Hope

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>He took the TRAD PILL

Nice

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>Feels > Reals
t. Evola

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>>138987743
He wont save you.

>>138987984
Only spiritually broken people need "salvation"

>>138987934
What does this even mean

Everyone should read Evola.

>>138987984
PS, that Jesus looks like a fucking arab lmao

>>138988085

Liberals hate it when you read wrongthink.

>>138988085
>Only spiritually broken people need "salvation"
Very untrue

>>138987743
Hes decent but i feel like im to much of a pleb to live up to his ideas.

>>138987743
Currently reading Revolt. Good stuff and very thorougly researched. Evola knew his shit and his views make a lot of sense. It's annoying to see him get smeared so badly as he does by the mainstream academia

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I find Evola an intriguing character but honestly don't get his views on economics. He seemed to hate both capitalism and Marxism and viewed them as materially-oriented and therefore unimportant. What did he propose as an alternative? Surely the masses of idiots need to live under SOME economic system while he and other natural elites Ride the Tiger through the Ruins? Pic is related.

>>138987743
How do I read Evola without reading thousands of pages of other material?

>>138988795
He has some accessible work, Notes on the Third Reich is short but interesting read.

>>138988795
Question does not make sense, his books dont require prior knowledge

>>138988741
Corportism for example (like from the middle ages), as long as the focus is on higher spiritual meaning and not on economic profits its fine

>>138988741
people who focus on economics above all are idiots or terrorists, economy is a byproduct of society, not the opposite and both marxism and capitalism define society by its economy.

>>138988397
He's pretty strong meat. Hell, Nietzshce is strong enough for most people. Evola takes it to a whole different dimension.

>>138989319
Based esoteric food reviewer

>>138987934
What exactly is this caricature trying to convey?

>>138988741
>I find Evola an intriguing character but honestly don't get his views on economics.
He didn't care about politics, he sees it as a natural consequence of human interactions and it doesn't require politics to interfere in it.

>>138987743

ebola

>>138990305
economics not politics, while in riding the tiger he suggested also to go the way of the apoliteia, because every politician is generate and the modern state isn't organic anymore.

i keep hearing about this guy here.

can someone recommend his best books for me to read.

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>>138989494
Like guilds, state-enforced monopolies, subsidies for state-favored businesses etc.? I don't understand why he would care one way or the other if The Herd freely exchanged goods and services with each other. What is his principal argument against such a system, that it would allow the mass man who was successful in business to rise above his proper station in life? Surely he understood that he himself was a capitalist if he made a living writing books, right? It seems to me that he, like Thomas Carlyle, was a mystic who thought economic questions to be unimportant and instead focused primarily on spiritual matters. Is that a fair assessment?

>>138989319
Is Reviewbrah the best exemplar of "riding the tiger of modernity"? He will consume so much food that McDonald's will literally exhaust and die out. Based.

>>138990604
He saw capitalism as a synonym for western degeneracy, but he basically said let people interact with each other how they want.
You should read Evola first, trying to understand it in a spiritual way and then go to Hoppe and you will be surprised how the spiritual and material part unites to one.

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>>138990575
Here's a nice little talk that'll give you a quick rundown on his ideas: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4YqKf3v2aPs

Revolt Against The Modern World is probably the best place to start. Then you can move onto Ride the Tiger and Men Among the Ruins. Fascism Viewed From the Right if you want a very unique take on Fascism. Notes on the Third Reich if you want a traditionalist critique of National Socialism.

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>>138988590
Reading Ride The Tiger. There is power in our blood. We WILL Win

>>138990604
>Like guilds, state-enforced monopolies
Sure
>businesses
No

>>138990604
>he himself was a capitalist if he made a living writing books
Thats not what capitalism is

When people argue against capitalism they dont argue against people trading things they made themselves, but societies that are centered around economic productivity at the expense of everything else (culture, race, spirituality, ect)

"What must be questioned is not the value of this or that economic system, but the value of the economy itself. Thus, despite the fact that the antithesis between capitalism and Marxism dominates the background of recent times, it must be regarded as a pseudo-antithesis. In free-market economies, as well as in Marxist societies, the myth of production and its corollaries (e.g., standardization, monopolies, cartels, technocracy) are subject to the "hegemony" of the economy, becoming the primary factor on which the material conditions of existence are based. Both systems regard as "backward" or as "underdeveloped" those civilizations that do not amount to "civilizations based on labor and production"—namely, those civilizations that, luckily for themselves, have not yet been caught up in the feverish industrial exploitation of every natural resource, the social and productive enslavement of all human possibilities, and the exaltation of technical and industrial standards; in other words, those civilizations that still enjoy a certain space and a relative freedom. "

>>138988085
All spiritually healthy people desire salvation from this vulgar age.

>>138991102
noice infograph.
thanks.

>>138991823
Thanks for the explanation. He seems like a bit of a Luddite. Would he really have, for example, preferred for the millions of Chinese and Indians who have been lifted up by capitalism and technological advances to continue living in abject poverty, intellectual ignorance, and unsanitary conditions simply to spare India and China the "feverish industrial exploitation of every natural resource?" Was he familiar with the concept of "trade-offs?"

>>138992612
He would have preferred China and Indians to have lived as they did thousands of years ago( which by the way was in better conditions than even today)

"abject poverty, intellectual ignorance, and unsanitary conditions" are a result of degeneration, and modern capitalism only corrects the first and exacerbates the latter two

PS modern technology can somwhwat coexist with tradition like in pre-1945 Japan

PSS The majority of Indians were better off 5000 year ago, they even had plumbing back then but not now

PSSS Im pretty sure the focus on the economy in China lead to the death of more than 50 million chinese

>>138992612
"The quality of municipal town planning suggests the knowledge of urban planning and efficient municipal governments which placed a high priority on hygiene, or, alternatively, accessibility to the means of religious ritual.

As seen in Harappa, Mohenjo-Daro and the recently partially excavated Rakhigarhi, this urban plan included the world's first known urban sanitation systems: see hydraulic engineering of the Indus Valley Civilisation. Within the city, individual homes or groups of homes obtained water from wells. From a room that appears to have been set aside for bathing, waste water was directed to covered drains, which lined the major streets. Houses opened only to inner courtyards and smaller lanes. The house-building in some villages in the region still resembles in some respects the house-building of the Harappans.[85]


The ancient Indus systems of sewerage and drainage that were developed and used in cities throughout the Indus region were far more advanced than any found in contemporary urban sites in the Middle East and even more efficient than those in many areas of Pakistan and India today."

Wait... lets read that last part again...

>"The ancient Indus systems of sewerage and drainage... were far more advanced than any found in contemporary urban sites in the Middle East and even more efficient than those in many areas of Pakistan and India today."

B-But muh bronze age savages

muh poo in loo

>>138988129
>He wasn't an Arab.

>>138990896
So what books should I specifically read in order?

>>138994073
The voluntary exchange of goods and services led to 50 million deaths in China? Or did communism lead to the 50 million deaths?

Modern capitalism exacerbates unsanitary conditions? You think bathrooms in developed, first-world countries are LESS SANITARY than bathrooms in India? Huh?

>>138992612
Do us both a service and open a book about pre-Qing China and pre muslim invasion India.
Ancient China shits all over ancient Greece and ancient Rome technologically, politically and philosophically.

>>138987853
Tradpill is best pill

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>>138987743

>>138989995
t. read neither

then again that probably goes for everyone itt

>>138990204
He's trying to compare him to modern leftists because he's intellectually dishonest.

>>138989319
Comfiest youtuber but also the saddest youtuber

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>>138987934
Commie fuck

>>138992612
>continue living in abject poverty
Material.

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>>138995181
How very presumptuous

>>138988741
He just could not deal with the fact that religion has no meaning, technological civilization killed all spirituality and mysticism, so he rants. There is no supernatural experience anymore, people can't believe in punishment, they barely believe in life after death, let alone having a soul.

Has everyone already forgotten the Path and the Word of Esoteric Jahanism?

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>>138996346
No, my friend. Jahans is with me. Always.

>tfw burned out from work after working 60 hour weeks first half of the year, hate programming now, boss refuses to give me a raise
>do minimum I can to get by now, go home and blaze every day
>live alone, have no responsibilities to anyone, all family live hundreds of miles away
>let apartment go to shit, when my mother visited she almost cried before cleaning everything, its shit again
>trying to motivate myself to learn new things and look for a better job, never works
>was getting fit a year ago, now fat again

Fuck, I look back at where I was a year ago and wonder what happened. I just lost all hope.

>>138995574
I get it, but I have a hard time understanding how having a BASIC level of material comfort so you aren't dying of preventable/treatable things like diarrhea and malaria is objectionable to anyone who has empathy for his fellow man. A true aristocrat practices noblesse oblige and cares about the well-being of the masses even while recognizing his superiority to them, and it seems that Evola was a bit callous in that respect. I happen to agree with Evola that economic advancements don't lead to ultimate happiness, but I'd still rather take a shit in a toilet than a hole in the ground!

>>138995073
Why do you ignore the shit ton of chemicals and xenoestrogens everywhere? That is unsanitary as fuck.

reincarnation is unfalsifiable. you can't die.

>>138995073
>capitalist free market indoctrination
>strawman

not worth responding, learn to read/think or dont waste my fucking time

>>138997052
YOU DUMB NIGGER, TOILETS EXISTED IN 3000 BC

IT HAS NOTHING (NOTHING!) TO DO WITH CAPITALISM
AND TAKING A SHIT OUTSIDE ISNT HARD ANYWAY YOU FUCKING PHILISTINE

>>138997052
Holes in the ground are primitive toilets, my son.

>>138997486
That is literally what you wrote- ""abject poverty, intellectual ignorance, and unsanitary conditions" are a result of degeneration, and MODERN CAPITALISM only corrects the first and EXACERBATES THE LATTER TWO." You literally said that modern capitalism exacerbates unsanitary conditions, which you know is laughably false. Rather than admitting that you made a silly statement, you accuse me of burning a strawman for repeating your words back to you. This is what I find so frustrating about engaging in an intellectual debate with someone online. I wasn't here to troll, I was trying to explore his ideas and contrast them with my own. Either stand by your contention or admit your mistake, but to accuse me of engaging in a fallacy is dishonorable and betrays your lack of intellectual honesty and humility.

>>138998338
he's right though, modern capitalism killed proximity medicine, affordable housing, valued jobs and generally everything that is not speculative

>>138997941
Did more people die of preventable diseases related to sanitary conditions 3,000 years ago than today? Do you take a shit on the side of the road or in a toilet sold to you by capitalists?

>>138998853
Now people die of cancer and capitalism has not found a cure for it yet.
Most medicine of today is literal poison with all its side effects and will make you dependant to get more, exactly what you kike free muhrket kikes want.

You don't need a soul crushing economic system to find a cure for something, you know.

>>138998823
Modern capitalism built the computer on which you are currently complaining about modern capitalism.

>>138998853
You can't just say every aspect of scientific and technological progress is the result of modern capitalism. In fact, many of those things have been used to make shekels to our detriment.

>>138999258
how is that relevant ?

>>138999258
The computer was nothing but a byproduct of both world wars, first with Germany's Enigma machine at the end of WW1.
Infact, the people of that lived during the wars would face you with hatred for the all the materialist bullshit you are encouraging, which is in turn poisoning our society.
Do you now honestly want to tell me that the wheel was a capitalist invention now?

>>138999154
Has government found a cure for it? How much of the technology that you have used since waking up this morning was produced in a government bureau?

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>>139000110
How the fuck do you come up with government?
Most of the shit nowadays is encouraged by corporate enterprises, a product of unhindered capitalism, government in turn gets also controlled by them.

>>138998338
>You literally said that modern capitalism exacerbates unsanitary conditions, which you know is laughably false. Rather than admitting that you made a silly statement, you accuse me of burning a strawman for repeating your words back to you. This is what I find so frustrating about engaging in an intellectual debate with someone online. I wasn't here to troll, I was trying to explore his ideas and contrast them with my own. Either stand by your contention or admit your mistake, but to accuse me of engaging in a fallacy is dishonorable and betrays your lack of intellectual honesty and humility.
No sweetie, the problem is that you equated my "unsanitary conditions" with just bathrooms, and not only that but you were trying to compare MODERN CAPITALIST India with MODERN CAPITALIST Europe/USA which has NOTHING to do with capitalist vs pre-capitalist society.


Yes, the ancient world was MUCH cleaner than teh modern world.

>>138998853
No, for two reasons
>technology made the world population go from a few million to 7 billion (mostly dumb low IQ people)
> these dense societies allows disease to spread more easily

So modern societies have more disease per capita and in total than ancient ones


PS. Toilets were invented by people 5000 years ago, and if i wasnt living in a city i would be fine shitting outside

>>139000110
>How much of the unnecessary technology that you were convinced by insidious advertisers you need that you've used this morning since waking up was produced in a government bureau?

Giulio Cesare Andrea Evola was born in Rome to a minor aristocratic family of Sicilian origins. He was a baron. Little is known about his early upbringing except that he considered it irrelevant. Evola studied engineering in Rome, but did not complete his studies because he "did not want to be associated in any way with bourgeois academic recognition and titles such as doctor and engineer."

>>138999923
The computer you are using at this very moment was created by an Evil Capitalist trying to earn a profit. You opened your wallet and gave him money. He, in turn, gave you the computer you are sitting in front of. You voluntarily exchanged your money for his computer. All I am saying is that this is not a bad thing. I agree that capitalism can sometimes be DISTASTEFUL, as it has given us such cultural wonders as Bud Light, the Kardashian show, and the Macarena. Capitalism often caters to mass tastes, and Evola and other elites recognizes that the masses are doltish automatons who only want bread and circuses. I understand why people are turned off by that, but what is the alternative? Socialism? Corporatism/mercantilism? Barter economy? Feudalism? Would you really want to live under any of those systems?

>>139000110
even if it did we wouldn't know since only billionaires are allowed to benefit from modern, read post 1990's, discoveries.
How come a 90+ years old Rothschild can get a heart whenever he wants/needs but an otherwise healthy regular 35 years old will most likely die due to a lack of heart donor after 5 years on waiting list ?

I live in NYC and im pretty fucking sure the native americans lived in cleaner societies

I cant walk outside my house without smelling rotten trash bags on the street, stepping in dog shit, breathing in polluted air and seeing disgusting obese amerilards who would be dead without their rotation of modern medicine and healthcare. Oh and even the sound waves are polluted with nigger music! GREAT THANKS CAPITALISM/MARXISM

I hope this place gets nuked, I'll leave soon


>>139000932
Confirmed for being indoctrinated retard

>>139000932
>The computer you are using at this very moment was created by an Evil Capitalist trying to earn a profit. You opened your wallet and gave him money.
Non-argument. You can't not fund capitalists as a part of a capitalist society.

>>139000584
I agree with you that advertising can be insidious BritBro! Advertisers play to our primal drives to convince us that we will be hanging out with bikini models on the beach if we drink their shitty beer. But that stuff is for the masses, who will always be easily manipulated and will always think with their little head rather than big one! But what is the alternative? Ban advertising? Burn down Madison Avenue? Full communism?

>>139001520
Yes you can. You could solely engage in barter, but you don't because it is incredibly inefficient and primitive and you obviously recognize the superiority of having a single medium of exchange with which to purchase goods and services.

"Hey Mister Grocer, can I trade my cow to you for 5 pounds of flour? Oh, you just want me to give you money instead? No thanks, that's degenerate!"

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>>139002137
>bartering is the only alternative to liberal capitalism
Done with you, have a good life.

>>139001631
So you would be fine with the degeneration of society because there are no other alternatives than the ones you stated?

>>138987934
Make a gay charicature of him, that still doesn't change how right he is.

Evola and Kaczynski are both the ultimate redpills.

>>139000943
Because capitalists can't sell hearts for a profit. Why do you think waiting lists exist in the first place? Could it be because government has forbidden the sale of organs? If you needed a heart transplant and were low on the waiting list, wouldn't you wish that you could buy one from a business owner rather than dying while you wait?

>>138988085
It means you don't know shit about transcendens.

>>139002240
>Socialism? Corporatism/mercantilism? Barter economy? Feudalism?
When did I say barter is the only alternative? I also suggested the possibility of feudalism, corporatism, mercantilism, socialism, communism as alternatives to capitalism.

>>139002336
If the alternatives are WORSE than what we have currently, what would you suggest? You have to pick between real-world alternatives, not some utopian flight of fancy. We don't live in the Garden of Eden anymore!

>>139000932
the alternative is not to worship economic systems as the ultimate guarantors of human happiness

fuck i'm so sick of you soulless mushbrained cuck faggots who can never see beyond government/economies

here's a tip: as soon as you're set on imposing some kind of "-ism" on society you've already fucking lost.

>>138994849
He was a Levantine, which are closely related to Samaritans, Syrians, Lebanese, and so forth. They cluster closer to Gulf Arabs than they do to Western Europeans on PCA autosomal DNA plots.

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>>139002799
How about we let people define the economy instead of the opposite? (hint: the economy defines the people in this age).
How about we stop focusing on retarded -isms like >>139003297 and use common sense, philosophy/religion and culture to define the economy?

>inb4 that is utopian
Everything other than capitalism is utopian for you it seems anyway.

>>139003723
like >>XXX said*

>>138987934
> comie flag
> shitty art
> retarded argument
> unironically shitty post
you must be the spanish fagot
kys

>>138988741
you poor retard. even fascism critisizes capitalism, as a pure eocnomic system it is void of meaning and is unfullfilling to society

>>139003297
I have said multiple times that I agree that the economic system under which you live us not related to your ultimate happiness. Look at millionaire celebs who have every material comfort and are still miserable! I agree with you so I don't understand the hostility.

>>138988155
Evola is available for everyone in youtube, audiobook version.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sCIDFGKSaW0

they can handle it

>>139004664
my hostility comes from the fact that the one evola thread this shithole gets about as frequently as halley's fucking comet is reduced to more economic partisan shitflinging

I wanna talk about the guy's metaphysics, I'm sick to absolute fucking death about economics and money

>>139004889
how about you go cry to a corner you stupid fagot

>>139004097
That is why I asked the question about what Evola's alternative to capitalism was. Even I have criticized capitalism in this thread, which makes me wonder whether you misunderstood my post. What would you, in your wisdom, propose as an alternative? Should we burn the cities down and go back to being nomadic hunter-gatherers? Barter? Full communism?

>>139004889
I also think spiritual and metaphysical matters are of paramount importance. I honestly wasn't trying to de-rail the thread or anything with my question about economics, it just always just struck me as curious that Evola seemed to hate capitalism and communism and I thought I would get some honest replies. My original question related to what system the masses would live under while the Ubermenschen strive for transcendence, then everyone started bitching about capitalism.

>>139005210
i dont know what his alternative is, but imo a system like national socialist... where the monetary system which is the lifeblood of the economy, and all dealings revolves around it, is tied to the people in the way of work or some other personal thing that moulds its worth, and the dealings are never done so by some third party (private owned bank) or in an impersonal way (state deciding who is worth what)

>>138990204
>if you don't buy into my impotent and intellectually bankrupt, surface-level notions, you're unreasonable and overly emotional

Basically his argument desu.

>>139006235
>evola was a die-hard catholic

why do evola discussions never evolve past meme-tier? is it really so hard to read and understand this guy?

>>138990896
>people get to interact however they want under capitalism
as long as they want to interact via money

>>138987743
Reviewbrah?!?!

>>139006376
>why do evola discussions never evolve past meme-tier? is it really so hard to read and understand this guy?
The Traditional perspective and things Evola talks about are really uncommon in any discussion nowadays. Even /pol/ with a wider overton window is not exempt, there's tons of variations of materialism and nominalism that drown out the discussion. Explanation of Evola would require a lot of work because very basic things and assumptions need to be clarified first.

>>138988129
It's the sklavic jebus. This is what those square headed retards worship.

>>138988741
You can look up cultured thug or Marshall Ironsides on YouTube for an overview of fascist corporatism. Evola was a proponent of this system because it was guild based and allowed people to take pride in their craft like a form of art.

>>139006376
Evola is hard to understand because he comes from a perspective almost entirely alien to us.

>>138987743
> I couldn't get laid but now I have an explanation why
Go back to r*ddit, faggot.

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>>139010540
rushed effortpost:

evola believed in transcendence not as an achievement of thought/intellectualization but as a fundamental orientation of being

you don't have a body, your body has you. you are simply the consciousness FOR the body - the particular biological system - that you are.

this universe is, obviously, thermodynamic, it is in constant flux, constant change, the only rule is the eternal turnover of birth and death.

beings that live in their body die with the body, beings that identify not with their contingent, ephemerally conditioned self but with the fact of their being itself, their "transcendental I", that I that apprehends itself as an I subject to necessity, natural law, etc. transcends the human condition

transcendence is, in short, nothing but developing AND living a holistic, intuitive knowledge of this reality that you're in and the system that you are, and that the only true overcoming is the overcoming in you of everything that is made a slave of external determinations

subjectivity is a void/negativity whose "goal", as it were, is to negate its own particularity but not in such a way that we are re-absorbed into some pre-ontological medium/divine goop but retain the naked, absolute fact of our individuality in and through the "primordial state", which Evola says is equivalent to the death-state

only an a transcendent, self-sufficient selfhood is truth, is power, is dignity and glory. everything else is playing the thermodynamic game of change and exchange, of generation and destruction

>>139011954
Go to tumblr, roastie.

>>138997052
Evola isn't against technology per se, he is against the materialist attitude that informs it. How much of technological development in the Western world is geared around making consumerist bullshit that does nothing for the spiritual fulfilment of mankind? I would find a quote but I am phone posting.

>>138987934
Just fyi this guy posts this same shitty meme EVERY time Evola is mentioned. Its always in the first few comments and its just overall a shitty meme, doesnt convey anything, doesnt caricature Evola well it just paints him as a fag. You could tell this was a lefty who thought fagging Evola up would make us think he was himself a decadent or something. Overall bad propaganda

>>139012046
>transcendence
The thing is that the term 'transcendence' has been abused, so telling people about trancendence as proper orientation of life is running quickly into misunderstanding. I've found Evola's explanation in his Revolt to be quite powerful. It is fitting for the first chapter of his magnum opus and absolutely necessary to understand Evola (or other Traditionalist writers):

>In order to understand both the traditional spirit and modern civilization as its negation, it is necessary to start from a fundamental point: the doctrine of the two worlds.

>There is a physical order and a metaphysical order. There is a mortal world and the world of the immortals. There is the higher reason of “being” and the lower one of “becoming”. More broadly: there is the visible and tangible and beyond it, first of all, there is the invisible and intangible as the superworld, origin, and true life.

>Everywhere in the world of Tradition, both in the East and the West, in one form or another, this knowledge was always present as an unshakeable axis around which everything else was ordered.

>We say knowledge and not “theory”. As difficult as it is for moderns to conceive it, it is necessary to start from the idea that traditional man knew of the reality of an order of being much vaster than what today corresponds to the word “real”. Today, fundamentally, he no longer conceives as reality anything that lies beyond the world of bodies in space and time. Certainly, there are those who still admit something beyond the sensible: however, it is always in the form of an hypothesis or a scientific law, a speculative idea, or a religious dogma that he admits this something, so actually he does not surpass that limitation: practically, i.e., as direct experience, whatever difference there is in his “materialistic” and “spiritualistic” beliefs, the average modern man forms his image of reality only in relation to the world of bodies.

>>138997052
Evola was not against technological advancement what he hated was the dehumanizing effect it had. He was a gunner in the war and may have killed people or maybe didnt, that bothered him that you could make even warfare a mechanical routine as he thought wars should be personal. Thats his view on tech in general.

>>138988741
>he thinks you cant hate capitalism and marxism at the same time
dumb american spotted