/pol/ communism general

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Hello gomrades! XDDDD Dis general is for disgussion of margsism-lebonnism, da ideology of revolutionary socialism and gommunism.

Gommunism is da next stage of guckery following real society.

Wat exagtly is gommunism according to gommies:

>Gommunism is a stage of guckery in which the produgtive infrustrugture runs away from gommie country, and no goods are produced and beeple starve. XDDDD
>Gommunism in full form is obressive, statist society dat follows maxim "gib gib gib!" :DDDD
>To achieve gommunism we must replace broduction with murderous obressive rulers liek me, fug working glass beeple. XDDDD Struggle while I liquidate you all lol. When capitalists run away we win and I kill you all. Eventually the functions of state cease and state becomes murderous and indistinguishable from other gommies. Da state withers away liek da people.
https://www.gommies.gom/fug/
https://www.gommies.gom/starve/

GL uses philosphy of gib and starve, see here:
https://www.gommies.gom/ohfugme/

It is recommend you kill yourself so you can avoid starving.

Resources:
https://www.gommies.gom/ohshid/
https://www.gommies.gom/1984/
https://www.gommies.gom/guck/
https://www.gommies.gom/probaganda/
https://www.gommies.gom/XDDDD/
https://www.gommies.gom/wheresfood/
https://www.gommies.gom/benis/

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Da sdages of gommunism.

>Sdage one
Bourgers aren't allowed to vode :DDD but otherwise da system is digtadorshib of gommies. Everything is stole by digtadors and digtadors rule all.

>Sdade two
Withering
All beeple who aren't digtador glass starve. XDDD Once glass disabears and we steal everything more beeple wither away. Bolice begome unnecessary as beeple are dead lol :DDDDD Central blanning begomes unnecessary begause sgarcity caused starving. Money is all ours.

>Sdage three
Gommunism.
No beeple. No food. My money. Much benis.

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>>138849166

communism is a great system... for ants.

for people? not so much.

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Steaming hot, from antifa's twitter.

>It was when the old man died and his heirs took over. There were three of them, two sons and a daughter, and they brought a new plan to run the factory. They let us vote on it, too, and everybody—almost everybody—voted for it. We didn't know. We thought it was good. No, that's not true, either. We thought that we were supposed to think it was good. The plan was that everybody in the factory would work according to his ability, but would be paid according to his need.

>What's whose ability and which of whose needs comes first? When it's all one pot, you can't let any man decide what his own needs are, can you? If you did, he might claim that he needs a yacht—and if his feelings are all you have to go by, he might prove it, too. Why not? If it's not right for me to own a car until I've worked myself into a hospital ward, earning a car for every loafer and every naked savage on earth—why can't he demand a yacht from me, too, if I still have the ability not to have collapsed?

>It took us just one meeting to discover that we had become beggars—rotten, whining, sniveling beggars, all of us, because no man could claim his pay as his rightful earning, he had no rights and no earnings, his work didn't belong to him, it belonged to 'the family', and they owed him nothing in return, and the only claim he had on them was his 'need'—so he had to beg in public for relief from his needs, like any lousy moocher, listing all his troubles and miseries, down to his patched drawers and his wife's head colds, hoping that 'the family' would throw him the alms. He had to claim miseries, because it's miseries, not work, that had become the coin of the realm—so it turned into a contest between six thousand panhandlers, each claiming that his need was worse than his brother's. How else could it be done? Do you care to guess what happened, what sort of men kept quiet, feeling shame, and what sort got away with the jackpot?

>When all the decent pleasures are forbidden, there's always ways to get the rotten ones. You don't break into grocery stores after dark and you don't pick your fellow's pockets to buy classical symphonies or fishing tackle, but if it's to get stinking drunk and forget—you do.

>Any man who tried to play straight, had to refuse himself everything. He lost his taste for any pleasure, he hated to smoke a nickel's worth of tobacco or chew a stick of gum, worrying whether somebody had more need for that nickel. He felt ashamed of every mouthful of food he swallowed, wondering whose weary nights of overtime had paid for it, knowing that his food was not his by right, miserably wishing to be cheated rather than to cheat, to be a sucker, but not a blood-sucker. He wouldn't marry, he wouldn't help his folks back home, he wouldn't put an extra burden on 'the family.' Besides, if he still had some sort of sense of responsibility, he couldn't marry or bring children into the world, when he could plan nothing, promise nothing, count on nothing. But the shiftless and irresponsible had a field day of it. They bred babies, they got girls into trouble, they dragged in every worthless relative they had from all over the country, every unmarried pregnant sister, for an extra 'disability allowance,' they got more sicknesses than any doctor could disprove, they ruined their clothing, their furniture, their homes—what the hell, 'the family' was paying for it! They found more ways of getting in 'need' than the rest of us could ever imagine—they developed a special skill for it, which was the only ability they showed.

>God help us, ma'am! Do you see what we saw? We saw that we'd been given a law to live by, a moral law, they called it, which punished those who observed it—for observing it. The more you tried to live up to it, the more you suffered; the more you cheated it, the bigger reward you got.

>The guff gave us a chance to pass off as virtue something that we'd be ashamed to admit otherwise. There wasn't a man voting for it who didn't think that under a setup of this kind he'd muscle in on the profits of the men abler than himself. There wasn't a man rich and smart enough but that he didn't think that somebody was richer and smarter, and this plan would give him a share of his better's wealth and brain. But while he was thinking that he'd get unearned benefits from the men above, he forgot about the men below who'd get unearned benefits, too. He forgot about all his inferiors who'd rush to drain him just as he hoped to drain his superiors. The worker who liked the idea that his need entitled him to a limousine like his boss's, forgot that every bum and beggar on earth would come howling that their need entitled them to an icebox like his own. That was our real motive when we voted—that was the truth of it—but we didn't like to think it, so the less we liked it, the louder we yelled about our love for the common good.

>What good would our need do to a power plant when its generators stopped because of our defective engines? What good would it do to a man caught on an operating table when the electric light went out? What good would it do to the passengers of a plane when its motor failed in mid-air? And if they bought our product, not because of its merit, but because of our need, would that be the good, the right, the moral thing to do for the owner of that power plant, the surgeon in that hospital, the maker of that plane? Yet this was the moral law that the professors and leaders and thinkers had wanted to establish all over the earth. If this is what it did in a single small town where we all knew one another, do you care to think what it would do on a world scale?

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>>138849260
Everytime.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K9CbgexJLK8

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>>138849260

Every fucking time someone is faster than me

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>>138849929

Nice graphic, Gomrade, show me one communist country ever that allowed their people to own guns.

I'd like to stick around and watch you get humiliated for the next hour or so but I've got to get some work done today. You should try it some time instead of sitting on your arse waiting for daddy government to give you free shit.

>>138849260
/thread

>>138849929
>"those who work in the factory run the factory
>they know literally 0 about engineering or logistics
>factory goes to shit
sadly Marx knew very little of how a factory actually works.

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>>138849166
Marxist bullshit is the definition of politically correct, so you can take this conversation back to you know where as leftypol is not a real thing.

Sage.

>>138849541
You know all of antifa's members are otherwise completely unproductive useless members of society when this is how they spend their time.

>>138849929
>Factory burns down because it's run by people who have no skills and no interest in the success of the factory
>No financial incentive for any individual to rebuild the burnt down factory, and anybody capable of organizing people and leading the charge to get a new factory built left the country long ago for fear of being capable of 'upsetting' the regime
>No factory to produce goods means a shortage of goods
>Everybody suffers

>>138851073
not how it works at all.

>>138851216
Then why has every single attempt at communism been a total failure in the best cases, and a homicidal totalitarian regime in the average cases?

>>138851366
that isnt true?

>>138851366
>inb4 "muh wasn't real communism"

Also, forgot to mention, sage has been going in every field.

Governments are the blind leading the blind. Without God, corruption is inevitable. With corruption, the downfall is inevitable. The will of God alone determines everything. Nations that tolerate usurers and the Synagogue of Satan cannot rescue themselves without winning the grace of God.

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>>138851469
Name one time that hasn't happened or gtfo.

>>138851562
to be fair Cuba would be doing OK if it wasn't for your commercial blockage.

>>138852259
Or if they allowed people to freely leave. Or if Castro wasn't hoarding all the money, which is exactly what happens in all communist regimes. Of course people want equal wealth, until they're the ones holding the wealth. If communism is an even remotely defensible idea, why do they have to prevent everybody from leaving, why does criticism end up forbidden, why do all of the intellectuals end up getting murdered, and why does the party end up with all the money and the people end up with all the poverty? Oh wait, I think I just answered those first two with the second two...

Can I own my own small business in a communist state?

>>138849166
>Marxism-Leninism teaches us that we must replace the capitalist state, which is controlled by the capitalist class
There's no such thing as a "capitalist class" you asswipe. If you're gonna shitpost at least do it right.

>>138853537

Communism is stateless, and moneyless, you must be referring to a socialist state, where bourgeois activity is forbidden so you won't be allowed to have employees, you will be able to work in cooperative workplaces where everybody get according to how much labor they socialize by using labor voucher system

>>138853757

the class that privately own the means of production to exploit workers for profit

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>>138852748

>>138853928
So I'm not allowed to have employees for my small business? Why would I want this again?

>>138854170

why do you want to exploit workers?

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Hello fellow commies. I love you comrades. Let's go jump off a cliff together

>ideologies

>>138854246
How am I exploiting them if I pay them a fair wage the same they would be paid in a social labor voucher system?

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>>138854265

>>138854468

labor voucher are not money

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Labour_voucher

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>>138849166
Comrades, it is time to abandon Marxist-Leninist thought and join the only functional side, Dengism.

>>138854468

there is no such thing as a fair wage, you always pay them less than they are worth, and take a surplus out of that

>>138854556
so you wouldn't even pay them? And you would say I'm exploiting them lol.

the only good communist is a dead communist

>>138854627
How am I paying them less than they are worth? Are you going to pay them more?

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>>138854601

>>138853404
how mentally ill do you have to be to actually believe this?

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What is the official M-L line on sexual jihad and white genocide?

(asking as an ardent practitioner of both)

>>138852748
Exaggeration much? Castro was rich but wasn't exactly holding all the wealth.
>All intellectuals get killed
Nobody gets killed unless they get implicated in something like treason or espionage. Not ideal, but not as bad as said.

>>138853928
wait, who will administrate & organize the cooperative?

>>138854918

the workers democratically, instead of a board of directors like in capitalism corporations

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>>138854137
>>138853404
>>138854137

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>>138849166
Get on your knees. Pray. It's coming. No sanctuary for commie trash.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jj0v5Z5Z7Fs

>>138855010
and how will workers schedule the full material flows in the factory? How is quality going to be assured? How are stocks going to be managed? Who will design the optimal manufacturing process?
A factory needs people dedicated full time to decide these things.
t. engineer.

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>The Communist Party of the United States, or any successors of such party regardless of the assumed name, whose object or purpose is to overthrow the Government of the United States, or the government of any State, Territory, District, or possession thereof, or the government of any political subdivision therein by force and violence, are not entitled to any of the rights, privileges, and immunities attendant upon legal bodies created under the jurisdiction of the laws of the United States or any political subdivision thereof; and whatever rights, privileges, and immunities which have heretofore been granted to said party or any subsidiary organization by reason of the laws of the United States or any political subdivision thereof, are terminated: Provided, however, That nothing in this section shall be construed as amending the Internal Security Act of 1950, as amended [50 U.S.C. 781 et seq.]
(Aug. 24, 1954, ch. 886, §3, 68 Stat. 776.)


>https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/50/chapter-23/subchapter-IV

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