Why are collectivists so dumb?

>>138979634
YOU WON'T WIN THIS

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>>138979634
>>138979677
i will win, faggots

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>>138979600
Why are indiviualists so stupid?...
We can all go all day.
>>138979634
And so can you, apparently.

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>>138979696
Isn't Clownpiece such a cutie?

>>138979600
It's in their genes.

>>138979600
>thinking ants are the same as humans
>blease tell me this is shitposting and you aren't serious

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Hey, /pol/! Riot!

>>138979775
She sure is.
No images on deck but I agree.

>>138979695
I'd sooner bend my knee to Ulfric Stormcock

>I am a White straight English-speaking Libertarian male who lives in Australia.
>I oppose all collectives, collectivism and identity.

the paradox creeps between these two lines and fucks in the ass

>>138979600
You wouldn't be here without the collective efforts of humanity.
No man is an island. When you grow up you'll realize that kiddy.

>>138979600
>opposes collectivism
>identifies with the collective known as libertarians

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>>138979840
Literally /ourfairy/

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The entire idea of Collectivism is what made Sweden so successful

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Folkhemmet

>>138979947
Where the hell did you get that
Kek

>>138979600
I believe ideologies that value freedom have all the best intention, but are naive towards malevolent forces in the world. It is my opinion that in a libertarian society, multinational corporations and international money power would economically enslave most of the population, and would brainwash the people into revolving their lives around partying/television/celebrity culture/weed/unhealthy sexual fetishes and whatever else is commonly described as "degeneracy".

While I recognize that a free and (morally) healthy society is the ideal, I'd rather live in an unfree but healthy society than a free but toxic society.

Lately I've been looking into paleoconservatism, so far it seems to be a nice middle ground between statism and freedom. I like how it emphasizes certain conservative values, but it seems to "enforce" these more through civil society than the state. I find I have issues with it though since it seems to feature a far too limited government in terms of social security, economy etc. This is where my love of corporatism turns me away. And so continues my search for an ideology I can identify with.

>>138979600
I hate that bullshit too, I work in my father's business and we have 20+ workers, a couple of weeks back they started a strike cause a leftist-commie union leader told them that we were exploiting them with their work, all of a sudden most of workers started a strike and wanted a collective contract

>tl;dr weak people cant think for themselves

>>138979600
Its easier for an individual to fight the collective because when the individual goes down nobody cares but when a collectivist goes down they ALL feel it.
The point is that the next time you fuck with one youre in some small way hitting the overmind too.

>>138979900
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>>138979967
Why did pol become so god damn retarded? his vid is about how successful ants are being a collective his post is being ironic

and he's retarded for thinking ants and humans are at all comparable. fuck everyone is this thread we're at inception levels of retarded here. please kill yourselves

>>138979871
All the individualists in Russia left to contribute to the free world or were exterminated by collectivists, so of course it would make no sense to those who remain.

They're not dumb, they're just weak. Any ideology that promotes victim complexes and denies personal accountability is trash.

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>>138979900
We are individually concluding that it is in our individual interests to express individualism as a group.

>>138979600
true individualism doesn't recognize private property

a true individualist would be apathetic to trespassing and stealing done by other to others

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>>138979967
>sweden

>>138979600
You just posted in your post why collectivism is superior. If humanity was one cohesive collective we could make anything possible.

>>138979600
It was the collectivism of Europe that gave you the luxury to be an individualist. Be a better individual and study history. Learn why a nation can't just be filled with all self-serving pricks.

>>138979600
"Anti-identitarians" or skeptics are the new fedora atheists.
"LOL why are religious people so dumb how could they believe that shit?"

Human beings are collectivist by nature. It is the result of millions of years of biological programming. If you think niggers and spics are going to suddenly become individualistic because they watched Sargon, you're a retard.

>>138980101
>check flag
ignore this poster, doesnt even show his flag, at least read the thread imbecile

>>138980258
is that better beaner faggot

>>138979600
Please don't start a discussion about political philosophy on /pol/, go to /his/.

You will just encounter American political apathy and ignorance.

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>>138980168
Imagine your entire country being an extension to your family and home? it really was like that untill shit went down.

>>138980227
As a British person with British culture speaking English; Sargon should have no trouble converting large religions of Africa to Individualism.

>>138979600
>collectivism is bad
>shows extremely collectivist ants winning against an individual worm

Is this bait?

>>138980372
>That "U dum, I smurt. Y?" shitpost
>supposed to start some sort of serious discussion

>your post
>not equally shitposty

>>138980101
>already wasted time reading libertarian drivel
>expects me to waste more time on a webm to get the joke

>>138980488
Hes being ironic but if you think ants and humans are the same and share the same biological drives than youre a retard

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>>138980101
>>138980488
>>138980176
>>138980258


Guess who cunts!

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>>138979600
>insects whose only purpose is to serve hive are individualist
>worm living alone is collectivist

>>138980421
It wasn't, that shit died with industrialization and we replaced it with this socialist abomination. Which isn't fucking good even without the foreign horde.

>>138980618
go back to rreddit you fucking retard

>>138980326
>being ashamed of your flag
>use autist nazi flag instead
>calls me a beaner trying to act superior
>your only accomplishment in life was born in there
good job amigo, you are retarded fag

>>138979600
>White
>Straight
>Male
Individualism is our way and should continue to be. However, whites adopt collectivism in the face of a common enemy or adversity even if only for the duration of the turmoil. The problem with us is that, due to an individualist nature, we are usually late to the game.
There is a benefit to being late though. When we do show up we're woke as fuck, pissed and merciless.
For whatever reason, our individualism blinds us to the growing collectivism surrounding us but the events of charlottesville and subsequent censorship campaigns show that white collectivism is greatly feared.

>>138980709
Im white youre a beaner /thread
go pick some more limes for me to eat before you get killed by the cartel essay

>>138980565
>I think someone is stupid enough to believe ants and humans have the same biological drives despite the fact they are two entirely different branch of evolution

Is this more bait? I mean if you asked a retard whether this was true or not they would simply say "potato". However they would still not form that opinion.

>>138980421
well shit, now I feel bad

>>138980463
I know you're being satirical but it still triggers me that there are white liberals who gobble this shit up

>>138980565
The point is that humans need to work together to survive, and that having group identity isn't a bad thing. The most successful survival unit has always been the nuclear family, and then the greater extended family/tribe.

Can the free market solve the education issues of America? No, only stable households can

>>138979600
Even if its "just ants" the video is rather a point FOR collectivism.
Are you a fucking strawman or why do you ask such stupid questions?

>>138980049
Palecon's are good.

The issue with individualists is they are unable to perceive that their individual interests can be harmed through a lack collective means.
Trust is one such example. The inability to trust those around you takes a toll on an individual and yet is caused by a lack of a collective.

>>138980842
>has to say he is white for reassurence
Sorry honey but you are not even 56% white, also I bet you dont even have a job, you are fatty and have little titties, but dont be so sad, at least you were born there, right? Also im whiter than you Tyrone

>>138980864
I asked because you seem to think humans are capable of an ants collectivist nature despite the fact that is goes against ours

>>138980918
we do work together. that isn't collectivism. individuals working for themselves (and their nuclear family) will work with other individuals doing to same to progress civilization, I work hard for myself but it also benefits society at large

>>138979600
because humans are not ants

>>138979600
They're scared, strength in numbers.

>>138981087
come mow my lawn for $2

>>138979600
That webm is the perfect counterargument to your thread. Nice work.

>>138979600
Atomized you die, together we thrive.
Fuck off with your ancapistan atlas shrugged bullshit

>>138981235
retard alert
pol is dead

>>138980918
Magic dirt and magic culture my lad.
IF Africans were not predisposed to African culture and instead predisposed to European culture then from the moment of first contract European culture would have spread like wildfire.

*Culture is group behavior*

>>138981124
Society is collectivist.
A sports team is collectivist.

The point is to not be totalitarian in the application of a principle. Both a totalitarian individualism AND a totalitarian collectivism is fucking retarded.

>>138981205
come and suck the father of your wife's son

>>138981128
Humans are not liver cells or blood cells, and yet....???

>>138981411
at that point the term collectivist is pointless. of fucking course we work together and cooperate. of course we come together in societies. that is not what collectivism is

>>138981124
Humans are tribal by nature though. If you look at a tribe as a collective then we are very much a collectivist species. We don't rule the world because we are individually powerful. Though this is increasingly true with technology.

>>138980166
>Forward
literally gommunist propaganda

>>138979600
>Why are collectivists so stupid? Why can't they adopt individualism?
>post webm which shows how collective works and why you might need collective strength
Bait thread. Sage.

>>138981512
ah sorry, I missread what you wrote.

I actually read "why don't they adopt collectivism" therefore my answer was "because humans are not ants"

:))

fuck commies

>>138981636
I would use the word cooperative over collectivist
ants do not care about anything except the good of the hive. they have no individual desires and will do amazing things as a hivemind unit.
humans are self interested. yes in small tribes we'll work more tightly together because we care more about people we know than people we do not, but at the end of the day we still put ourselves and our nuclear family unit ahead of everyone else.

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>>138979600
Collectivism literally is marriage you dumb fuck. Collectivism = 2 or more owners. Collectivism is privatization of multiple owners.How many companies and building got a single 100% owner? Now kill yourself.

>>138981930
the practice or principle of giving a group priority over each individual in it.

for everyone confused about what collectivism is

>>138981514
>that is not what collectivism is

The problem is so many people think it is.
Sargon types label a conscious in-group White preference as collectivist.
'What to keep Britain British? That is fucking collectivism! Just like those ESJAYDOUBLEU's!'

Even when they talk about' identity politics'. Leftist (((professors))) are now on a mission to remove all White identity itself, to revert it back to the nihilistic materialist filth it has become.

>>138981971
So what's wrong giving group something they paid for? Nowhere it says collectivism is for non-owners.

>>138979695
report this furry shit

>>138982043
yeah i noticed in this thread no one seems to know what collectivism is.
sargoy is a retard so id expect nothing less of him

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>>138979600
Because teamwork beats individualism. It's just being pragmatic, goyim. If whites continue trying to be individualistic while the whole world swarms into our countries we will be finished. This is necessary.

>>138982204
Armies aren't collectivism, since they aren't owners of military, they are only employed by military. Collectivist army would be where soldiers own military and are employed in their military.

>>138980166
"Forward" to what?

>>138982204
I have to leave this bread maybe pol
half the posters here are too retarded to know OP was being ironic
the other half doesnt know what collectivism is but thinks they support it
100% should be gassed

It's an IQ thing, they are basically just NPC's, they aren't real individuals like us.

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>>138982360
Progress.

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>>138982348
>Collectivist army would be where soldiers own military

So something like ancient Greece? Ancient Athenian soldiers would split up conquered territories amongst themselves, pretty good incentive for winning the battle.

>>138979600
>Using Ants Aka "My Life is not My own, its for the colony"
Thats some pretty bad example.

>>138982423
Ants are collectivist monarchy, such thing doesn't exist in human world.

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>>138982568
If this is forward, I have to go back.

>>138982698
Im aware which is why comparing them to humans and saying look we should be like this is retarded
such a thing wont ever exist in the human world because we arent fucking ants

>>138982662
Yeah, no, since if they allowed just one private thief/spy, they wouldn't be collectivist any longer, since collective ownership only splits money between collective owners and thief/spy wouldn't be one. Then there's this important part where leader gets more money. So yes kind of collectivist, yeah no.

>>138982423
>half the posters here are too retarded
You may want to leave /pol/ altogether.

>>138980166
"I want To be overrun and destroyed by collective groups so i can Feel intellectually superior"
No ancap mouvement Will ever suceed because your gay ideology is broken at its core

>>138979600
>Libertarian
Allowing people to set up their own collectivist communities is textbook libertarianism you retard.

>>138980101
This, but unironically

>>138982423
I'll avoid playing semantics about what collectivism is. The end result is the prisoner's dilemma. Whites can try to destroy their own identity by trying to be individuals, but the other races won't do that. If you want to survive, you gotta not drop your guard. Fuck, white identity wouldn't even have been a thing of the left didn't push racial identity for the past 6 decades. "This is all white people's fault! Black pride! Fag pride!"

I'm sure being a """skeptic""" really helps in places like south Africa. That should be the canary in the coal mine for us.

>>138982944
it used to be smart though. we'd still argue and there were different ideas promoted but at least most of the people were intelligent. pol is plebbit tier stupid these days. the only difference is i dont get down boated for saying nigger

>>138980636
That's not true, anyone who it's willing to eat the rotten fish for that country was more of a patriot that any other european.

>>138983079
Yeah I'd agree with you here. Im all about saving white people and removing kebabs and niggers and beans

>>138983079
Collective = more than one thing
ownership = you decide rules/laws
Collective ownership aka Collectivism = group of people decide laws of their organization by voting, they also split money among themselves.

What's hard to understand here?

While democratic voting is public voting, since government owns politicians, government buildings, not the voters. Goy just votes for goy provided people, goy doesn't actually neither picks people, television picks people and goy doesn't decides laws.

>>138983408
Really activated my almonds with them semantics fag.
Kill you are self

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>>138979600
>I oppose identity

>I oppose what makes me who I am 50 percent, fuck race language and culture, one race human race blah blah blah
I dont understand all these illogical cucks who bash racism? Whats so bad in racism?
Its nature filtering out the trash we dont want to breed with . Why are yall lefties and libcucks so stupid and so lacking in arguments and intelligence?

>>138979634
kys puta

>>138979600
Fuck you ancap devil. Basically a jew. Selfish ancap mongrel dog.

>>138983652
But did it opened your almonds when i said government owns politicians and government buildings? So ask yourself who's the owner of government, who is this government? Politicians work for government, but are they the owners of government? They aren't, so who's the owner of government? Are you the owner of government? How are your almonds? So if politicians aren't owners of government, since they obviously are bosses of government, not owners and you aren't the owner of government, then who is? The money is, so who's the money's owner?

>>138979600
It's you who's dumb. Your whole ideology depends on people being smart, which most evidently are not.

>>138979600
i heard somalia needs more people like you.

>>138979600
A bit of collectivism never hurts. This where we get nationalism from which teaches you to love what your country stands for and the people who share your culture and values.

In fact, with out this form of collectivism, the Libertarian principle of trusting your fellow citizens to live peaceably with you would not work.

I would however like to see ethnic collectivism die. Stormfags are only feeding identity politics on the left

>>138984605
>Stormfags
So ass blasted you had to bring up your boogeyman.

>>138979600
I consider myselfa libertarian, too. But the past two years or so have really opened my eyes. We can't afford to be individualists when our enemies all group up. The brigade elections by identity, as you see for instance with the Muslim mayor of London. The whites voted policy. The muds voted identity. They will beat us every time like that. Multiculturalism forces people to vote ethnicity and religion. It has always been that way. This is the world the left built.

>>138984983
>Boogeymen
You must be new. All the autists who take this nazi stuff seriously we call stormfags. There might not be many of them, but so long as they keep turning out IRL with tiki torches, MSM will continue to misrepresent this thing of ours.

>>138985319
You can vote whoever you wish if London buildings(which includes schools) are owned by Muslims then you know what's installed for you. Democratic mayor can't tell owners of London buildings that they aren't allowed to be owners any long and can't tell them who to employ.

>>138985841
It makes no sense to argue about the exact definition of ocollectivism because it's pointless. It makes no difference whatsoever in the conversation.

>>138979600
The only kind of collectivists that is allowed to exist is those who are able to play on market terms, raise funds for their cause, cooperate and share help without infringing the rights of others.

That's more like libertarian mutualism, not collectivism per ce.

I actually understand collectivist sentiments, the problem with those people is that they're too weak-minded to figure out the real solution, and instead prefer to downgrade to despotism

>>138985319
That's why we need good, old, market-friendly mutualism

The term "collectivism" is stained by the Communists and despotic societies, so it's not really needed

>>138990869
The free market failed us, wolfowitz, we don't need more of your fake god.

>>138991122
It all boils down to the people in the end, whether they're capable to play fairly, be charitable and raise funds for their common goals. On a universal scale, everything is a market because everything is quantifiable, everything has uptrends and downtrends and everything can be perceived as abstract capital of some sort. So your objection is not an argument. The only issue here is if you should allow the government to be a super agent who takes care of some major things.

>>138981411
>*Culture is group behavior*
Exactly. There's a thing called social norms, it operates on game theory, and they're formed by mutual approval.

The point is, if we take the voluntary basis as granted, then varieties of collectivism can perfectly exist within the individualist paradigm, because in the end, it might be in the interests of the individuals to cooperate for the common goal (by participation or financially). Moreover, individuals can voluntarily subsume their minute needs for the interests of their group, which is also fine

People who are trying to undermine voluntary action by guilt-shaming that that is "not individualist enough" just don't understand voluntarism well enough

>>138990479
>the problem with those people is that they're too weak-minded to figure out the real solution
What's the real solution then?

>>138979600
because it can be dangerous from an evolutinary point of view. Having to live alone 10000 BC means dying fast. So most people still feel the middle of the pack is the safest place. And they try to signal that they think like the rest so there is no reason to cast them out

>>138994637
Mutualism. Tocquevillian voluntarism, he considered ethnocultural homogeneity necessary too.

>>138979600
there's nothing wrong with associating with like minded people, it's even necessary.
The problem arises when the collective tread on personal liberties and you can't opt out from it, at that point no one is truly satisfied by the consensus and nobody feels responsible when shit happens which hinders necessary changes

Teams beat individuals, nations that value unity thrive over those who disallow it, fragmenting a nation is suicidal when your enemies are more loyal to their group that you are to your own.

>>138996623
Government laws are the result of the beliefs and culture around you. Of course, this becomes very mangled when you have multiple races, cultures, and beliefs in one area.
So the gov't making laws doesn't really bother me, because I'd have to abide by the customs of the society I live in. It's the same thing really, getting kicked out of a community or threatened because I broke the rules is hardly separable from a government doing the same.

But, as I said before, multiple differing groups are vying for power. The muslims want women to wear hijabs, the liberals want a welfare state, and conservatives want gun rights. These groups are not compatible under one govt, so the only solution is to have small govt and separated communities (which is organic and happens naturally already)

This is also why I always found ancaps to be autistic, even though I am autistic myself and have been an ancap. You're not being oppressed by speed limits, crosswalks, and firefighters. Focus on more important shit like getting rid of quantitative easing.

>>138997056
I hope all whites and people who lean right understand this. The tribe gives rise to the individual by creating an environment where individualism can thrive. And if you have any knowledge of evolution or biology, it is obvious that individuals identify themselves more naturally as part of the group before any individual identity.

>"I'm a redsox fan"
>"I'm on team Jacob"
>"I don't want one piece, I watch Naruto"

Without a nation, without a people, humans simply replace the hole in their hearts with something worse.

>>138997436
yep ancaps have interesting ideas but their ideas create as many problems as they solve if not more.
The thing is that while the groups aren't compatible governments keep growing and it's certainly not in their plans to let states or communities gain more independence, at least not here.
shit seems unsolvable, at this point I'd rather do my thing even though I could be interested and let it sort itself out

>>138979600

Same here mate. White Straight Male who's a Libertarian living in Australia.

>tfw a good mate of mine has turned into a fascist collectivist anti freedom nut job

What the fuck is wrong with people who aren't individualists?

>>139000550
>Be actively persecuted for race
>Try to stop it
>"Dude stop with the collectivism"

>>138979600
We need something in between individualism and collectivism.

>>139001149
Mutualism.

collectivism is more prevalent in western societies than anywhere else

>>138997436
>You're not being oppressed by speed limits,

Do you know how much fucking time of my day is wasted driving because of arbitrarily slow speed limits? Why should I spend precious minutes of my life going a little slower than what my skill limit allows, because some government faggot told me too?

I can drive from my home to work in 15-16 mins. Yet I have to leave 35 mins before work starts because of speed limits, which other more docile statist drivers follow, and I get stuck behind these cunts for ages on all the bendy roads while looking for a chance to overtake. If I get no cunts in front of me, it's a 15 min drive, cunts in front of me, up to a 35 minute drive. Fuck speed limits.

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>>138984234
Then what do?? Collectivism depends on people being trustworthy, which most evidently are not. That's why individuals should be permitted to own guns so that power is spread more evenly. Look up what authoritarian commie shitholes morphed into?? Their armed forces become corrupt since they belief that they're one nation, one commune, etc but the fact it wasn't! People are still individuals and in that matter, the strong will always seek to exploit the weak.