Can we just stop infighting already?

>>139011082
>Implying subhuman low iq Germshitskin are the same as us
FUCK YOU.

>>139011305

lol god damnit.

>>139011082
Spain is the whitest Latin after France

>pack of mixed race steppe nigger rape babbies
>united
LEL

>>139011305

Sure the Germans have ruined Europe over 7 times but i feel like its time to forgive.

>>139011357


anddddddddddddddddddddd it begins.

>>139011082
Turkey should be removed from this. Including them is indecent.

>>139011873

I fully agree with that. Turkey should never be considered European. No muslim can be European that includes those trash Albos. Everyone else is fine.

>>139011082
Wow, so we are all related. Okay, we'll stop.

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I AM A CONQUISTADOR.

>>139012202

What you are is a fat mestizo and you are not allowed to be part of our European brotherhood. Your ancestors done fucked up when they went inside some sweet Indian poon. Cant blame them but still they tainted your blood.

>>139011357
That would be Portugal, the least slavic country in all of europe.

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>>139012356
I am white, cleetus. like 80 M of mexicans

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexicans_of_European_descent

my ancestors discovered America.

In Spain theres no aryan brotherhood. its for losers.

> oh look it's this crap again

why can burger not into basic genetics?

>>139012569

Post your DNA Test results or BTFO bro. I know theres some Indian in there.

>Mexican
>White

Pedro, por favor, fucco offo.

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>>139012397

The Slavs are a fine peoples.

>Amerimutts posting haplogroups to prove something again
why are amerimutts so fucking retarded?

>>139012593

I don't get why Euros feel so superior to Americans. On top of protecting you pussies we have given you the internet. Now shut the fuck up and thanks us.

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>>139012713
>american
>demanding DNA test results

Ayyyy lmao, what a time to be alive.

>>139012839

You read the article bro?

>>139013020

I'm 100% European.

>>139012966

what are the chances you are just a slav diaspora who looks ugly and needs to use random numbers to make himself feel betteR?

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>>139013117
>I'm 100% European.

>>139013041
>dailymail
i'm asking it again
why are you so fuckign retarded_

>>139013185

Very Very High actually. Well not ugly average looking also not that Slavic only 2% of my DNA is Eastern European.

>>139013237

Show your Turkish flag scum.

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>>139013237
>>139013504

He is ameridumb.

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>>139011978
It's just unfortunate that they have genetic markers from the Anatolians who were conquered by the Turkics. So yes, they're not Europe, but have genes from mixture regardless.

>>139013758

Bro you're really gonna say that and you're in fucking Mexico?????? Uh Pedro my lawn needs cutting and my wall needs building so chop chop essssee git to it.

>>139013358

so why don't you explain a bit more in your own words whats going on in the picture you posted?

why are the retards that keep posting these pics always too dumb to do a simple thing like that?

>>139014302

I honestly don't know what you're talking about. What needs explaining?

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>>139014248
at least we can place North Korea in a map ameridumb.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ugJZhL-cbc

>>139014667

It's called finding the dumbest fucks walking on the street. But yeah Americans are generally ignorant but that's only because we work all day unlike you fucks.

>>139015043
kek

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a0TK_vk-XDM

>>139015167

Ok so what has America contributed to the world and what has Mexico contributed? You don't wanna have this discussion.

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>>139015299
too many things.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Mexican_inventions_and_discoveries

>>139015579

Must feel strange calling a country "stupid" Yet the device you are using was invented there on the INTERNET which was developed there. Then get the fuck off the internet and stop using Computers you Mexican genius.

Also having a semi big economy means nothing. You have invented nothing you have contributed nothing as a country . So please refrain from calling a superior country "stupid"

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>>139015885
My laptop were made in China. you lost this debate bro, accept it and now cry me a river

You have invented nothing you have contributed nothing as a country

yes, we did.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Mexican_inventions_and_discoveries

the most importants were the color tv, thanks to a mexican you can see colors in your fucking laptop and contraceptive pill

>>139016195
That really made me think

what about Northern Ireland's statistics

>>139016195

Made and Invented are two different things. At this point you are just trolling me. There's no way you think Mexico is superior to the US in any way? Do you? You do realize we're trying to build a wall to keep your 85 Average IQ kind out of this country right?????? Don't you think if you guys were so superior to us we would want you here?????? Face it you know yourself that mixing with Indians fucked you guys. You know damn well you're surrounded by retards who bump RAAAAAAAAGEEETTTONNN all day.

>>139011082
It's funny how in Balkan threads everyone is calling everyone rapebaby, nonwhite and mongrel while they are no better.

>>139016360

Yeh Greece needs to declare war on Germany for what they have done to you guys.

>>139016360

lol how do Greeks work so much yet they are in the shape they are?

>>139016195
The mexinigger version of the color tv was a dead end like Betamax was. In other words...

You are still irrelevant and parasitic.

>>139014664

do you even know what is being measured? do you understand that people with completely different ancestry can have the same ancestral admixture?

having one nigger 2 generations ago and having one 1000 ago can give you the same Y-DNA make up

but your race will be completely different in each case


you have absolutely no idea what these numbers mean and just want to shitpost

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>>139016539
Mexico has 90 IQ

https://www.sdpnoticias.com/estilo-de-vida/2016/03/31/estos-son-los-paises-mas-inteligentes-del-mundo-mexico-no-aparece-en-la-lista

not all mexicans are mixed.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexicans_of_European_descent

>>139017020

90 IQ = BUILD THAT WALL!!!!!

>>139017213
Mexicans are smarter than you. you cheated that list. US can not have 96 IQ lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-V9g2OsEwGQ

that's true for most Europeans, but when you read the actual article in details you see that there are exceptions, in particular Spain and especially Italy, who share very few common ancestors with other Europeans in the last 2500 years

>>139016704
In what way are they not better? Western Europe is like 75% R1b on average. That doesn't mean that the Balkans are rapebabies, but there's definitely more of a mix of fundamentally different people.

We know from *recorded* history how much of a non-nation France is, being some mix of latinized Celtic, Germanic and Italic people that just occupied the same region. Yet look how consistent it is genetically. That's because the pre-IE population was very small.

Meanwhile, in the Balkans the pre-IE population dominates genetically, and that's an amalgamation of heterogenous populations from the Levant, North Africa and the Middle East. That makes sense, since the climate is better and the region has been more desirable and densely populated in pre-historic times. We're only something like 25-30% Indo-European. Heck, you're almost not Slavic at all genetically.

>>139011082

>all Europeans related if you go back 1000 years

Oswald Spengler wrote that in 1918, long before genetics. It's simply a mathematical question.

>>139017784
Yeah. Bulgarians are not Mongols. Mongols are Bulgarian. Now go back to Anatolia to your turkish cousin.

>>139018013
How dense are you?

>>139018147
How turkish are you?

>>139017365

Wrong. What brings down our average iq are Blacks and Latinos and you know this.

>>139018277
How gypsy are you?

>>139018395
>Italy
I could ask you the same question

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>>139017784

I'm a Macedonian, oh sorry A FYROMIAN and i took a dna test and check out the reults. There is no Middle eastern blood in me and 30% Greek genetics. How do you explain this?

>>139018579

why do you need random numbers to tell you something about yourself?

just post a pic and we'll classify you

>>139018579
Бpaткo, ти cи eвpeин!

>>139018653

I look very Greek Italian. Olive skin and very very Attractive.

>>139018762

hahahahah i know the jew thing is definitely there and it makes me sad.

Yes let's stop infighting and understand that different ethnicities shouldn't mix.

>>139018909

Can i mix with your Blonde Goddesses though?

>>139018862
How is life in America? Shall I go here too?

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>>139016195
>hourly labor productivity

>>139018797

> pays some random jews to give them his DNA and give him some random almost meaningless numbers back

>>139019078

Well I'm in Detroit and some niggers stole my FED EX package from in front on my door while i was at work so idk. Do you wanna be rich yet have to deal with niggers? Then sure come here. Aslo don't come here if you have no education you will end up working in a shit factory, only come if you have some sort of a skill like a Web Developer or something. Then you'll be fine.

>>139018579
"Greek" and "Iberian" and "Balkan" are just designations. Labels for a particular human mix. It's a fact that the core population of Greece and the Balkans (and to some extent Italy) derives from ancient MENA migrations, not the Eurasian steppes (ie. Indo-Europeans). The latter did give us our language, and played the most important role in the development of our identity, but it's retarded to claim we are monophyletic.

As for what it means, it means just what I said before. You Bulgarians are barely Slavic at all. You're Slavicised natives, meaning Greek, Thracian and everything in-between.

>>139019322
Why didn't you go to Chicago? There are still niggers but a lot more slav diaspora.

>>139019222

Meaningless how? I had no idea i had 30% Greek genetics that alone was worth the money. Now i don't hate Greeks as much.

>>139019425

I have 0 problem with being Greek i have no idea why my people take such an offense to it.

>>139019425
Which countries you consider slavic then, Vasilis?

>>139019439

My uncle lives here so we had to. Trust me. Detroit would be the last place i would choose if i had choice in the first place.

>>139019713
Interesting. Some of my distant relatives escaped the commies and went to Detroit.

>>139019459

ill tell you how these measurements work.

they define a sample they find (from an old skeleton f.e.) which they believe to belong to a certain group as something and then they compare your sample to it

so, if you have 30% matching to an old skeleton from greece , you will get the "greece" etc.

problem with this is ofc, that it only considers the male line (females don't have a Y chromosome) and it also doesn't tell you WHEN the admixture happened

so in the worst caste, the percentage means absolutely nothing, because you will be 30% but that admixture happened very long time ago , whereas somebody else who has 30% has more recent admixture

and this 30% ofc only considers your male lineage, so your male ancestors could have banged only niggeresses and it wouldn't change anything

>>139019425

Does this mean we can still claim Alexander as one of our own then? Why does your government take such offense to it? Because now we speak a Slavic language??? But you do agree he was one of us correct?

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>>139018579

You pretty much are a dinarid just like other south slavs. The south slavs expanded down the balkans and mixed with the existing Mediterranean population.

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>>139019905
you are so wrong and clueless it's not even funny

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>>139011082
Sure.

>>139019905

Sure it's not perfect but good enough to give you an idea of who your ancestors were don't you think? Calling it utter bullshit is wrong i think.

>>139020076

It's very strange that we now speak a slavic language. When i got my 23andMe results back i only had 2% eastern European genetics. Why did our latin/greek people suddenly start speaking a slavic language? I understand we we're conquered but still how can they impose a new language on such a large population.

>>139020111

there is a lot of guessing and not really anything exact about it, except for the comparison , which results in "exact numbers"

>>139020312

it tells you : the amount of admixture your MALE lineage has. that's all

it doesn't tell you : when it happened on a sensible scale (there exist finer variations for some haplogroups but they are also just guess work based on skeletal finds)

>>139020601
Weren't you always slavs? Or are you talking about BC? For what period of time are you exactly talking?

>>139020815

The Slav's conquered that region in the 6th century. Also Slav = Eastern European genetics in DNA tests and i only have 2% of it so no im not Slavic but yet we speak a Slavic language.

>>139020660
you should at least have a clue of what you are criticizing before you attempt to do so

1. no, it has fuck all to do with "bones", it's based on modern samples from all over the world, put through a bayesian clustering algorithm
2. it has fuck all to do with the Y chromosome, in fact admixture refers to models on the non-sexual chromosomes, the Y chromosome is used when it comes to tracing paternal lines, which have fuck all to do with admixture since there's no mixing involved, only a series of mutation passed on without recombination

>>139021010
What do you mean? You have 65% Balkan. How are you not slavic? How do you look like?

>>139020660

Italian bro just took a shit on you i think.

>>139021082

r-haplogroup is only existant on the male y-chromosome

and the originals are based on skeletal finds "not modern samples"

https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogruppe_R1a_(Y-DNA)
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogruppe_R1b_(Y-DNA)


how are you going to identify a mutation from over 21 k years ago on a modern sample you retard?

jesus

>>139021228

Not Slavic at all. Black hair, brown eyes, olive skin. Way more Greek looking than Slavic. I was born in a village very close to Greece though so maybe there was more mixing with them in my family who knows.

>>139020601


Invading populations can make the majority population speak their language and follow their customs if they become so influencial through power that they dictate social strength.

For example central asian turks invaded Anatolia but did not leave much of a genetic footprint. the majority of people in turkey have 90% dna from just Anatolian.

So the south slavs orginated when slavic tribes conquered all the way to macedonia and bulgaria and imposed slavic culture which later developed into independent south slav languages. Just like in Anatolia because these slavs had the power despite being a minority the locals started assimilating to the culture of the dominant minority.

>>139021452
Well, maybe you are not slavic. I honestly don't fucking know where I come from. Few generations back we are all Bulgarian for sure.

>>139019614
Countries with a high percentage of R1a

Just see where the Slavic Urheimat is considered to be. Somewhere around Poland, Belarus, and Ukraine, coincidentally the place with the highest concentration of R1b.

>>139019592
>>139019980
Do you know where Macedonia is? I hate to break it to you, but even when we talk about the expanded kingdom, the borders are almost entirely within Greece. The only part FYROM has is Pelagonia. There are Greek people descended from Macedonians, living in Macedonia and speaking Greek in modern-day Greece, so I don't know what makes Alexander one of "you".

You are genetically related to Macedonians to some extent, but your territory corresponds almost 1:1 to ancient Paeonia, a neighbouring kingdom.

So, do you see the problem with claiming the name Macedonia and trying to separate its history from Greece? The language is barely the important part here. All of your allegiances for the past 1000 years have been to Slavic nations. Bulgaria, Yugoslavia, Russia, you name it. If you were more friendly and culturally-allied with Greece, we may have had a better relationship.

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>>139021750
Forgot map

>>139021413
again, you are so clueless it's not even funny
Y-DNA haplogroups are constructed based on modern samples, the nomenclature is just a way to identify a "position" on the associated tree starting from Y-DNA "Adam"

you don't identify haplogroups using ancient samples, you dumb ape, you just look at someone's Y chromosome and see if they carry the required mutations that define the group
"R1b" is in fact more like a group rather than a single haplogroup, pretty much nobody alive carries the R1b mutation only, most carry deep subclades of it

until few years ago we didn't even have a single ancient sample with R1b

>>139021515

Makes me sad. I feel like latin/greek language is superior the our current Slavic language. I wonder if the Balkans would have been better off sticking with their old latin/greek culture. Answer is probably.

>>139011082
>People in the UK have Turkish ancestors that only date back 1,000 years
You mean 10 years

>>139021750

the highest amount of R1a is found in Poo in Loos, not Slavs , slavs are not the "original" Indoeuropeans

>>139021840

1. you can't identify the AGE of a mutation without an old sample
2. it's solely based on comparisons to predefined mutations , what is defined as "greek" could be something else

ofc you can compare people to eachother, but that doesn't tell you anything if you don't set (guess) something first

>>139011357
Fuck off Kike, Latins stand together (sometimes)

>>139011082
Murica should nuke us all, Europe is compromised

>>139021750

Not to give out more information about myself but i was born within the borders of that red line...............is that why i have so much greek in me? Is that why i cant stand most northern Macedonians? Basically I'm asking WAS I KAINGZZZZZZZZ N SHIEEEETTTT?

>>139022184

You guys would probably be better of under American rule. Guns and no Muslims.

>>139011082
>American
>Can we just stop infighting already?

>>139022641

I was born in Macedonia buddy.

>>139021750

Also what name would satisfy you? Northern Macedonia? I haven't kept up with what's going on with that........are they about to finally resolve that?

>>139022144
>you can't identify the AGE of a mutation without an old sample
but you can estimate it, see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Most_recent_common_ancestor#Time_to_MRCA_estimates

sure, molecular clocks aren't the most hard/solid of sciences, but it's something

>it's solely based on comparisons to predefined mutations , what is defined as "greek" could be something else
irrelevant, what is "Greek" in these tests is simply the sort of cluster of mutations which is associated with the bulk of people living in the Greek areas, ergo the "Greek" label
you are more "Greek" the more the overall set of mutations you carry compared to other humans resembles that of Greek peoples
the quality of the estimate depends on how well defined this cluster is
it's why for instance north Europeans very often come up as mixed up between the various northern nations, it's because they are so closely related those calculators have a hard time telling them apart
but in south Europe it's different

we do have ancient samples too to compare, and some free services like GedMatch do offer you the possibility of comparing yourself to ancient samples once you have your DNA sequenced, but that's not what services like 23&me do

>>139022697
Apologies.

>>139023254

you wrote yourself it's baed on predefinition, why the fuck are you trying to make people believe you can offer them a sensible analysis of their whole ANCESTRY.

What you offer them (in this case and especially in case of 23 and me)is an analysis of the admixture of their MALE ancestry.

And the main issue is still : since the age of these mutations is not known , you can not really give an accurate time of WHEN what admixture happened. IF you have a tolerance of 200-300 years, that is still useless.

>>139023645
>is an analysis of the admixture of their MALE ancestry.
you haven't read anything of what I wrote and keep spouting absolute crap, I'm gonna assume you are just a troll

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Europeans are connected not only by genes-race, but by culture and civilization

>>139023747

we are talking about OPs post , and the measurement 23 and me does

learn to read more exactly before you get triggered

>>139023759

Oh buddy sorry to break it to you but:


The one-drop rule is a social and legal principle of racial classification that was historically prominent in the United States asserting that any person with even one ancestor of sub-Saharan-African ancestry ("one drop" of black blood)[1][2] is considered black (Negro in historical terms). This concept evolved over the course of the 19th century and became codified into law in the 20th century. It was associated with the principle of "invisible blackness" and is an example of hypodescent, the automatic assignment of children of a mixed union between different socioeconomic or ethnic groups to the group with the lower status.[3]

Join BLM or something but you're out of the European family.

>>139023759

In America we would basically call you a nigger and not give a mortgage.

>>139023853
admixture has fuck all to do with the Y chromosome, maybe you should learn how to read yourself and learn some basic population genetics before making an ass of yourself

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>>139011082
>mfw Ireland has a higher percentage of basque
dna than Spain

>>139024136

male ancestral admixture is exactly what is measured here you retard

Lol

Slavs are whiter than westucks

>>139024136

Italian bro are you a scientist? You seem to be demolishing Swiss bro.

>>139024437

he is wrong: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_Y-chromosome_DNA_haplogroup

this is the only thing that 23 and me gives you


the estimates for the larger groups are usually 6-7 k years or older

so they can tell you that 6-7 k years ago you have some percentage of admixture in your male line with that haplogroup.

>>139024367
keep spouting bullshit, guess you are the only genius who hasn't figured out the other 22 non sexual chromosomes exist and can be analysed, apparently you think only the Y chromosome can be analysed
>>139024437
just a mathfag

>>139024384

Careful with that white talk, can't you end up in jail for that type of thing in Deutschland?

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>>139022144
Are you being serious with this? You're arguing that R1a is not the [Indo]-European haplogroup because it's found in [Indians]? On the contrary, that's more fuel for the fire. The closest language subgroup to the Balto-Slavic languages is Indo-Iranian. Slavs and Scythians (the northern Iranian group) lived next to each other, and then followed Persians and Aryans, north-to-south.

>>139022317
If you're from Pelagonia (or even Greece), naturally you'd be more Greek in ancestry than someone from Skopje. There also used to be Greek-speaking people in Pelagonia, the city named Monastiri/Bitola until very recently. So chances are you are from a region with actual Greek presence, rather than a primarily Serbian or Bulgarian area.

>>139022894
Doubt they'er going to resolve it any time soon. Due to the current instability of the EU, we can't play the veto-card as easily as we could have at one point, so the whole thing's gonna remain in limbo.

The fairest would be to name the country after Paeonia or Pelagonia, but I don't see that happening. The "Macedonia" name has become stuck on people and its too attractive to get rid of.

One suggestion I've seen thrown is "Upper Macedonia", even though that originally corresponded to western Macedonia (a separate region from Pelagonia). Even if it's not necessarily accurate, I wouldn't mind it. Better than "North" IMO, because it doesn't imply a split country in the same way "North Korea" does.

Even better: Upper Makedonija as an international name. A compromise on spelling would actually make it easier to swallow.

>>139024596
>this is the only thing that 23 and me gives you
wrong, it runs an admixture analysis on your autosomal DNA
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autosome

>>139024613

this is not what is being measured in OPs case

and we are not talking about possibilities , but what is actually being done

>>139024616
S-sorry , m-master

I will make sure to pray before the local Monument to the 6000Quadrillion to atone

>>139024812
OP's case is not even an admixture run, you are this illiterate
OP's pic is just full of pie charts of sample frequencies of Y-DNA haplogroups, nothing to do with admixture

>>139024778

it's based on a founders effect
>>139024986

it compares different ancestral male admixtures , that's all

keep on screeching

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>>139025111
you keep using the word admixture despite having absolutely no clue of what you are blabbering about, it's quite entertaining

>>139011305
Shut your spaghetti muncher, Giuseppe.

>>139025262

admixture in this case = amount of Y-DNA that matches with a predefined other Y-DNA

you are just triggered because you are wrong or actually a biology faggot

hard to believe you are a mathfag, good thing we don't take students from shittaly

>>139023938
>>139024057
I'm still laughing at your lack of know how tyrone, in 23 andme anything like 0, Z % is conisdered genetic noise of stat. noise. In all europe you see those 0 z %

>>139024778

That's funny you mention that, my mother is from Bitola and my father is from Prespa. which is right at the border with Greece. So yeah it makes sense why there's so much Greek in me and i look nothing like most the people there. Always thought i was Slav mixed with Arab(because of my olive skin) but the reality is I've been a sweet Greek this whole time....................well way better than Arab i guess.

I could never tell this to my parents though i think they would have an identity crisis.

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>>139025425
>admixture in this case = amount of Y-DNA that matches with a predefined other Y-DNA
how much? like, in kilograms?

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>>139012202
You're a fat fuck who's only source of pride is your questionable European DNA, please fuck off.

>>139025644

%age ofc , it's not complicated , stop trying to shill for your jewish business

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>>139025762
% of what, be more specific mr expert
how much R1b do you think you have for instance?

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>>139025636
>parents though i think they would have an identity crisis.

Why???
Are they proud arabs?
Who the fuck is a proud Arab lol

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>>139026119
>avoiding the question
we're done here, I won't let yourself be embarrassed any further

>>139011305
>this butthurt about getting roflstomped

>>139026207

Proud "Macedonians" who dislike Greeks very much so because of the name dispute.

If they were to find out they are Greek i think it would fuck with their heads.

>>139026288

i'm not avoiding anything, i'ts just funny that a (definitely not a biology student) thinks that 200 usd will get you a full autosomal ancestral admixture report LOL

it gets you a simple comparison of Y-DNA, that's also what they write in the report themselves , even if they add subclades , your closest chronological approach is 2000-3000 years

these tests are literally useless except for linguistic purposes

>>139024900

>pray

I hope that r was a typo goy.

>>139023938
The burger is so fucking dumb, he really believes any european, asian or abo, in deep genetic ancestry scores 1 only component. Try to check it:

even swedes, and japanese score some 0,% in some.
It is not real, but genetic noise.

have fun:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1QWzK3Zb7fxky6bguizFty2gXbEmJ3GZkQZOLfYDMzUQ/edit?pli=1#gid=0

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>>139027048

kek fucking brilliant

>>139026473
>linguistic
wut

>>139011082
Wew. Slavs are really subhuman.

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>implying the people who have mastered the arts of slaughtering each other for centuries will unite

>>139026397
Aren't Macedonians just "purer" Greeks?