Ask a catalan separatist anything

>>138771935
Why is independence so important for Catalans? In my view it would just make both sides more divided and weaker.

>>138771935
Jesus, talk about too much estrogen in the water supply.

Do you think Catalonia will really separate from Spain or are you just optimistic?

I've never met a catalan which wasn't a nu-male. Spain and the whole Europe could suffer for those maricones

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>>138772186
Because all catalans only feel catalan and we want to have our own country.
The best way to understand it would be to put yourself in the same situation as us: imagine Germany conquered the Netherlands and it became a little region subservient of Berlin, wouldn't you want to be independent? The reasons you'd use to justify you're dutch and the need for an independent Netherlands are the same reasons I want my country to be Catalonia and not Spain.

>>138773437
true indeed; but having to stand on your own merits is the bane of cuckoldry.

I hope they become independent and iberianfags get their peninsula under control.

>>138772537
>Do you think Catalonia will really separate from Spain or are you just optimistic?
Honestly I think winning the referendum will be very hard because of demographic issues, we (catalans) have become a minority in our land.
I see two ways we can win tho:
1. Allow only those born in Catalonia to vote.
2. Use weather modding technology to create the biggest storm in decades so only catalan nationalists risk going outside to vote (yes I'm a bit desperate).
In case the YES wins I have no doubt we will become independent, Spain won't be able to stop us.

>>138773437
Typical spanish gibmigrant going to take other people's jobs in foreign countries. You have to go back Paco.

>>138771935
Who the fuck cares about Catalsomething. No one. Post sauce to that gif tho.

>>138774072
I'm not spanish, but, as an Italian, I've met my share of spaniards

I sincerely hope you win your referendum and gain autonomy: you will be used as a lesson for all those who could cause the balcanization of Europe, also real spaniards could enjoy a sharp decrease in cuckoldry

>>138774261
>implying a new country in Europe and the break up of Spain wouldn't be a happening we all would enjoy
And I don't have the sauce I'm afraid.

>>138774517
Ofc you're spanish Paco, as if a real italian would say maricones lol.

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What do you think about Basque independence? Also, will Spain really allow this?

>>138775542
I can say froci/ricchioni if you want, do you think that an italian wouldn't know the basic spanish insults?

>>138774517
>giving each group its own homeland
>not good
Sounds good to me senpai, unless subversive elements are behind it

Why do you guys insist on using that meme dialect? Its like a less-efficient version of Spanish.

I don't give a fuck about flags I just want my catalonian caliphate inshallah it will be soon

>>138777676
sure is good from an american point of view, not from a european one

>>138778124
>not recognizing the value a language holds for one's heritage

If catalans were far right anti Jew anti muslim I'd support them but nah there just fucking eu cucks

>>138771935
How do you get around the constitutional question? I'm fairly certain that the Spanish constitution says something along the lines of 'Spain is indivisible'.

why are so many catalan separatists communists?

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>>138771935
>Ask a catalan separatist anything
What the fuck is Catalonia?

>>138771935
would valencia and the baeleric islands join catalonia since they are the same language but different dialects or is it just catalonia?

>>138771935
YOU CAN TELL SHE TAKES MASSIVE BBC

YOU JUST KNOW

>>138778124
>Abandon your culture and roots in favor of efficiency

Fucking globalist.

Listen to your overlord, see:
>>138778270

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>>138778251
>I don't give a fuck about flags I just want my catalonian caliphate inshallah it will be soon
Then you need to vote "remain" and integrate further into the EU, you braindead moron: Mutti Merkel will make sure everybody in Europe are shitskinned towelheads within a couple generations.

>>138778919
I hope all Puerto Ricans are that cucked, hopefully they will never become a state. As much as I favor groups embracing their heritage, I don't want millions of Spanish speakers

>>138779024
islam doesn't mean sharia law, just watch women from türkiye, morocco or syria

>>138773466
>The best way to understand it would be to put yourself in the same situation as us: imagine Germany conquered the Netherlands
Spain didn't conquer Catalonia. Catalonia was part of Aragon. Aragon and Castille were united by the marriage of the Catholic Monarchs

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>>138777239
>What do you think about Basque independence? Also, will Spain really allow this?
If we succeed then basques will go next I'm 100% sure. Ofc Spain won't allow it but what are they going to do, send the tanks?

Foreign people don't know about the reality of Spain so here is a quick summary. Spain is a multinational country just like the UK, the main difference is that in the UK England is the biggest and most populated region and also the "locomotive" and economic powerhouse of the country and thus the smaller nations like Scotland and Wales are more or less happy to follow the big dog. In Spain, instead, Castile is the biggest and most populated region but has always trailed behind Catalonia and the Basque country in the economy and general development so nationalistic and separatist sentiments are very strong here.

If you take a look these regions are very important for the spanish economy, Catalonia has the biggest total GDP of Spain and the Basque country the fifth, the former being in fourth place per capita and the later the second. Excluding the capital only 4 other regions are above average and these ones are very lowly populated compared to the drag that represent the majority of the spanish population. So it's no wonder the spanish goverment will fight tooth and nail so we remain in the country because without us they're toast.

Now the Basque Country and Navarre (this one is semi-basque) have a special economic system with privileges which the other regions don't have, and there have been many talks to take it from them. If Catalonia become independent there would be a lot of pressure so the Basque Country and Navarre pay their fair share of taxes, thus pushing them too to their own independence movement.

tldr: Spain depends heavily on Catalonia and the Basque country to survive and the spanish goverment will do the impossible so we keep being part of it.

>>138779514
WE WUZ CONQUISTADORKS AND SHIET

>>138777110
You still haven't given us sauce on the OP image, not getting anything on reverse search.

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>>138779601
Good and interesting post, I'll be rooting for you guys and will make sure to visit if you become independent!

>>138778124
It's our own language so ofc we're gonna speak it and it is essential if you live in Catalonia.

>>138778258
That would be the opposite, Europe is very rich in nations and peoples so small countries are the best approach.

>>138778394
Sadly joining the EU is wanted by the majority, we're not cucks but as any place only a minority of the population is truly redpilled.

>>138778470
I know but after all it's just a piece of paper. If their argument is "you can't decide your own future because in this document we wrote says you can't" they won't go anywhere.

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>>138771935
My grandfather probably hunted down your grandparents like the filthy catalonian dogs they were. Hala Madrid faggot

>>138780150
>it is essential if you live in Catalonia.
not in Barcelona. Stop fooling my bros

>>138779601
For the Basque country to be fully independent it would also require France to relinquish territory. Do you really see Spain giving a referendum to the Basque people anytime soon? It would be seen as giving in to ETA, they only disbanded in what? 2011?

>>138778498
We (catalans) are not but there is a sector of separatists that are indeed dirty commies. The explanation is simple: Catalonia attracted millions of poor spanish immigrants, they have been born and lived here for many decades so many have become independentists. As you can imagine since they're not ethnically catalan their vision of Catalonia is that of a socialist republic where everyone is welcomed, in other words it's immigrants shilling for civic nationalism.

>>138778523
I very much doubt it. Only a very tiny minority of valencians and balearics want that.

>>138779514
Yeah we united because of the marriage of a king many centuries ago. That's even worse than a conquest imo.

You do realise this is one big larp? Spain will, as they did before, just ignore the vote

>>138780770
what will you do when we muslims become a majority in wilayat catalonia?

>>138780150
>Now the Basque Country and Navarre (this one is semi-basque) have a special economic system with privileges which the other regions don't have, and there have been many talks to take it from them. If Catalonia become independent there would be a lot of pressure so the Basque Country and Navarre pay their fair share of taxes, thus pushing them too to their own independence movement.

yeah, look at the balkans, that sure looks great
also: catalonians are die-hard europeist, aren't they? They'll gain indipendence from Madrid to be still under "foreigners" rule (european bureucrats")? What are you actually gaining? And what are you losing?

>>138779601
>Navarre is semi Basque

Wrong.

>>138781077

Sovruntee innit.

Its like the retard scots who want independence and then want eu membership. Swapping london for brussels.

Why do far left shithole commies (Québec, Scotland, Catalonia) always want independence despite relying the most on their own host country?

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>>138778519
Pic related. We will be having a referendum to become independent of Spain in october 1.

>>138779975
Thanks mate.

>>138780302
You will only use spanish if you're a toilet cleaner, garbage man or work at mcdonalds. In any job that requires to use the brain catalan is more needed than spanish.

>>138780495
I was only refering to the Basque Country in Spain. Spain won't allow any referendum, the basques have to take the initiative and do it themselves regardless of what the spanish goverment says.

>>138781346
Wasn't it at least historically Basque speaking?

I'm happy to see a pro Catalan thread created by someone other than me

I got two questions

What are you're thought on your hermanos is galicia gaining independence

Do you agree that Puigdemont will separate if the vote goes through or will he fall short

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>>138779432
>#NotAllMuslims
Go peddle this bullshit somewhere else, Abdul.

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>>138781013
All the muslims have been imported and given spanish nationality by Spain, so technically they're spanish and could be deported. But as much as I'd like that to happen it seems unlikely, at least being independent we will finally be able to control our borders and decide who come here and who doesn't.

>>138781077
Well now we're under the rule of Spain who at the same time are under the rule of the EU. At least we will get rid of one of them. It's a win no matter how you look at it.

>>138781346
Pic related, it is. I've been to Navarre and in the northern part you see basque flags everywhere.

>>138781453
Actually Spain rely on us.

>>138781617
Yes. The Navarrese (sorry if I spelled it wrong I'm Italian) are basque, but they just got influenced by the Castilian too much. North Navarre is very basque but the south identifies with Castile

St. Francis Xavier and Ignacio Loyola were basque from Navarre, but Spain claims them as their own

>>138781077
Also, you also have duties thowards Europe. You will make Europe weaker, possibly starting a chain reaction which could destroy the EU.
That said, I'm a europeist, even if I think that Italy doesn't really need Europe, for the character of my people is such that, whatever happens, we will always be in the first 10 position of quality of life, while not having to fear wars (the same can't be said for many other western countries).Yet, I hope we can make this thing work, but you're damaging "our" cause by being selfish, because your indipendece can have awful consequences and is, unequivocabily, a meme.

>>138778519
catalonia (or spanish marsh, for the french) is the easternmost part of spain. It has nice mediterranean beaches, brown people loitering around and some catalans here and there.
the north has mountains and is cold enough to have snow. It is also the best part of the region, with the best people as well

if it pisses off the globalists/libtards I'm all for it, good luck.

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>>138773466
Based catalonia, start the seperatism.
Based basque country
Based andalucian seperatists based galician seperatists, this will get different regions to question if they really want union with other lands.

>>138771935
Why is Catalonia filled with so many commies? i might consider supporting your cause if it wasnt associated with so much cancer

The main reason that Catalans want independence is because they got brain bashed into believing that Spain steals taxes and if they get independent they will have double nationality meaning double benefits double pay check when you cant move your ass.
The ideologically motivated ones aren't even noticeable besides the ones sitting in office, just remember them that if they get independent burgers will plant their Carrier in Tarragona and all that free money promised will be given directly to the new overlords.

>>138771935
How will you keep Catalonia from becoming a communist/ anarchist breeding ground?

>>138779916
It's Hitomi.

>>138781876
>What are you're thought on your hermanos is galicia gaining independence
0 chance, galicians feel very spanish and are very proud of being part of Spain. PP (right wing pro-spanish political party) always wins the most votes there.

>Do you agree that Puigdemont will separate if the vote goes through or will he fall short
If the referendum finally happens and the YES wins then I'm sure Puigdemont will declare Catalonia independent.
But what I think that will really happen is that the spanish goverment will become increasingly nervous and cede and give Catalonia more autonomy so Puigdemont cancels the referendum.

>>138782388

The worst thing is that Catalan independence is inevitable. Why? Because Madrid gave Catalonia control of education and tv. So they pump out pro Catalan messages 24/7. Young Catalans support independence even more than older people.

That's unlike Scotland, where because of no 2 languages like Catalan vs Spanish, the Scots watch the neutral BBC.

So its gonna happen if not now but 10 years time.

>>138771935
/pol/ should support independence for various peoples. Making countries smaller and more local is a position that makes sense in anti-globalist terms. And if they are liberal that just means that the future Spain will be easier for conservatives to influence without meddling minorities.

>>138771935
Why even bother?

>>138782819
Catalonians aren't fuckin people cuck boy

>>138783270
>have their own language
>likely have their own traditions
Sounds like a distinct group, friendo

>>138782481
Well now I'm disappointed. Thanks, I can see the face now.

>>138782710
>0 chance
The Gallego in me died a bit

Pretty much everyone in Galicia speaks Galician as a first and primary langage, outside coruña Santiago, vigo and ourense. Why would they feel more Spanish?

>>138783352
Arabs have their own language and culture, guess what? They aren't people either.

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>>138782356
We have the same ammount of commies like anywhere in Europe really. The "Catalonia is commie" is a meme created by spaniards to defame us.
Check pic related, after the restoration of democracy in Spain a right wing party has won 8 elections, 1 a nationalist party and only 2 a socialist party (kinda like your labour). Hardly the results you'd expect in a heavily communist region don't you think?

>>138782388
Lies. We're catalan so we want to live in a country called Catalonia, it's this simple.

>>138782399
Won't happen don't worry. Catalonia will improve very much once we put catalans in charge to make decisions.

>>138771935

m8 ive been to barcelona, its fucking swamped with niggers and 40-year old pajeets selling mojitos.

what do you even want, more niggers?

>>138783475
edgy

You are Spanish, OP, and you always will be!

>>138771935
Dont forget you are here forever.

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>>138779130
If we don't become a state we'll just keem moving to the mainland like we've been doing for the last few years. 100k estimated to leave by year-end

>I don't want millions of Spanish speakers
Too bad there's already more PRs in the mainland than the island itself.

>>138783445
because 80% of the gallegos live in the cities you mentioned, and they indeed are as much castillians as they are galicians

we will preserve their language and some culture though, we couldn't save asturian dialects here (except for mirandese) but galician is very well decomented and can be re-created without problems (like basque was)

>>138782727
Na, nothing is going to happen

>10 years time.
they said this 10 years ago

>Worst case scenario
Guarcia Civil enters Parlament the Cataluña says hi to based Mossos de Squadra guarding the entrance.
Takes the President del Parlament and they drag him around Barcelona for a bit of a show
Done.

>>138783683
Hopefully we'll dump you all together

>>138771935
Can we talk about something important like... source?

>>138783637
Whay types of demographics are against seperatism, nationalists?
Why would nationalists support a state that is against your people?

>>138783973
Spanish state allows immigration, is anti nationalist and oppresses the people.

As a catalonian Spaniard the only thing we can do is ignore the larp. They want to secede on a 51% for vote, not sanctioned by the spanish government and regardless of turnout. It's the most illegitimate farce I ever heard of. They make a mockery of democracy and they will force me to vote for the PP for the first tiem in my life.

>>138771935
La unión hace la fuerza

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>>138783476
shut up kid, you even hiding behind a Nazi flag larping

Show your real face!

>>138782727
Dude there is 2 catalan TV channels while countless of spanish ones, and there is no politics in school.

>>138782819
Exactly this. You'd expect /pol/ to support our nationalistic endevour instead of supporting globalism. That being said many anons here are spanish users so it's normal they're against us.

>>138783445
>Why would they feel more Spanish?
No idea really. Of the 3 historical nations (Catalonia, the Basque Country and Galicia) only Galicia is pro-spanish. And I don't want to seem pessimistic but spanish is increasingly being used there instead of galician. Keep in mind Franco was galician, and so is Rajoy.

>>138783871
Trump supports self-determination, so that won't happen :^)

>>138782727
There are scottish channels and scots have significant control over education. In fact it's been in the news how their new curriculum fucked up maths, english and science results completely.

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>>138783476
Catalonia was a commie/syndicalist stronghold in the civil war. Don't tell me a great deal of that sentiment hasn't survived.

If you haven't Homage to Catalonia, you'd best get cracking.

>>138784181
they want more gibs me dats for their political class, nothing new.
Madrid will give them more privileges if they keep the pressure on, and they know it

>>138771935
Do it. You can live without them; they might not be able to live without you.

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>>138783530
>Spain controls immigration
>we get flooded with shitskins

>Catalonia controls immigration
>we get to decide who comes here and who doesn't

What I see is the chance of improvement.

>>138783973
Outside Catalonia everyone is against us except basques and a few valencians, balearics and galicians.
In Catalonia the core separatists voters are ethnic catalans while anti-independence voters are spanish immigrants and their descendants.
You have to keep in mind that millions of spanish immigrants came here looking for a job, so much that now we've become a minority and they're the majority of the population. Tha'ts why winning the referendum will be very hard even though 99,999% of native catalans will vote YES.

>>138778523
Fuck no, we have the economic background of catalonia without the cucks and commies
Fuck em

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>>138784234
I guess you're right. First and only time I was in Spain I went to Galicia, La Mancha, and the Basque Country. I was able to wear my Spain soccer jersey without a problem everywhere except the Basque Country, where I was told to take it of because people only wear athletic club shirts

Speaking of soccer, I'm 100% sure the Catalan league would happen, but would Barça annd half the good Catalan teams even join?

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>>138771935
Neck yourself faggot

>>138778519
Please stop posting this image. Thank you.

>>138784181
>catalonian Spaniard
No such thing. You're a xarnego who have to go back.

>>138784850
I know but times change, that was like 80 years ago. Not to mention that the anarchist movement of then has nothing to do with the globalist marxist movement of today.

>>138784965
>>Catalonia controls immigration
>>we get to decide who comes here and who doesn't
It seems you don't know your own region

>>138784965
Why would everyone outside catalonia be against seperatism?

>>138779514
well, you can undersatnt the "succession war" borbons vs habsburg as an annexation... because basically you force a "nation" into submission, keep in mind that catalonia had their own identity(courts, law and other things) until that point.

>>138782060
>Implying its not the native catalonians who push the refugee and inmigrant narrative the most
As a catalan speaking balearic who lives in Barcelone from time to time I have no problem with most catalonians
That being said, denial fags like you need to be hanged ASAP, Catalonia is no fairy tale land so just fuck off already

>>138785431
Same reason why almost nobody outside the south wants the south to rise again. They hate to see people wanting to form a country within their country

>>138785431
>Inside cataluña they want it
They voted already some years ago and people voted against it, It's all corrupt politicians playing with the most retards citizens like OP

>>138785576
Not your land or country, you dont live there so you dont decide for the people that do.

>>138785576
Your country is USA southern country is CSA.

>>138781474

>You will only use spanish if you're a toilet cleaner, garbage man or work at mcdonalds. In any job that requires to use the brain catalan is more needed than spanish.

Where do you live to see that? :S

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>>138784865
>Madrid will give them more privileges if they keep the pressure on, and they know it
That's sadly what probably politcians have in mind. I hope for the best though.

>>138784959
>You can live without them; they might not be able to live without you.
True. Pic very much related.

>>138784983
>we
Who is we? Balearic islands are quite behind us, Valencia much more.

>>138785074
I don't follow football and don't know much about it but catalan clubs probaly will still play against spanish ones in the same league. Barça will be ruined without playing in la Liga but without Barça la Liga will be ruined too.

>>138785126
Those are spanish citizens Manolo. Enjoy them because they're going back to the country their DNA says: España.

>>138785954
I don't know if you know who Steve Pieczenik is, but he says separate.

>>138771935

"I don't care about flags but Catalonia makes my little ding dong tingle"

" Spanish are dirty nationalists that won't let us be independent, we wouldn't let any catalonian region be independent from the rest, but our nationalism is different somehow!"

"Also I will post behind a Nazi flag just so people can disregard my comments the moment they see them like the teenage tantrum they are, but no spanish trolls allowed pls ok?"

"I'm totally not able to make an argument on how independence would benefit me in any way, but the media controlled by people who have an economic interest in pillaging Catalonia say that independence is good for me so I'm in"

"Finally, I want to cut ties with Spain and close frontiers so that my newly founded country will be the inbred cesspool that I dream of, because that will be good for us and also my cousin is hot af"

Look dude, go make your own country out of Catalonia or whatever the fuck you like and be happy. We don't care if you go or if you stay. Go dig your own grave for all we care. Greetings from Madrid.

>>138773466
>imagine Germany conquered the Netherlands and it became a little region subservient of Berlin 500 years ago, wouldn't you want to be independent?
Fixed your obvious mistake.

>>138785954
>Those are spanish citizens Manolo. Enjoy them because they're going back to the country their DNA says: España.
Keep dreaming, buy you know nothing about Catalonian reality

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>>138785954
>they're going back
Sure, have you been paying attention to your city these days?
>tourist go home, refugees welcome
>sand niggers kill a bunch of people
>not all muslims, we love muslim dick

>>138771935
Balkanize Spain, great idea op, I'm sure the bongs will be ecstatic.

>>138771935
You're not going to try anarchism again like you did during the 1930s?

>>138771935
>Catalonia
>a country

You haven't got a hope, sorry.

>>138786171
what's your point? that because is 2017 we should forget the past? you should make stronger arguments...

>>138785954
I don't think Barça will be ruined much more than what bartomeu is doing. I think if Barça joined the Catalan league it would turn into the new, slightly better MLS, with old players trying to build up the league, and basically everyone there a soccer fan already

Barça would probably become good Europa league contenders, but certainly not champions league. They might get lucky one year like steau or Celtic but that's about it

>>138771935
why are all this catalonia cucks so brainwashed by their '''''state''''?

>>138786171
Cataluña was never independent from Spain
Crown of Aragon =/= Cataluña

>>138785413
I know that we're full of shitskins under the spanish giverment controlling the borders. Even the worst case scenario will be an improvement to the current situation.

>>138785431
Because they don't want Spain to brake up, they don't want to become a lesser version of what they're now. Also they depend heavily on our economy and their life quality will worsen without us.

>>138785474
Never said it was a fairytale but it's true that Catalonia is better than Spain, so on our own we will improve our situation. Btw if you're not happy you can fuck off back.

>>138785691
We never voted don't tell lies.

>>138785902
Are you joking? Anywhere in Catalonia is the same. Medium to low class is spanish, medium to high class is catalan.

>>138785576
That's because the south is associated with slavery.

>>138785954
>Those are spanish citizens Manolo.
Don't you mean Catalans?
http://archive.is/pvQS7

>>138786550
>we should forget the past?
You mean you should be part of Aragon and accept you speak Valenciano?

>>138783877
hitomi

>>138786737
Have you talked to people outside catañonia if they support catalonian seperatism?
I fully support catalonian seperatism.

If Cataluña win his indepedence, the EU will kick him out.

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>>138786737
There has never been a Catalan kingdom
Neck yourself

>>138771935
I don't like Castillans, but I don't like Catalans either, they're commies and have always been

>>138786090
Lol I used to watch his videos but I haven't in some time recently. Gonna do it now.

>>138786094
I think I'm making my arguments using reason and logic honestly.

>>138786207
>>138786222
Xarnegos will go back too so all commies will disappear. I hope Spain starts a program to repatriate your people.

>>138786677
The thing is that in a catalan league there would the monster that is Barça and the rest amateur nobodies.

>>138786727
The Crown was controlled by catalan kings and Catalonia was the most important part of it.
And yes, we were independent: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Principality_of_Catalonia

>>138787092
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Count_of_Barcelona

they merged with aragon later. but they were independent after the franks reconquered the region.

I know this thread is dead, but a final bump with some of my thoughts.
I think both the central govern of spain and the region of Catalonia are major failures. But i think that moving a small rock to produce a chain of reactions to move a big rock is easier than to move the big rock from the beginning.
I want to belive that the regular catalan is a pragmatic person, in theory they used to be, you should search the "seny" philosophy and in great part they are tiredless, but some have become lazy and have embraced radical left-wing vies, so that could be a problem.
In short, i think catalonia has great potential, but also its weakness, but at the end, we should at least decide, so we, the people, nor spain nor the autonomus government can decide for themselves what the people want. I mean, i was disgusted when i saw how the media pushed for the "trump is a nazi" and i wasn't event that into american politics.

>>138771935
If Catalonia is leaving, the Basque should be free too

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>>138787431
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Principality_of_Catalonia
Realm of the Crown of Aragon (1162–1641, 1652–1714)
Realm of the Monarchy of Spain (1516–1641, 1652–1714)
Realm of the Kingdom of France (1641–1652)

Good thing that Catalonia secedes, it will make an easy prey for us. (also French Catalogne is pretty right wing)

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If there is a civil war Spain should request mexican assistance against the rebels. My boxcutter hungers for removing catalonian faces

>>138786823
Lol you're pathetic, that became a comercial center a long time ago.

>>138786952
I haven't talked to people outside of Spain but inside of Spain (excluding Catalonia) nobody wants it.

>>138787086
>implying the expansionist EU reich will let anyone be free
We won't even will need to ask Manolo, they will offer us to join.

>>138787092
Check my other reply. You're clueless.

>>138787130
That's a meme mate. Check the pic in >>138783476.

>>138787557
not him, but spain has a complicated history, so you should take whit a grain of salt all this "kingdom of spain"

No one cares about your irrelevant shithole OP

delete this thread it's wasting server space.

>>138784965
>Catalonia controls immigration
>we get to decide who comes here and who doesn't

This is just a fantasy, I'm for Barcelona as well and this white supremacist mind does not exist in Catalonia (maybe because we've been permanently bullied by the spanish powers). All the politic movements are pro inmmigrants and welcoming refugees.

It seems like you want to create a politic movement haha.. Tell me just 1 politic movement in Barcelona that agrees with that.

>>138787553
Galicia, Al Andalus, Catalonia, Euskera, Valencian, and Catalonian seperatism from Spain.

>>138771935
If you had to, would you be willing to kill every single Spaniard to secure your independence? Do you think you guys have any chance in the upcoming civil war?

>>138786823
are you saying that we should speak iberian and dress with a "tapa rabos" c'mon man, a little of common sense

>>138787431
>Xarnegos will go back too so all commies will disappear. I hope Spain starts a program to repatriate your people.
that's whishfull thinking, your gauche caviar (mostly mid-to-high class) would never allow such thing to happen. I've seen that film far too many times by now.

the basques are playing the long game, They'll see independece long before you do. Maybe they even get navarra and parts of rioja if they keep like that
these are lots of "if"s though

>>138787758
>>138787758
I know our history and I repeat
There has never been a Catalan kingdom
They have been always part of other kingdoms

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>>138787996
Euskera Herria will annex all of Castile.

>>138787505
There is the same indoctrination here than anywhere in the West, but at least becoming independent we can make our own decisions to decide the direction of the country. Right now we're falling in the globalist trap together with Spain.

>>138787557
What's your problem faggot? You said we were never a country and I showed you we indeed were. You find funny the fact that you were proved wrong?
>The Principality of Catalonia is a historic territory and a medieval and early modern political entity and state in the northeastern Iberian Peninsula

>>138787666
>implying we won't take it back

>>138771935
Why do you suck dicks?

>>138787493
>Count
>Kingdom
Pick one

>>138771935
So, do you want to get out of Spain because EU diversity quotas are too low for you and you want to get even more multiculturally enriched?

>>138788132
and? i'm not who you wer initially responding, i don't really care to be honest( that is not one of the reasons i will vote yes), but you should at leat recognize that the history behind our flag is pretty epic

>>138783973
Catalonia was just conquered. And when someone conquers don't see anything else as his own property.. Even if there are angry people telling that the situation is unfair

to outsiders and insiders, and this being /pol/ a easy way to make yourself an idea about the relation spain-catalonia and why catalans want the independence, you could think it as a country-european union relations. i could explain alittle bit more if needed

>>138788389
I'm just saying that your TV3 history lessons are bullshit anon
Don't know why some catalans are so butthurt about it.

>>138771935
We can make you another PuertoRico...or Philippines ,it would not be bad to get other Spanish colony

>>138788770
You will make a good dead burger.

It took 126 posts for someone to ask for a source and it was barely provided and asked for again. I cannot believe this shit, are you all gaylords or something? What the hell is wrong with you

>>138788146
that would be amusing, to say the least.
the basques coming to north portugal are pretty chill people, them and galicians are the "good spaniard" visitors (calling them tourists would be an insult).

>>138787775
>Tell me just 1 politic movement in Barcelona that agrees with that.
None, but also none in Spain and almost none in Europe. Thing is being we got flooded by shitskins while being part of Spain, it literally cannot get any worse.

>>138787897
I'm willing to fight but we have no chance to win a civil war. Catalonia is a minority in Spain and catalans are a minority in Catalonia, the numbers are not on our side.

>>138787996
>your gauche caviar (mostly mid-to-high class) would never allow such thing to happen
I know but if some xarnegos go back voluntarily that's already a good step in the right direction.
>the basques are playing the long game, They'll see independece long before you do.
Spain treats the basques very well so they're kinda tamed for now, the only thing that can wake them up is our independence because then Spain will need many gibs and if they can't put their hands in our pocket they will try to do it in those lands. Navarra and la Rioja are a no no, it will never happen.

>>138771935
HAHAHAHAH

>>138787897
>If you had to, would you be willing to kill every single Spaniard to secure your independence? Do you think you guys have any chance in the upcoming civil war?
Catalans? How far are you willing to go? How far do you guys think you will get?

>>138788418
We were not conquered, it was an union by marriage. Learn a bit of history Paco.

>>138788770
I will kindly decline your offer.

>>138788873
Knowing the source ruins the gif. You don't want to know it.

>>138788873
99% of people posting here are nonwhite so boobs do nothing for us

>>138788923
Ah, I see. Well if the numbers aren't on your side then why go through all this larping? Spain will just crack down on you guys

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>ITT: Idiot who unironically doesn't think that the referendum will be considered anti-constitutional and has his head so far up his ass that actually thinks that a movement that only benefits itself from trying to be independent will succeed and make his """country""" the second Switzerland of Europe.
Nothing new, people. Go on to another threads, this is just as bad as niggers wewuzzing

>>138771935
I'm Russian my girlfriend is Catalan and is pretty racist, but we have a half Moroccan bull for MMF fun. Can we get in? Are you anti-immigration or open borders?

>>138789246
Basques killed the head of state of Spain.

>>138772186
Do you want to return under Spanish rule, my idiotic dutch friend? Didn't think so...
It's really ironic that a dutch person questions the reasons for independence from Spain.

>>138771935
Stay mad, Jordi.

>>138789246
Do you really believe there will be a civil war in Spain in 2017 because they don't accept a referendum?
If we win the referendum and become a country then perfect, if we don't then Spain gives us more freedom so we don't try it again in the future, it's a win-win situation.

>>138786737
Go back where? I'm a native catalan

>>138788702
i know that(i don't know why you think tv3 is behind any of that). But, if you stand by what you said, you have to belive that China is a democratic country because they consider themselves a democracy. What i'm saying is that what is writted or preached doesn't have to be the 100% truth, aka, being the "kingdom of aragon" doesn't mean catalonia has no power in there. do you follow me?

>>138779975
Shame you haven't been to Barcelona last week. You could have stopped the truck with your massive hamburger body

>>138789394
So?

>>138789525
I believe they're gonna crack down on you guys. Removing politicians, taking control of the police, that kind of thing. At that point you guys can either enjoy the big spanish cock or rebel

>>138789326
Not another Switzerland but will we be better than now? Yes. Will you be worse? Yes. I don't need any more reasons.

>>138789393
Are you admitting you get cucked willingly?

>>138789439
Exactly. Some people just don't get it.

>>138771935
I want them to achieve independence and then see the spanish military invade them lol

>>138789925
i don't really know why you hate other spaniard, neither i think it is beneficial for catalonia, stop please. We have the same common enemy, the central government

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>>138789785
I didn't tell you to go back?

>>138789919
>I believe they're gonna crack down on you guys. Removing politicians, taking control of the police, that kind of thing.
I think it won't get to that point but if it does it will only bring more people to our side.

>>138790088
Who? These faggots? I could beat all of them with my eyes closed.

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>>138789925
If Catalonia becomes independent, all Spanish companies will go back to Spain leaving Catalonia borderline bankrupt not even counting the huge amount of fucking debt you're in.
>Will you be worse? Yes.
Are you fucking joking? All that 2% muslim population will go away and Catalonia could literally become an Islamic Republic like Iran, say bye to your Sagrada Familia.
>B-B-But they go back to you! haha
They promised all the muslims who vote for independence citizenship.
Nice bait thread, amigo.

>>138790169
They hate me first so I hate them back. Action ->reaction.

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>>138790384
>He thinks he could fight a Legionario

>>138771935
¿Cuando visite Cataluña podré hablar Español (o Castellano) en cualquier parte o se pondrán a hablar todos catalán?

>>138788923
spain is disfunctional, always has been. The basques are consolidating their position, spreading their language and pride - while spain (country) keeps decaying both in authority and purpose. They are riding the tiger.

Catalunya burns bright like a star, but that also mean you'll be consumed by your own sucess, Barcelona is far too atractive to foreigners and other spaniards alike, they will keep flocking to it (while bilbao is quiet and unnoticed, growing stronger), undermining the organic integration process and in turn weakening your society (as it happens with europe in general). It is this sucess inebriation that is subverting the more cosmopolitan people in europe and independence will only leave you more exposed

>>138790384
>I think it won't get to that point but if it does it will only bring more people to our side
Maybe, but at that point it won't matter anymore

>>138789925
I'm not cucked, he just fucks me and her for fun
>>138790088
why do you oppose the independence? Catalan people have a right to determine their own fate instead of being slaves and cow milk for Madrid

>>138790434
What makes you think that all companies will leave Catalonia and go back to Spain? It's stupid.
It's actually the opposite, all the companies that now go to Madrid because it's the capital will need to open a branch in Barcelona.
And we will be richer which will allow us to reduce taxes while good luck with you feeding Andalusia so many gibs without us.

>>138790384
Remember, 8 bullets 4 killed by one legionario

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>>138790918
>W-W-What makes you think that all companies will leave Catalonia and go back to Spain?
Nothing, just the fact that literally said they would do and are doing.
https://okdiario.com/economia/2017/01/02/independentismo-provocado-44-empresas-hayan-ido-cataluna-2016-640573
http://www.expansion.com/economia/2017/01/24/58873f8622601de53f8b4687.html
https://okdiario.com/economia/2017/01/22/empresas-catalanas-cambian-sede-social-secreto-huir-persecucion-independentista-683801
http://www.lavanguardia.com/economia/20151129/30461707687/empresas-marchan-catalunya.html
Uh oh, is little Jordiland becoming Extremadura 2.0? Will little Jordi start to cry?

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>>138790434
guess what, the majority of government will fuck up everything... i just want that people who come here learn a bit of catalan and kids to learn catalan as first language in school, you can teach them spanish at your house, and you can talk in other languages, is so hard to do? you have other autonomus communitys, why you come hare but don't respect our culture? why? you are the same as the assylum seeker that comes to europe and then talks about how great is silam and sharia law, why you didn't stay on your country then? answer me
All this independent thing wil not be a thing if spain was organized properly not like the frankenstein way it is now. it shouldn't be a central government that govern spain, it should be a round table of a pair or four representants of each community so get thing going in common fronts and don't obligate any community to do things they don't want.

The underlying force of catalonian separatism is Madrid ripping off Catalonia. Those corrupt politicians in Madrid can't handle anything and simply increase taxes to fund their ponzi scheme. Barcelona politicians are the same, just like the scottish ones : they say once Catalonia is free, free gibs will be guaranteed forever.

If Catalonia leaves, the spanish pension system - like everywhere in the West - will crumble. If that happens, the whole spanish economy will follow and, as a result, a monetary crisis will quickly spread accross to the whole eurozone.

Italy is no better, not to mention Greece. Greece is a lost cause but it is only 2% of Europe's GDP. France is also done.

That is why Trump's protectionist policy will fail. Once that happen, the capital will pour in the US and the USD will soar significantly.

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>>138786094
>>138786207
>>138786727
>>138786737


This reminds me of Bioshock Infinite. But the catalan edition kek

>>138790613
Todo el mundo continuará sabiendo castellano asi que sí podrás.

>>138790622
I also wonder how the second richest region in Spain (the Basque Country) has so few immigrants, and it doesn't even attract spanish internal migrants.
I disagree with your second part however, Spain attracts lots of immigrants and we get a huge % of them so as an independent country we will receive less immigrants because the ones landing in other parts of Spain won't have it so easier to come here. I don't know if I make myself clear.

>>138791350
dude, that is pure political talk, are you that stupid?

>>138791456
Basque seccessionism is basically dead. Catalan separatism is a thing that Jordi Pujol started to be praised as a god and to make himself rich.
Stop putting words in my mouth you filthy kike, I respect every autonomous comunity's culture and language, anything you literally sharted out isn't what I said.

>>138791350
Look you're living in dreamland. Catalonia is already richer (per capita) than Spain so it can only get better. No company will leave just like Andorra or Portugal aren't a wasteland and all their companies aren't moving to Madrid.

>>138771935
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sjoHOSFBgt8

>>138791932
what a time to be alive, jordi pujol? really? are you a fool or just and idiot?
if you respect every autonomus comunity why don't give them full control of their business? you are just a puppet that tries to paint catalans as radicals and centrist as common people

>>138774744
>the break up of Spain wouldn't be a happening we all would enjoy
Indeed. In the event that war breaks out, I'm thinking about enlisting. Which foreign demographic in Catalonia would you say has the best rape material?

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>>138792196
Damn... I wish I was as deluded as you are my fellow non-primary-speaking-castillian friend

>>138791747
you'll receive more, and if you dare send them back you'll see united nations slaping you with global sanctions (which spain and france will be more than happy to oblige, for diferent reasosn of course). Barcelona would break and soon the whole state sector would crash.

what you're saying is literaly portugal in the 60's - people starved during those times, the whole society went backwards and some of our best professionals (mostly engineers and bussinessmen) left without intention of ever coming back. The only diference is that we had a powerful dictatorship that kept anarchy at bay (through violence, fear mongering and propaganda, and also a war...)

>>138787092
you sound like china trying to lay claim to tibet with its "muh part of china for centuries" bullshit

I can speak french and I've seen catalan while reading the andorran constitution and catalan seems very much like french, much more so than spanish
>>138792254

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>>138792339
Nah, I'm just a patriot who loves the old Carlist patriotic Catalan and hates the enemies of my fatherland. On my previous post, I was mocking Cataluña as "Jordiland" to make separatists like you triggered. I love Catalans, actually, never said I hated them. I do hate separatists which by the way, aren't even mostly made up from native Catalans.
Santiago y Cierra España.

>>138771935
Are you more or less white than the rest of Spain?

Spaniards aren't white at all but I'm wondering if catalans think they are

>>138792880
due, i didn't understand what was intention then, lose time?

What party do you usually vote for?

>>138792399
>Which foreign demographic in Catalonia would you say has the best rape material?
Most are ugly but the russian in Lloret and Salou are fine material.

>>138792450
Well then support our independence man, all our companies will move to Spain and you will become rich overnight. We both get what we want.

>>138792803
You talk like Spain isn't a puppet of the globalists. If I have no choice but to receive immigrants then I'd rather put up with it in my own country than being part of Spain.
Right now we have the most immigrants out of all the regions of Spain, so being part of it certaintly doesn't help in this regard.

>>138789224
I was talking about Franquism in Catalonia

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>>138792982
The most white yes.

>>138792880
>I do hate separatists which by the way, aren't even mostly made up from native Catalans.
Like 80% of separatists are catalan or partially catalan and only 20% xarnegos while anti-independentists are 100% xarnegos.

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>>138793138
I was just seeing if the guy who made this thread is just deluded or smart, but he's actually both deluded and dumb. I know what separatist parties want, and I find it absolutely funny how separatists sperg out when they are proven wrong. OP can't even provide a source to all of his claims fucking kek.
Greetings from a region in the North of Spain. Saged.

Catalonia is overrun with commies, if they get independence they will turn catalonia into a 3rd world shithole.

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>>138773466
and you know better than her?

>>138793338
But before that we were already part of Spain so technically Spain under Franco conquered Spain. Civil war =/= conquest.

>>138793264
I used to vote CiU and in the last election JxSí.

>>138793726
Oh well you still aren't white because you're part of spain

>>138771935
>potentially a very huge happening with many repercussions
don't flatter yourself

>>138793970
Good luck with your Independence.

Your country is gonna be a noice place

>>138793887
Nah, you're just retarded. Believing that all companies will pack and move to higher taxed Spain is braindead tier. The ones that want already did and the ones that don't want won't do anything. Not to mention that the majority of companies based in Catalonia are created by catalans and have the majority of consumers there. Do you think la Caixa will love to Madrid when most clients are catalans? Do you think that SEAT will create new factories in Madrid just because you said so?

>>138793308
>Salou
I'll never set foot in that place ever again. Not enlisting, you guys have fun
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y9-mYg5VDzQ

>>138793976
Well we're in the process of getting rid of Spain so...

>>138794227
So the creation of a new country and the brake up of Spain isn't enough of a happening for you?

>>138794295
Thanks man.

>>138781474
fucking catalan sounds exactly the same lol

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>>138771935
rip spain. pic related is future of iberia

>>138793308
you're going in circles...
>spain is in the hands of globalists/corrupts
so is catalunya

>but I'm still positive about self-governance
but globalists will fuck you either through the government or through sanctions

>it can't possibly be that bad
exceot you guys are high profile as fuck, barcelona is A++

>but we can't be governed by spain, they're in the hands of globalists

I'll give the example of Porto, not the best example, but it might give you something to think about:
>similar position to barcelona in portuguese context
>super austere president (mayor for the anglos) is elected (and he would serve 3 mandates, 12 years)
>city goes "lights out" and loses a lot of movement since severe cuts hit culture and entertainement pretty hard
>the next generation of politicians is matured to counter the subservient serving other causes (both national and international)
>the 3 terms end, lots of debt was cleared, but the city is in a bad shape
>independent candidate is suported by the old president (which was affiliated to a party, otherwise he would never managed it)
>independent beats the usual party caciques and becomes president
>new president sets the lights on again
>the city blooms thanks to the piggybank made before
>local elite grabs power to fight the centralists and caciques
>economy recovers in the city (the surroundings are not part of the jurisdiction)
>national government starts undermining the president because they want their power back
>they fail miserably every time
we're going to elections and everything points to a complete victory for the independent, despite even the newspapers throwing whatever they find against the man.
Currently we have socialists, comunists, sindicalist commies and classic liberals all shitting on him at every opportunity and injecting money like mad in their respective campaings (the most expensive in the whole country by now) just to bring him down. And again, they don't have a chance even if they ally eachother

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>>138771935
así que estás aparte de los judíos planean dividir y conquistar la esperanza de que disfrutar de su historia falsa y la adhesión a la UE

>>138773466
>speaking in name of all the catalans

Off yourself mate.

sus kike overlords estarían orgullosos

Are Catalunia chicks qt?

BTW,
What do you think about Valencians?

>>138798066
not OP, but they are hot af

Usually they tend to have very nice bodies

>>138779601
you now, just beacause the basque country and catalonia are important for spain, that doesn't mean they would still be as powerfull

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>>138798066
theyre basically moriscos and gypsies

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Welp, hope you guys are prepared to be self determinant and defend your country from either Spanish nationalists/Religion of Peace opprotunists if this actually pulls through.

Not my country so I won't stop you.

>>138797484
This. With Europe more divided by each day, these countries would have no choice but to submit to the EU for a decent market that allows them to thrive.
I wish we had an Iberian union, there are many different communities here and the coexistence of many people would put the Castilians in check in case they powercreep

>>138799095
if theres a revolution ill travel to Spain to fight off the Catalonian hoards, but my Spanish sucks fat cock so ill sign language my way through the fighting

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>>138798726
And Jews.

>>138771935
Can you guys stop posting threads about your separation movement which is entirely inorganic and probably meant to further de-stabilize Europe?

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>>138799095
Goddamit his influence is growing

>>138799095
i think you are morally forced to invite us to your iberounion too desu

> tfw the name barcelona actually comes from the barças, a family of shitskin niggers from libya

>>138771935
Do you see your new Country taking in boatloads of African migrants in the very near future?

>>138771935
If the referndum is successful, would the Catalans claim Valencia, the Baelerics, French Catalonia and Andorra?

>>138771935
moar....

>>138801700
barcelona literally means "land of non-whites" for a reason

>>138804034
So them importing Africans and arabs is nothing new then?

This kills the Catalonian separatist LARPer
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RGrVuDGOt1M
¡VIVA ESPAÑA UNIDA Y SOBERANA!

>>138800589

What's up with that guy anyways?

>>138779716
>underrated

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>>138804479

>>138804723
JUNTS PEL SI!
Independentists are pathetic cucks, remember guys: supporting Catalonian independence means supporting cuckoldry.

>>138805305
But wouldn't it be like amputating the Cancer if Catalonia is a leftist shithole?

I was once talking to a Catalan and said: " she was Spanish, she came from Catalonia" (I didn't know about the beef between those wanting to leave and those wanting to stay). He seemed a bit annoyed, is this common among Spanish? Should I just treat Catalonia as an independent country? or maybe I should just stfu

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>>138804568
That guy didn't signed and shareded these petitions. He is a fag. Don't be a fag like him.

Let's get Antifa labeled as terrorists, official white house petition here:
https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/formally-recognize-antifa-terrorist-organization-0

Let's also get George Soros what he deserves for financing violent domestic terrorist groups:
https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/declare-george-soros-terrorist-and-seize-all-his-related-organizations-assets-under-rico-and-ndaa-law
Sign and share please!

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>>138806493
Perhaps, but we'd lose an important zone of Spain where we invested a lot and is very strategical commercially, but even if we got rid of it, nothing would change; there's no based parties, there are only left-wing parties, we're lost. The only solution is cleansing all of Spain, but that's only a dream. Whoever you vote in Spain, you're voting for the left-wing.

>>138773466
You are a disgrace to your ancestors.
España es Castilla y siempre lo sera.

>>138806827
Democracy was a mistake. Too bad that your King is cucked, Franco's policies might have been lacking in many things, but at least he never did anything as absurd as what we consider mainstream European politics.

All we can hope for is that crypto-currencies makes tax evation so massive that the welfare state collapses and all the leftists on the government dole ends up starving in the streets or prostituting themselves.

I'm of Catalan decent, via Cuba, what sort of citizenship options would there be for people who dig five flags such as myself.

>>138806699

Thanks for the links