Dear conservatives, why are you against abortion on demand?

>>138828903
There Retarded

>>138828903
Dear donkey,
Why are you against personal responsibility

>>138829190
Why are you against personal freedom?

>>138829190
yes, it makes sense for me to be forced to have a baby as a 16 year old single mother because I made a mistake that is commonly made.

>>138829234
>democrat
>pro freedom
are you fucking baiting

>>138829411
That's not an answer

>>138829234
>the personal freedom to murder a child
do people actually believe this?

>>138829528
>A child?

Good job you already lost. With muh feelings.

>>138829190
your an idiot if you think its deserved for a kid to have a shitty life because he was born into a family that wasnt ready for him

thats not just personal responsibility, you hurting the kid too

>>138829190
I'd rather someone who is not ready to raise child not bring them into the world

>>138828903
>Most abortions in the US are done by black women
You mean that Abortion sends black babies to Satan faster?

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>>138828903

>>138829754
Whatever works my goy

>>138828903
We obviously are okay with it if it's only minority babies.

>>138829842
White people are a minority globally so I agree as well

>>138829616
i lost because muh morals? what an incredible argument, how did i never consider that morals are only useful until they inhibit your desires. you have truly opened my eyes

>>138828903
>Abortion sends babies to God faster
That's not even how it fucking works. They would have to be baptized to go to heaven, which they can't if they're dead.

>>138830033
You already lost retard. Abortion is legal and will stay so.

>>138830033
Morality is relative.

Why would I be against the largest killer of black babies?

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>>138828903
Because it's murder of a person. And currently punishable if you cause a woman to miscarry if you assault her. It doesn't suddenly not become murder just because a woman consents to aborting it.

>>138830249
Yeah it does. It's considered murder because if you cause her to miscarry it's against her will. Abortion isn't against her will.

>>138830061
>have to be baptized to go to heaven
lol

>>138830064
just because it's legal doesn't mean it's right. slavery and child labor were legal, does that make it right?

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>>138829897
>globally.
Spearchucker detected.

>>138829324
>commonly made
No, you're all wrong. Stop normalizing unethical behavior. Your answer to one unethical behavior is to double down?

Well, at least it's in line with democratic party behavior.

>>138830383
Why is it considered murder if it's a clump of cells?

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>>138828903
I'm not.

>>138830580
I was talking about late term abortions. I agree with you on the clump of cells.

>>138828903
Frankly, I don't really care if people have freedom from their kids or whatever, I just don't want pregnant-at-17 in the fucking gene pool.

>>138829190
The reason I'm "against personal responsibility" is because women will get abortions even if it's illegal. They'll use a coathanger if going to a doctor isn't an option.

This happens in every country where abortion is illegal.

>>138830249
considering it's just cells, it's not actually murder of anyone.

>>138828903
I'm kinda split on the abortion issue but I can formulate my strongest attack against abortion and I think all conservatives will agree with this.

Abortion is a cop out. Often women say "they're not ready" or that "they don't want a child" but maybe it isn't a matter of their will. Maybe they're are truly ready to have the child but they still don't know it because they haven't hold the baby into their hands.

And maybe it is what they ultimately need to grow up, nowadays women wait well into their thirties to "mature" and be "prepared" but I bet they'd grow up the instant they had a baby feeding on their chest. Women don't choose when they get menstruation and they turn out ok, nature doesn't ask them first if they're "ready".

Oh boy if it turns out there are hormones to delay menstruation and women get to choose when to have it, it's gonna be peter pan and the magical country where nobody grows up. Men need women to grow up first so they take on responsability. Society is already fucked up with a generation delaying responsibility during their 20s. Just imagine the damage that the new generation will carry, a generation raised by desperate mothers in their 30s that don't know how to parent, you add the new cell phone technology and the result is a generation infested by narcisist that can't stop looking at their phones for more than 30 secons.

Demonizing religion has had a big role in this selfish nihilist way of thinking. The church says don't use contraception and have kids because that's the natural way to go, long relationships are supposed to bear fruit naturally, humans have never decided to "have a child" during their existence untill 50 years ago.

TL:DR -> Abortion is a symptom of the culture of irresponsibility of our society.

>>138830580
because that's all their brains are: a tiny clump of cells
so they feel skeered that someone might remove their tiny cancerous cell clumps they use to be retards with

>>138830573
yes, teen pregnancy is apparently not a common issue. you're fucking retarded.

>>138828903
>literal death cult logic

>>138831114
it's a joke you fucking moron

>/pol/ claims to be a Christian board. If you argue against Christianity people start spouting Bible verses and acting like fundamentalists
>Every time there is a topic on abortion 99% of people agree with it

Why do people pretend to be faggot Christians on here? That's so fucking gay.

Like, if you were going to troll and wanted to offend people on here, you would have better luck claiming to be antifa.

>>138830061
>muh religion
>muh holy book that doesn't have any proof of it being real at all

>>138831164
>hahaha, murder is a joke.
>more death cult logic

>>138828903
If it wasn't for abortion I'd have like 30 kids

>>138828903
Abortion should be compulsory for niggers.

>>138828903
Because I don't seek to parse what humans do and do not have human rights, like Democrats do.
The unborn have a right to life.

It's only murder if you say the fetus doesn't want to die, which you can't.

>>138829324
It absolutely does, you goddamn stacie.
>But dad, I want to normalize murder!
no

>>138831607
>killing you in your sleep isn't murder

>>138828903
Why do dems care about MUH BODY MUH RIGHTS but don't care about the bodies or rights of infants?

>>138831519
yes

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I'm not. In fact I strongly favor abortion and eugenics. Mostly because I also think Jesus Christ was a fucking faggot. You see, christfaggotry means nothing to me so stupid moralistic crap doesn't get in my way.
Thus I'm able to see abortion for the blessing it is. A means for sluts and other human refuse to spare us the trouble of dealing with their mistakes.

Anyone contemplating abortion as an option has no business bearing their defective offspring anyway.
YOU KNOW HE AIN'T GONNA DIIIIIIIEEEEEE!

>>138831607
Yeah, I hate vegans, too

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>>138831838
>I am not Christian so I don't believe in human rights and am a self-interest utilitarian

Checks out.

>>138829234

Freedom deserves responsability above all.

>>138828903

I'm not against them.
If for some reason my protection fails and my gf gets preggers its either abortion or she can raise it on her own.
I want to live childfree.

>>138831740
you're a fucking moron.
why would you rather have the mother give birth when she's a single parent and wouldn't be able to even afford the kid and end up raising him to be some awful kid.

>>138832043
Maybe we should stop this wave of "sexual revolution" and encourage women to have long meaningful relationships again instead of casual sex.

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>>138828903
so by your theory if we kill you and all your friends and every alt left fuck who is ruining this country we would be doing them a favor?

>#countmein

>>138830580

Because that clump of cells has a very high potential to become a human being, it's not that hard to understand.

Time exists you know.

>>138832043
Free market, baby
If there's a ton of single parents, there's a higher demand for single-parent lifestyle.
Hence, the more single parents there are out there, the higher is a quality of life of single-parent children.
>But I want insurance policy holders to subsidize my murderous urges!
no

>>138832187

Does'nt really add up.
Despite how much I hate the left in general, abortion is not murder.

>>138830580
Fuck vegans, man
Just fuck'em

>>138830064
you got btfo and you know it lmao

>>138828903
I demand that you be aborted!

>>138829190
Dear leaf,
Why do you and your fellow country leafs feel the need to barge in on American discussions that have nothing to do with you or your country's laws? It's not like I, as an American, give my unwanted opinions about Canada's internal matters. And neither should you onto us.

>>138832228

So does a sperm.
So do you commit genocide everytime you wank off?
As long as its not a sentient being, its not murder.
More like a plant.

>>138832187
that's actually not how that logic works. that's not the theory at all. you're just trying to force a false narrative about "oh if woman are allowed to make a choice with their body" and kill off something that's not living, that means "oh we can kill anyone we want"

what you said made no actual sense

>>138832228
And that same potential is the same reason why we don't execute murderers. Liberals are all against death penalty but will gleefully support abortion like that kid doesn't deserve to be born.

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>>138832006
>so I don't believe in human rights
Yeah. You got that right fuckface. There are no human rights. Only the rights you're willing to kill other motherfuckers to protect for yourself.
People contemplating abortion are SHIT-TIER, and should not reproduce. Defects are defects. Jesus can suck a cock, like his single-mom-raised bullshit hebrew ass was always meant to do. If there was ever a need for an abortion or miscarriage...

Abortion has been directly tied to lowered crime rates. Fuck your god.

>>138832376
that doesn't even make sense. the person is already born. it's an actual living creature. stop trying to be funny because what you said actually does not make sense.

>>138832290
well i'm sorry you feel that way but when i lost my first child to a miscarriage it didn't hurt any less than if it was born. i cant believe this world has become so callused.

>>138832402
>As long as its not a sentient being, its not murder.

Vegans are a joke

>>138832434
Abortion has lowered the crime that the pill raised up. Crime has never been back to pre-pill levels.
Watch Coltaine's video about it.

>>138832477
Do you even speak English?

>>138828903
abortion is pretty evil. that said, i don't want more black hoodrats running around nigging at every opportunity.

>>138832267
your trying to bait too hard.

>>138832376
>I demand that you be aborted!
are you aware of how abortion works?

>>138832594
yeah grammar is shitty, give me a better argument lmao

>>138832672
>I can't support an intelligent debate
you must be a nigger

>>138832478

Difference being you hoped for it to become a human being and wanted it.
Also, there are stages.
That's why abortion is illegal after a few months, since then it becomes a sentient life form.
Your feelings don't matter, facts do.
Abortion as it is legally practiced is not murder.

Violates the NAP, cheapens the value of life
>muh abortions kill poor black babies
Two wrongs don't make a right

>>138832732
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/Aborted

>>138832749
>intelligent debate
>saying people who raise their children when single will make the child better

get cancer

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>>138828903

I'm no conservative and I'm split on abortion. On one hand I see it as an abominable evil, on the other, it is a natural genocide of the weaker races.

Shitskins and Jews disproportionately engage in abortion. All we needed to do was tell their idiot women how empowering it was to have their uterus perforated by the procedure.

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>>138832403
actually my logic is in line with his; he is purporting that it would be beneficial for the child to be killed so as to go to heaven. I am saying that we should kill him so he can receive the same benefit. the disconnect in your logic is that you think children in the womb are not alive, so you obviously look at my statement as incorrect. however if you actually look into studies of fetuses you will see signs of life way before they are born, ie. their heart beat can be measured at 23 after conception. so i'm my view the fetus is a child and therefore my statement aligns with his.

>>138832843
oh, i misunderstood the original argument the original person was trying to make, my bad

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>>138833000
holy shit do you morons actually think the op was being serious when he used that picture

>>138832922
>saying people who raise their children when single will make the child better

If it becomes much cheaper to raise a single child than a child in a full family, then why not?

Also, learn to quote, nigger

>>138833161
>IT'S JUST A PRANK, BRO
>murder is a joking matter

Liberals, everyone

>>138833118
see >>138833229

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>>138832820
>Two wrongs don't make a right
But two rights make it awesome.
What right?

1. Defects aborting defects
2. Niggers aborting niggers

This sanctity of life bullshit is something the right needs to abandon if it hopes to stand a chance against the left in the future. The enemy uses it to their advantage.

Think to yourself the following: What would your average feminist leftard think if we went to a pro-abortion rally and said we supported abortion fully because abortion lets defects abort their crime statistics before they ever become a problem?

>>138832787
>Your feelings don't matter, facts do.
quick google search...

>heartbeat of fetus
https://www.babycenter.com/404_when-can-i-hear-my-babys-heartbeat_10349811.bc

>brainwaves of fetus at eight weeks
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1375108/

would you like me to continue?

>>138833256
I guess you missed the part where they want insurance companies (or the government) to pay (((doctors))) mad money for it.

>>138833271
By that same logic, liberals must be bashing vegans.
But they don't.
Why is that?

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>>138832434
Abortion has enabled the destruction of the family that has put us in economic turmoil. Not exclusively but it played a large part. People who do abortions are from multiple backgrounds and are everyday people that we need to bolster up rather than condemn for the sake of the nation and themselves. The same reasoning to which you give a damn about crime rates.

And you saying there are no rights and then there are these rights is just contradictory.

But anti-theist were never known for their rationality.

abortion sends YOU to HELL faster.
fucktard

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>>138833408

What argument is in place that disfavors abortion that ISNT religious in nature?

>>138833558
this doesnt make sense
aswell as the og picture is a joke

>>138828903
Natural revelation doesn't save people. If anything, you're literally sending babies to hell.

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>>138833619
Most of them. That the unborn humans have human rights. That abortion has caused destructive trends in society away from the family. Stuff of the sort.

https://prolife.stanford.edu/theory/index.html

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>>138833364
I don't pay for insurance and I don't pay taxes. What self-respecting man does?

>>138833427
>Abortion has enabled the destruction of the family
Boo hoo. You forfeited your family when you made God and Jesus the ultimate family in your life. No crying now fuckface.
You should have fought harder for family instead of whorshiping(no that's not a typo you slut for god) that YHWH faggot and his bastard.

>>138833876
God bless you...

>>138833876
>has no remorse for society losing its family structure which effects society negatively by nearly every metric
>previously defended abortion by saying it raises crime

You're mad that I'm religious. I get it. It doesn't help your argument though.

>>138828903
I'm Pro Choice
>for niggers
sage

>>138828903
You have to be baptized or you go straight to hell as a baby

>>138833661
>what is original sin?

Nigger

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>>138833619

You ask this question because you are unable to conceptualize an answer.

I dislike the Capitalist Liberal, but they would easily argue that the right to Life is an immutable right.

>>138833857


There's many arguments in favor of how abortion can fight destructive trends in society. The family unit's destruction is not being caused by abortion.
I guess they have human rights, in a sense. Certainly anything that is sentient deserves to be protected. But from what i understand, abortion when done properly ( perhaps not by today's standards which may be barbaric ) happens to a non-sentinent being- but a mass of cells, so to speak, may not qualify as being human.

>>138830061
4chan Catholics are sick bastards.

>>138828903
More like they get sent to Moloch or whatever other demons the DNC cannibalizes children for.

>>138834123

All life ends with death. Death is often from environmental factors. Many species gladly to consume their own young if needed. What makes human life unique- if not for a religous aspect?

How do you derive that the right to life is immutable?

>>138833823
>this level in Dante's Inferno

>>138833619
Read this>>138830979

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>>138828903
If I made a girl pregnant I would support her abortion. I couldn't take care of a child yet and the girl would go through hell carrying a child she didn't want or couldn't have. But it's not like that's going to happen anytime soon.

>>138833876
>I don't pay for insurance and I don't pay taxes. What self-respecting man does?

Spoken like a true kang

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>>138834015
>You're mad that I'm religious.
No. I'm mad that idiots like you with your bullshit morals have driven right-wing politics into the ground with your moralfaggotry.

Human life has no intrinsic value. It's as easy to make as some drunken romp behind a fucking bar. Actual shit, like candle wax, in which actual work and care need to be devoted to for manufacture, has value. Human life is something you send overseas to kill other human life because it allahus too loudly in the morning and annoys you.

7,000,000,000+ of us. We ain't valuable. Cull us down by 6.8B and then we'll talk.
Me? I'll be one of the ones culling until I get culled myself. Guaranteed I'll be blazed as fuck on stimulants and killing as many niggers, durkas, and christfaggots as I possibly can. I even have a Motley Crue playlist saved for the occasion.

>>138832396
If this is the best argument you can form on an international political board then you should probably go back to r*ddit

>>138828903
I'm not against abortion. I plan on have my child aborted if it's diagnosed as a retard in the womb. I love using liberal freedoms to piss them off, it's wonderful.

>>138834415
>If I made a girl pregnant I would support her abortion

that's why you haven't yet, low test levels are a turn-off

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>>138834254
>All life ends with death. Death is often from environmental factors.

I would surmise that a natural death is not the same as ripping a child from the womb. Call me provincial.

>Many species gladly to consume their own young if needed.

If you want to equate yourself with a dog, a snake, or a rat be my guest. I however believe mankind has a higher purpose and a higher responsibility to not only itself, but the dirt which he stands.

>What makes human life unique- if not for a religious aspect? How do you derive that the right to life is immutable?

Oh all heir blathering on about inalienable natural rights. A concept that is entirely homo-centric. Rights endowed by nature's god or nature herself evidently.

>>138830956
You are also a bunch of cells, baizuo

>>138830979
If a woman said they're not ready, they're most likely busy with school or work, and/or not financially stable. What you said can be true for adults who become pregnant on accident but can you be against abortion if the baby's going to live with a young mother without a job?

>>138829897
Are you white?

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>>138834554
>I would surmise that a natural death is not the same as ripping a child from the womb.

Death is death, boy. You should try it sometime.

>>138828903
Actually, you only go to heaven of you're baptized

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>>138830149
>I can kill people because to me they aren't humans

You are merely justifying murder through the dehumanization of unborn babies.

>>138828903
Hello, i'm a corporation, please do abortion on demand, so i come and you pay ME to buy the dead body of your child so i can sell it to other companies.

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>>138829616
Liberals
>we are the party of science
>cells found on mars or asteroid
>LIFE IS OUT THERE
>cells in woman's womb
>IT'S NOT A LIVING BEING IT'S JUST CELLS RIP IT FROM THE WOMB

>>138830646
Hopefully the nigger population decreases from this

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>>138834128
If sentience is the grounds for rights then it can't be the immediate practice as that would make the sleeping and comatose be without rights but rather rights would be given to those with the capacity for it. It cannot be the immediate capacity as those lacking can develop out of it (to cite the comatose again) and their capacity for development is what ensures them their rights. It must be in the capacity of them as humans as the unborn are developing their sentience too. As such, as humans would have rights.

There are utilitarian arguments for abortion but they are poor. Abortion gives an outlet for escaping responsibility in abortion and makes an uneven situation in the case of forcing the responsibility of the father

>>138834554

It's not ripping a child from the womb. Stomp making bullshit arguments. If it's an early abortion it's far from a child.

And so you admit that humans are somehow have a higher purpose beyond other animals. This is obviously 'Religion' of some sort coming out.

third one is absolute balderdash. Nature's god enshrined you no rights but to live and die on this world. Nature is not clean, not pretty, and if it were a natural world, you'd be eaten alive by wolves. Inalienable natural rights, are quite literally, a social construct.

I'm going to have to ask you to stop wasting your time. I was asking for non-religiious arguments.

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>>138834720
You know, just about everyone on the board who isn't a pinko fuck has no problem with offing niggers, marxists, and other assorted trash, but as soon as it become teh babby, all of a sudden you fucking dicksuckers get a moral bone up your ass and talk about MUH MURDER.

Fuck you, it's absolutely okay to murder the unborn when you know there's a 75%+ chance that unborn will be a detriment to society if allowed to be a born.

Murder is sometimes awesome.

>>138834937

What about abortion of a severe mentally handicapped individual (microcephaly veggie) or those with crippling physical disability?

And my use of sentience may not be right. essentially, i would be against abortion that causes undue suffering /pain. This would require a somewhat developed brain and nervous system.

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>>138834554
>I however believe mankind has a higher purpose and a higher responsibility to not only itself, but the dirt which he stands.

>>138829234
*Aborts you*

>>138830033

Would you kill Nelson Mandela, as a child, if you could time travel?

You fucking stupid cuck. Nice flag, you really earned it.

>>138834609
In the case that the future mother is single and the child is an accident caused by casual sex then it's the women's fault for thinking sex is just pleasure. She shouldn't had been sleeping around. In that case she should chase the idiot who knocked her up and convince him of being a father which won't happen because they're both young idiots that have been taught sex is an amazing pleasure and that they should do whenever they can.

In the case of being in a relationship then just have the baby and get jobs. Not everyone needs a fucking career to make a living. Instead of taking a 80k loan to study a degree thousands of mindless idiots will have too ust use the 80k to open a small business. It's hard and you'll suffer but god damn life is suffering, you can't avoid it forever and the earlier you commit to take responsibility for your life and the life that will come from your seed the better.

I detest this trend of "you need to go to college" bitch we live in the internet age. You have humanitie's library of knowledge at a clicks distance. You don't need a degree to learn useful knowledge. You can start by teaching first graders and climb up the ladder. If you put yourself together doors will just open for you. You won't believe how easy it is to climb up the hierarchy once you commit to grow yourself into a useful, independent person.
Growing up is a process in which you sacrifice yourself to become something better.

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>>138834882
SAAAAAAAAAAAAUCE

>>138834474
>driven

You what. Human rights have always been a part of right wing politics besides with some fascist groups. And those CAME OUT OF right wing politics, not were the basis that was driven away from. You have no idea what you talk about. This is especially bad when you speak of "morals" as if your view is without it and not just a different moral system.

You stupid Redditor, you don't know what damage you do to your life and do not even know the terms by which you speak. You sound like an edgy child. Value has little to do with rights.

>>138830149
so is okay to kill juden rats like you, good to know.

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>>138828903
>I didn't want to get pregnant
Stop being a whore or don't have sex until you can deal with the consequences.
>My kid has down syndrome
Your fault for having kids after 30 and you can pit it up for adoption.
>I was raped
Carry a weapon so you then wouldn't be raped. And again you can put it up for adoption
>I'm completely irresponsible and I need society to make up for it.
The essence of pro-abortion arguments, the same as
>I eat truckloads of food and don't exercise but you must pay for my healthcare
>Higher education is useless, and it's hard, but I want to make a much money as you do because you have to share
>I chose to suck dicks but I want kids so government better allow me to use a surrogate mother and pay for it

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>>138835528
Human rights mean fuck-all, and people like you will see this clearly soon enough as civilization crumbles and your precious humanity takes a backseat to survival and the bestial side of man.

Hope your YHWH loving ass is ready to kill. The dopamine receptors in my brain sure as shit are.

>>138834882
this

>>138834938
>It's not ripping a child from the womb. Stomp making bullshit arguments.

I would say between 12-16 weeks they look remarkably human.

Then again, I would only ban abortion for the White Race. Lessor races can kill their children at will for all I care. Just be sure to tell them how empowering it is.

>And so you admit that humans are somehow have a higher purpose beyond other animals. This is obviously 'Religion' of some sort coming out.

No it is a philosophical argument. By 'higher purpose" I meant a greater level of existence rather than JUST, fucking, drinking, eating, sleeping, and shitting. With that greater level of existence comes greater capacity of life and a greater responsibility.

>Nature's god enshrined you no rights but to live and die on this world. Nature is not clean, not pretty, and if it were a natural world, you'd be eaten alive by wolves. Inalienable natural rights, are quite literally, a social construct.

Take it up with an adherent of Liberalism. That would be their argument.

>I'm going to have to ask you to stop wasting your time. I was asking for non-religiious arguments.

And I'll ask you to stop fighting The Strawman Army so hard.

>>138829643
So it's better to just kill him? You fucking retard

>>138829324
Stop being a whore and the problem goes away

>>138830932
Wow, who would have guessed people can break the law.

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>>138835092
>What about abortion of a severe mentally handicapped individual (microcephaly veggie) or those with crippling physical disability?

You have already stated that rights apply to the sentient. You gave no exceptions so there would be no exceptions regarding this. What you would be promoting to carry on with this is eugenics. But that stands in the way of human rights and if rights go then the alternative is tyranny.

>i would be against abortion that causes undue suffering /pain

So what suffering/pain is due for the unborn human? Is the baby not entirely innocent in this? Further, wouldn't this imply that what makes murder wrong be the conscious pain it causes, then saying that murder in sleep or painless homicides are not murder at all?

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>>138830932

So because people will break the law is your rational for a people to allow degeneracy?

>>138835778

Your philsophical argument has even less value than a religious one. You're not going to convince anyone with your spiel about holy dirt.

12-16 weeks might be a bit late, if thats the case, ban it.

>>138835728
You'll wait for the end of the world while other people live meaningful lives. You'll probably shoot yourself in the head in your 40s like all losers do.

>i should be free to choose what i do with my body, therefore I have no responsibility not to murder my children
I think the issue here is that you have to prove that, without a doubt, you have no responsibility to your children, present or future, -and- that it is not murder.
>magically proves it's not your child and that it's not murder
Ok now you just have to prove without a doubt that you have no responsibility for the future of your children.
>i have no future children because i just murdered it
Doubt: o-ok well perhaps part of your responsibility to your future children is not murdering them.

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>>138835728
>has no arguments, just rage

This is what occurs when you abandon your innate human reason and seek to be brutish beasts.

>>138836261
No. If I never have to fight, I'll just continue chilling out and enjoying the small things.

I'm curious about the age of this thread.

https://strawpoll.com/wcw6aby9

please vote.

>>138828903
I'm not.

Abortion is the biggest killer of niggers and leftists.

>>138836407
You can only enjoy little things for so long. You'll soon want a wife and children.

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>>138836252
>You're not going to convince anyone with your spiel about holy dirt.

WWII proved many things and much to the chagrin of Marx and the Bolsheviks, that people align with their Race and Nation more than any other identity, including class.

This is reinforced by the failed 1960s civil rights movement in the US, Nationalism on the rise in several parts of the EU, and arguably the most Nationalist President outside of Teddy Roosevelt getting into the White House with a sizable electorate victory.

All other identities are secondary, if such things exist at all.

>>138836461
>ad hominem
29 here. I'll take it you're pro-choice, and I haven't even read any of your comments.

>>138836461
27. Pro-life.

>>138836516
>You'll soon want a wife and children.
Why? I look to higher shit. Which is why I will kill shitheads without a second thought. Wife and kids means nothing.

>>138836577
I'm actually the split on the issue guy who made a lenghty case against abortion that only one person replied to.

>>138836653
>"i will kill"
do it now pussy, if you are so intent on it, by the time the race war comes you'll be a withered old sag of shit

>>138830580 you do realize you are a clump of cells too, right anon?

>>138836740
>split on the issue
>muh vagina
What lengthy case? no bully, you butthurt faggot.

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>>138836781
And wind up in prison or looking over my shoulder all the time?
Yeah right.

I look out for number one.

>>138836824
Is this board just edgy kids trolling? Does nobody bother to have a serious discussion?

>>138828903
im only against it because it gives women power
abortion should be enforced by the state for eugenics purposes

>>138836810
You do realize that your skin consists of cells as well, so, for example, when you workout and touch (huh) iron, it sheds skin and more cells die when you do an abortion at early stages. Is that a murder too?

>>138836953
Those cells don't have the potential to become a fully developed human being. False equivalency.

>>138835040
Lurk moar degenerative newfriend. We say that kind of stuff here because of the shock humor and being ironic and is in no way reflective of what goes on in reality.

Unborn babies being murdered by degenerate whores is a reality.

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>>138836859
learn how to do it properly, so you dont have to worry.

>>138837007
>Potential
So the difference between cells in your womb and cells of which your skin consists is potential? Then why "gozzilions of dead spermids" analogue doesn't work?

>>138830064
You got rekt pretty hard broham. Your argument is literally "it's convenient so it should be legal."

You know what else is convenient? Not paying my workers a living wage. Also, Muslims prohibit abortion and they'll be the majority in every single Western country within your lifetime, so...

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>>138837073
Start doing it too well and you catch eyes.

>>138837040
I've been doing this shit since /n/.
You fags need to stop talking shit. WE joked about it. You fucks talk seriously but never act seriously.

>>138837102
That's your analogy. Sperm is useless until it fecunds a womb and starts growing. Masturbating is not equivalent to abortion nor is menstruation.

>>138837208
I meant an egg instead of a womb.

>>138837208
>Sperm is useless until it fecunds a womb and starts growing
So is gametes and zygote. It is useless until it actually grows into a structured human being with orgrans.

>>138837339
Once the fecundation begins it has that potential. It needs to start growing to have that potential. Otherwise is just semen or a dead egg.

>>138837633
You are just tryint to postulate things here. When one draw the line between "a cell" and a "a human", why the hell it should be fecundation? Please, do explain what a miracle happens when the otherwise useless sperm unites with otherwise useless egg. Looks like same cells to me.

>>138837892
Because it starts growing with it's own DNA that is different from the mother. It's a new life, a new potential. A skin cell is a cell made by your body exclusively to die in a few days. It's not the same.

If you want a hard barrier, a frontier you coudl say it's the distintive human DNA. A sperm cell only has 13 chromosomes just like an egg, its when they unite that it becomes human DNA and thus start growing into a new human.

>>138832402
Sperm being left alone will not become a baby.
With your logic a bag of flour will automatically become a loaf of bread.
Once the dough has been made and is in the oven it WILL become bread. Taking it out early and then throwing it in the bin is a waste.

The biggest problem with abortions in USA is the fact that there are retarded regulations. For example in my country you can abort until 12 week, after that it's only if the pregnancy contains a health risk for the mother and it could be only done by a medical staff in hospitals. If you abort prior to 7th week of pregnancy, it's done by a chemical way which causes only something similar to a strong menstruation.

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>>138828903
ABORTIONS KILL BASED BLACK MEN!
HOW WILL US BE FILLED WITH GODLY NIGGERS WHEN YOU KEEP KILLING HALF OF THEM?

>>138830956
You're a lump of cells too goy, only bigger. Since when does size determine your human worth?

>>138843029
>manlet detected

>>138833619
The most obvious one. It is wrong to kill human beings. No excuses can be made for ending a human life. The life of a defenseless, innocent human no less.