Millennial Woes DESTROYS Sargoy Of Cuckold

Really want to see these two in another hangout together, Sargon is clearly hiding his true feelings about whites in his recent videos.

a fat unwashed neet that lives with his parents isnt destroying anyone m8

>>138758519
rude

>>138758940
sorry but that guy is a liability to your cause. you need more jared taylor types not people like this clown.

>>138758399
Sargon doesn't really care about what happens to the white race per say since he's an individualist, but he also wants stricter immigration policies for different reasons, and these policies will be implicitly pro-white regardless.

I honestly don't get the point of this recent demonization of civic nationalists and the strawman about how "they'd be fine with being replaced by brown people as long as they believe in freedumb xP". Of course we want white majority countries to remain while, we never said otherwise and we've made that pretty fucking clear from the beginning. We just don't think we necessarily need to have an all-white ethnostate and literally kick out every single brown person who was born in our countries.

Also Sargon's also only started making these kinds of "Nazis are bad" videos because of trolls who show up in his comments and attack him for not being extreme enough.

Millennial Woes, always /comfy/ as fuck. His soft Scottish accent always calms me down, no homo.

That being said, someone like Ryan Faulk or Mike Enoch would present a far stronger case against Sargoy's shit-tier individualist liberalism in a 1on1 debate.

>>138759215
>Of course we want white majority countries to remain while

why do you care?

>>138758940
He's right. Woes doesn't project success.

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>>138757460
based Woesy

>>138759059
Both are needed, you are not.

>>138757460
I thought millennial woes was a girl

>>138759215
Civic nationalism doesn't work, that is why it's mocked. Civic nationalism relies on blank slate theory, which is liberal bullshit

>>138758399
They did a 6 hour hang out debate before.

>>138757460
>Fat Scottish NEET with a drinking problems makes a video on his homosexual adventures in art college.

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>>138757460
Woes can be spooky

>>138759568
You're thinking of Roaming Millennial

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>>138759719
this

>>138759341
Because I'm a race realist who realizes that western culture is indeed tied to white people? That doesn't mean I don't have nonwhite friends who I know love this country, were born here, see it as their home, and will have a positive effect on society through their contributions.

>>138759618
Read my post again, I said I want to maintain a white majority.

>>138759729
yeah thanks for the clarification

>>138759215
>Of course we want white majority countries to remain white

But you pursue policies which undermine that. That's why everyone says you're stupid. It's not demonization, it's observation.

>>138760020
I read your post, I'm saying being civic is not enough to do so.

Once you let 2 brown people in they can have 10 kids and there's nothing you can do to stop that. They will just out breed you and take over. Either you oppose multiracialism or you accept you have no control of the demographics and high intelligence couples will have less kids (white, asians)

>>138760020
>have nonwhite friends
you are part of the problem, stop mixing with those shitskins. You won't be happy when you find your wife getting fucked by your nigger friend, unless you are into that.

>>138759974
>the phone call that saved glass-bottled coke

>That doesn't mean I don't have nonwhite friends who I know love this country, were born here, see it as their home, and will have a positive effect on society through their contributions.

Then why not just have 100% non-white people do that?

>>138759618
Civic Nationalism doesn't work because it requires tabula rasa to apply to the nation as well. A black will never understand what it means to be English, because he will never be English. He looks back at at European nation's history and sees people that don't look, sound, or act like him. Add into that that a non-ethnic is often on the receiving end of a nation's glory. We don't have to worry about the opinions of the French when erecting monuments to Trafalgar, but we would if we suddenly became 20% French and those French wanted to remain living as Frenchmen (which they should).

jordan peterson and brian oneal are also guilty of this shit.

its easy to be an individualist in a perfect world when no one is undermining your culture or identity.
racial thinking is just a part of humanity, stop denying it

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>>138760530
welcome to /brit/ where we suck off e-celebs that have the american corporate dick up their ass

>>138760020
Ultimately politics is a game of large-scale movements, playing on the sidelines doesn't achieve anything. If you don't defend white interests explicitly, they will die out. Overly intellectual babble with caveats every other sentence doesn't achieve anything, but only makes white interests seem even more marginalised; when our only defenders are mealy-mouthed cowards.

This weakness is what has enabled the left to ratchet the debate and continue to pull the right's arguments further and further to the left.

By all means defend non-white interests when we finally have the power to decide our future. But that choice is not ours to make until we have an identity and are prepared to act in our own interest.

TLDR: Until whites are in a position to defend themselves, your arguments only further ensure thier destruction, you're playing the middle ground in a rigged game.

>>138760333
What policies? Stricter fucking immigration laws? Mass deportation of illegals? For fuck's sake, sometimes I wonder where you get these baseless ideas from.

>>138760386
I'm fairly certain blacks weren't outbreeding whites in America back when it was 90% white. That's what I want to return to.

>>138760893
This is the ultimate come away from this video.

>>138757460
>tfw Enoch Powell would have destroyed Sargon so badly he would have cried for 10 minutes and started rounding up muslims
Where the fuck are our great minds?

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>>138759333
enoch, while a strong critic of neoliberalism, can be baited on nigger-tier topics like holocaust denial

>>138760943
>If you don't defend white interests explicitly, they will die out.
You don't fucking understand, I am defending white interests, and so is Sargon by proxy. You think we actually want to take in endless waves of third world immigrants? You think I don't know the consequences of mass demographic replacement? I'm literally on your side and it only took one fucking Murdoch Murdoch video and a bunch of leftypol shilling for you to be clawing at my throat.

>>138761208
I love the video of old Enoch.
>"What's wrong with racism? Race is the basis of a nationality."

>>138759215
Right so you want white majority countries but you don't want to kick brown people out ?

Which is it because by birth rates alone they would become the majority within 60 years. The alt-right has never asked for a 100% white country, they have also made this clear from the start. You think shutting the borders would work but it wouldn't, you have to go further than that and look into cutting welfare, offering incentives for them to go home. Put the power of the law back on the side of the natives etc...

This would NEVER be able to happen with civic nationalists because you don't allow yourselves to see race. This is why we have been calling you naive tossers for so long.

>>138761367
You're not on our side because you're still taking the cuck line of "w-w-well as long as they follow the law and are nice people."

We don't just need laws to stop non-white immigration we also need laws that privilege whites over other races.

>>138757460
Wow. Sargon got destroyed.

>>138760893
I agree, a homogeneous society is the only society in which the individual can supercede the collective, having to be aware of group loyalty is a sign of a fracturing society where people start to draw lines to fight for their group interests. It isn't something that can be intellectualised away with high-minded ideals, especially ones based on false premises like classical liberalism

>>138761396
Yeah man that one is great.
It makes me sad to see him old and still ridiculed despite being right on every count, though.
RIP Enoch. You were too good for us

>>138758519
Hillary Clinton and Shia le bouf disagree

>>138758940
Hope you're doing okay Woes x

>>138761557
I do want to kick brown people out, just not every single one. Like I said, I understand the importance of having a white majority, but I still don't use race to judge people ad individuals. I don't know if that makes me a civic or a white nationalist, or if I'm somewhere in between. But I think that's essentially what Sargon wants too even if he's totally race-blind.

>>138757460
>fighting identity politics with identity politics

>>138757460
He's got an inverse Hitler stache.

>>138761773
Also none of the "founding fathers" of classical liberalism were blind to race.

>>138759059
Woes is better than Taylor imo

Woes is much more sincere and thought provoking, Jared is like a red pill vending machine that doesn't require coins or a button press

>>138761635
>we also need laws that privilege whites over other races
Breeding incentives for whites? Incentives for nonwhites to not breed or return to their homelands? These are all things I'd support. I'd just like to avoid unnecessary violence because at heart I don't believe in racial superiority or purity.

>>138762116
Identity is the foundation of a nation. It's why European nations use the same word for the ethnic group, the language, and the nation itself. If you took all the Germans out of Germany and gave them another language, what would the nation be called?

>>138762114
>just not every single one
So what's your criteria?

>>138759215
>We just don't think we necessarily need to have an all-white ethnostate and literally kick out every single brown person who was born in our countries
Thats a strawman. No one wants to kick out native non whites.

>>138762508
i do

>>138762457
You can't avoid violence now. There's too many other ethnic groups competing for limited resources. Only violence, "the sire of all the world's values", will solve this.

>>138759215
This misunderstands the imminence of the threat, stricter immigration policies and deportations of illegal or criminal immigrants would've worked a few decades ago when the problem wasn't so dire, but even if you stopped immigration entirely all it'd do would slow down how quickly we became a minority by a couple of decades. I agree that all we can do at the moment is implicitly pro-white policies but the grass roots needs to be explicitly pro-white

>>138762508
>native
>non-whites

Pick fucking one.

>>138762646
Native means born here.

>>138762593
Also there's too many non-whites, and race-blind whites, to ever do such a thing in a democratic system.

>>138762757
>muh magic soil

>>138762116

I just want the white race to survive and ultimately thrive ... don't you?

>>138762116
That's a lovely platitude, when an army invades do you send your own army to repel them or are you going to start saying don't fight fire with fire? Fuckwit

>>138762469
>So what's your criteria?
Successful Ben Carson or Morgan Freeman types, mixed-race people, and the cast of HWNDU would get to stay.

>>138762584
Violence is inevitable in Europe, but I think violence can be avoided or at least mitigated in America, or at least it can be restricted to the cities and ghettos.

>>138762508
>No one wants to kick out native non whites.
lmao

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>>138757460
https://twitter.com/TrumInTheNorth/status/899793901724336130

>>138760982
Wtf! Of course they were.

Blacks pop out kids like rabbits because they are R-selected.

>>138762757
>born here
>Anchor baby born in American Soiil
>HE WUZ BORN HERE ESE! HE IS AMERICANO HOMBRE!
This is what kills America

>>138763028
I mean born to parents who were there legally.

>>138762757
Jus Soli doesn't make someone native.

>>138763024
Most of them were confined to their own little ghettos, though. They barely mingled with the general population, so even if they bred faster than whites they could still be contained.

>>138762949
No, you engage them in a rational debate about why they shouldn't conquer you and plunder your nation.

>>138762956
>Successful Ben Carson or Morgan Freeman types, mixed-race people, and the cast of HWNDU would get to stay.
How would you gauge that at the border?

And you'll only avoid violence in America if you can get the millions to willingly move to assigned ethno-states. Which will never happen because everyone will want the most successful and resource-rich parts.

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HULLO

>>138762116
You passive little bellend.

>>138757460
Isn't this guy a literal faggot?
Why would I listen to a literal faggot?

>>138763353

His hair looks better like that than the golliwog teir he normally has

>>138763317
>How would you gauge that at the border?
IQ and literacy tests? It isn't that fucking hard.

>>138757460
>breaking news
>one youtube loudmouth destroys another
>people should dedicate their time to this!

>>138763445
You listened to your dad, didn't you?

>>138761367
>and so is Sargon by proxy.
This confuses me though, why is he 'defending white interests'? I've yet to hear an explanation for why Sargon would want a country like Britain to remain white. The closest thing I've seen him talk about is the supremacy of Western/British culture and the need to preserve it but that in no way requires whites to remain a majority in order to achieve. A community of 'British' Indians could fulfill those requirements.

The only logical conclusion I can find to explain any preference for whites that he may have is that it simply makes it easier to preserve the culture in the short term. I'd hesitate to call that defending white interests.

New woes video

https://youtu.be/H4_n2ezPg6s

>>138763148
>I mean born to parents who were there legally
You know that doesn't happens in America m8

>>138763562
In his latest video he explicitly stated that he wants to limit mass immigration and deport illegals. That's about as pro-white as we can get at this point in time. He's a classical liberal, so he obviously hates fanatical religious Muslims and wants them out of his country.

>>138762757
A lot of the pakis are born here. Doesn't stop the vast majority of them being scum though does it

>>138763741
What about fanatical religious Muslims that obeyed the law?

>>138763498
It is, because even Australia is having trouble keeping the non-whites out.

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>>138762757
Look at this young Saudi Arabian kid.

Sounds retarded when you've not been brainwashed to believe it doesn't it

>>138763562
I think his guts telling him he should be pro-white but he doesn't want to give up the principles he's espoused for years so he's trying to work being pro-white into a liberal framework and what's come out is some wishy-washy compromised ideas with no real foundation. That's the feeling I get from a lot of civic nationalists

>>138762508
Even if you think that, I can tell by the level of discourse here and on other sites that this will not be the end result. The Jared Taylor sentiment will inevitably transform into an Andrew Anglin / Weev sentiment and it's impossible to stop. I already constantly see people on the right toying with the idea of killing people en masse. The right will eventually become as totalitarian as the left is right now.

>>138763741
>hush... sargoy just doesn't want to go full 14 88 yet, my fellow goys
how delusional can you get?

>>138764096
>sargoy just doesn't want to go full 14 88 yet
He doesn't want to go 88 at all, and neither do I. 14 is fine.

>>138764065
There's nothing totalitarian about wanting your group to survive over the other. Non-whites admit this, why don't you?

>>138763971
He's a quadroon himself and he has a black stepdaughter. He's legitimately worried that these people will try to slaughter him and his children, and I can't say I really blame him given the kind of rhetoric some of them espouse.

>>138763317
Y...y..you debate them ? What ? Is that a treadue quote or something ?

What fucking planet are you on son ?

Sargon of Mossad is a cuck and a nigger lover.

>>138764065
There's no such thing as 'the right' or the left'. Its a spectrum. I don't understand why you think the extreme ends of the spectrum would dominate.

>>138763883
All that a points-based immigration system does is keep out the detritus, you get to be replaced by Southeast Asians and Indians instead of Africans and Arabs. At best it's just a more peaceful way to go.

>>138764353
I still have no doubt that he feels white and he feels English and the natural urge is to want to defend your group when it's under threat

>>138764371
It was sarcasm, you numpty.

>>138764218
So you want to preserve white people and have them thrive, but don't want laws or cultural norms that benefit them in any way?

>>138758519
Great argrument m8, but my guess is you're a fat neet, so you can't destroy anyone either.

>>138761557
>Right so you want white majority countries but you don't want to kick brown people out ?

This. It's just completely inconsistent, either you have a problem with them or you don't. If you don't, why do you want to keep the majority white?
If you do, why do you insist on keeping any of them around?

>I don't like it when my dog shits on the carpet but I always leave one turd on there when I clean up

>>138764292
Do you want to mass murder innocent people? Because in the case of such an insurrection my moral compass would tell me that you're a terrorist and that I should be trying to stop you. And I know I'm not alone here.

>>138763741
It's certainly a step in the direction that most of us want Western countries to move.

My concern with his reasoning is that a situation with enough palatable immigrants will provide him little reason to continue to limit immigration. Being replaced by westernized immigrants is little better for whites/local ethnicities than by a tidal wave of Africans.

>>138758519
He doesn't live with his parents, he lives outside the country because he got doxxed

>>138757460
...hulllo

>>138764486
>I don't understand why you think the extreme ends of the spectrum would dominate.
Because I'm literally seeing it happen right now. The feel-good left-libertarian nihilism of the 90s eventually turned into the authoritarian globalist establishment we have today, and in the first time since Weinmar Germany we're seeing literal communist groups start to rise up. And they're being ENDORSED by the establishment.

Politics always gravitates towards extremes until the pendulum starts to swing back, and I don't see how the right would be any different.

>>138764567
>don't want laws or cultural norms that benefit them in any way
I already said that I did. You're either not reading my posts or you're trying to attack me through things I literally never said.

>>138764603
Look at what's happening in South Africa, and what happened in Rhodesia, if you want a vision of the future of our countries. What makes you think those who wish what we have will be peaceful once they have the power to take it by force?

This could have been done peacefully a few decades ago, but it's too late for that now. You must choose either a slow and peaceful decline into disenfranchisement in our former homelands, or exhibit a desire to assert dominance of the culture and the country for your own people.

>>138760982
If blacks weren't out breeding whites how do you go from 90% to almost 50%? Did the whites just mass suicide?

>>138763741
Like woes said in the video. His ideas would be well and good 100 years ago, not now though. Muslims, orientals, Jews and blacks will never see themselves as individuals like whites are doing right now.

Like someone said here and I hope it's true, shitskins will ultimately save the white race. Hopefully once this is done we see ourselves as a group and make sure WW3 is us against them.

I hope it happens in my lifetime

>>138764898
Why would it be any different? "Stark violence is still the sire of all the world's values."

>>138763801
One of my favourite sayings : If a rat is born in a stable, it doesn't make it a horse.

>>138760943
>Overly intellectual babble with caveats every other sentence doesn't achieve anything

One of the main problems the right is currently facing. Every other statement is prefaced by a
>Now, I'm not saying it's all of them who are terrorists, but [...]
Just cut the crap out and talk about the group you mean. If some assblasted libshit decides that you talking about the fact that a literal terrorist who had a deportation order on his head for months should not have been in the country means you equate all Muslims with terrorism, that's his problem. (It's also true but that's besides the point).

>>138757460
kek. I hate sarcuck of akkad.

>>138765123
South Africa is whites vs. blacks. In America there's so many different racial groups that I doubt they would somehow all band together to attack whitey.

As for Europe, I've already explained that I feel violence is inevitable, but I still hope that the current flow of events can be slowed or reversed so that violence can be mitigated. For fuck's sake, I just don't want people to die, I don't care what race they are.

>>138764218
>he wants to secure the existence of white people and a future for white children
top fucking kek, fellow pede!

He's a civ cuck, and a self-proclaimed mongrel. He literally said that he doesn't care about race but ideology, because if europe and america became a perfect melting pot of ideological integration, all problems would go away and we would all live happily ever after in the perfect peacful western mullato world.

>>138761326
You mean facts

>>138765179
The immigration act of 1965 caused the demographic decline. Blacks had already been in America for nearly 300 years prior to then and were never a signigicant problem demographic-wise.

>>138757460
bump. Sarcuck needs to get btfo

>>138762116
>Other races form racial groups and fight against white society, the white race, the native culture and refuse to accept responsibility and rather just call anything they have done wrong the white race's fault
>You intend on fighting these racial groups without forming your own
How in your autistic brain does that work?

>>138765590
What is the term POC if not that?

>>138762956
>Violence is inevitable in Europe, but I think violence can be avoided or at least mitigated in America

I've lived in both places and violence will be unavoidable in both. Won't even be the whites who start it.

>>138763274
Said blacks were actually really chill and didn't chimp out every month

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lrle0x_DHBM
What went wrong?

>>138765590
You mean like how they all vote Democrat?

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>>138765192
We can save the race war for later, but for now those of us in America are trying to fight off some wannabe Soros-funded commies. And if you want to help then I don't care what race you are.

>>138757460
get on a low carb diet woes you faggot

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h6aMN6NLOTQ

http://www.buttermakesyourpantsfalloff.com/

>>138765992
Pretty sure around 30-40% of Latinos vote Republican. It's not quite as polarized as your political map would lead you to believe.

>>138765853
Black is a shade not a color.

And considering their overwhelming general behavior, the appropriate term therefore should really be POS.

>>138766108
This

technically Civic Nationalism always leads to Etho Nationalism
it's best to have the thing slowly happen and not go "GAS THE KIKES RACE WAR NOW" just yet

>>138766108
kek

>>138765930
Shit like this is pretty clear evidence that blacks have contributed to American culture. Like I said, we don't need to kick every single one of them out.

>>138765814
It's the "You don't want to be as bad as they are, do you?" meme that permeates all media.

Was spread for a very good reason, too. Ensures that you can never win because you'll always handicap yourself, and even if you defeat your enemy you'll always stay your hand rather than delivering the final blow, ensuring that they get another chance to fuck you over.

Woes isn't a successful individual or inspirational, but he has some good points here and there. And is a bit of a different perspective

>>138766505
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q8wQYK1tJUc

Seriously what went wrong

>>138766290
Latino and Hispanic don't mean shit. Mestizos vote Democrat en mass.

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Bump.

>>138757460
I don't know why people make such a big deal over Sargon. At least, I don't understand the outrage whenever he makes a statement that isn't on the more conservative side.

I always went into his content knowing we split in politics somewhere. It's just a matter of waiting to see where that split begins. Any conservative that was on his ride should know to get off his boat at this point and start moving forward without him. He did his job, as a ferryman between politcal ilses.

>>138766693
Media wanted to present a friendly image of blacks, in reality black criminality and violence was only marginally better than it is today, probably because the police had more means to deal with it

is it worth watching this?

>>138757460
I like the both of them, but Woes is definitely the intellectual superior to Sargon. He dismantled Sargon's arguments in both the debate in 2016 and this video, in my opinion.

>>138766605
some of us care more about intellectual values than material ones

pleb

>>138767075
It's not like he's ever liked or allied himself with "Nazis" either. He did a pretty angry video response to a Daily Stormer article written about him back in like 2015.

>>138767221
Yes...that's what I was saying

You're having a hard time tonight finn

I just wrote a long post and then accidentally hit back a page.

In summary, Sargon's position is the idea that philosophy has reached an end in liberal, enlightenment ideas despite the fact it continued until nihilism firmly took hold. Now he clings to individualist ideas rooted in metaphysical concepts despite abandoning those concepts and embracing the material world alone. It's of significance that so many of his followers were the types caught up in the militant Atheist period prior to all this.

>>138767134
I think the jew pushing Mainstream Rap fucked them over

Seriously they were bad in the 80s but not as bad as today

>>138767469
I hate it when that happens. Sounds like it would have been a post worth reading, too.

>>138767582
>Seriously they were bad in the 80s but not as bad as today

Are you really sure about that? They keep saying the same about the Turks in Germany but I grew up in the same neighborhood as them and they've always been the exact same cancer. Just more numerous nowadays so less people can ignore the truth about it.

Woes is 100% right here. I listened to the video in work and it really showed the flaws in Sargon's argument. When I was listening to Sargon's video I was thinking "Wait, so he's admitting we are right?", but Woes articulated it a lot better than I could.

Woes' critique is on the money. Sargon is an Individualist who perhaps subconciously realises that traditionally white societies will not be the same without whites, but he doesn't want to admit that because that would mean he would need to reject Classical Liberalism.

>>138767469
Care to re-write it? I'm interested in hearing what you've got to say.

>>138764603
I don't want to but I quite easily could if I were doing it for the greater good of my people.

When I see land whales, marxists and niggers holding signs like we are replacing you or you're grand children will be brown. These cunts want a war but to play it in a shitty caniving way, call me old fashioned but I want machine guns, fighter jets and battleships. Let's see if they are worthy of replacing us.

>>138767469
This is why I always write long posts in gedit first.

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There's no point in trying to argue with Sarcuck. He holds firmly to the arbitrary axiom of "muh individualism! any sort of collective behavior is always bad!" and nothing you say will change this. He'll come up with all sorts of retarded reasons why it doesn't matter. You can get him to accept facts and statistics and data and he'll say "b-but we have to treat everyone as individuals, and data doesn't exist, and you're just a right wing ess jay double(you)!"

>>138767699
Well I live in LA so who knows really I've noticed the Spics were pushed out of Downtown LA by whites and said spics pushed blacks out of Compton I have no idea where the dindus are at

>>138767753
He's also not white himself so he can hardly advocate for white ethnostates, since that would get him kicked out, too.

He has a new video up criticising the Skeptic Community.

Holy shit, he's been dismantling these assholes lately and it's about goddamn time.

>The Alt-Right Are the Response to the SJWs! [reply to Adderly Hanna]
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H4_n2ezPg6s

>>138766575
Yeah exactly, moral superiority over self-preservation.

It makes me fucking sick, especially seeing as they are being played like a fiddle by the very people that want to destroy them.

Sorry about the war old chap, same shit different decade. I hope we can all be allies this time around.

>>138768038
Woes always strikes me as more canny than a lot of the "alt-right", so much so that I think they drag him down a little. He'd be more at home with the NRx crew.

>>138768225
He used to identify with them back in 2014/2015, but he's moved his scope to 'Alt-Right' now while still holding the same views.

>>138768225
He was a part of the NRx scene as was I, pretty much everyone who followed that stuff became ethno-nationalist just due to what's happening across the West

>>138762116
>implying this is a bad thing

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>>138766575
Fucking this. I can't stand that "if you fight your enemies, you're just as bad as they are!" shit. Meanwhile, your enemies continue to advance, and we continue to do nothing. Look at the "conservatives" who have failed to conserve a damn thing, because they'd rather lose with dignity than actually fucking win.

Collectives always win out against individuals. There have even been simulations done that show that etho-nationalism always wins out. Question is, WHOSE ethno-nationalism wins? If things continue as they are, then it will be muslim and shitskin nationalism, meaning we all get killed off. Or we can fight back and have white nationalism. In the long run, those are the only options. And then there are the retards like Sargon who will cling to "muh individualism" and bury their heads in the sand while everything erodes around them.

And when they get their windows smashed, and they get pulled out of their cars by packs of wild niggers, and they get their heads beaten to a pulp with bricks, at least they will be able to say "at least I was intellectually consistent!"

>>138762116
No fucking shit. If someone comes loaded with a gun and looking to shoot you, it's best to have a gun yourself.

>>138768136
It's especially stupid because the media itself that portrays this shit already shows that it doesn't work.

Either the villain gets away with it, in which case you end with a Batman vs. Joker situation where the Joker can endlessly keep wreaking havoc because Batman is too much of a pussy to just blow his brains out and call it a day.

Or the villain is still permanently removed from the picture to fix that problem - dying due to an accident when he tries to make a last move, shot by another person so the hero doesn't have to dirty his hands and so on.

Insisting on moral superiority is retarded when dealing with an amoral opponent.

I had a dream about woes. He was sitting in my dining room talking about Muslims and how we must stop immigration. Then I went to the fridge and saw that he had drank all of my coke so I got angry and asked him to leave but he wouldn't. He was just sat there at my pc smoking and laughing at random YouTube videos. Then I woke up. It was kinda gay desu

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>>138766575
Maybe there will be a final blow one day.

Whites will thin the heard in their own nations, the chinks will cook whatever remains for dinner once they control Africa and realise the white man doesn't care about "human" (((rights))) anymore

>>138768750

The problem is that these idiots refuse to cast away their retarded morality of universalism. NO ONE ELSE IN THE WORLD HOLDS A UNIVERSAL MORALITY SYSTEM. All these retarded concepts like liberalism, communism, anarcho-capitalism, etc all stem from a ridiculous notion that you HAVE to have a moral system that's totally universal and applies enlightenment ideas to everyone the same, no matter what.

It's so fucking simple to dump that shit. They say "hurr durr while you're just like XYZ". Doesn't fucking matter. I care about my people. "Moral" to me means doing things that help my people. The "radical individualism" of Sarcuck is retarded because you could also apply that to anything. You could argue that you shouldn't care about your family more than some shitskin in Africa. we're all just individuals, man. Caring about your family? That's COLLECTIVISM. you're a fucking trad-SJW!

>>138767583
>>138767794
>>138767959
I was probably guilty of waffling after a certain point so it's not the worst thing that I was forced to be more concise.

>>138769177
I have the same reaction whenever I get into an argument with some anclap who thinks collectivism means he's going to get thrown in a gulag while Stalin melts his gun collection into 10 inch steel dildos

>>138769177
You say that morals are subjective, but if you're a fascist or national socialist then you essentially believe that subjective morals should be enforced by the state.

>>138758519
that's no way to talk about Sargon

>>138757460
Why is Millennial Woes better at dialectic and debating than people like Spencer and Damingo?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jg5kL7PMpO8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PaTcbEnudbI

>>138768750
The even more ironic part is that they seem to grasp this concept, but only against the defenders of the white race, the '''''nazis''''', the white nationalists, conservatives etc.

Bash the fash and so on. So deep is their conditioning that they can be turned against an opponent (that is actually their salvation) and use amoral measures to put them down, whilst not noticing the same exact thing is required in dealing with racial groups that want to kill and replace them.
It's mind boggling. Truly. Those rothschilds and their minions certainly are machiavellian I give them that, hopefully they'll be put to death by cheesegrater from the feet up.

>>138761972
>>138761396
sauce?

I demand it now

>>138762469
>what's your criteria
I personally would like to keep everything voluntary. If someone is okay with living in a country which is explicitly white and won't care that a perfect cross section of the population get to be immigration ministers then by all means they can stay. In short, the country will be unapologeticly white and thus anyone who disagrees with this will likely take any financial deal we give them to go home, anyone left who is left who genuinely just likes living with white people can stay. This would probably include many of the people who fled the 1979 iran revolution and most people who immigrated before things started to ramp up hard.

I think a good cut off is the 90s.

>>138769579
Sargon's a different story, I think. He's not fully white, and he also has a nonwhite stepdaughter. He believes that if these people take over then they'll try to separate him from his child or possibly even slaughter them both, and I don't blame him for coming to these conclusions given some of the comments and posts I read here and on Youtube. He counter-signals the alt-right because he sees them as a threat to his well-being.

>>138761326

idk, Enoch is pretty good at deflecting away from shit like that and focusing on the topic at hand.

Whiteness is irrelevant. Russians are white and I don't want them in my country.

>>138769177
Honestly, sometimes I think they are just afraid of making decisions. If you have a universal morality system you never have to think and can always withdraw from any difficult situation, just applying the same 08/15 rules you always apply.

They even openly admit it at times.
>Who are you to decide who gets to [...]
Me. I can use my brain to think about a situation, weigh the pros and cons and then come to a conclusion that seems to lead to the best overall outcome for me and the people I care about. There is literally no other authority on this planet which could provide a better reasoning, all they can do is point out superior knowledge on the topic and then try to convince me why I'm wrong. If no one steps forward to do that, then I'll just go ahead with my decision.

But that takes confidence in your own reasoning, which they seem to completely lack.

>>138769599
You use a term like "subjective morality" too losely. Subjective implies that it's meaningless, like how how kike argue against morality by deconstructing everything and claiming that nothing is good or bad. That's not what I'm saying. I'm saying that moral is what's good for my people. You don't hold a lion or a great white shark to the same moral standards as us, right? does that make you a moral relativist? It's just semantic bullshit to conflate separate concepts.

There is an objective morality that applies to me and my people.

>>138765992
even the asians for god's sakes
>>138766290
Cubans count as hispanic and so do other white hispanics

>>138770661
>There is an objective morality that applies to me and my people.
Says who? Just you? Nobody has the same moral compass.

>>138757460
why does this guy always light his room like a fucking forensic lab

>>138766290
"hispanic" is a meaningless term. There are actually unmixed white people who come from spain or pure spanish ancestry in latin america. Cubans in florida marginally voted in favor of Trump, for example. Why? Because many of the cubans that fled here during the communist revolution were white (the nigger shitskin ones who entered on trash rafts came later and they came for gibs)

>>138770365
Whiteness is mostly relevant for white Americans, since they tend to be a mix of different European ethnicities.
For Europe you can just stick to the specific ethnicity that is native to the country.

>>138769177
Good post.Universalist morality is a good way of grouping them.

>>138770892
I didn't say "morality is what's good for me"
I said "morality is what's good for MY PEOPLE"

That isn't subjective. Certain things are harmful to my people, and certain things are helpful to my people. Different people may disagree on what counts as good or bad, but that just means their morality is wrong when it's wrong.

>>138769760
Woes is inoffensive, I think his quite pathetic background has a lot to do with that. In many ways it could be to his detriment as people dismiss his ideas ad hominem but it seems to work.

>>138771233
It should be noted that all universalist morality systems are completely jewish. Sure, it can be argued that they started with the enlightenment, but in their modern (since the 19th century) iterations, they've been thoroughly jewish.

People try to argue that communism and anarcho-capitalism are opposites. They try to argue that the notion of jewish control is ridiculous, because all these jews are capitalists and all these jews are communists, and they're all on opposite sides.

Well no, not really. They're all universalist bullshit. They're all philosophical ways for jews to trick the goyim into not putting the interests of their kin first and foremost. It's all universalist bullshit

>>138757460
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ngZ6mq6sfXc
what happened with all this?

>>138757460
Individualism and collectivism are complicated. Partly it's a sliding scale, and partly they coexist naturally. The way Sargon and even Jordan Peterson present them is a false dichotomy.

Collective differences are a matter of fact and can't be denied on the basis that you're an 'individualist' philosophically. You can admit such differences exist and accept that they mean different groups will favor different political policies. If your extremist individualism requires you ignore these facts and allow demographic replacement that then sees centralized government grow, what have you gained?

The false dichotomy distorts the issue by forcing people into an unnecessary binary. You sometimes need to engage in collective action for national defense, hence the military. Soldiers don't forever become collectivists by joining the military. If one nation favors individualism it has every right to look at observable averages, learn from direct experiences, and take collective action to defend itself. This does not make them irredeemably collectivist anymore than the existence of the military does.

Not going to watch the video, have other things to do, but I assume he says something similar. Sargon is rankly dishonest on the issue of IQ heritability and group differences because he knows what the inevitable logical conclusions are. If one group will do worse on average, they will grow bitter and use the power of the state to extract wealth from the other group, and that will force each group into collective thought patterns and behavior and will absolutely transform the society.

>>138770892
>Nobody has the same moral compass.

Ignoring the fact that he spoke about what's good for the collective of his people, which is fairly objective - that's the exact kind of thing I mentioned in my other post a bit above yours.
Assuming it's just all subjective, personal moral compasses, what makes that of another person superior to yours? If you thought hard about a topic and came to a conclusion you consider to be the right one, why would you abandon that and do something you don't consider to be right (or at least inferior to your own conclusion) just for the sake of sticking to some universalist moral compass?
It would be nothing but weakness, going along with some inferior solution despite feeling that yours is better.

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The reason sargon is going after ebil nazis more and more recently, calling them right wing SJWs instead of doing videos titled "An honest look at the alt right" is because he as recently been hired by MTV after having talks at vidcon.
>So why would this make him attack the alt right?
To make himself more palatable to MTV as MTV dont want to hire someone who hates SJWs and doesnt speak out against nazis.
>Hes not been hired by MTV
He is, he even put it on his twitter before deletion
>Why would they do that?
They see there SJW showrunners are no longer popular with low views (most being "sketpics") and high dislikes as. It would be more profitable for MTV to latch onto the growing, fresh, new and fairly inoffensive sketpic movement.

>>138772116
Good post. The way I see it, the only way to preserve individualism is to act as a collective against outsiders and keep them out.

It's a similar "paradox" as with the lolbergs who want open borders on some stupid anti-statist principle, even though this would mean letting in tons of people who don't support libertarianism and love socialist programs. Likewise, unfettered individualism is the death of individualism when it means letting in tons of of shitskins (who aren't individualist and won't treat you with the same respect you treat them), and then individualism dies out as you and your individualistic people get replaced.

>>138772289
By that logic shouldn't we all just work against each other's interests? Besides laws, what's stopping you from just going out and killing random people in the street because it's okay according to your own personal moral compass?

>>138772289
>>138771548
It seems to me we need to embrace ethics of virtue rather than deontological and consequential ethics, certainly the latter.

The problem is identifying virtue, or getting others to accept them, when we've strayed so far.

>>138772405
No, he counter-signals the alt-right because of >>138769919

>>138757460
This dumbfuck sounds just like one of those leftist commie ramblers on youtube

>>138772541
>By that logic shouldn't we all just work against each other's interests?
No, that's retarded. My interests and those of the people around me overlap in most cases. I don't exist in a vacuum, the lives of the people around me affect my own life, too.

>>138772541
Keep acting like a disingenuous kike who conflates personal amoral relativity with the notion that what's moral is what's good for your people.

>>138762116
we're not fighting ""identity politics"", we're fighting demographic displacement and the invasion of european homelands

>>138772704
MW is a very bright guy. It is a shame that he doesn't bother with production quality, and just comes off as a rambly depressed dude.

>>138772517
It's a paradox unless you believe that peace time and war time rules differ.

There's also a lesson to be learned from a similar dichotomy, centralization and decentralization, and how they differ based on scale. Complex systems, such as human civilizations, have so many moving parts that centralization and intervention lead to invisible damages and outcomes with some visible 'positives'. This is the basis principles underlying modern right wing economics. Ironically they don't realize this goes for foreign intervention as well, but anyways, my point is you can centralize with less damage in smaller systems. A municipality can get away with more centralization than a federal behemoth lording over 300 million people. A family can be collectivist AND centralized while dwelling in a decentralized individualistic society.

I have great disdain for people who oversimplify this shit.

>>138772645
This does not explain why he has gone from doing hangouts with people like woes to making videos calling them right wing SJWs as well as focusing allot more on them.I have seen both of his parents, both are white I think the whole "I am a quadroon" thing was a white lie to make a SJW shut up that he got caught up in. How do you know his stepdaughter is non white, I would love to see some proof for this.

>>138769901
>i think a good cut-off is when whites are still a super majority in their own nation
gee i wonder why that is

>>138772926
Trying to argue this obvious point with sarcuck and his acolytes is pointless. To them, they honestly think that an ethnic group is just as arbitrary and invalid as an identity such as "I'm a queer trans-gendered heterodont otherkin". It's pure intellectual dishonesty.

>>138773101
They appear to believe in tabula rasa across ethnicities but not gender. They are incoherent. Fuck, at least SJWs are completely coherent on this point.

>>138762116
Who fuckings cares, horseshoe faggots are petty as fuck.

>>138773101
yeah, intellectual dishonest is the best way to put it

i'm 99% certain sargon of mossad wants to live in a completely ethnic brit population but does not want to admit that he must fight in the interest of ethnic brits to do so

he wants an ethno-state but he also wants hyper individualism

you can't have your cake and eat it too

>>138759059
(((Jared Taylor))) spends his donation money on southeast Asian hookers.
Yeah mate really doing wonders for the white race.

>>138773296
>They appear to believe in tabula rasa across ethnicities
I think they will say otherwise but their conclusions speak otherwise as they clearly choose to ignore it and have never, as far as I can tell, given an argument as to why.

>>138773393
>you can't have your cake and eat it too
see: the US which was literally based on radical individualism with the unsaid presupposition of europeans being the primary inhabitants

if you don't control the ethnic demographics of a nation then you will eventually end up with a country you never intended for

>>138773031
>It's a paradox unless you believe that peace time and war time rules differ.
Exactly. That's why I put it in quotes.

The problem these sort of things stem from is that people use simplistic bone-headed axioms as their end-all-be-alls. To them, it's not about judging the time and place and figuring out what's best for your people and your society. It's about having a moral axiom (such as the libertarians and the NAP, or the marxists and their notion of equality) and BY GOD I'M GOING TO STICK TO MY MORAL AXIOM NO MATTER WHAT, NO MATTER HOW DETRIMENTAL THE EFFECTS ARE FOR SOCIETY.

It's utterly fucking baffling to me. To them, all of this is nothing but a fucking game about deconstructing political ideas and pointing out perceived inconsistencies based on their own moral axiom that the group they're "deconstructing" doesn't hold.

>>138772620
Already halfway there thanks to our retarded court systems. The average person will never see it as just thing when some foreign invader who openly preaches hate against them and does his best to undermine the system gets rewarded with handouts by the very same system.

Doesn't matter that the law states he has a right to it, it still violates their innate sense of justice. The average person will never agree with semantics > spirit of the law, because they know that the other person is intentionally gaming the system to fuck them over and fully aware of the fact that what he's doing is wrong.

They just haven't reached the point where they are pissed off enough to do something about it yet.

>>138773101
It also considers all identities the same by virtue of being identities, that one invented overnight is the same as one slowly grown over centuries of ethno-cultural development. The ex-Englishmen who created the United States considered themselves to have a kinship with those other Englishment who centuries before had Magna Carta signed at Runnymede.

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>>138773514
You've got your personalities mixed up /leftypol/

>>138773680
you're hitting at exactly the difference between sargoy of cuckad and molyneux

>>138759341
>Imagine hating your own nation this much

>>138773606
They use credentialism, aka an oblique utilization of the genetic fallacy (if you don't have their friend's diploma, you're wrong), to make their case.

I've been reading Neuroscience of Intelligence by Dr. Richard Haier, I follow Stephen Hsu's blog, I've read about the slander against Jensen over his career. I guess their credential's win? I see the same evil tactics used against those guys from that Sargon and his friends use, ironically from the precise kinds of people Sargon hates, sjws in academia.

Even Jordan Peterson believes in ethnic differences. He discussed them on Stefan's show. I have no idea how they persist.

>>138773393
Someone told me the town he lives in is like 99% white british. It's just like the liberals here in America who advocate for nonwhite immigration while living in gated all-white communities, with kids who go to private schools instead of the public schools, and live in states that are still overwhelmingly white like in New England.

Sarcuck damn well knows all the facts and stats about race and everything else. But he's willing to sweep that all under the rug, because god forbid he does something that isn't consistent with his moral axiom of "COLLECTIVES ARE INVALID AND INDIVIDUALISM IS THE MOST IMPORTANT THING IN THE WORLD"

>>138758519
True, I've never seen him "destroy" anyone that wasn't a full on leftist/liberal. He certainly didn't "destroy" Sargon in this video.
Woes also openly a bisexual. A total degenerate.

>>138773057
I don't know why he'd be counter-signaling them so hard if he wasn't a quadroon or didn't have some personal attachment to nonwhite people.

>>138759215
>We just don't think we necessarily need to have an all-white ethnostate and literally kick out every single brown person who was born in our countries.
THEY.
DON'T.
GIVE.
A.
FUCK.
THAT.
THAT'S.
WHAT.
YOU.
BELIEVE.
TO.
THEM.
YOU.
ARE.
A.
NAZI.

>>138774092
But I'm not a Nazi, and like I said I do admire some nonwhites and have nonwhite friends.

>>138765179
Blacks aren't outbreeding whites in the US.

>>138773393
he wants an ethnostate but he still wants to be part of it. that's the disconnect every mongrel on the right has problems overcoming. they theoretically know what must be done for a more prosperous society, their main problem is that such a solution would long term exclude themselves from living in that society, too.

so instead they build in some back doors into their ideology and claim it's for some moral high ground.

>>138774082
Because he wants to put as much space between him and Cville as he can, Molyneux's doing the same

>>138769177
>No one else holds a universal moral system
Of course they do, Islam is one example. Communism another

>>138773680
Yeah, that is precisely my issue with libertarians actually. The vast majority start with an moral axiom, the NAP or something very similar, and everything else is secondary. Yet so many of their arguments are about economic efficiency. This is acceptable on its own, but they never admit there are better economic policies for their nations. I could respect them more if they said the NAP comes first and the beauty of your country, your cultural identity, your traditions, all of that comes second to their NAP. But they don't. They somehow rationalize the idea that the NAP is simultaneously the most ethical AND the most efficient way to organize your society. It's so convenient that the universe just organized itself to most fully favor their own ethical standards it's hard to believe so many of them are atheists.

>>138762508
If that's absolutely necessary to ensure European dominance & overwhelming majority for the foreseeable future, then it's necessary and I'd be willing, albeit cautiously and with no light heart, to go to that step.

>>138774358
Who counts as white to you? Who's allowed to join your exclusive club?

>>138773393
>sargon of mossad wants to live in a completely ethnic brit population
He isn't sooo...

>>138774376
>Islam
>universalist

You don't even know what the fuck you're talking about. Do you know a damn thing about muslim societies? They're EXTREMELY TRIBAL. Not just against infidels, mind you, but against each other too. They form clans based on blood and will treat you different depending on where you come from.

An old muslim proverb goes:
> I, against my brothers. I and my brothers against my cousins. I and my brothers and my cousins against the world.
That's NOT universalism.

And I already stated how communism is jewish bullshit pushed on the white goyim to become universalist. If you're referringto China, they're extremely tribal too.

>>138774082
Because if he does so, he gets a platform for his views and nice fat steady income from MTV as well as his £60 grand a year via patreon. He is ideologically opposed to us and with the death of SJW culture he needs new people to mock and leech off. Plus he countersignals SJWs allot more than he does us.

>>138759618
>doesn't work
only because you say it doesn't work
everything else is not an argument

>>138774653
Not even relevant who I see as white or not, because it's Sargon's stupid ideology and not mine.
The fact is, Sargon does not see himself as fully white, he stated that very fact a couple of times. So clearly he cannot ask for a white ethnostate, because how the fuck would he justify living in it then? He can hardly go
>Well, obviously there'd be a special exception for me and my family
because then the ideological coherence he loves so much would fall apart.

>>138774653
White nationalism is almost a contradiction in terms. They differ in scale. White is a racial category, nation is a people with a shared lineage and history (you might say a tribe of related tribes).

Being white shouldn't qualify you for shit. You're part of your nation by birth. Americans are just shit out of luck truth be told.

>>138774800
he doesn't live in london mate

>>138757460
what kind of name is millenial woe

isnt woe a slang for whore?

>>138774358
From my experience, like 99% of people who identify as some form of civic nationalist or skeptic or what-have-you are either
1) nonwhite
2) in a relationship with a nonwhite
Everyone that's white and not a race-mixer ends up moving toward ethno-nationalism. The muds and race-mixers who shill for civic nationalism (aka: brazil is OK so long as everyone wears a MAGA hat) are purely in it for self-interest at the detriment of the white nation.

>>138774653
Shut the fuck up, you know damn well who counts as white. You wouldn't ask this question of any other group. Nobody requires blacks to define who counts as black. Nobody requires asians to define who counts as asian.

>>138765179
We are now 20% spic
Blacks now have about .1 more kids per year than whites do

>>138775085
I mean he isn't a completely ethnic brit.

>>british accent e-celeb

no thanks

>>138775089
No, that's hoe.

>>138775089
Woe is like a lamentation or an utterance of pain, regret, fear, or sorrow.

>>138775083
No it's not. It's white nationalism in America because most of us are euromutts from varying white backgrounds, but nonetheless white europeans. No one (as far as I know) is advocating for "white nationalism" in European countries and wants Swedes and Poles and Magyars to all BLANDA UPP into one homogeneous european people.

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What is with these pathetic fake wannabe youtube buzzword philosophers always drink or smoke or do distracting shit in their videos along with that specific pattern of speech... It makes them sound and look like fucking posers.

>>138774999
>Sargon does not see himself as fully white
How are you supposed to see yourself as fully white when you're literally not fully white? I know about how racially purist the right can be at times and so does he. No matter how much he begs these people for acceptance they'll always call him a mudblood, so why should he waste his time with them? Look at Tara McCarthy.

>>138774966
He said why it doesn't work, because it relies on tabula rasa. Try to read the entire post next time

>>138775303
I don't respect people who mix up sets and subsets. And I won't entertain fallacious arguments presented as fact. The truth is what it is. And it undermines this bullshit rejoinder people have asking about racial purity so it serves.

>>138757460
>another meme (((alt right))) lolibertarian doing nothing to organize an army against jews, and making 1 hour long videos.
gr8

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>>138762116
Tribalism is the only sane option left.
They forced this on us.

>>138775442
>How are you supposed to see yourself as fully white when you're literally not fully white?
Yes, that was exactly my point before you tried to make it about "but what's white?". He cannot ask for a white ethnostate, even if he wants it, because a white ethnostate would exclude him.

>>138775483
But you're only looking at the subset and acting like the set proper doesn't exist. Obviously there's a huge discrepancy when you compare the difference between brits and danes compared to brits and zulus

>>138775705
So if that's the case then how can you blame him for being the way he is?

>>138762116
>boring norduck is boring

>>138775850
What the fuck are you even talking about?
How is
>he cannot ask for this thing he wants because he knows that this thing would have negative consequences for him
blaming him for not going through with it anyway?
It's an explanation for why he sticks to an ideology he must have realized by now is deeply flawed.

I don't have to agree with him just because he's stuck in a moral dilemma.

>>138775850
That's the wrong frame to talk about this in. It's like arguing whether we should "blame" niggers for being retarded and violent leeches of society when they're genetically predisposed to be this way, and there's nothing they can really do to be anything other than what they are.

Does that change my opinion on niggers? Not really. It doesn't MATTER whether you decide to philosophically attach "blame" to them. What matters is that they're bad for my people, and they therefore shouldn't be here.

Likewise, I don't give a fuck WHY Sarcuck holds his views that are antithetical to my own. I understand that it's out of his own-self interest, and I get that, but it doesn't matter. All that matters is that what he wants basically means the destruction of my society, and he is therefore bad.

>>138775850
Who's blaming him for it, I'm not upset that he doesn't endorse ethno-nationalism I just think it's clear that if he wasn't compromised he'd be far more open to the idea. The whole reason I'm a pro-white advocate is so shit like this isn't going to leave people in situations like this when the inevitable conflict does occur

Does anyone ACTUALLY believe that Sargon is a quadroon like he claims? I think it's just virtue-signaling, akin to the whites in America who latch onto an alleged 1/16th cherokee ancestry or whatever.

>>138776127
>>138776350
>>138776401
So he's stuck between two extremes and he's not allowed to join either side because he's a mongrel. Where does that leave him then? Are people like him just doomed to be hunted by both sides of the war? Even people like Braving Ruin and Tara McCarthy who are already aligned with the alt-right? That sounds pretty cruel to be honest.

Either way it's pretty disingenuous to call him a cuck when he's literally looking out for his own self-preservation.

>>138759215
you are looking too much into it, he resents whites because he has nigger blood in him, and knows that regardless of how white he looks he'll never truly fit.

>>138776595
>sargon
>subsaharan apefrican
i call bs on this without a 23andme

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>>138776895
Pic-related is basically your argument. I don't give a fuck about what Sargon is "supposed to do". That's not my fucking problem. Hell, I don't even actually believe he's a "mongrel" (1/4th black, my ass). I'm not going to go around making exceptions for everyone like some liberal cat lady just because you try to come here with sad puppy dog eyes and go "awww poor sargon what's he gonna do???"

I don't know. I don't care. All I know is that he's my political adversary.

>>138773514

Gunna need a source on that kike.

>>138776895
Did you not read any of the posts you just replied to? He already picked his side and it's civic nationalism, because that's what will limit the damage to our societies somewhat while still allowing him to stay here.

All three of us acknowledged that, but we also said that we don't have to agree with something we consider to be wrong just out of pity for him.

>>138776895
I can empathise with his situation but it doesn't change the facts of the matter, if it has to come down to the well-being of my people or the well-being of Sargon I know who I'm picking every single time

>>138776895
>either side
What do you mean? If there ever were conflict on that scale, which I don't think there will be in anywhere close to the near future, then it wouldn't be "whites vs blacks" it would be those who see race and value difference against those who wish to see global homogenization. Funny really, for all the talk of "muh race war" the uppity blacks are the closest thing to an ally white identitarians can get.

>>138776595
Impossible but octoroon is possible if he got a lucky phenotype draw.

>>138777241
That was more an allusion to the latter two, Tara and Edgy, than it was to Sargon. Mixed-race people who are also alt-right allies. I just can't help but wonder if they'll be thrown away by the right after trying their hardest to push for pro-white interests. And if that's the case, then how many more of its adherents might the alt-right betray?

>>138777338
You have no fucking clue what you're talking about. Every civil war in history that's occurred in an ethnically heterogeneous country has always broke along ethnic lines. Take your horseshoe theory and shove it up your ass.

>>138777616
>horseshoe theory
That isn't what that is.

Are you telling me black separatists are not more in line with the interests of white nationalists than "one race the human race" types?

>>138777596
What is Edgy? He sounds like a flip to me.

You also have a comical understanding about what having a white homeland entails. It doesn't mean gassing everyone who isn't 100% bavarian phenotype. It means putting the interests of the white majority first and foremost. Nonwhites can exist in a white ethnostate. Not in large numbers, and we shouldn't bend over backwards to uplift other races and make them our equal. Inequality != genocide.

>>138777596
How is that my problem? I never asked them for any of this, I won't go against what I consider to be the best option just because they feel that I owe them or something like that.
They are stuck in a shitty situation (by the way, they are stuck there because of stuff they decided to include into their own ideology too) but that does not morally bind me to suffer a shit situation for my own people, too.

>>138777936
This ridiculous idea that you're putting forth is a product of univeralist ideology. Militant blacks are not my friend. I respect them for wanting to live separately from whites, but that doesn't make them an ally. Your outlook on life is half-baked and childish. It's akin to saying "well the white nationalists should love muslim immigration because they both hate faggots and feminists!" It's total denial of context.

>>138778354
It's also a lesson to everyone else WHY YOU SHOULD NOT RACE MIX. Want someone to blame? Blame your race-mixing parents.

>>138777936
Black and White Nationalism will always be a shaky alliance because in the end both are going to work for their people's interests and those interests only overlap at the moment. When we're talking about inevitable ethnic conflict that's an end-game if things continue they way they have been, there are plenty of solutions that could come before that, balkanisation is one of them, repatriation is another

>>138778103
Edgy's half Coptic Egyptian, which ironically enough is a race that's currently in the latter stages of genocide. That being said I can honestly see why he holds the views he does.

Also, upon reading this post I can see that we pretty much agree on principle. I was under the assumption that you wanted extermination or total ethnic cleansing.

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>>138757460
>138757460

millennial gays = cointelpro.

>>138777241
You should leave this board and do an iq test. This is the dumbest argument I've seen on this site in a long time.

>>138763479
Ew, no. He needs to embrace the bird's nest + beard combo.

>>138778639
>I was under the assumption that you wanted extermination or total ethnic cleansing.

You don't have a very good understanding of what ethno-nationalism entails then. Not even fucking Hitler wanted to straight up genocide everyone he didn't like (well, not at first at least), he just wanted them to fuck off or submit to the German majority.

>>138778639
Personally, I wouldn't even care about Edgy BLANDA UPPing into white society. Copts are "white enough" for me to not really give a shit, and I'm not going to split hairs. That's me personally though, and I'm not going to play a slippery slope game of allowing tons of these people to mix in.

Alternatively, I'm okay with colonialism 2.0, going into the middle east and removing kebab and restoring Coptic Egypt to its former Byzantine glory, and resettling the coptic diaspora there.

>>138766575
this

>>138778878
It's part of the jewish conditioning that having pride in your race = stuffing 60 billion kikes in ovens.

>>138778878
When you see so many people advocating for extermination on places like here, 8ch, Youtube, and Iron March, you can't really help but wonder that something like the alt-right may inevitably end in genocide. I stated before that the pendulum swings toward extremes, and the Jared Taylor mindset may inevitably give way to the Weev mindset if given enough time.

>>138758399
You can look up a debate between the two on goytube

>>138779095
I'd do basically the same thing, I don't believe there are enough halfcastes for them to have any lasting effect on the gene pool. I'd even be fine with letting second and third generation non-whites stay in the country on the condition they didn't have children, or be repatriated at our cost. No one who isn't riding a power fantasy genuinely wants genocide and I'd prefer if the whole thing was peaceful

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>>138779536
1) memes and irony.
2) genocide and racial holy war is simply what WILL OCCUR if we don't fix these problems peacefully. I'm not saying I WANT a race war; I'm saying THERE WILL BE ONE if whites continue to be marginalized and shat on with increasingly hostile forces suppressing them. It's more of a warning, that this is what will occur if you don't give us our country back. Not as a threat; but as a statement of fact.

There are plenty of peaceful ways to get rid of the shitskins without needing to go door to door with the RWDS. But that will happen if the kikes keep pushing. The, we end up with pic-related. And then it's on their hands.

>>138779717
The majority of half-breeds (at least in America) are happas. in places like Hawaii and California. They'll have to go. Perhaps we resettle them in Hongcouver or near Singapore to creat the "Happa Ethnostate" or whatever.

>>138779874
I know this and it's why I want to push for pro-white policies; it's because I'm legitimately terrified of what the far right will become if we don't get to the root of the problem soon. And I will concede that the far left is currently much more of a danger to our society than the far right. But then again people here are saying that even in the current circumstances violence will be necessary to solve the demographic problems.

>>138780464
Violence probably will be needed. Again, I don't relish in this, but it's just the way I think things are. No one in the system is advocating for anything even marginally pro-white, and they're cracking down on "those evil white people" exponentially now. It's hard to say how this could possibly end peacefully at this point. I hope a sliver of hope, but I don't know.

You also have to look at the historic contexts of the far right. Why did so many ultra-nationalist movements form in the 1920s and 1930s? They formed as a direct response to the threat of communism, with communists attempting revolutions all across the continent during that time. The move toward the far-right was a 100% natural response to the existential threats of the time. And I see similar parallels happening now. We live in Weimerica, and there's going to be a complete shitshow unless things are settled peacefully. The current system is held together with bubble gum and q-tips, and it won't last.

fat scottish fag

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>>138759341
because I think Whites have a right to exist?

you don't want to genocide throguh mixing browns, black or yelloes, do you?

you are just anti-White, you think they should be mixed out of existence, because you are an anti-Whtie pro genocide hateful monster

This was one of the better threads I've seen on /pol/ for quite some time.

>>138762116

They are just going to kill themselves. Thats whats so wonderfull about collectivists. We don't need to break ouer principles, they break theirs and die in a war
:^)

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>>138759341
Because I live in this society as well? I have a choice on how the future of it goes, and I rather not let it get defiled by filthy niggers

You people always act like you're a nation yourselves, but you still live in a society, full of people, who you're gonna have to interact with every day, you got friends, neighbors, family, and on a wider but still important relationship, countrymen...
I'd rather not let them all die in the name of the false song of tolerance and equality, I will resist.

>>138762116
Literally everything is identity politics
If you call yourself a conservative, it becomes part of your identity, if someone appeals to conservatives in politics, that's what you would call 'identity politics'.
Bring me three examples of politics without identity
Protip :you can't!

b-but class isnt idpolitics

>>138759215
(((Civic nationalism))) is a meme concept with no substance that a couple of post-modernists came up with, it has no historical frame of reference to fall back on, there is zero supporting evidence it will function long term. Every race/group has naturally forming hierarchies - each groups hierarchy will forever be preferencing its in-group and vying for dominance - this is the nature of the world, it is perfectly normal and you cannot escape it just because you suddenly decide 'we progressive now'. Social cohesion/tension/conflict is already degrading in many places and the demographic balance is good compared to what it will be in a few decades, you ant seen nothing yet compared to what is in the pipeline.

The only countries/nations that are not nationalistic are Western/Euro countries. Under the Civic Nationalism model you are basically saying that a nation is nothing but its territory, resources, infrastructure and laws - the people are an irrelevant interchangeable component. Our ancestors would laugh in your face if you tried to convince them of this, they would think you are high. No, the last x thousand years of European Civilization, the concept of a nation is its people first, what those people produce are a by-product.

>you are on minimum wage like us, yet you vote libertarian? You want to serve the rich for an eternity? CLASS TRAITOR!
The rich see the poor as subservient peasants and the poor see the rich as demons incarnate
The poor and the rich even have an innate sense of 'class loyalty'
>what are you doing helping those bums? Get back here!
>so you're gonna work with the big boys uh? You're leaving us, your brothers in chains behind?
Race and class can also mix
>DeNiwua is getting straight A's in class, the girl is getting whiter by the day!
>why do you act so white? Act like a nigga!

>>138788989
>>138787640

>>138757460
Millennial Woes is right yet again

>>138781260
>It's hard to say how this could possibly end peacefully at this point
It probably will end peacefully, with white resigning themselves to oblivion.

You have to understand the context going on here. Where we are is the endgame of hundreds, if not thousands of years of individualist programming in white people. It has been something ingrained in white culture ever since the Magna Carta, and arguably even earlier with Greek democracy and the Roman Republic. /pol/'s task is to get them to betray this programming, to betray all of these thousands of years of culture pontification and philosophy as well as the programming they are subjected to from birth in order to get them to act collectively for their own survival, just because a lot of nonwhites have been showing up on the back yard in the past decade or two. Good luck, but as countries like Rhodesia and South Africa show us, you're just Sisyphus rolling the boulder up the hill. At best, most whites will take Sargon's mindset, not Millenial Woes's

>current year
>being a blank slater

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>>138762508
>No one wants to kick out native non whites.
Where do you think we are?

>>138758940
f-female...

>>138759341
because niggers are not going to get us into space colonization

>>138759568
she was...

>>138762116
IQ scores are not identity politics

>>138757460
Where is he living now?

>>138767146
It's always worth to watch his videos.

>>138757460
>Millennial Woes: Friendless NEET, no friends, no girlfriend, no kids
>Sargon (as much as I hate him): a family, two kids, and he has a social life too, and he probably makes more money as well

>>138797183
He used to live in Scotland before he got doxxed by local newspaper who branded him as a new coming of Hitler and he would probably end up in jail for islamophobia if he had stayed in Britain so he moved and now lives somewhere abroad. Basically political asylum.

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>>138797875
The thing is, he's a loser. Sorry to say it but he is. I feel sorry for him in a way but the guy needs to get a fucking job, or at least just sort himself out.

I like listening to right-wing commentators who are actually successful people. E.g. pic related.

>>138799077
Yeaaah cuckservative (((civic nationalists))) sure do challenge the status quo a lot.

>>138799077

nobody cares about what you might like or not you fucking faggot, he has a decent following, good arguments and a verbal IQ in the 99.9th percentile, has done more for the right wing's cause than what you ever will and if you don't like it you can shut your whore mouth

>>138799077
So you like listening to msm which never goes to the bottom of problems. Racial realism and JQ.
Also personal attack is not an argument. Argue about ideas not persons who deliver it