80% Lowers

>>138795858
Tell me more. You're saying that if you basically buy the loose/unassembled parts to the lower receiver, you can buy everything else without registering it?

What happens if you ever get caught by law enforcement with the fully-assembled unregistered rifle?

You can 3d print a full lower. That's a better ghost gun, disposable.

>>138796137
Don't get caught.

>>138795858
illegal in CA, of course

>>138796137
First
>Living in a state requiring registration of all guns
Second, why store it assembled?

>>138796137
Gun registration isn't real yet. Homemade firearms are legal.

>>138796137
Perfectly legal so long as you never cross state lines with it.

>>138796885
it's legal. If you machine your own gun, it's legal for you to own. So what they do is sell you 80% of what you need and then you drill a few holes. Suddenly, you are a machinist. You can't sell it though unless you register it.

>>138796137
>Unregistered

You live in the US. Depending on your state you don't need to register shit you buy privately.

>>138796868
They break 300-600 rounds in. Plastic is not a great material to make a lower out of.

This thread is better for /k/ actually, but you can legally build your own firearms in the US as long as you do it BY YOURSELF, you must be legally allowed to own guns (not a felon or druggie etc.) and as long as the final firearm is legal within your jurisdiction (doesn't go over magazine restrictions, long enough barrel length, etc.)

>>138796137
You buy the 80% finished receiver, as far as legally allowed but the final 20% of the construction is what you do yourself for "final assembly". What is pictured is a jig, you screw it around the 80% receiver and with a drill you drill out the aluminum along the jig grooves, converting your unfinished lower receiver into a fully functional, legal, unserialized AR-15 lower that can be assembled with an upper receiver (also unserialized, the barrel and components are interchangeable parts).

I bought mine and buried them in half in sealed pvc tubes wrapped in grease.

https://www.80percentarms.com/pages/faq

good faq

>>138795858

won't last long, commiefornia has already attacked them and pretty much destroyed the ability to make them.

>>138795858
You'll get 10 years here for a first offence of even owning such a firearm.

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>>138797076
They want you to register them, but good look enforcing that.

I bought over 10, years ago...

>>138795858
When they come for the guns, it's your duty to resist them. They'll run out of "them" before they run out of "you."

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>>138795858
lol there are 300M people in the US, and there are more guns then people. Oh and btw, they make more guns every day
>good luck

Gus Magisono pls go

>>138797514
Please stop no guns, you are talking out of your ass. pls stfu, kthnks

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Also noteworthy is that you can use simple dies to make stamped receivers for guns like the AK47 or G3. No milling required (however, you need a press, furnace (heat treating the receiver after stamping), welder and a riveter.

Once you have those tools (and perhaps some specialty tools), all you need is sheet metal to stamp a receiver.

The shovel AK is a classic example:
http://www.northeastshooters.com/vbulletin/threads/179192-DIY-Shovel-AK-photo-tsunami-warning!

>>138797490
They confiscated all the drill presses and closed all the machine shops in the state!?!

>>138795858
Reminder that the vast majority of guns in the US aren't registered.

Reminder that most states do not require registration.

>>138797564
I forgot to say, that it's in California where they passed a law saying if you have a 80% lower, you must register by a certain amount of time and put a serial number on it too. Doesn't matter that it isn't finished either.

>>138795858
>Implying (((they))) aren't monitoring every 80% lower purchase on the interwebz
A personal transfer will be much harder for them to track down than an internet purchase.

>>138798166
>What is ATF 4473?

>>138797888
>You'll get 10 years here for a first offence of even owning such a firearm.

Seconding this. An 80% lower is nothing more than a paperweight until you mill/stamp/drill it to accept gun parts.

https://www.ammoland.com/2014/11/atf-answers-questions-on-80-receiver-blanks/#ixzz4qd91Q2YG

With certain exceptions, and subject to any state law that might apply, as long as an individual is not prohibited from possessing a firearm, he or she can make a firearm for personal use. If an individual wants to manufacture and sell firearms, he or she is required to obtain a license, and mark each firearm manufactured in accordance with 27 CFR 478.92. [18 U.S.C. 923(i), 26 U.S.C. 5822]

>>138798316
A background check, not registration.

>>138795858
>Reminder that you can buy an 80% milled unregistered lower.

Or live in Missouri and do not worry about registering anything.

>>138798486
>implying that information isn't stored

>>138798316
Not registration. It's a file that stays at the gun store on a hard copy. And they're destroyed every 25 years. Either way they don't go to the ATF and the background check submission the FFL submits to the FBI doesn't contain gun info

>>138798541
whats with you missouri fags lately, like every thread you always say how amazing the state is

>>138798667
>implying the Feds can't walk into a gun store and seize that information

>>138796137
Move to a state where you don't need to register your shit like NH

(Unless you're not white. In that case, we're full)

>>138798655
It's illegal for the atf to store the info.

>>138798732
>implying that's a probable solution to enact confiscation via "registration"

>>138798818
This

>>138798209
Then buy a block of aircraft grade aluminum and machine your own from square one. I believe in you.

>>138798707

It is pretty amazing.

Except for St. Louis.

>>138798732
>they were lost in a tragic boating accident sir

>>138798818
>implying that stops them

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>>138795858

>>138798966
well no shit, any major city is a ball of shit with retards populating them

Friendly reminder that 80% lowers are for cuck states. If they ever "come for your guns" your little loopholes wont save you. Your online purchase history will be looked into
>this guy has no registered weapons
>but he bought a bunch of gun parts online
>gee i wonder why
>gestapovan.webm
t. commiefornian

>>138798964
and $100.000 in CNC?

>>138797288
Damn you are one dumb ass coon. They've got plastics that are better than metal now.

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>>138795858
Theoretically, how easy would it be to manufacture enough rifles to [theoretically] arm a militia? Would purchasing 500 80% lowers plus parts raise any ATF red flags?

>>138796137
It stems from filling out the ATF paperwork to transfer a gun to you, which requires the serial number from the firearm be put on it.

See 19.b here https://www.atf.gov/file/61446/download

The law states that you can build a legal gun from scratch up to the point where it is 80% complete. Once you go further, it's effectively yours forever.

The ATF requests that you stamp your name or company name and the city/state of manufacture, as well as serialize the firearm (e.g. #00001) but it's not required.

>What happens if you ever get caught by law enforcement with the fully-assembled unregistered rifle?
It's perfectly legal to have it. It does not have to have a manufacturer mark on it.

The only time law enforcement gets antsy is if the serial number is filed off because you're obviously trying to hide where it came from.

>>138795858
what about the firing pin?

>>138799422
Not 3D printable and the best polymer lowers are still sub par compared to aluminum.

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>>138795858
reminder to Ameribros to do it while they can
80% lowers are now illegal in Canada, they were legal for a few years but recently the feds (police, not gov't) re-interpreted the law, saying it CAN be turned into a F/A lower, therefore it's prohibited, just like an F/A AR15 would be

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>>138797076
>black people start open carrying guns
>suddenly gun control introduced and NRA supports it

>>138799246

Kansas City is pretty cool.

>>138795858

>When they come for the guns

There will be many dead federal agents on my front porch.

>>138795858

>When they come for the guns
Molon labe.

>>138799322
>MUH CNC

>>138799422
3-D printed, not plastic dip shit. But hey if you believe in them send me a metal one and I'll send you a 3-d printed lower.

>>138799439
Plan on taking 4 hours to mill the lower receiver because some holes have to be exactly drilled, and another 4 hours to complete the lower receiver. The upper receiver of an AR is a PITA to assemble because the gas tube has to be exact and you need more specialized tools to screw the barrel on, so you might want to buy them pre-assembled.

>>138799422
>MUH 3D PRINTER

>>138797888
I have guns and here you now need a permit just to own a handgun and we have an 'assault weapons' ban.
If I buy a lower kit and build it I am in possession of an illegal firearm under my state's laws and will receive a minimum 10 years if they catch me with it and probably tack on other charges like serial number tampering, illegal manufacture of a weapon and who knows what else.

The only logical choice is to get the fuck out of this demoshit hell hole.

>>138799322
You don't need CNC to mill a gun, but you can get old CNC mills off ebay for less than $5,000 since you seem to have such a boner for the technology.

>>138799558
If there's any legislation being discussed, all of the 80% lower shops will be swamped with orders.

Fortunately nothing like this will happen while Trump is in office.

>>138799510
you buy everything other than the unfinished lower separate. the lower is the gun, everything else is peripherals.

>>138800000
all hail kek

>>138799940
Or you can just get an old manual vertical mill off of craigslist for like $800 and GIT GUD.

But you know how millennials are...

>>138799322
i did mine with an old router. just need a milling bit to remove material.

>>138800000
Fucking nothing: the get

>>138800068
I just said you don't need computers to mill the gun and was softly hinting to buying a manual mill, dummy. Learn to read.

>>138799630
The moment Antifa actually blows someone away, you will see anti-gun legislation with literal gun grabbing get passed so fast your head will spin.

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>>138795858

>>138799558
Any info online about FA conversion on either 80 or 100 lowers? Asking for a friend..........

Aren't the barrels register tho? You know when you order it online. Also the atf has a bullet shot from the barrel too know?

>>138800203
I was agreeing with you, dawg. Just expanding on what you said for the retards that think CNC is the only way to machine shit.

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>>138800000
What a waste...

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You can also buy ammonium nitrate and a potent CNS stimulant OTC no questions asked as well in the US.

You fags would be shocked to learn what is possible without showing an ID or breaking the law.

>>138800259
No and no. That's not a thing

>>138795858
You don't have to register a gun you built. You have to build it on your own equipment(traded equipment works fine as long as it is "yours").

>>138800259
no

>>138800259
no.... the barrel isn't registered.

>>138800212
the moment antifa "blows someone away" you will see a huge violent blowback. guerilla warfare. we are making a list and checking it twice.

>>138800339
ok we get it you have autism

>>138799817
Is it economically feasible though? At a scale of ~500 arms, it would make more sense to have the uppers pre-assembled, but how much more costly is it?

>>138800285
Alright. I got one of those dinky benchtop mills from harbor freight. Sorry about the dummy comment.

>>138800424
Ooh, and who is naughty and who is nice? :^)

>>138796137
You sound like a commie.

>>138800308
>>138800157
>>138800063

holy shit.

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>>138800339
People would be surprised what they can make out of shit they have in their garage and bathroom. Very easily at that.

>>138800339
>and a potent CNS stimulant OTC no questions asked as well in the US.
source? I want to abuse legal stimulants

>>138795858
Your daily reminder that it would be easy as fuck to track your firearm or firearm part purchases using your credit card. Buying in cash from a private seller is nearly untraceable, perfectly legal, and much easier.

>>138795858
I made an ar-10 with one of those kits, pretty fun senpai to see how the rifle works and is put togther.

Where the AK receivers At?

>>138800677
>holy shit
well then stop taking it in the ass

>>138800632
S'all good.

What do you use it for? The work area is so small on those things.

>>138800685
TATP is too dangerous to utilize, but DDNP is readily made.
If you need a good primer.

>>138800706
Propylhexedrine HCl is easily made from benzedrex inhalers. OTC no questions asked from Walmart, have about 80% of the effectiveness of methamphetamine. Better than straight amphetamine in some users. YMMV.
Combine it with magnesium citrate and L-theanine and you're golden.

>>138800896
They're manufactured completely differently.

>>138801027
>TATP is too dangerous to utilize
I completely agree, but it is amazingly simple to make. Too easy to kill yourself though, lots of people never heard from again on the old rogue science forums.

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>>138800896
You can make them out of sheet metal. 1-1.5mm thickness. Recommend hardened steel. Of course, for educational purposes only Singapore.

>>138798204
An 80% receiver is just a piece of metal. It can't be registered. Once you begin milling and drilling then you have created a firearm, so says the pigs in California anyway.

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>>138797288
if you need to last longer than 300-600 shots from the shells your already dead

Trust me im a pro CounterStrike player with sponsorship.

>>138798818
>illegal for the atf
What about the NSA? Every bought, guns, ammo, or accessories with anything other than cash? Bingo.

>>138798818
We need a Snowden from the ATF to give us leaks.

>>138799974
there was no talk of legislation, one day all of the dealers that sold them received a letter saying those are all prohibited and sale of them will be considered a federal crime, so they all disappeared in one day without a warning

>>138800257
no clue, I imagine there is, just like anything else on the internet, but I don't know about it

I suspected this would eventually happen, it was a grey area, poised to go into black at any moment, so knowing our system and political climate, I never bought one.
>yeah, cuck, I know, but I have a life and enough problems to care about without adding a paranoia having one of those would entail once they inevitably became illegal

>>138800581
It's relatively well known with AR's that they are so plentiful and that the profit margins are so small, that it is pretty economically feasible. It comes down to how much your time is worth?

The cost difference that we would pay for labor to assemble it is so small, that it's an easy cost to bear.

>>138797102
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2OoBwLVXpFc

People don't realize how easy it is to make improved firearms. The french resistance during the German occupation in the 40s is a good case in point. They turned god damn everything into a gun, from pipes to pens.

>>138799209
but this is all mocked up by israeli intelligence anon.

>>138801218
Good info.

Friendly reminder that the barrel is the hardest part of a firearm to manufacture. A lot of countries regulate barrels because of it. Manufacturing receivers is for the most part is only applicable to Americans.

>>138801199
Poor Megalomania ;_;

I actually made some picric acid once using the US Army Improvised Munitions recipe. As a chemist, I wanted to verify its efficacy. I was thoroughly shocked at the outcome. Lab-grade picric acid from ASA! Clandestine as hell. Takes a bit of practice to get the technique honed, but once you do it would be easy enough to make up all the picric acid needed to make picrates or DDNP. For a rainy day mind you.

>>138801027
Thanks for the tip lad

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>>138801303
Ultimately the real security for armed Americans is sheer volume of force. There's more guns in this country than there are citizens which makes it borderline suicidal for anyone to attempt a full door to door ban. All they can hope to do is take down people who are legitimate threats to the government and hope the rest don't decide to revolt. At the end of the day for as fucked up as the CIA, NSA, ATF and FBI have been we Americans are still comparatively being handled with kiddy gloves due to this reason.

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>>138801659
>Poor Megalomania ;_;
Oh shit, hello friend. Did you happen to lurk on &totse as well?

>>138795858
ffs stfu idiots

>>138800229
>sells iron ore with addatives to make aluminum.

-30% aluminum AR lower reciever

>>138801918
I used to browse for laughs and whatnot.
I was more active on usenet groups however.

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They also sell 0% lower receivers too.

>>138800896
You can purchase undrilled AK flats all over the web. You just have to put the bends in them, have the carrier rails installed, then rivet the trunnions in place with leaded rivets.

>>138802634
let me guess, 3 times more expensive than just buying a block of decent quality aluminum of the same size?

>>138799422
You're clinically retarded

>>138803045
Pretty much. They're just sold as a joke though, no one buys them.

>>138803045
Only $29 for 54 cu in of 6061-T6 Al bullet https://www.80percentarms.com/products/0-billet-ar-15-lower-receiver

Entering the same dimensions here: https://www.midweststeelsupply.com/store/6061aluminumplate but selecting 5" instead of 4.5" yields a price of $27.68, so not far off.

/k/ is that you

>>138797076
No they aren't. In fact a California company (80 Percent Arms) makes the most well known template for finishing them. They're only illegal if you don't engrave a serial number and report it to the DOJ...which defeats the purpose of having an 80% lower in the first place.

>>138801265
300-600 isn't that much in terms of firearms. Consider a 20 round magazine, which isn't that bad. 400 rounds is only 20 magazines of that size. Imagine each firefight requires 4 magazines, that's only 5 fights that you can be useful in, assuming combat is happening on a squad vs squad level, or larger.

For reference, SHTF/bugout enthusiasts think that about 2000 rounds for main weapons and 1000 rounds for sidearms is ideal for SHTF scenarios. This means that, if we run at the amount of ammunition required for SHTF scenarios, NOT "civil war" scenarios, you would need to carry 5 AR-15's (400 rounds assumed effectiveness) lowers. Civil war scenarios, ballparking hard here but, might require 10 times the SHTF amount, with combat happening on a more active, rather than reactive basis. That means that instead of carrying 5 AR-15 lowers in a SHTFS, a CVS requires 50 AR-15 lowers, just to get through AR-15 life expectancy of 20k rounds in BAD conditions.

>>138798204

All you have to do is put a serial number of your choosing on it, you don't have to register that serial number with anyone.

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>>138801583
For one, you can go with a black powder load which results in less pressure, that's easy enough to make. However if you're looking for smokeless powder loads you can try rifling yourself by producing a draw which you pull through some pipe with static rope or chain that has a high tensile strength. I can only really recommend this for loads that are fairly small in comparison to what you'll find in most high caliber cartridges. It might however handle an intermediate to pistol cartridge. 7.62x39 might not be wise but 5.45x39 or 5.56x45 MIGHT do the trick. I would still recommend going even lower than that so as not to test your luck and just going with pistol cartridges like 9x19 parabellum or maybe even .45 cal.

If you're looking for higher caliber your best bet is to try and get some pipe made out of high carbon steel. Don't forget that a lot of firearms found in Vietnam up to Afghanistan don't even have rifling in them, and they tend to just be weapons like the MAT-49, the Sten Mk II or the MP-40. Of course numerous pistols from little zip guns to sheet metal automatics are common as well.

For educational purposes only.

>>138795858
I doubt 99% of you faggots cant even finish an 80% lower

>>138804602
You can buy templates that make it so easy an idiot could do it. You only have to be careful and go slow when using the router so the bit doesn't snap.

>>138797082
no shit. wtf.

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>>138804602
All you need is a drill press or a bending tool depending on if you're going with an AR or AK platform respectively. Unless you're completely retarded it's not that difficult.

>>138804859
>using a router
literally nigger tier

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>>138798667
>don't go to the ATF

got news for you from my brother who works at a gun store

>>138800738
What if you're from out of state? Do they check ids?

>>138799817

You can mill them out in 30 minutes with a $200 jig and a router these days. And once you have a $15 wrench for the barrel and the castle nut, all you need is a torque wrench and a vice to finish an AR. It's not that complicated.

>>138805068
"Power tools are nigger tier." Say what?

>>138805361
using a router to finish an ar15 lower is like using a paintball gun to copy the mona lisa

>>138805081

worked at a gun store, we did not have records going back over 15 years, had cops come in from time to time with cold cases saying the last record of a gun in a crime was traced back to the store, neither us nor the atf had records that far back.

>>138805081
What state? Because that's not required here. Has to be either a state thing or a big box store thing. Walmart sends them in. But mom n pop joes pawn doesn't.

>>138801027
>80% of the effectiveness of methamphetamine.
Well i wouldn't really compare it like that considering the vasoconstriction keeps you from taking it in as large of amounts as you could with meth and the crash is far far worse
But seriously the vasoconstriction is really bad for you,i would've at least recommended taking ibuprofen with it to help counter that

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>unregistered guns
>not filing an affidavit for destroyed/dismantled firearms
>not living next to a major water sourse

>>138805821
Also he was answering your question. If he place shuts down and you still have paperwork under 25yo then you're required to turn them in to the ATF.

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>>138806190

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>>138804602
Yeah, probably about 1% of us would fuck it up. Good estimate you dumb cunt.

>>138795858
hahahahaha.
Or you can live in alabama and buy a better complete gun with no registration. You are a fucking cuck
kys cali faggot

>>138796868
and it will break after one magazine of 30 rounds. lol. Faggot

>>138795858
Why would guns matter in guerilla war?
Weapons can be crafted through chemistry

I got my complete lower brand new with no background check and slapped together an AR. 4473 lists it as a receiver and is the only documentation other than the purchase history(that means jack shit in my state) that has my name on it. Anyone comes asking I sold/lost it. I have a house full of guns and only one of them landed me a background check. And yes that AR is perfectly legal.

>>138806433
Only things guns do is grant political power to a populace.

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>>138806433
>Chemistry
Chekt but rekt. Gas masks and general CBRN wear faggot.

>>138804320

Depends on the type of SHTF situation.

If it's bug out time, you take your aluminum lower with you BEFORE they get to your door to confiscate.

If it's shelter in place time, then you 3d print lowers as you need from home AFTER they confiscate your "guns".

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>>138806694
>gas masks
Can a has mask protect you from this?

>>138795858
Do they come with a 30 magazine clip that can fire 100 rounds in less than a second?

>>138806033
The l-theanine and magnesium greatly help here.
Plus vaping it as a salt also minimizes those effects.

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that's why I have one of these.

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>>138807074
for you

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>>138806910
Ill ignore that this looks like china level shit and that seems more like a disaster or attack on some kind of chemical plant,
First, stop living next to major chemical plants like some midwesterner and 2 my gas mask/rubberized canvas CBRN clothing would protect from the toxic enviroment, seems as effective as just not getting caught in the blast and after fires.

>>138807370
Plus the lathe

Why go through all this shit when you can just go to a gun show or whatever and buy a S&W pistol privately from somebody anytime?

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>>138800000
Sooo close, but still impressive.

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>>138807370
nice, always loved bridgeport mills
my setup in pic

>>138809667
Very nice. Hoping to get a CNC soon. Still have to learn g code though.

>>138795858
>an 80% milled unregistered lower

What exactly do you mean by this?

Because only a handful of states that I can think of off the top of my head have firearm registries.

If you mean un-serialized then I'm not sure exactly what you think buying an 80% will do other than just not have you fill out a 4473. The BATFE is so fucking backed up with paper 4473s that they aren't allowed by law to digitize that they would have to quintuple the size of their agency hiring just people to go through the decades of back log of 4473s and FFL black books that whatever SHTF scenario that involves full on confiscation going house to house based on 4473s would be over before they even finished the 4473s from the 90's.

80% lowers are cool, and you can legally construct your own firearms for personal use, but any gain in such a drastic hypothetical scenario is marginal at best.

>>138809667
Work in a machine shop, and it's making me want one myself.

Cheapest I've seen is around 2k or so for a small one

>>138800970
Practically nothing. I rarely get a chance since I have a STEM degree and my bachelor's project doesn't involve any of it. I might try and machine some jigs for pressing aluminum into a frame for the project or something. If all works out, /g/ should have a wet dream over it.

>>138810262
Yeah, I got mine for about 3k used. Not a bad deal honestly. The thing paid for itself in no time.

>>138795858
>When they come for the guns, plenty of ammo and good aim are going to be very very important.

FTFY

>>138810262
I started ion a carbide 3d router, it can cut aluminum, but so slow it's not worth it
>>138810081
G code is easy now that programs make it for you, use soft cam to ease into it

>>138810236
>they aren't allowed by law to digitize
implying there isn't some 3 letter agency that digitized the shit anyways in case of a SHTF scenario where no one will give a fuck about governmental oversight and all the dissidents can be disappeared in a FEMA death camp

>>138810952
what did you make on a 3k CNC mill?

>>138811093
moulds for dragon dildos probably

>>138795858
There is no gun registry you fucking moron.

>>138811233
nah a 3k CNC wouldnt be able to do that

>>138811062
>where no one will give a fuck about governmental oversight

So in this hypothetical where no one "give(s) a fuck about governmental oversight" why the fuck would a government agency go around confiscating firearms?

The implication here being that if government oversight is no longer a concern than it's likely that the government is no longer a concern.

>>138795858
Sucks living in a state where you need to register your funs. Enjoying the benefits of glorious socialism?

>>138811498
If he has guns he's probably on the other end of the gibs

>>138811093
I thought you were responding to me. My bad. Mines a $3k mill, not CNC.

>>138795858
When they come for the guns you won't be buying any pieces or kits. They'll stop that before coming to confiscate.

>>138811233
Show your flag, Brit.

>>138812095
molds and moulds are entirely different

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I have 2 AR's and a .308 I put together. A friend of mine built and 80% lower so if you do go this route buy a couple of them because you might fuck up the first one.

>>138811447
I meant "oversight of government" not "oversight by government" you faggot

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>>138795858

Problem is they are only good for 600 rounds

I go through at least 100 at the range every weekend

>>138812742
>I meant "oversight of government"

So what imaginary scenario do you think will happen that will allow the federal government to no longer be accountable to such a degree that a secret federal agency will be able to openly go house to house confiscating firearms and killing people?

>>138813018
>Problem is they are only good for 600 rounds

He's not talking about polymer lowers.

>>138797076

they're legal in CA

>>138813055
>trying to defend xir position at every cost
>being this autistic
back to your darkroom, fagsperg

>>138800339
wtf is this gif

>>138796137
You literally stamp the number 1 on the lower and boom you can take it across state lines. Just make a legal note of it personally and youre fine.

All this gun-fear shit is driving me bonkers.

>>138795858
>FOPA 1986
They already came for your guns and won, it's now just a wait to see when they will take the rest.

>>138813258
>getting triggered by the fag flag

So are you going to actually try to explain your argument?

If your position is so weak that a simple question can knock it down, maybe you need to actually think about it critically.

>>138800896
I've built a couple AK kits. All the cheap parts kits are gone and the tools are too expensive. It's not worth it any more imo.

>>138813258
He's right though. People wouldn't just let that happen, it's in our constitution. People would fight back because that's literally what it is put in the constitution for. No one could be payed enough to try and invade every home in America to look for guns. It's functionally impossible. Not to mention sells of personal arms is highly unregulated. Even if you had a gun registered to you, you could hide it and say you sold it. There's not a possibility of that happening.

>>138806409
Good enough to kill your target and take their better weapon. Same idea as the French resistance in WW2.

>>138800339
>potent CNS stimulant OTC
What is it?

>>138798037
Illegal to finish a receiver in CA unless you preapply with the CADOJ for a serial number.

>>138795858
well if you want to go no paper work route, you could always buy a BP and conversion cylinder and you can get that via mail too boot.

>>138798667
They are not destroyed after 25 years. They must keep them on site for 25 years. After 25 years they have the option of continuing to store them themselves or send them to ATF.

>>138814122
Hahahahaha
kys

>>138814532
Remember how marijuana was illegal and everybody just did it anyways?

>>138814532
Except if you live in a sanctuary city then the federal laws don't apply

>>138813018
Polymer is light but it wouldn't be my go to. Not reliable. 7000 class aluminum makes for a sturdy weapon.

>>138814370
baby meth - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Propylhexedrine

>>138797199
>sell it though unless you register it.

You can't sell them. That is illegal without a licence to manufacture.

>>138796137
Unless you live in a state like CA, NY or NJ, you can take your rifle to a range, public or not, and there shouldn't be any trouble. Used to go shooting in Oregon with my 80 percenter all the time

Also, CaliNiggers stop complying with all our faggot ass laws

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>>138795858
>>138801572 this guy gets it

https://archive.org/details/folkscanomy_defense

download a copy of every single file here

https://archive.org/details/folkscanomy

here too , and put it on a thumb drive

thank me later

>>138795858

>willingly admitting to having any guns

If there's no immediate search warrant present, then I guess I lost all my guns in a bad hand of drunk-betting poker with a group of guys I never met before.

>>138814532
What about ghost guns that are already completed?

>>138817586
I just did some brief research on it. Why extract instead of eat the cotton?

>>138819135
The lavender + menthol combo is very good at making your gut suffer.
The smell will become nauseating to you.
And the salt can more easily be dosed, and vaporized, which in my experience has less vasoconstriction than oral consumption.

>>138796137

Even CA can have unregistered 80% lowers, they passed a new law requiring it but it doesnt go into effect until 2019. Even then the courts can tie it up and we're likely to get one more sympathetic supreme court justice. So we'll see

>>138801850
>At the end of the day for as fucked up as the CIA, NSA, ATF and FBI have been we Americans are still comparatively being handled with kiddy gloves due to this reason.
Well I mean the CIA generally is focused on non-americans
guess that explains why theyre so much more fucked up

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I have a Modulus Arms jig and love it. It's expensive for the initial set up, but if you take care of it, it will last a loooong time. Mine probably has finished a dozen 80 lowers, and it still works and looks as good as it did for the first one.
Just mill the pocket, drill the holes and trigger slot, spray it with black AlumaHyde, and drive on. I also shop around and buy anodized blem/seconds 80 lowers in bulk for cheap. My last one was done in well under an hour and cost me $35.
I can build a bare bone iron sight AR ghost on par with anything I used in the Army for under $400, easy.
I keep a beater 80 AR as a truck gun with a full combat load (Never know when some Jihadis want to try shooting up a shopping mall. We don't fuck around with that shit in Texas) It's had a tough life, and keeps on ticking.
Hell, even my 3gun gamer rig is on an 80 lower.
I have another AR set up as an SPR on an 80. It is my most expensive AR, but pretty tricked out. Just the matched barrel and bolt set I had Frank at CLE make for it were almost $700. It shoots 70gr Berger VLD's over 25.4gn of RL15 to 800 yards easy all day long, and I can ring steel at 1k yards if there's no wind.
I also occasionally "rent out" my jig and tooling to friends to help offset the initial cost and save them the massive expense.
In the Army, we would even have "lower parties" We would all bring our different tools and set up "stations" where we would round robin to fold up and weld AK flats and mill lowers. The armorers would coach, but everyone did all their own hands on work.
All in all, I really like working with 80's. It's a rewarding hobby.

PSA- DO NOT replicate my load mentioned above. It is compressed, and well beyond Berger suggested max load.

>>138821798
One note I forgot to add:
Unless you are planning on making a dedicated 22lr AR to teach the kiddos the basics, avoids fully plastic/composite lowers like the plague. The takedown pin holes just do not have enough meat on them. Also, I would not waste my time with anything less than 7075.
Although some have had some success with 6061, why chance it?