I dare you, fucking dare you

How about you start with naming 25 upsides, since you started the argument

Bump, i am right i know i am right

I live and work in Pheonix Arizona and run a magazine called "The Cultural Barxist"

>>139051533
Kill yourself commie, I HOPE you stupid faggots try an overthrow.

>>139051696

No, id rather not

>>139051533
Cringe

>>139051996

Cant stand that communism is the ultimate red pill?

>>139051533
We're not here to hold your hand. Also, I don't talk to people that are going to be dead from heroin overdoses soon. I know you, and I know its only a matter of time before you catch some fentanyl and die.

We'll meme pictures of your corpse before we ever consider giving you 25 reasons to do anything faggot.

Name 250 downsides of capitalism faggot oh u can't guess I win heh

>>139051819
>i'd rather not do any work

typical communist

>>139051775
Get the fuck out of my State you fucking parasitic cancer strain.

>>139051533
The other 24 reasons don't matter after you've fucking starved to death

>>139052077
LMAO, you're a commie furfag

>>139051533
Your supermarkets will be filled with less than 25 loaves of bread, for starters.

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I smell a Commie on our freedom-loving soil, boys.

Everytime a "communist" tries to explain communism all I hear them say is "there should be no property. no money."

Zero explanation to how this would be applied to the United States.

>>139051775
Yeah you sound like a real winner.

>>139051775
bullshit
it's obvious you're a Russian

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>>139051533
Imagine having a political ideology so shitty that you have to keep making these threads multiple times a day for months on end.

>>139051533
>25
>downsides
>tfw OP is a faggot and artificially ups the number to something ridiculous
>the intent is to eventually say at the end of this thread....hahaha you could only find 19
>see ridiculous thread
>see OPs flag
>hate OP
>hate God for making OP

>>139051533
It's literally fascism, fuck off
1. It hampers personal growth.
One of the setbacks of communism is its being too controlling on the lives of the people. Since it is a classless society, everyone is equal in social status and no one is above the other. This can also be a disadvantage since people will feel they are at the end of the road because there is no room for personal improvement. In Cuba, for example, all medical professionals, medicines and hospitals are controlled by the government. The fees of these professionals are regulated by the government and they cannot demand for higher fees.

2. It dictates on the people.
In a communist society, the government has the power to dictate and run the lives of people. Although its goal is one of equality, there is basically less or no personal freedom at all to criticize the government or demand for changes. Moreover, there is no freedom of speech and whoever goes against the government can be subjected to punishments.

3. It does not give financial freedom.
Another setback of communism is the fact that entrepreneurs cannot expect to make more money than the others. As opposed to a free market economy, the command economy which is practiced by most communist countries ties the hands of business people. Consequently, it is hard to get rich in these countries.

>>139051533
1. It does not shed much light on its rulers.
A communist form of government can be endorsed in any political scenario, and a dictatorship might be ideologically communist, even a democratically elected government. Take note that democratically elected governments could have certain kind of substantiation, since members of the public participate in the national elections. In a dictatorial scenario, communism does not explain the reason why the citizens would not choose their leader and the virtue the rulers have attained their places.

2. It is anti-ambition.
In a communist form of government, there is just little room for you to have ambitions. Since there is equality for everyone, one cannot expect to do something out of the ordinary. Personal growth or development is not what you should strive for under this political system.

3. It can fuel poverty.
The lack of industrial growth would actually end up creating an employment problem. There is little cultural, technological and social evolution, and financial improvements are also confined to a certain sector that is encouraged by the state.

4. It can be just as corrupt as capitalism.
History has proven that communist regimes and parties became a coterie of people, where only the influential group of political leaders benefited from the system, often ending up living in lavish homes and living life in a more luxurious way than the normal citizens. This is ironic as communism aims to ensure everyone will have similar lives, but then the leaders are ending up living like royalties.

5. It constrains the voice of the people.
In communism, there is no free media, and the rulers or the government are omnipresent and omnipotent. The state would intervene in almost everything, which stifles the freedom of the citizens.

>>139051533
1. It’s A World Of Poverty

In theory, communism sounds like a great idea. Everyone is earning the same amount, making everyone equal. However, the reality of the situation is much different. The people who are making the money are not being given what they truly deserve, and instead are forced to blindly hand over all their earnings to superiors in the government. This creates an entire nation full of poverty, and possibly the widest wage gap imaginable.

2. Wide Spread Corruption

In communism, it is said that the people all own everything, equally. This couldn’t be further from the truth. In reality, the government owns everything, every product made and ever cent earned belongs to the government and the dictator. They can do whatever they please with this money, which leads to large amounts of corruption.

3. High Crime Rates

People naturally want to excel in life and make better for themselves and their family. This is practically impossible to do in a communist society. In order to obtain more, people often resort to crimes such as theft and violence. The strict laws that are imposed by the government also result in high confinement rates as well.

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>25
Faggot

>>139051533
>Working class puts product into bottom of pyramid
>Working class expects wages in the form of adequate food, water and shelter
>Top of the pyramid is 95% Jewish Bokshevik Bourgoise
>Working class doesnt receive said wages
>Working class dies


Capitalism is not much better, but it is better. Still under the heel of Jewish corporate monopoly.

Christian Socialism aka Nazism under a "monarch" is the best answer.

>>139051533
1. Businesses Are Limited In What They Can Earn
While it is great for some citizens to all live under the same economic terms and be assured of the same paycheck each week, this is not an environment that allows businesses to flourish. Instead of existing in a capitalist society, where the sky is the limit as to what a business is able to earn, a communist society puts a hard cap on a business’ ability to grow.

A business is not able to produce to their heart’s content, as communism limits their ability to create new products and earn the proper compensation for their hard work. Since each worker receives the same amount of money, this eliminates their motivation to go above and beyond.

2. Poverty Is Prevalent
On paper, everyone earning the same amount of money for the same amount of work should beget a proletariat paradise. Unfortunately, communism often leads to widespread corruption among elected officials and typically encourages greed. The goal is to allow everyone to obtain an equal profit for the work they’ve done, but it rarely works this way.

When the lower class is unable to question the actions of their superiors, this amount of power tends to corrupt those who have it. The ruling class of communist nations tends to become quite greedy, since there is no way for the classes beneath them to gain insight into how their nation truly works.

>>139051696
Hahahaha this.

>>139051533
3. No Personal Freedom
Many of the personal freedoms that capitalist societies take for granted are eliminated under a communist regime. Not only is freedom of speech completely taken away, but those who openly criticize the workings of the government are often subject to severe and overly harsh punishments.

Even if a family is able to save money from their typically meager earnings, they are not allowed to provide any sort of inheritance for their family members after they have deceased. Equality is great, but when a person is not able to accumulate any sort of savings or personal property, this leaves their close relatives with very little to remember them by once they are gone.

Creative pursuits are no longer encouraged. Communism focuses on production and agriculture, things that will support the long term growth of the nation. When this happens, art and music tend to fall by the wayside. If you cannot own artwork or earn a paycheck creating music, there is very little motivation to partake in creative outlets.

It doesn't value creativity

The average person, as George Carlin once observed, is not particularly good at anything. The perfect job for such a person is on the assembly line. But regardless of the governments under which we live, we all have different aspirations. Some people are perfectly happy sweeping floors, but most of us—justly—want more out of life. Not only money, but fame, glory, and a sense of accomplishment. All of these require at least some creative thought.You may want to be a poet or a painter, but these jobs certainly don’t pay the bills—and Communism views them as unnecessary and ridiculous. All that matters is building a super-powerful nation—and one of the first obstacles that must be removed is what Jefferson called “the pursuit of happiness.”

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>>139051696
>>139051819
>>139052260
/thread desu

Forced collectivism

The most notorious example of forced collectivization is the land reform carried out by Soviets between 1928 and 1933. It was thought that collectivization would maximize the use and potential of the countryside for urban and industrial needs. Russian industry was just taking off, and enormous quantities of food would be required for the workers.Masses of resisting landowners—many of them small-scale farmers who worked their own land—died at the hands of executioners. The state’s requisition of crops, livestock, and farmland was paid for by the farmers and by the lower class in general, some ten million of whom starved to death in five years.Exactly the same atrocity took place in Communist China, between 1958 and 1961. During this time, private farming was outlawed as it had been in Stalin’s Russia, and about 33 million people starved to death in possibly the single most destructive famine in human history.

>>139055167
The USSR had very little crime.

The Yeltsinist era Russia on the otherhand, crime was rampant.

>>139051696
fucking wasted

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>>139051533
>No matter what you say about how fucked up communism is, I will deny it!

sage

>>139051533

I could name you 25 MILLION reasons. Unfortunately Gingrich Yagoda killed them.

>>139051533
Famine.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=doOhmn0s3F0

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>>139052260
haha holy shit

>>139051533
>the voluntary exchange in transactions between private parties should be abolished

check out basic economics by Thomas Sowell

>>139055878
sprry Genrikh Yagoda

misspelled it

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>>139051533
>To name 25 downsides to full communism and back it up with proof

No, the burden of proof is on *you* cocksucker to prove communism works.

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>>139051533
Here is an infinite amount

You have no rights

Several of these entries are related, and the absence of citizens’ rights is at the heart of more than one. In keeping with the last entry, Marx advocated ten rules in his Communist Manifesto for the forced redistribution of all land and property for the good of the national community.This is theft, from the citizens’ point of view. They are forced to join the new Communist government—whether they like it or not. This, of course, must be done with a “might is right” frame of mind: lots of men with guns show up and take everything you have “for the glory of the motherland,” as the Soviets might have said.

reduced incentive to work hard

Incentives—such as higher pay for doctors—are necessary to give people the energy they need to work hard in a difficult job.When there are no extra incentives available—such as in a Communist state, where all reap an equal share in what some have worked harder to sow—the people in difficult jobs quickly lose their motivation. For example, workers would stop caring about how thoroughly they inspect the cars on the assembly lines, since it makes no difference to them either way. They are also likely to grow bitter at the government for failing to give them recognition when they do a good job. Revolts become a distinct liability; many a Communist state has fallen because of this problem of reduced incentives.

militant opposition to imperialism

It doesn’t take much to bring the fury of a Communist state upon you; in fact, it takes nothing more than simply existing in a capitalist state. The Communist Manifesto advocates the replacement of all governments by Communist governments. This has almost always been put into effect internally: the Russian monarchy was overthrown, as were the Republic of China and the Cuban democracy.But the threat is not merely internal. The US need not fear a Cuban invasion, but China is indeed a force to be reckoned with. It controls the second-largest portion of American debt, and though that only amounts to about eight percent, the number is rising. Should they ever call in America’s entire debt to them at once, America’s already depressed economy would be greatly harmed.

indifference towards the environment

A Communist state will make up for its inefficient economy by doing whatever is necessary to produce crops and water. In the 1960s, the Soviet Communist regime diverted two important rivers for irrigation. The Aral Sea, which those rivers fed, has now shrunk to as little as ten percent of its original size. It used to be the fourth largest lake in the world.The lesson: rather than letting the efficiency of capitalism into its economic model, the Soviet government chose to extract everything it could from the environment—without caring one bit about the health of that environment

>>139056436
Popular saying in the USSR:
>I'll pretend to work if you pretend to pay me

The economic calculation problem

The relative success of the free market economy is a real-world refutation of Marxist economics. The latter never has sufficient information on the market prices of commodities, and therefore cannot properly ration the distribution of a nation’s resources. The only reasonable criticism of the free market economy is the presence of monopolies, which can raise the prices of their products with little fear of reprisal. But monopolies are just like the central control a Communist government exercises on its whole economy; a true free market ensures that there be checks and balances on the price of goods and services.

>>139051533
01) F
02) U
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05) C
06) O
07) M
08) M
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10) N
11) I
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The class struggles going no where

Marx founded Communist philosophy on the principle that class struggles have been, by far, the primary cause of all strife, wars, economic woes, and regime collapses. There are popularly thought to be three major classes of people: the upper, the middle, and the lower. The upper class has most of the wealth; the lower class the least; and the middle class plays the peacemaker between them, maintaining the hope and sanity of the lower class. Without the middle class, heads are chopped.Communism itself does not erase the class struggle, as it proclaims, but keeps it going. It does this because it is a government: there must be a group of people in charge, and it’s likely that this group enjoys its power. By maintaining their power, the leaders of a Communist state separate the population into at least two classes: themselves as the upper class, and preferably everyone else in the lower class.Communist states have generally not featured a middle class—and its absence allowed for the Russian Revolutions of 1905 and 1917; the Chinese of 1949, the Cuban of 1953-59, and a host of others. All of these revolutions ended with the rise of a Communist state—and all of them were the ruin of their respective nations, because the Communists themselves became the very same brand of elitist upper class they had deposed.

>>139052260
10/10

mass murders

Communist rule may be directly blamed for the deaths of at least eighty-five million people in the twentieth century. Stalin alone murdered about twenty million, although other estimates range from fifty-three million to eighty million. In 1975, the Khmer Rouge seized power in Cambodia, and set out to establish a Communist utopia. They immediately committed genocide on their own people. At least two million were executed by brutally primitive methods in keeping with the Khmer Rouge’s anti-technology stance; many of the victims were murdered merely for wearing glasses. Intelligence was deemed a direct and serious threat to the Khmer Rouge.And let’s not forget Chairman Mao. He may not have been as evil as Stalin, but he was the very definition of indifference towards humanity. His “Great Leap Forward” caused the deaths by starvation of forty-five million Chinese civilians.

KARL MARX WAS WRONG TO BEGIN WITH

Marx’s doctrine is fraught with faulty logic, loopholes, and unsolved problems. His idea of economics is based on the labor theory of value, which asserts that a car, for example, should cost more than a TV, because more labor is needed to produce it. But this is an oversimplification of the market.Sam’s Choice Cola tastes almost identical to Coca-Cola, but costs half as much. The labor is the same, but people are happy to pay twice as much for the only difference: the brand name. The same holds true with medicine.In the same way, tennis shoes can cost over $200 in the US, despite being made in China or Taiwan for only about $3–10. Why do they cost so much? Because the industries that own them sell them based on how highly they are in demand by the public. That’s why they have athletes endorse their products: to make them more desirable to the athletes’ fans.This is expressly why Marxist Communism has caused the utter collapse of so many national economies: it thinks in broad strokes, and fails to tell one subtlety from another. This, first and foremost, is because Communism is not grounded in reality.

>>139051533

I'm gonna go with Kant on this one. In a critique of practical reason he lays out the concept that in order for people to act morally they have to have freedom. Without freedom, people no long er perceive that their actions can be moral or immoral, since their behavior is really controlled by someone else.

Communism is the ultimate sell out of the human soul. It places people in a state where they cannot act morally, and then injects the government into their lives to protect them from themselves. It is the ultimate perversion of human nature.

>>139051533
1. I like owning private property
2. I like food.
3. I don't like being executed by death squads

>>139055660
XD citizen X over here.

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>>139056743
Noice

OK now finally if you a genuinely interested in regime change, you need to over throw the banks the media and the current political system, just opposing the right wing, makes you tools of the left in a non communist system, so if you are serious stop harping on here organise and go kill the bankers, anything else is just masturbation. In short get fucked you fascist fuck, yes thats right communism is fascism dick wad

>>139051533
well there were at least 25 million deaths by intentional murder by Chairman Mao

so there you go
1 million*25 people dead by the will of that evil man

imbecile

1. the government takes your property and grips all production including food with an iron fist. Because government is stupidly inefficient without exception, everyone ends up starving to death
2-25 You are dead

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>>139054942
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>>139051696
>the crazy bastard actually did it
now observe as the gommies xD abandon thread and make another one just as this one dies

>>139051775
>I live and work in Pheonix Arizona
ok cool I work for the sheriff's department and will make sure you are complying with all local laws just so everyone here knows how well kept your business is

>>139051533
I know I'd do a lot less work under Communism.
Because really, why bother?

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>>139051533
Here is over 100 million reasons it doesn't work
(Pic related)

Marx was a retard who couldn't wrap his head around supply and demand and its effect on the market.

>>139051533
every war since WWII has been fought for global communism.
also its a system that doesn't allow free thought, speech or enjoy the fruits of your own labor.
kill yourself faggot.
sage

>>139057561

The conversion of and sell out of our banking system to a federal reserve is the greatest betrayal of our Republic imaginable. Unfortunately the people pushing this are a part of an international cabal that desire a one world, communist government that controls EVERYTHING and eliminates all personal property.

It's a conspiracy that goes back to the founding of the United States, and even before. The idea has always been to use a series of revolutions and wars to organize and eventually push the world governments into a single New World Order. And yes it's real. And so is pizzagate. And you're fucking retards if you think the alt-right kids marching around in white t-shirts are the real problem we are facing.

https://theculturalbarxist.wordpress.com/2017/06/17/the-cultural-barxist-edition-1-cover/

Make sure to use Ad Nauseum. This nigger is a lefty furfag marxist. Literal sub-human.

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>>139051819
commie wants everyone else to do the work for him LMAO

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Why do commies keep making these threads just to get BTFO every time?
No sane person would be in favor of communism, socialism, Marxism or whatever shite they call it.
Look at ANTIFA. They are all degenerates and severely mentally ill (pic related).

>>139058308

why not just round up to 12 million for Hitler, so that way there is 1 million for each tribe.

lol. but no seriously, there weren't even 500,000 in all of Germany;

>>139051533
Name 25 downsides to capitalism first faggot.

>>139051533
too central of control, it lends itseld to corruption. syndicalism is the way to go

Name 746 benefits of Communism. Back it up with proof.

I dare you. I fucking dare you.

>>139052260
l00000l

>>139051533
1 person wants to sell a good.
1 person wants to buy that same good.

You want to deny both of them the freedom to do that

>>139052260
OP completely, utterly, absolutely BTFO'd
This thread is over

>>139060068
that sounds reasonable until martin shkreli comes into the equation. what then?

>>139058688

Underrated post lol

>>139051533
25 that is a big number from the traditional name one or five things to prove me wrong argument.

Also how stereotypical of you being from a media outlet that makes shit pay. Marx the former foreign corresponded to the New York Tribune. Its like paper based media has always made shit money and your angry that you didn't apply yourself to a field that pays way more. Now you just blame the system for your failures instead applying yourself to going into politics and changing the weak laws in this every changing Republic. Kill yourself or apply yourself faggot.

>>139060555
then a competitor has a huge incentive to develop a generic version to the price gouged drug.

Contestable monopolies will always fail (see Chinese rare earth magnets)

>>139051533

>Write an essay to debunk my philosophy
>Your philosophy is bad because my fee-fees

I hope this thread is bait, otherwise kill yourself.

>>139051533
You can't have communism when you're living with niggers and spics and mudslimes.

>>139051533
http://www.kveller.com/article/top-jewish-baby-names-for-2015/

>>139051533
Too many of the wrong type of people dead. And by the wrong people, I mean non-gommies.

>>139051533

I only have immediate access to 10k rounds of ammo. That just won't do to give you all a proper death.

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>>139052260
my sides are now in low earth orbit

>>139060555
if you take govt out of the equation it works out quite easily and nicely

>>139061695
>hopefully something exists that can reasonably replace it after years of research
>hopefully the generic drug wont be price-gouged at that point
doesnt really solve much, especially in the short-term, if at all in the long-term

>>139062623
you mean thier involvement in patent laws? because that solves one problem and opens many more

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>>139058419
I can't believe this is real
a faggot furry marxist
just save us all the trouble and jump off a building now
>pic related?

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>>139051533
>Ideology of utter failures and losers, as well as the genetic and mental inferior individuals of our world wanting to leech off of their betters.

>>139062842
no
i mean govt
entirely

>opens many more

no

>>139051696
absolutely BTFO

>>139062669
Why? Imprimis Pharmaceuticals solved the Turing Pharma issue quite nicely, and they didn't gouge the price of the replacement, in fact, it was cheaper than before the gouging.

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>>139063504
Alt-Right

Same thing, but with no job and no friends.

>tfw

>>139051533
1) no food
2) no food
3) no food
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25) no food

>>139051696
/thread

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>>139051533
Our anime girls are better.

>>139051533
no, how about, since you hate it so much, tell US 25 downsides to EBIL GABIDALISM DDDDD:

>>139051819
/thread

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>>139058688

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Sage

>>139052260
hahahah btfo.

>>139063997
>opens many more
yes. if there isnt a patent on the drug, theres less incentive to research/create that drug in the first place. monopolies are also a huge issue in the case of the free market

>>139065403
i didnt know that. thats interesting. but perhaps very lucky

>>139051533
Every component state of the Soviet Union, China, Vietnam, Korea, venesuela, most of Africa and a bunch of shitholes including Spain.

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>>139058688
>checked

>>139051533
Albania
Angola
Armenia
Bulgaria
Cambodia
China
Croatia
Cuba
Czechoslovakia
East Germany
Estonia
Hungary
Kazakhstan
Lithuania
Laos
Poland
Romania
North Vietnam
North Korea
Serbia
Somalia
Tajikistan
Ukraine
Venezuela
Yugoslavia

>>139054942
>In a communist society, the government

Communism is worldwide anarchism. You're talking about socialism, the transitional interim stage that comes before communism in Marxist theory.

Actual communism is even more ridiculous and impossible. According to Marxist theory, when capitalism is abolished worldwide and the socialism stage is achieved everywhere, the institution of the state is eventually supposed to "wither away", and the world will enter into communism, a world without any states, property, money or classes.

>>139054942
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>>139056940
this entire thread is worth it thanks to you. saved for future reference.

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>>139071930
>Anarchism through complete dependence on the state

>>139051533

I will add a few

>have really good idea for business that will benefit myself and my community
>can't do it because that's capitalism

>have some excess food from my fruit farm and want to sell it for some extra cash
>some other villagers are also quite hungry and have money left over since the commie store shelves are empty and they couldn't buy anything
>can't sell and can't buy because that's capitalism

>be born with genius mind
>wasted because born in communist country and assigned as dirt digger, never educated and then culled when you rebel because you want to see your ideas become reality

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>>139071036
Nice.

>>139051533
Fuck you filth. Chopper rides

>>139051533

hahaha name 25 downsides

sorry it's never ever happening here in the usa

even being a commie is illegal, you can have your citizenship stropped you idiot

AND YOU WILL