in harms way and you can hardly call that fighting

a male to female tranny has never fought for america

>>139068634
>Sgt. Slaughter
hahahahaha

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>>139066021
Your tears are delicious OP. Half these fags will kill themselves anyway.

Not an exaggeration.

Fuck them. No sympathy. And SAGE.

>>139066891
>It's discriminatory
So?

So is rejecting everyone with club feet. There are lots of criteria that will get you discriminatory rejection because those criteria undermine your usefulness in military service.

Discrimination isn't unilaterally bad.

>>139069452

Make them into kamikaze/allahu akbar units. We can take our problem population and convert them to some semblance of usefulness and eliminate their eeking and squawking on the streets.

>>139068818
Yeah and the guys doing it to them would be justified because they're trying to defend their fellow corpsmen.

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>>139066021
I like how they had to come up with two oddly phrased questions to make it look like Americans want transgendered serving in the military to get around the fact that simply asking them "yes" or "no" would mean that you'd get a majority saying "no".

>>139069452
fucking perfect. transformers get to walk point with minehounds.

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>>139069701

I can't believe about half of the population is brainwashed enough to think discrimination is bad. This is what makes me worry and think we're all fucked.

Let's just let anyone operate advanced military machinery that way no one feels like theyre not included hurr durr

>>139066021
I don't think our fighting men should have to worry about helping some faggot dialate their crotch wound in a foxhole while dodging bullets.

>>139068439
Screen-capped for future use. Well done rebel scholar.

>>139066152
Same
Military wants it too. When the guidance was releases on post, everyone groaned abour the bullshit.

>>139069307
Here's a more likely scenario
>be tranny
>enlist in military
>get dick to vagoo
>spend 4 years in medical
????
>profit

>>139069307
I can't tell of the greentext or the image is worse.

Basically, trannies would have to never be deployed or stuck in non-combat, non-essential roles, displacing mentally-stable men. Basically the situation with women, but a million times worse.

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>>139066021
99% of us fucking hate trannies in the military. We already fucking hate tards who get BTFO of their first-year that join up for only "muh school" before this. What makes you think we would care about someone who wants that AND elective operation, not to mention all pre-ops and post-ops pills to pop around that, all while being a dispensing nozzle of horseshit. There's already plenty of numbers to go around concerning suicide rates of trannies, financial burden they incur, and less quantitative consequences (the biggest concern being basic training; where do they go?). But the big driving force is that they're fucking useless, in and out of combat zones. Period. No one in leadership wants to fuck up what they worked for just to let in the 0.1% of the 1% of Americans that joined.

t. career Airman stuck in 'Bama

>>139070206
no the work in finance and make sure you get shorted every month.

>>139070013
>Let's just let anyone operate advanced military machinery
BUT NO MAN WHO IS MENTALLY UNSTABLE SHOULD BE ABLE TO GO INTO A GUN STORE AND BUY ONE TODAY WITHOUT A BACKGROUND CHECK SO THEY CAN GO SHOOT UP SOME TODDLERS.

Oh I'm so sorry, did I just assume your gender? Please sign this form at the recruitment center and join the Marines today. I'm so sorry Xir.

>>139070206
More likely but less amusing, quit being a fag. We all know the more likely scenario but it's fun to make up green text stories. Reminds me of all the SJW/Obongo future stories and the libertarian future stories. kekekekeke

>>139067384

>reddit spacing

>>139067890

that image gave me cancer

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>>139070206

THEY SHOULD BE ABLE TO DO THAT DRUMPF IS HURTING OUR MILITARY POWER AND NATIONAL SAFETY

>>139069710
>Make them into kamikaze/allahu akbar units.
A New flesh-based MCLC?

>>139070113
Thanks, friend. My of/off typo will live on forever.

>>139070480
>complains about reddit spacing while using reddit spacing
Next time pull your dick out of that sheep before posting.

>>139070335
The studies they've done said it's only like 10% who get any physical treatment which would stop them from being sent off, but still.
It's really a waste of fucking money. They're supposed to be able bodied and of sound mind. Clearly they're not.
Plus the 44% suicide attempt ratio doesn't bode well for combat effectiveness.

>>139070330
Get involved in CAP, redpill the young cadets. Please.

>>139070923
Like another anon said unless they want to volunteer to be kamikaze units they're worthless on the battlefield and should be in a mental hospital, not the armed forces.

>>139066021
>willing to fight
You mean willing to have the military pay for their reassignment surgery ehich conveniently keeps them off the battle field?

Nah, these mentally ill degenerates can fucking kill themselves.

>>139066021

>dying for israel

nah faggot

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>>139066021
Psychotic faggots belong in a mental ward or a circus freak show, not in the military.

>>139070908

>accidentally push space bar
nt burger

>>139069796
That's retarded ahahahaha.

it's literally as simple as "ban trannies from military Y/n"

>>139068634
How many black generals do you know?

>hahahaha

>>139071104
Like I implied in another post, its similar to letting women enlist. You put the women/trannies in non-essential/non-combat roles so you can ship the men that had previously been in those roles into combat.

Except, in the tranny situation, suicide rates for non-combat roles will skyrocket.

>>139071478
ok, you're right i'm autistic

>>139067182
>So how can you work with them and trust them?

Uh pretty easy. By not being a bigot.

>>139067199
This.
I can't get a job at Hooters because I'm a chubby balding male. Am I being discriminated against too?

>>139071746
not trusting mentally ill people = bigot now

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>>139071516

http://diversity.defense.gov

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>>139071746
Ah yes, the leaf arrives.

>>139068634
Civic_nationalism.jpg

>>139066021
It's about readiness you dickless faggot

>>139070945
I'll see what my sponsor says. He'll probably approve me going there once or twice for every flight. Thankfully most coming in now already know the problem with that stuff. It's just making sure they don't do stupid shit while they're serving, but that's just a given for us and Gunter, since boredom's a bitch. Good wingmen help make it go by faster.

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>>139066021
>"I'd fucking kill you if the law allowed it I'm so ready fuck yes I'm pumped woohoo ciswhite man must die"
>"WHAT ARE YOU DOING, YOU WOULDN'T HIT A LADY WOULD YOU???"
>tfw

>>139071802
Men who aren't attracted to you are transphobic and should lose their jobs. Possibly even jail time.

>>139069307
That's our fucking fairytale you can't just change it to a fucking nigger because you feel like it. You bitch and moan about "cultural appropriation" but fucking take our fucking history. Fuck I'm pissed.

>>139071913
Seriously? So every trans person is mentally ill? You can't honestly believe that.

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>>139072387

Get raked. As a population whole they are not a net benefit to the military. Period.

>>139072387
Absolutely. It's simply a variant of body integrity identity disorder.

>>139066021
>Thousands of trannies
More like 8

>>139072387
They want to mutilate their genitalia and then they commit suicide more than any other group in history. Not to mention the fact that they believe in something that is empirically false.

If these are flags of mental illness I don't know what is.

>>139066021
let them join state militia

>>139068174
>>139071516

The current Sergeant Major of the Marine Corps is a black man, Ronald L Green: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ronald_L._Green

I served under him in my time in the corps (he was just our SgtMaj then), and I guarantee that he's 100 times the man that almost any of you are. He and Mattis are the two men I hold in highest regard, and if he asked me to re-enlist tomorrow, I would do it a heartbeat. Also, while I didn't have the chance to ask his opinion on the topic at hand (because it was a non-fucking-issue at the time), I'm more than willing to bet that he wouldn't abide it, as people who aren't combat ready are unsat for service. Hell, he even cracked down on our unit when people were finding ways to get exempt from deployment. He literally told us that we had "run out of crazy", and to suck it up.

>>139072387
Well yes, I do actually.

https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the-truth-about-exercise-addiction/201612/why-transgender-people-experience-more-mental-health

>>139066891
fuck your identity, you class b personality disorder.

>>139066021
Okay, they can come back, but they get no special treatment/time to do their weird shit and the government doesn't pay for any medical costs unrelated to serving the country. Do they still want in?

If I can't get in because of ADHD. Cutting your dick off shouldn't be allowed.

>>139072920

They are doing this because they want easy desk jobs, pensions, and medical "treatment" on the government's dime. That's what this is ALL about. It is ENTIRELY a rent seeking scam.

>>139072825
>>139073066
Wow, maybe you've never considered this but people in the trans community are treated like second class citizens every single day by retards like you who refuse to acknowledge their struggle and their identity. If you recognize that they have an insanely high rate of depression and suicide then maybe you should try being part of the solution instead.

Hey /pol/ who should and shouldn't be allowed to serve in the military? Please answer the following:

- Transgender
- Women
- Homosexual men
- Homosexual women
- Bisexual of both genders
- People with odd sexual fetishes
- Blacks
- Other non whites
- Members of a religion other than Christianity
- Atheists

>>139074072
>- Transgender
no
>- Women
yes in certain roles
>- Homosexual men
no
>- Homosexual women
no
>- Bisexual of both genders
no
>- People with odd sexual fetishes
no
>- Blacks
yes
>- Other non whites
yes
>- Members of a religion other than Christianity
yes
>- Atheists
yes

>>139066021
At least I know basic English grammar.

>>139066021
Daily reminder that transgender troops put their unit in danger and raise the average cost of deployment by demanding government subsidized tampons and makeshift dildos that keep their vagina-wounds from healing thesmelves.

>>139074072

Mentally and physically healthy people who are capable of passing standards for entry. That's it. That's all you have to be. Few women can pass the physical barriers. No trannies can pass the mental barriers.

>>139074072

I personally served with (and had no problems with) the following:

>Women
>Homosexual men
>Homosexual women
>People with odd sexual fetishes
>Blacks
>Other non whites
>Members of a religion other than Christianity (Jews, Muslims and Sikhs)
>Atheists

The problem lies with the individual, and their ability to conform with standards required of them. I'm not going to lie to you and say that there were never issues, but none of them directly affected combat readiness, and therefore weren't "significant" enough to be relevant. I will say, however, that women should not be in direct combat (i.e. 03xx MOS). We had several female pilots in our unit, and one of them was the first black female naval aviator, Vernice Armour: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vernice_Armour. She did her job well, never asked for preferential treatment, and was generally an awesome person. I would take her over ten white male shitbags anyday. Again, it comes down to the individual and their ability to conform with the necessary standards and expectations. Not everyone can do it, and not everyone should be allowed to.

>>139072216
I was in CAP as a kid. I loved it. Just wish we had more interactions with realist airmen/officers. A lot of our staff was pretty fucked.

Cool shit we got to do though was tour the armory, check out state of the art flight sims, fly on a KC-135R and climb down to the refueling pod, take off from an airforce base in a Cesna, etc all at Wright Patt.

CAP is a great program.

>>139075044
Hey look! There's an exception to the rule, so that will give us a significant shift in the average statistic!

I know you're an army man, but don't forget to use your brain on once in a while.

>>139069063
>The military refuses to take people with mental illnesses like depression.
This is rich considering their screening is abysmal.

>>139073986
If they have insanely high rates of mental illness and suicide they don't need to be in a high stress work environment like the military. They just become a hindrance and liability to themselves and to others in the armed forces.

>>139074270
I'm okay with fags if they can keep their faggotry to themselves, but otherwise exactly this.

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>>139066021
Be OP join the military for 4 yrs spend that time getting gender reassigned. Then demand life time of benifits.
On average, the minimum time required to change your physical sex is about two years, and that is a best case situation. Often, the process can take three, four, five, or many more years.

>>139075402

As someone who I'm guessing has never served, you can get fucked. Thanks for highlighting part of the larger issue though, which is civilians trying to dictate military doctrine. If you aren't (or never were) part of the force, your opinions regarding the military don't matter. Period.

>>139075481
It is and recruiters often times just flat out tell people to just not mention their mental illnesses at all. One recruiter flat out told me "If you don't tell me I can't hold it against you" on every question.

>>139074911
Has there ever been a case of a service member who identifies as trans actually being in combat?

>>139066891
It is discriminatory to keep anyone from serving, but sometimes your individual ambitions are not important. Deal with it.

Fat people can't serve.
Retarded people can't serve.
Depressed people can't serve.
Criminals can't serve.

The problem is the left sees the military as just another social benefits program.

>>139066021
They need special medical attention and meds, like diabetics. Logistics doesn't like that.

>>139072387
I'm trans and I can tell you without a doubt that yes we are. Gender dysphoria itself is, by definition, a mental illness. It also comes packed with other fun symptoms like severe depression and suicidal tendencies. Go fuck yourself, leaf.

>>139076183
>Depressed people can't serve.
Plenty of depressed people serve as long as they keep their mouth shut and they haven't been diagnosed.

Not meaning to say this as a defense for trans to serve, but they really need to vamp their screenings. It's a joke.

Dear Left,

Thank you for your interest in trans-gender military personnel of future recipients. We regret to inform you that you have been classed as a mentally challenged Class by historical studies. Your sexual preference is important to us and we would like to serve you in anyway possible, Buck up and be strong. You are part of an elite military force united. We as the protectors of the United States of America can be strong and shed our flaws as we defend our national interest. Cut yourself and you bleed, but hide the wound from the pack.

>>139066021
>people with a 35% suicide rate should be given access to military grade weapons

You cant even get into the Army if you have a history of depression.

>>139067890
what the hell even is "slam poetry"?
it seems every sjw hambeast feminist is a slam poet or some crap like that, what does it mean?

>>139074072
Trans can serve if not transitioned and if they are mentally sound.

>>139069293
CORRECT. Except for one polling company. Trafalgar Group... when they predicted a Handel win against Ossof, I knew she was going to win.

http://www.trafalgarstrategy.com/news/trafalgar-in-the-washington-times/

shouldn't we be throwing all our worst into the military? All our military has done is get prime white men killed or wounded.. and cucked

>>139077393
>trans
>mentally sound
pick one and only one
>>139074072
Men, regardless of race or religion.
Women could be allowed to serve under very specific conditions, such as never being anywhere near any real fighting.
I don't get why fetishes should be an issue in the military, no one is going to live out their scat fantasies in the fucking middle east(I hope to God I'm right)
Homos could be allowed, as long as they're only assigned to positions with other homos, so unnecessary conflict is avoided.

>>139072218
TAKE MY TRANS ANDROGYNE WOMAN CARD YOU TALIBAN SEXIST

well... on second thought libtards seem to side with islam extremists anyways so

>>139067097
is this how you avoid conscription in 2017?
Identify as trans?

>>139066152
me too. 40%+ rate of suicide is bad enough for being retarded, but add ptsd and give them guns, and you're asking for another fort hood

>>139078131
Trans was qt when qt when it was a chick with a strap on

So..... was shiting yourself

>>139077136
You've never seen slam nation, it's basically a poetry competition where a team of poets compete by sharing poems and the audience judges who's best
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=OonDPGwAyfQ

>>139066021

>Americans don't want it

Americans don't want faggots or trannies either.

Remember how those Faggot Marriage votes turned out?

Remember how the will of the people was overturned to accomodate fags? Remember how literally everyone except a small handful of progressiveness thinks Trannies are demented freaks, but we still get laws protecting their rights to pretend to be a different gender and letting them flip out like mental cases when they are called on it?

>>139066891

It's discriminatory to ban Nazis from posting on twitter just becaues of their identity.

>Inb4 it's a choice

If being a faggot isn't a choice, why do you have Gay Pride Parades? What are you proud of? Being born with an orientation lmao?

>>139066891
If their identity impairs their ability to do the job, then they should be discriminated against. The fact that trans are massively overrepresented in mental disorder and suicide statistics, for example, should probably raise some questions about their ability to operate automatic weapons in high intensity situations for potentially weeks at a time and logically make them subject to more scrutiny than the average person.

>>139067890
wtf

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>>139075785
>>139075044
>hur durr i know a black, a mexican and faggot and the're ok
>one soldier over 10 EVER, used shitbags. just fuck yourself shill you never served and are probably shareblue
maybe the talk about regular military in this country is true if you cant even figure out averages