why won't universal basic income work

It will work and it will turn you into slaves both of the state and your own self.

>>138857534
It could work if you don't mind being in poverty along with most others

>>138857534
Because SJWs will go around protesting 24x7 and never have to do a hard day's work

>>138857534
say you get $200 a week.
say your bills are $750 a month.
that's a total of $50 wasted on your sorry ass.

now repeat after me:
"humanity is so honorable that they would give the money back to the system without a fight."

now slap yourself for lying.

There aren't enough whites to pay for it.

>>138857534
I'm not fond of becoming a slave to whatever organization dispenses the income.

>>138857534
Because only True Universal Basic Income works.

Supply and demand. As supply is increased, Demand falls.

>>138857534
It will destroy the connection between work and reward, sending millennial-type entitlement into an uncontrollable spiral of degeneracy and hedonism

if you live in the US you'll get to see why first hand if you're young enough. the culture is primed for a commie revolution brought to you by pepsi.

>>138857534
>why won't my perpetuum mobile work?

>>138857726
but experiments show that people will work and study more if they receive universal basic income

>>138858030
>It will destroy the connection between work and reward

what do you mean? Working still has the same rewards

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Would failure of all past civilizations who tried it count?

>doesn't count. wasn't real socialism

>>138858136
because of friction
now answer my question

>>138858041
UBI has nothing to do with communism

Blacks already have UBI, free health care, even free housing. Look how prosperous and clean our inner cities are. Look at all those free spirits who are free to chase after high pursuits.

>>138858202
UBI has nothing to do with socialism and it has been tried out in experiments

>>138857534
Human psychology. People need to feel they've earned their place in society or they will be crippled by a sense of insecurity.

UBI only exists where massive natural resources, mainly oil, produce excess tax revenue.

>get UBI
>Cost of everything increases to the point where you can't survive on UBI and people riot because they may have to work
>UBI increases
>Repeat step 2 and 3 into unsustainability

>>138858472
God fucking damn you goyim. Just sign up to Social Security so you can get the draft and give all your money to my friend Lenny so he can make sure you can retire instead of earning any money from your job!

>>138857534
you cannot force shlomo and aaron to get paid as little as mark and andrew, and you cannot make tyrone and muhammad work as much as mark and andrew
it is retarded notiion that misses the fact that people do not work exactly the same ammount in basic positions

The incentive to work and contribute hinder, creating this huge underclass with no influence in further wealth accumulated.

>>138857534
because: who's going to pay for it?

>>138858576
UBI is not meant to replace wages from peoples jobs. You can still have a job and other revenue streams under UBI

>>138858610
experiments have showed that people under UBI work more

>>138858306
>>138858184
>"Experiments"

Citation needed faggot

>>138858763
>my small scale, short term experiments surely will survive

>>138857534
I would like to remind you that "basic needs" for an adult human is various vitamins, water, three walls and a roof, a sanitary hole.
Enjoy your matrix goop once a day and prison cell.
Enjoy trying to supplement your BUI without access to education.
Enjoy surrendering your only mean of subsistance to a vague entity with no obligation to ensure your survival.

>>138858763
still retarded
if someone settle for low end job, with or without basic income he won't work in another place unless absolutely necessary
your entire idea seem to me now like jewish plan to make humanity work for lowest garbage pay, and if someone doesn't like it, he can work more with garbage pay, or even less

>>138858306
>Giving welfare to a small subset of an entire population as a proof of concept for communism

Wow. Glad they're conducing "experiments". I'm sure they will be extensively (((peer reviewed))).

>>138858184
Link to these experiments?

>>138858184
Instead of "work done = money received", the system will promote the model "beating heart = money deserved", which already doesn't work in Europe, where a Gypsy tribe can live off of long-term welfare, because when you pile together 20 people's worth of our de facto basic universal basic income, it becomes possible to live off of it.

Studies show that the 2nd generation of children in those families have lived without having seen a single generation in their family put in any work, which roughly coincides with the end of mandatory employment under Socialism, where not working was a punishable offence.

In short, it won't work because
>it already doesn't work

fucking shortsighted memeflag

>>138857627
So nothing out of the ordinary then?

>>138857659
>veggies refuse to grow because of ubi
>no one will work anymore because no one wants to uphold and maintain the system that puts food on their table
>who eats, right?

>>138857726
>muh work

>>138857812
kys

>>138857860
>>138858408
>>138858642
>does not understand that money is created ex nihilo

>>138857948
>i print my own money

>>138857973
>>138858472
>muh economics

>>138858030
>life offers nothing but the working place

>>138858136
The universe begs to differ.

>>138858333
>it has to be this way because it's always been this way
>what is mimicry and blinded imagination

>>138858481
huehue

>inb4 hurrdurrs
>inb4 commiesocialismstuff
>inb4 no arguments

>>138858763
>experiments have showed that people under UBI work more
this is fake news

Why not live in a cashless society?

>>138858184
>but experiments show that people will work and study more if they receive universal basic income
Because it's a fucking experiment and people are idiots.

>>138859293
>ordinary
Maybe for you.

>Forced wealth redistribution
>Ever working

When will the commies learn?

Like always, the system just self-destructs after the government runs out of money and/or slaves.

It won't work because it's a bandaid on a system that doesn't work.
>government regulates all markets, fucks up wages and prices
>government uses force to pay everyone to correct what they fucked up

I mean come on assholes, quit even talking about this and legitimizing this as a feasible option . It would be a dysgenic feedback loop and create more UBI-dependent, r-selected people. It is fundamentally against nature. No matter how much you want to have empathy and separate us from the world at large, humans are not special and have no right to exist. Existence has to be earned. People who can't afford healthcare are supposed to die etc. The point is make it so more people can afford healthcare, remove regulations and make it so people can easily move into a living wage of their own free will. There's a reason people loaf around on welfare--it's too hard to get a living wage because everything requires some dumb certification and there's too much cheap labor being imported. The ideal situation is all it takes to carve out one's own life is being willing to do so. We have millions and millions of people willing, but can't, and that is 100% due to government intervention and socialism. It has nothing to do with capitalism.

There is not even enough money in one year's budget to have a UBI and even the most basic government expenditures. You could not even reduce govt to a UBI distributor + military. That would still be trillions more than we can afford.

everybody gets universal income
nobody works anymore
no taxes are paid
no money to pay universal income with

How can anybody be so stupid as to not understand this?

Because UBI isn't enough to live on, so we'll just have our current welfare system and then spending even more money on these cretins

>>138857534
Because of your human brain. It is lazy and likes to take shortcuts. "People will work in order to afford luxury goods" = Wrong. Only good looking people with no love for escapism or addictions will bother. Lower tier people will become 100% owned and operated by the state.

Also it does not stop at UBI. You will also never own a bicycle again, nor a washing machine nor a stove. You will "rent" these things to your little 4by4 commie block flat where you live alone with the stuffed remains of your cat that had to be killed to quell "food waste" that could be sent to Africa.
It will be literal RFID NWO hell on earth for your soul.
In closing I would like to say: Fuck Commies

>>138857534
People are motivated to always do better when they see their gain from the performance increases as time passes by.
Now remove the gain.
Now watch it all collapse because no one would give a fuck trying harder for no gain.

It absolutely can work OP. But it's not compatible with a liberal immigration policy, high minimum wages, ect. And there's also the very real risk that the populace votes themselves unsustainable levels of income, or fails to understand the economic consequences, but that's not exclusive to UBI by any means..


If you expect me to take you seriously, answer this, the real question. How should a UBI level be set? Include it's relationship to other welfare and minimum wage.

Here's a hint. If your answer is simply
>based on cost of living.
you are an ignoramus who doesn't know how the fuck inflation works. Dig deeper.
>>138858306
>Tried out in experiments
in places like Switzerland, which is like top 3 in the most xenophobic, hardest to emmigrate to in the world.

>>138859293
Money is a representative of the services of everyone that accepts it.
It's where the real power of it comes from, and also why if you just print more money, it loses value.
When you have most of the population getting money in trade of nothing, you also devaluate it.

>>138857534
We already have universal basic income. It's called welfare.

>>138857534
Where does the money come from ? Why is it a good idea to give away tax revenue to certain citizens (those that don't work) instead of spending those funds on the needs of all citizens (schools, roads, defense, etc.) ?
Just commie doublespeak for wealth redistribution, and dis-incentivation.

>>138857534
We will have to have this conversation in the very near future under the pressure of the automation crisis.
https://www.google.com/amp/www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/2016/09/08/how-can-we-prepare-our-workforce-for-the-automation-crisis/amp/
The Telegraph does a good job at pointing out what will be automated but does a terrible job at coming to a conclusion. 25 to 50 years from now we will need a much higher skilled workforce. One of the big things that is slowing us down right now is no one wants to work. We have 10 open positions at my work ranging from sales to technicians and cannot find people even for even entry level that have the prerequisites or are wIlling to show up more than 5 days in a row. Forcing us to use visa programs to import a work force. We are not talking min wage here and people can't be bothered to show up. UBI will only increase that problem as we are in a strange between time before the storm. UBI at this point is how we end up in some strange dystopia future with walled communities and Detroit every where else.

>>138859293
Kek.
>It will work because I say it will!

>>138860097
that's not universal nor is it unconditional which are both requirements for UBI

>>138859949
its also been tried out in cock sucking countries like holland and canada

>>138860012
people keep working in UBI economies

>>138859293

Why not work, earn money, save/invest, and live comfy off the fruits of your labor? Im a second generation American and my grandparents came here with nothing. Ive worked hard and have a nice home , a nice car, and decent savings for for how and retirement. Im living a better life than the last several generations of my family. Its a great system if youre willing to work hard.

because the corporations that will be taxed to pay for it will relocate to a country where they don't have to pay taxes

>>138860298
Then I'm sure you have even more data to answer the question. What is the correct level of UBI?

>>138860134
>We have 10 open positions at my work ranging from sales to technicians and cannot find people even for even entry level that have the prerequisites or are wIlling to show up more than 5 days in a row.
PAY MORE MONEY
CEO pay growth has been outpacing the common worker for decades. Time to pay up.

>>138860460
This

>>138859390
>>138859132
>>138858919
>>138858841
There are no experiments. OP is a liar and a shill

>>138858296
This. See every native reserve in Canada. All this does is accumulate people in cities rather than have them move to more affordable places

>>138857534
>why won't universal basic income work
because government does not create so it has no business redistributing anything

Government has absolutely failed in it's job of protecting the commons, this needs to be addressed but phrasing it the way the leftists do should make everyone very angry,

government does not create anything so you should not look to them and ask, look to them and demand they perform their function of preserving the commons

like Alaska does but with much wider terms

>>138857534
because it's not the government's job to take care of every need you have

We will have that, it is logical with the transformation of the world. I just don't know when, i think it is too early, but not so much.

>>138860530
Some of these positions are 6 figure. We pay more than competitive wages with euro style PTO and all kinds of benys...
This is an educational and motivational problem.

>>138857534
scarcity

ask your econ teacher about it tomorrow

>>138857534
because nobody would ever work.

I wouldn't.

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>>138857534
Because capital flight is a thing. If i was rich and in a country where they were going to hike up my taxes to pay for all of this i would grab all my shit a leave. Also when you run out of other peoples money to give out how will you pay for this universal income?

>>138860530

Look up say on pay comrad. Every year the shareholders vote on the ceos pay. If shareholders didnt find the ceo to be returning value they could cut his pay.

Instead of being jealous you should develop the skill sets to run a multinational and return value to investors. If it doesnt sound like its easy then you should understand why they are compensated the way they are.

>>138857534
Because we don't even have universal income here, yet people still manage to be a drain on the system and society.

If anything, we need to go the opposite direction. I think it's something like 80% of the population that just need to be put out of their misery.

>>138860821
so you have no applicants? or the applicants you get aren't qualified?

>>138859293
kys, unironically in your case

>>money is created ex nihilo
Money represents value by virtue of our trust in it to serve this purpose. Despite the wealthy-everybody else gap widening, pouring it all into the lower class and the middle (today also lower) class will amount to nothing, since there is no value available for distribution. The principal problem in this is that investment money and consumption cash share the same currency and faggots like you can't tell one apart from the other. The 'widening gap' is just a display error of society as a whole swelling in size and stagnating/falling in wealth.

>>life offers nothing but the working place
from this, 2 things can be inferred:
a) you never comprehended life outside of the city
b) you're an entitled city brat that only ever saw bread on shelves

To drive a car around while you drop breadcrumbs from your gluttonous mouth that you stuff with bigger chunks than you can chew, a whole bunch of people have to put in work to mine the metals and the oil that went into manufacturing, to process the raw materials / refine the oil, to manufacture the plastic panels inside your car and the petrol you're burning, to design the engine you're using, to
>et cetera, et cetera
Put yourself in the shoes of those people: how pissed would you be when the fruits of your labor were handed to some lazy ass who got the money to buy it simply by being a lazy ass who voted?

You need to read what this fine capitalist has to say >>138859639
I may not agree with him on the degree of complete deregulation, but he pointed out one thing that so rapturously strikes vibes with me.
>muh rights
You have no rights. Each time some faggot cries about his rights, or rapefugee rights, men that made those 'rights' roll in their graves. Those rights were brought into existence from the pools of blood shed by white men, and the 'rights' were drafted so that nations wouldn't bleed each other that bad again. You don't deserve them inherently

>>138857534
It could if it's tied at a low percentage of GDP. Otherwise, there is no fucking chance. Property comes with responsibility. Why buy the cow when you can get the milk for free?

>>138857534
Inevitable.

>>138857534
Fuck off kike-fag

>>138860134
>Forcing us to use visa programs to import a work force.

I assume you are importing white europeans instead of cheap brown people

>>138857534
same reason why trading mash potatoes for cookies in the joint does not work, greed will always prevail!

>>138857534
because that's just another way to say communism.

>>138860594
I remember the leafs did some.

>>138859007
This guy gets it.

>>138860960
Both and the ones we hire show up for a few days on the technician side then no call no show. On the higher end like sales there has been a bid war for people over the last decade driving base salary way up due to demand. It has made the market an absolute shit show.

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>>138857534
Because people like you are so full of doubt that you let people keep the wool over your eyes.

>>138859293
>it has to be this way because it's always been this way
>what is mimicry and blinded imagination

What's is pragmatism and empiricism. Since the "Enlightenment" utopian idealists have consistently proven two things:
1. they can't create utopia,
2. they are willing to kill vast numebr sof innocent people trying.

someone has to pay and I don't want to pay for other peoples living. Sure it sounds comfy but will never work perhaps in Iceland or some country with a small population and are homogenous.

>>138861134
Absolutely not. It seams no one understand the goal of communists, abolish the state.

>>138860932
oh fuck up cunt
the concept is the same between attracting top CEO talent and regular salaried talent: pay more money, get more access to the best.

You are a cuck of the highest order, and demonstrably retarded if you think it's OK for CEOs to get paid insane amounts, then import a bunch of cut rate Pajeets to do the regular work. This is why Trump won.

>>138860460
>>138860573
everyone gets a basic monthly allowance unconditionally

>>138860594
canada, the US, switzerland, Holland, india, mexico, kazakhstan amongst others had experiments

>>138861134
people can still earn their own money under UBI

Communist is not socialist at all.

>>138861789
Socialist is just commie-lite

Miss me with that gay shit

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>>138857534
Only way it will work is if reproduction is halted then government approval would be needed, as a universal income limits amount of food, water and other Vital needs. But then you're a slave with no freedoms.

>>138861247
No i don't. Fuck off you leaf.

>>138859223
>End of mandatory employment
>Not working was punishable

Can you pick one, and try to make a bit of sense please.

Ubi threads are soros data mining threads sageand ignore

>>138861095
UK, Austraila, and east Asia.
Very technical jobs, I have been in this industry for 18 years tomorrow. When I was on the install side in my late teens to mid 20s we had issues with illegals but as things have grown more complex that's all but a distant memory. On the electrician side most people coming out of high school now will end up with an associates degree because of prerequisites just to get their Journeyman's card. A big issue on the installers side is they have to compete with state benys and you are producing at a net loss for the company the first 2 years with rare exceptions.

>>138859949
>>If you expect me to take you seriously, answer this, the real question. How should a UBI level be set? Include it's relationship to other welfare and minimum wage.
>>Here's a hint. If your answer is simply
>>>based on cost of living.
>>you are an ignoramus who doesn't know how the fuck inflation works. Dig deeper.

>>138861717
>everyone gets a basic monthly allowance unconditionally

I see what the problem is. It's not that you suck at economics,. It's that parsing basic English sentences is out of reach for you.

>>138859551
and if the slaves are robots?

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>>138857534

>>138857534
Because nobody will ever try it.

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>>138857534
> mfw leftists push open borders and universal basic income at the same time

>>138857534
Why would it?

>>138862029
im swedish and my parents talked english only when growing up so , english is my first language thank you very much

>>138861699
By the state you mean the people?

>>138862176

Of course you're a fucking Swede.

>>138857534
because scarcity of resources still exists.

>>138862140
nixon almost tried it in the seventies but the left stopped it and holland and finland are doing it on municipal level

>>138857534
>food is a basic human right
>shelter is a basic human right
>healthcare is a basic human right
>education is a basic human right
>clothing is a basic human right
>contraceptives are a basic human right
>television is a basic human right
>cell phones are a basic human right
>also, gimmie a basic income
Unless you're suggesting that you get rid of all the welfare programs in exchange, you're bonkers.

>>138858333
Yes because they are fucking stupid. People who can still think other things than consumerism will make good use of that money.

>>138858296
>this is the only thing you need to read.

>>138857534
Without disincentives to have children the Latinos and blacks would massively rape and bankrupt the system. Without incentives to have children the Jews will make less money. Universal basic income will never happen because Jews.

>>138862176
>Swede flying the Swedish flag
Makes sense

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>>138862176
He's swedish.

>>138858184

No the studies shows that literally nothing happens except that people tend to be more lazier.

Universal income is a big hoax Sven.

>>138862324
i am indeed suggesting to get rid of welfare
>>138862412
citation needed muhammad

>>138859293
>inb4 no arguments
>to my epic greentext """arguments"""

die commie die

>>138859736
Holy fuck, wtf do you think you're supposed to do with this money? spend it. or die. Money is just a fancy way of giving out rations.

the only problem is how to automate all the shit that needs to be automated.

>>138862176
So cucked from birth

>>138862474

kek

Who are the Mohammed here?

>>138857534
universal basic income would work- but the people who are forced to pay for it would stop working.

>>138862324
>right=responsibility

>>138861991
Reading comprehension, Norwegian brownskin immigrant.

28 years ago, the obligation to work was abolished, and the shitskins we have here for well over 500 years now returned to building ghettos on the outskirts of cities and being general niggers.

The welfare system provides for families with children, and it provides much less money than your one or Germany's, but when a Gypsess farts out 12+ genetically-shortsighted little snots, the money deemed "necessary for the upbringing of kids" becomes enough to feed all of the family.

It is a proof of concept of a very basic UBI model, and already studies have shown that the 2 newest generations of shitskins think *not* working is normal, and consider their blind, obese asses superior to the white class around them

>>138862324
It's not a basic human right

It should be a right of a United States citizen because we're the best, richest country on Earth.

>>138860298

Please just kill yourself.

>>138862324
None of those things you listed is a basic human right

inb4 "bingo!" you're being a welfare fag

>>138862328
Social policy has to be designed with normal people in mind. Popular enlightenment is not a reasonable expectation.

>>138862324
Universal income is just a different welfare system. and it's supposed to replace it, not sit on top of everything else

>>138862474
So then what would your UBI plan cover? Which "basic human rights" are going to get the "I survived the abortion" prize?

>>138862693
>>138862814
No shit. Learn to read.

>>138857534
it would work better than means tested welfare. States all have tax agencies anyway, means testing is just duplication of shit we already have fuckers doing.

>>138861905
I totally hate communism, but socialism is interesting and can solve a lot of our problems.

>>138857534
it would be great for the vidya industry

encourage the globe to be non-productive. what could possibly go wrong?
inb4 it's only offered in White nations, so we will be getting a few billion new friends who have fuck all to do with their time, so they loiter and are nothing more than a problem-child with idle hands. HOORAY!

>>138862918
perhaps education and healthcare

>>138857534
>give everyone enough money to live on
>why would they ever work?
>workforce evaporates
>no one to Tax to provide UBI
>nation fails

>>138862367
>Without disincentives to have children the less intelligent poor would massively rape and bankrupt the system. Without incentives to have children the intelligent holding the system up will make less money. Universal basic income will never happen because survival trumps altruism.

There now we can start a proper discussion with out the SJW jargon.

>>138862240
Yes, at lest metaphorically, they are globalist scum.

>>138862918
For surviving abortion, you get.

A litter of milk, a nice social security number, and after you turn 18 you get a basic wage pay by the goverment in order for you to not be roaming the streets in order to disturbing the peace.

>>138862987
Wilhelm, we did rank among the top 10 in terms of living standard under the CSSR, but we were state capitalists with a rich arms export and a comprehensive family welfare system entitling a family of <30 year old parents with a kid or two to a small flat

>>138857534
Because it doesn't answer the dindu question. What do you think they're going to do when they have money? As it is now the worst shitheads among them mostly stay at mammy's house all day or prowl their shithole hoods because they have no money. You give them money and they're going to get cars, drive around and cause problems in white areas. It's going to cause even more white flight when whitey realizes he needs to be several hours drive away from the groid to be safe. Pay them to live like kangz in Africa and it can work, maybe.

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>>138857534
>Why won't the welfare state work if EVERYONE is on it?

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>>138857534
>The idea
"Some people starve and that's bad. If everyone earns X dollars a month by default then nobody will have to starve!"

>The problem
Anyone who earns <=X will quit working,knowing that they earn just as much if not more by sitting on their asses. Anyone who earns X + Y will have to ask themselves whether Y is worth trading in for never having to work again. If Y > C [with C being the tipping point where Y is worth less than the free time gained by freeloading], the workers who keep working will be taxed even harder to supply for an ever increasing group of welfare queens. In other words, the value of Y decreases through taxation, meaning that Y <= C for more and more people.

Basic income can only work in an Utopian future where nobody works and machines do all the work for us, but for now that's a distant dream.
>Inb4 "B-But this one guy stated 50% of jobs will be gone in the next 30 years"
Said guy included judges among the ones to be replaced by machines. I'll take a rain check on that.

>>138857534
1. Does the income come from the government?
Yes-
>taxes go up a shit ton

No-
>we all become slaves to the cooperation that provides it

2. Creates a cycle of inflation
>>138858472

>>138862367
>>138863094
>>138863283
Merci bien!

For the rest of the thread, I can just link these posts to counter any point made by the pro-UBI people

>>138862662
>which roughly coincides with the end of mandatory employment under Socialism, where not working was a punishable offence.

>End of mandatory employment
>Where not working was punishable

How about you drag your face away from your cock for 2 seconds and argue the part I've actually highlighted, not everything else. Which was perfectly understandable.

>>138857860
tpbp

>>138863361
What is automation? And not everyone wants to just derp around all day.

>>138863597
There's nothing to argue there. Those two 'highlighted' parts are not arguments to discuss, they are points of factual information providing you with a context for the claim and argument that, with enough money to live without working, the shitskin-class believes you needen't clock in at a job

The main problem with UBI is that it normalizes the idea of all of the world's wealth being inextricably concentrated into the hands of a few. It's essentially turning the keys of society over to the Jew and saying "you won".
Is that really the future you want to live in?

>>138863283
Because it doesn't answer the poor decision maker question. What do you think they're going to do when they have money? As it is now the worst shitheads among them mostly stay at prison system supporters sit in their house all day or prowl their shithole hoods because they have no money. You give them money and they're going to get cars, drive around and cause problems in affluent areas. It's going to cause even more instability in larger areas when the affluent realize they need to be several hours drive away from the entitled poor decision makers to be safe. Pay them and wall of their communities and it can work, maybe.

>>138857534
Think about it. The technocrats want to automate all jobs and replace labor. That will cause mass unemployment and unrest. They will also have massive amounts of people with no spending power, but still have needs and wants. UBI is the best thing to deal with these unemployed masses. They essentially subsidize the entire population, paying large taxes to the unemployed masses that they then spend right back with the mega-corporations. It will create an unemployable underclass with a super rich technocrat elite. It's a living dystopian hell. It robs all social mobility and your life becomes meaningless.

>>138863705
This doesn't change anything. Now the Middle class is just the new Lower class as welfare expands

>>138863705
>What is automation?
Something that will happen, but to what extent it will replace the entire human workforce is questionable.

>derp around all day
Kek, what kind of humans are you dealing with? Humans will find ways to entertain themselves, and the ones that work for fun won't exactly work 30+ hours a week.

>>138863835
>The main problem with UBI is that it normalizes the idea of all of the world's wealth being inextricably concentrated into the hands of a few.
This. Not to mention that it also puts extraordinary amounts of power in the hands of the controlling elite, on whom everyone except the superrich become dependent. Imagine that, a future where dissenting opinions are punished by having your monthly handouts reduced or even frozen.

>>138859327
>>experiments have showed that people under UBI work more
>this is fake news

"Hey guys, we're gonna do a UBI experiment here - if it works well we'll present our findings and implement it nationwide!"

>>138863834
Are you so mentally challenged that you dont see the contradiction in those statements?

Are you trying to say that it SHOULD be punishable to not work?

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>>138857534
It would work only if you shifted taxes from productive, consumptive, and recreational activities to a land value tax as Henry George proposed in Progress and Poverty

What you are taught as "capitalism" results in inequality and inefficiency because it lacks a theory to manage common resources. It doesn't even recognize that there is such a thing as common resources. Georgism corrects this flaw by not only recognizing common resources like land, minerals, water, fish stocks as such, but adds that by managing these resources with user fees, you can get rid of all other taxation and remove impediments to economic development. So under Georgism, regular folk are mostly taxed in proportion to the value of any land they may possess. The vast majority of people would pay a lot less than they currently pay in income, payroll and consumption taxes, but absentee landlords would pay a lot more, and the mortgage business of banks would be an order of magnitude smaller, because land taxes cancel the benefits of homeownership as an investment. The system also discourages the inefficient use of land, controlling sprawl and inefficient farming practices. Housing and transportation costs would be greatly reduced, thus allowing for a greater equality of opportunity. A Universal basic income (UBI) could provide for those unable to work.

pic related is someone trying to evade paying his LVT

>>138863928
>Something that will happen, but to what extent it will replace the entire human workforce is questionable.

We know the extent the question is the timetable.

>>138864222
Sven, I was giving you a timeframe.

28 years ago, socialism in the East ended (including China).

Before that, you could work, or you could refuse to work, and go to prison. There is no discussion to be had there, that's how it was.

After that, a portion of the population left employment/prison and started multiplying, courtesy of "welfare" and "basic human rights"

Do you get the point that I stated facts about how things were to provide context to my point that unrestrained, universal welfare is detrimental to the working spirit?

Why does anyone owe you anything for just existing?

>>138864417
Sounds like the State owning the means of production with a bunch of extra steps. Sort of like we have right now.

>inb4 (((Jewism)))

>>138863077
>education
>healthcare
These two things are optional and incidental. Just handing everyone $200 a week so they can use these two services is more financially irresponsible than anything the US Congress has already pulled out of their collective ass.

>>138861482
Now what's the relationship between wealth inequality and general quality of life? Rich and poor are relative, but if the "poor" live quality lives then it's bitching for the sake of it.

>>138857534
Eventually you run out of other people's money

>>138864705
This would be a legitimate thing to say in the 19th century when the homesteading act was still in effect. But now literally everything on this planet has been "claimed" via absentee ownership. You don't even fucking own anything goyim. Or are you a merchant? Don't be their fucking useful idiot by parroting their bullshit talking points.

>>138863928
No it wont replace everything, but it should replace anything related to basic needs like food ect.

The only real jobs would be customer support and coding of more automation.

Or is there some phantom thing i'm not considering?

>>138864886
there is still dirt cheap land

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>>138857534
let's say in usa you give 250 million people universal basic income, the rest are middle class and rich people. so 250 million people, every person recive 1000$/month, that's 250 billion $ every fucking month. 2,5 trillion per year. so what about taxes? who pay taxes to government ? what about healthcare? and a lot of things. and fucking inflation, the price will rise like hell. and now the biggest problem, the corporations, so they taxes,you think they will accept that? they have people who work and shit, and pay taxes you stay come and do nothing and receive money.

>>138857534

Imagine if a company $20 trillion in debt started handing its employees out paychecks for not working. Seems legit.

>>138864902
Brainlets unironically believe that "thinking" jobs will be replaced last. The reality is they will be replaced first. Following arbitrary guidelines is what computers do best. They are literally designed for it. Knowledge based fields will be the first to be fully automated.

>>138864482
>We know the extent
Not really no. We're having the most optimistic view of the future of robotization. Many believe in 30 years we'll all have robot maids, while others are observing that science is stagnating (example: https://www.forbes.com/sites/richkarlgaard/2011/12/21/is-technological-progress-slowing-down/#3cddc8fe4b45) and that we may soon be hitting the maximum extent of possible scientific progress (for the most radical example, compare how much the world changed between 1850 and 1880 as opposed to between 1987 and today). That, and to really phase out all jobs we need human intellect level artificial intelligence, something that some deem impossible on certain theoretical grounds (see: Chinese room).

The big problem with fields in science that greatly speak to our imagination (such as cloning and automization) is that extremely radical statements get a lot of media attention, when equally outrageous statements would be utterly ignored in less captivating fields of science.

>>138864973
Yeah and none of it is within commuting distance of anything that remotely resembles a job. Or anywhere that the land would be ideal for subsistence farming. And even if you could there would still be those pesky property taxes to worry about.

Jesus Christ. Your lack of self awareness is fucking impossible to wrap my head around.

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>>138864705
Because the state granted land titles to a certain few privileged individuals long ago creating a rentier class that literally siphons unearned income off the productive members of society via ground rents. Natural rights imply man has a right to his labor therefor we must also suppose men have a right to labor someplace. Make a man king or owner of the land it makes no difference as everyone is indebted to him.
>>138864809
>State owning the means of production with a bunch of extra steps

no, you are confounding state owned property with commonly held property. Georgism is a market driven system that lets people bequeath land as the see fit and all prices are market driven. We just use the state as a trustee to collect and distribute the citizens dividend equally among all. Read my picture for more in depth explanation

>>138864581
Got it, your logic is that it dosent work because it works. (and yes my reading comprehension was retarded, but my excuse is that your conclusion was so retarded)

UBI is designed for people who dosent want to work, and clearly its working in your case.

>>138857534
Get a job. Hippie

>>138865227
if you can get a job then why do you need a basic income?
>>138865230
> to a certain few privileged individuals
any idiot could go homestead
>Natural rights
There is no such thing is natural rights

>>138864705
By your logic, I can take any person and make them my slave, after all, you're not worth anything.

>>138863881
>The technocrats want to automate all jobs and replace labor. That will cause mass unemployment and unrest.

The drive for automation is the same drive that Coke had to keep their product at 5 cents for so long. It is competition causing this. Will there be unrest, absolutely. Is it because of automation no, it's because the human collective intelligence is still that of a toddler. There are great opportunities for our species if we could only look up and think larger.

>>138865569
>I can take any person and make them my slave
if they dont shoot you first

>>138865534
I'm not advocating basic income you fucking retard. Read the fucking thread before you jump in for fucks sake. I'm just saying you are a fucking useful idiot for kike businessmen who fund their entire existence skimming off the top of society with usury schemes. It's possible to, by chance, be born into a situation where there is no opportunity to become self sufficient. And this problem will only increase with automation. If you deny that fact you are fucking naive. So are you proposing we just cull those people ?

>>138865277
Thus we can arrive at the ultimate final point in this discussion of ours, and that is that you think this system works, while our society, our study-conducting personnel, and our government over at this end of the Baltic sea think it doesn't work.

It is a moral and ethical question whether it is okay that these people live off of multiplying by a geometric series (not to mention they objectively have degenerated blood with obesity and eyesight problems at birth), and because of the subjective nature of morality and ethics, it is a philosophical impossibility to discuss further

>>138865593
>muh human collective
KYS you hippy faggot.

>>138865864
there is unlimited demand for labor
You just need to eliminate welfare and let wages come down

>>138865230
>no, you are confounding state owned property with commonly held property

>(((We))) just use the (((state))) as a trustee to collect and distribute the citizens dividend equally among all.

Nice try Soros.

>>138865534
>any idiot could go homestead
>could
Show me a place i can go homestead right now >There is no such thing is natural rights
Hoppean bullshit detected

>>138864222
I didn't realize norway let their retards on the internet.

>>138865912
>Human Collective Intelligence =/= Human Collective

I mean as a species we are still equivalent to a Toddler.

>>138866204
>>could
blame your ancestors
>>There is no such thing is natural rights
might makes right

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>>138866124
Soros would lose power in orders of magnitudes if this sort of system was adopted; with all the land he owns either directly or indirectly people like him would be footing a huge chunk of the total LVT

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>>138857534
Because every variety of nigger will demand and vote for more no matter how much you give them to do nothing. Basic income only works post scarcity. With white people going extinct that's not likely to happen anytime soon. The chinks might pull it off, but not before they exterminate everyone but themselves. Basically it's the same reason we can't have any nice free shit. Niggers ruin everything. You have to earn what you get or else you are just inviting niggers to come take everything.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2155726/Somali-family-benefits-handed-keys--2million-luxury-council-home-Londons-affluent

>>138857534
What's the point of work if you can live without it?

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>>138866394
Ancaps are just monarchists that want to hit the reset button; go away.

>>138866664
Who said I was an ancap?

>>138857534
What do you expect it to do?

If this becomes widespread you will never be capable of climbing the social ladder. EVER. Also you'll be denied the right to vote or have any say in anything.

>>138857534
who pays if nobody works?

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>>138866444

truth (see pic)

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>>138866744
well spooked my property

>>138866444
This and checked

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>>138866444
swarmfront plz go

>>138866380
>as a species we are still equivalent to a Toddler.

And what it's your point of comparison? or you just claim that out of the glory of your own butthole?

Well, at the very least, it's better than communism, because demand would still drive production.
But since we're heading towards Africa-Earth, I wouldn't bother imagining it.

>>138857534
If nobody needs to work, who pays tax so that nobody needs to work?

Also
>What is inflation

>>138857534

why won't YOU work?

>>138867182
Inflation is necessary for a healthy economy, goy.

>>138857534
Well it will be universal basic starvation.

>>138867350
inflation is so (((they))) can keep giving out shitty loans

>>138857534

Where does the money come from?

>>138866380
Well, it's been studied, and there's actually not much more nature can do about our brains.
It already consumes ~20% of our energy input and it would go exponentially worse if was to grow more.

Someday we will have 3-d printer drones that will be able to build anything you need, then the material will be recycled by more drones.

Food will be cultured and free as well.

It will go:
Modern currency - universal basic income with bitcoins or something similar - free necessities

Old objects will still require trading, but everyone will be able to live comfortably with drone slaves.

A good thing about universal debit cards with bit coins is that you could only pay for legitimate services and it would prevent money laundering and theft.
It could potentially make investing incredibly easy for poor people too

>>138857534
it will
of course, as most stuff, it's easy to fuckup

>>138857952
Underrated

>>138867239
Because we have universal basic income :)

>>138867504
That's old rhetoric. Let's talk about the death tax.

What if we kept it to the Jew-approved 3% inflation rate, which they don't but which is taught in schools anyway. By the end of a lifetime, all your savings would have been siphoned away to the Jews, eliminating the need to argue about a death tax.

How else are we going to institute Communism? You need to play it from both sides, you putz.

Why introduce UBI instead of stopping the enslavement of chinks, indians and niggers to make your iphones? Can't you pay more for products manufactured in your country that will last you decades instead of buying garbage produced by chinks all the time?
Stop the exploitation of poor desperate factory workers in Asia and the problem of automation will stop being a problem

>>138867577
It won't print your waifu, though.
Because Feminazis will make sure it's unavailable.

>>138867938
That's all due to globalism, run by the same international Communist Jew bankers that want you to accept UBI.

Don't fall for the Hegelian Dialectic.

Simply because nobody is created equal and thus undeserving of equal unified income.

You are what you are worth, income equality is a lie created by marxists to assume control over the masses.

>>138857534
For the government to produce money for ubi, it has to print. The more they print, the lower it's value, the lower the value the higher the cost, everyone has a fuck ton of money now but still can't buy shit. You couldn't tax enough to not go with the aforementioned scenario

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>>138867083
Mostly the glory that is my own butthole.

Meaning in the grand scale of the cosmos humans have been around for such a short period of time. We are stuck on a rock hurtling through space at the mercy of our star and various other things out there that could end us with very little we could do about it. Here we are arguing UBI as if there are only 2 options. People resort to arguments that revolve around an invisible power that's manipulating things to their detriment because they are too terrified to admit it is just chaos and no individual really matters at all.

>>138857534
Somebody has to pay for that. If everyone or even if just the majority just sat on ass because they're getting gibs, who will pay? The filthy Jews definitely won't pay. Because they're Jews. It's also a tool of the Jew to control the goys.
>You don't wanna shove that dildo up your ass, goy? You don't get gibs!

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>>138866989
Eat shit I stand by what I said. By every variety of nigger I don't just mean black people. Every fat lazy piece of shit would take ever advantage they could of UBI's collective forced generosity with a smile on their face while they asked for more. Free shit doesn't work while there is a limited amount of shit. It's a simple fucking concept to understand if you are a rational adult and not a grown child.

>>138867577
This will happen if we don't go down the wrong path. Not in our lifetimes we will get to see the chaos that precedes this start. The whole world is likely to turn into Africa for a few decades to a century first. Until State or Corporate enforced sterilization happens, which it will eventually.

>>138867576
Wet ware. We will one day augment our minds with machines. But that isn't what I was referring to. 20% is 15% wasted energy for half the planet if we are being generous.

>>138863085
BASIC income. It won't be high enough to live comfortably. Why doesn't everyone work at mcdonalds currently? Because they want more than the basic. People will still work to amass more wealth than the basic income can provide. The basic income is a security net which will allow innovation as people with ideas for businesses or products can devote their selves to cultivating those things rather than slave for 40 hours a week at an automation tier job. Only retards don't see the benefits of a society with UBI. We'd see growth like never before due to the luxury of our people being so free to innovate, design, follow their ideas.

>>138857534
ooga booga where da munny come from

>>138868107
This is untrue, I believe that every human part of our human family, our tribe of pure blood is worth the value of a family member, and deserve some amount of UBI to sustain themselves, mainly for sustenance, luxury is another question entirely.

>>138857534
It will just add to our plate, add to what the gub'mint takes from us already. because this is supposedly something everyone will get it will be huge
the only way that idea is comprehensible is to gut every single last bit of all other welfare.
kill off food stamps, kill medicare, kill sect 8 housing, kill it ALL.
Then you can choose what is most important to you with your handout then the gub'mint wouldn't have to chase all the fraud down,it'd be a straight here ya go

>>138868037
Everybody is goin going to be genetically engineered to be super sexy tho

>>138857534
Why would it work? Where will you get the money from to fund UBI?

>>138870175
Tax payers

>>138857534
it would destroy the economy

>>138869657
Capitalist dog

>>138857534

Anyone who says UBI isn't coming is dreaming. Every year we go with the company I work for to machining expos, all the big names are there, HAAS, Makino, Mitutoyo, they show their new toys and believe me when I say this, automation will be in nearly every damn sector in the coming years. Meaning less physical workers needed. What is the norm in communism will be the end of capitalism, and maybe that is a good thing? It also wouldn't be something humanity killed off, it will be a system that died of natural causes. We are the inescapable result of our tragedy here, and yet we find ways to point at each other when the problem is right in front of us.

>>138857534
Its contingent on the assumption that everyone's work is worth more than the agreed upon market price.

>>138857534
Because all white men will spend their cash paying black men to fuck their wives instead of buying food so then the government will have to bail them out sending us further into debt.

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discuss

>>138862918
>"I survived the abortion" prize

My sides

>>138857534
Basic income could work under certain conditions. The point is, if we take the notion of taxation as granted, and everyone regardless of their wealth receives a fixed sum, a lot of people will still try to excel, become wealthier and superior to others, while lazy bums will simply waste their money away on gambling. So basic income doesn't kill inequality, because living off of basic income alone still makes you a pretty poor man, and it's pretty natural for the human kind to be greedy and strive for more.

That being said, basic income is not feasible right now for a variety of reasons. Mass migration is probably the least compatible with it.

>>138869629

People are assholes man, for some the basic needs in life are "luxury" items, this is what some people believe, we live in a world where people screw their own families over for $$, I think it's time that the capitalistic system AS WE KNOW IT finally fucked off, because every 4 to 7 years now we seem to be having problems, and we didn't learn a thing from the last one.

Because all jobs are not automated and resources are still finite. If you give people free money they'll just reproduce until we can't afford it.

Because it will bankrupt a country before too long. It's a central banking scheme to print more money to loan at interest to governments.

>>138857534
who pays for it

>>138857534
And where's that money coming from?

>>138871472
It's a good thing all the feminist are railing for my body my rights. Or as I like to point out my body is not my responsibility. On the way to birth permits masquerading as coverage options pushing mandatory abortions. Can't say part of me doesn't slightly agree with this.

>>138872371
Feminists protest circumcision and FGM every day, just like the protest abortion. They're truly your best ally.

>>138871252
Haven't had capitalism since the new deal.

>because every 4 to 7 years now we seem to be having problems, and we didn't learn a thing from the last one.

4 to 7 years hmm I wonder what could be causing that. Keep digging...

>>138871536

Technology will, again you guys are missing this out of your equations. Say what you want about Elon Musk, but as someone going to college for manufacturing technology, there will be abundance soon, people will have everything and yes that includes a roof over your head and enough to survive on, technology will get us there. Things are becoming cheaper and cheaper to make, and it has got nothing to do with labor, which is a good thing. There will be no money to be made in the next 50 to 80 years when it comes to selling basic trinkets, it is meaninglessness. The problem is we have our schools controlled by liberals who are against technological advancements just as much as the republicans are. There is 50 art classes at my college and like 8 engineering classes, that should tell you something.

/rant

>>138860134
>people don't want to work for the shit wages + unrealistic prerequisites for an entry level job so we're "forced" to import workers
>that wasn't our plan all along
ask me how i know you're a lying piece of shit
also kys

>>138872524
>Feminists protest circumcision and FGM every day
That's news to me, but my bullshit could be broken stranger things have happened.

>They're truly your best ally.
KEK
When they realize what they have done the salt and butthurt will be legendary. I really don't want the government having control over who breeds. That is power to easily abused.

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>>138869029
>Proof?
All what you said in actual practice is is just rebranded communism. So sans post scarcity enjoy your gulags and mass starvation. Because that's what happened every time it's never been done before in the past.

>>138871252
Ah, I see you're starting to learn the difference between (((capitalism))) and capitalism. Neither of which is viable in the long term.

>>138857534
Because there are a significant number of people who would be happy to live in squalor while never having to lift a finger. Have you ever happened to drive through the ghetto during the work day? Last time I did was when my sister had a white baby and I cut out of work early to see her at the hospital. Funny how hospitals are always in the middle of ghettos.

>niggers hanging out at the bus stop
>niggers hanging out in front of the barber shop
>niggers hanging out in front of the corner store
>playing basketball

For every 1 person that benefits from UBI and actually does use the opportunity to improve their life, there will be 5 worthless niggers sucking up other people's productive efforts. The critical mass is probably less than 50%. I'd guess only 1/4 to 1/3 people leeching off UBI would cause society to break down.

because everyone will stop working.

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>>138873136
>people don't want to work for the shit wages
36-45k a year starting is not shit. 10 years you will be in 6 figure territory

>unrealistic prerequisites for an entry level job so we're "forced" to import workers

Having enough of a background in Math is not a ridiculous prerequisite. You have to be able to learn to write code.

We have to import engineers because our university system is failing.

Ask me how I know you have no real world experience. I thought summer was over.

>>138857534
I really hope they implement this, because as far as I've seen the main argument for it would be the elimination of social programs. Instead of welfare, medicare and all of that, you get $2000 a month. Period. For everything. So from a conservative point of view it would be a great idea, and probably save a lot of money once you eliminate social programs. The best part of it is that it's generally a liberal idea that is totally going to backfire into their gibs.

>>138873433

Yes, and that is why we need to meme this shit into fruition and I hope the daily threads continue on this.

>>138872663
oy vey

>>138874192
No they wont. People who have no faith in humanity like you should have no stake in debating political ideologies.

>>138857534
It's essentially capitalism on life support and what will stop businesses from simply increasing prices?

>>138874395
Social programs should stay.

>>138874600
We need regulation of the market to prevent this.

>>138874395
I wonder what the dividend would be per adult if you just split all the gibs and salaries from gibs agencies equally?

>>138874747
But that eliminates the free market hardcore capitalists want since it must involve some government control over the economy.

>>138874584
Take off that flag faggot. It's pretty clear that a large portion of the American population wouldn't work. Just look at the situation now with welfare and food stamps.

It wont work cos inflation. More money for plebs - prices rise - UBI loses value - guvmint increases UBI. Repeat until inflation runs out of control, or guvmint imposes price controls, which causes business to close. Welcome to Venezuela.

It's a great idea but because of human nature it simply cannot/will not work. Spending money is not like the land give-aways in the American Midwest where land was free but needed to be worked for the person to gain a profit and thrive.

There would be a boom in the black market, fraud, and god know how many deaths from opioid addiction.

Like I said, love the idea but the ripple effect would hurt more than help.

>>138874318
>muh stem shortages
>why are the goys not throwing themselves at our below market value wages
>we must not have enough capable engineers
kek

>>138874879
So what? Capitalists are dogs and adversaries to humanity.

>>138874903
Why would I take off the flag? And who are we defining as American here?

>>138857534
You can't increase a country's GDP by giving money away.

>>138874657
I think social security should stay, but honestly most social deficits can be traced to a lack of jobs. I think the money saved by eliminating food stamps for instance, switching to UBI, and increasing capital gains taxes, closing tax evasions, and playing hardball against the corporate greed in America would be enough to finance a multibillion dollar job program. The other thing that's needed is to drop the income tax to 15% maximum for people making under $120k.

>>138857534
>implying that
>gays
>traps
>women
>feminists
>millenials
>will work

>>138875509
They don't work now, what's the difference?

>>138875280
You can if You're part of the club that owns the Federal ReJew Bank and decides how and what to measure so your Jewish friends in the JewStream Pissmedia can report how great everything is while you relax and let your Mohel chow down on his morning breakfast of your son's foreskin.

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>>138871697
>A jew owned printer.

>>138875058
>muh stem shortages
Are real but it is compounded by the fact you have to be cross discipline.

>why are the goys not throwing themselves at our below market value wages
Building automation with an emphasis on hvac controls has seen large gains in wages over the last decade.

>we must not have enough capable engineers
We don't the industry is growing faster than we have people coming out of universities. There is a lot of competition for mechanical and electrical engineers

If I can durvive off of a basic income you're not going to convince me to do a dirty job. No one has a sewage treatment plant as a hobby but its vital to civilization.

>>138875280
It's not about increasing GDP it's about fairness to the tribe, we need to think in tribal terms, racially speaking. With a regulated market there will be no economic bubbles, and there will be affrodable living standards for everyone who is part of the tribal family. With UBI we can establish a basic form of income that will allow people to live affordably and be as free as any other economic class of people. Capitalists pervert ideas of freedom to enslave others, and then tell us it was their choices that resulted in their poor quality of life when it was really a wretched capitalist system of hording and market minipulation. Even if GDP increases it is the wealthy upper class that sees a disproportionately more amount of that increase in GDP for less work.

>>138857534
The money for it does not exist. Napkin math it.

>>138875140
I know, I hate capitalism but UBI was designed to prolong the life of capitalism.

>>138876477
Commitment to the tribe of one's own will will drive people to work in the system. If there are people who want society to continue there are people who will work joyously. It is belief in the tribe and the glorious fair system that will cause them to work.

>>138857534
If it would work after we kill 90% of un-needed people, would you support it?

>>138876681
It should be used for the purpose of sustenance.

>>138859944
A thousand fucking times this.

>>138876780
I don't care who's tribe it's for I'm not going up to my neck in shit for any one. It's communism relabeled something else. I have no reason to work more than to survive, I will not work as much for someone else as I will myself.

>>138876899
At that point actual socialism may as well be used rather than just life support capitalism.

>>138877383
>I have no reason to work more than to survive
So you have no love for anyone else but yourself? What race are you? You're part of the problem.

>>138877537
I am proposing socialism for the race.

>>138877663
And you're a communist larping under a Nazi flag. People do the minimum they can get away with to have what they want. You're not going to convince people to be garbage men if they don't have to be.

>>138862057
Who will mine coal to produce electricity

>>138857534
Goverment's can't simply pay for it.

Right now in my country if you're without work and need assistance you get like 952 USD before tax, and you have to work like 35 hours, it's way way way below the minimum verge that is around 16 USD and you have to work you can't just stay at home.

Unless of course, you're a single mother or gangster, then you get shit ton of free stuff from the government.

UBI could work under NatSoc , but not the government shit we have no that believes in globalism and open borders.

>>138877888
>You're not going to convince people to be garbage men if they don't have to be.
Not true.

>And you're a communist larping under a Nazi flag.
I'm not a Communist because I believe in the right to private property, fool.

>>138878261
>I believe in private property
>The government should take away people's money and give it to people who don't do any work

Pick one. Either I earn my money and I'm entitled to it as a private entity, or the government owns everything I earn and gets to decide how much I keep and someone else keeps.

>>138857534
You know what they call cells in your body that consume resources without contributing anything to the body? They call that cancer. You. Are. Cancer.

>>138878490
Nope doesn't work like that dummy, private property is ownership of your belongings, money is a different concept.

>>138859742
Somehow a Canadian posted the right answer.

Ancient Egypt backed its currency with barley, because barley couldn't be grown in Egypt. High School economics.

>>138878490
UBI almost seems inevitable, one day capitalism will reach its apex. So either a lot of people are gonna have to die and riot because their not needed anymore or you can use UBI and keep things smooth.

This is exactly what Hitler talked about with his NatSoc platform, he didn't want people just to be born to be cogs and discarded when not needed being slaves to the Jewish financing system.

When all the low skill labor is replace by automation (robots) it will almost be necessary to have a "universal basic income".

But people who live off of that shouldn't be allowed to reproduce.

>>138876356
stop your double speak. there is no stem shortage. i see engineers all the time who are having a hard time finding work. you're just mad because the market is not flooded enough for you to pay shit wages.

>>138857534
Because some people have to have more than other people. It is very important to them that they have more money, power, women, pets, stamps, etc. than someone else and so they choose to work hard to be better than others in their chosen arena. Universal income closes the gap between them and the poors so they don't feel as special. Since it's only these type of people who seek power they also are also the lawmakers.

>>138879060
even if robot labour replaces everything you will still have to pay for it. If you can't you will need a second tier economy to earn money to buy things with. You just create a rich economy and a poor economy

>>138878800
If you do not own items you physically posses like coins and notes then what do you own?

>>138881074
Your belongings.

>>138882065
So I can come and take your money and it isn't thief. Genius! You don't own it so you can't complain if I have it.

>>138857627
Not a bad alternative to being a slave of a corporation.

>>138857534
Because the moment you give it, I ain't doing shit anymore.
Same with everyone else.
We will get bored and start killing each other just to get us out of this bored hell, have no fear of death, rather want to die.
Go ahead. Give us UBI. I want to see this motherfucker burn.
>DO IT FAGGOT!!!

>>138860530
No desire to train people nor are the positions so important that getting someone to fill them is a high priority. Also, you're probably offering below market rates.

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>>138863085
The only way to sustain an economy is to threatens people with destitution and hunger. Maybe it's time for a rethink.

>>138879136
>stop your double speak. there is no stem shortage.
Sources?

>i see engineers all the time who are having a hard time finding work.
You mean my limited personal experience invalidates your points because reasons.

>you're just mad because the market is not flooded enough for you to pay shit wages.
Would settle for enough people to complete the jobs I sell.

>>138876477
Maybe you don't do a dirty job. Maybe you start your own business or pursue a passion project.

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>>138857534
It would work splendidly. UBI is simply taxation of robot labor. Without UBI a large segment of the population will become unemployed and starve to death after implementation of widespread automation.

>>138861134
>implying the plebs don't already love Communism

It's been a license to steal for a century now. Wake the fuck up.