Jordan Peterson Thread

the most irritating thing about peterson is that he believes that people on the left are able to understand discussion about their beliefs

he thinks that post-modernism and marxism can be stopped by just talking intelligently about them
leftists are brain dead, you can't talk to them, they are diseased in the head.
you have to kill them

>>138730812
t. Ted Kaczynski

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This guy's political solution is to return to 1980s style Lockean conservatism. This won't work. The postmodernists, marxists and other antichrist intellectual figures transformed society because they exploited the weaknesses inherit in liberal democracy and individualism. If you want to win you need to draw a red line. If you cross the line, you get physically removed.

This means zero tolerance of Jews gaining dominant positions in society. It means zero tolerance of individuals professing immoral or marxist views in public. Zero tolerance of public displays of homosexual behaviour. It means shutting down the system of party democracy and only allowing the strongest and bravest to rule.

It's sad, but true.

>>138731459
This. Ted Kaczynski knew it.
They are over-socialized and justify anything with mental gymnastics.
Why is it small town folk & farmers are more good & honest whilst city-fags are often degenerate garbage?
Small town folk need to be honest because they interact with people their whole lives.

>>138730812

There's a spectrum of idiocy and ignorance, and it's always worth discussing so you at the very least you can catch the people on the borderline of intelligence, or the smart people who have been indoctrinated, or even the lefties that can't be converted but can be moderated. Even if the people you are actually talking to are no-hopers, you debate for the benefit of the people that are listening quietly.

Besides, it's well documented that people do come round to rationality over time, acting like Marxist revolutionaries as kids but learning as they grow up. I was pretty lefty as a teenager, even a little religious when younger, but debate and intelligent discussion opened up the world to me.

So, yeah, somebody has to talk intelligently, and it does work, even if deep down you are still tempted to shoot them.

>>138730812

Basically. Yuri told us this.

No Amount of evidence will ever convince them. They follow romanticism not enlightenment. They don't care about 'the truth' they care about 'my truth'. To them, everything is relative, there is no objectivity, there is no universal moral good.

If they determine something to be good, it is. Even if it is the same violence and hatred they claim to be opposing. Because it is ok when they do it. They're the good guys after all.

>>138731459
It's true though. Leftists are rock heads, the Marx-demon can only be beaten out of them.

Anyone got a free version of his Self Authoring Suite? (just a reminder before this thread goes down the rabbit hole)

>>138731839
this, they are probably the most primitive ideology currently being practiced. It's basically just one step from being caveman logic "Ugh has nice gold stone, we don't have gold stone, we kill Ugh for having nicer gold stone"

>>138731768
We don't need to go that far. The whole fucking problem is that we need to move slightly leftward on economic issues (figuring out how to employ more folk and give them decent wages) but at the same time move much more rightward on cultural issues. The family unit needs to become paramount again. People have to be good Christians and it needs to be some god dam fire-and-brimstone Christianity.
No more turbo-degenerates.

>>138729666
SJW's are R-Type people, the only destroy and do not construct.

https://youtu.be/L44yik-CzQM

>>138732057

It's worth paying a few quid for when you get the chance.

>>138731839
>le KGB man meme

>>138731837
I actually became more religious as I grew older.
>>138732310
I think something else is going on. The ability to virtue-signal seems to have become very important. It's linked to financial & social success in today's world.
When you take the normie away from his/her virtue signal button they become distressed. It's how they win arguments and it's kind of a part of them.

>>138729666
Learn to Clear and Pause search history and watch history feeds

>>138730812
It's helps non-leftists understand the SJW phenomenon. You start out by assuming they're rational, and if they show that they're not, wham, you slam the gates of concentration camp shut on them.

>>138732334
Dude Yuri was onto something. The USA & probably the entire west has ingested fatal poison by consuming identity politics.

>>138732112
Good luck having a state without any sort of taxes.
Interestingly enough, the two countries that abolished direct taxation while having a functional government were Marxist-Leninist.

>>138732715
Like boomer cucks though confronting the more simple of mind leftists makes them dig their heels in.
Christ, some of them freak out just at the idea of removing some of the socialism. Others go nuts about losing their rights to be degenerates in public.

>>138729666

Do you have an email? I can send you the future authoring 'program' in a text document. I've also seen it openly posted here.

>>138732766
Taxation is unnecessary to fund government activities. However, lazy politicians don't have to think of any alternatives.

Posting JBP self-authoring stuff:

Past Authoring: https://pastebin.com/fmeZHZUM
Present Authoring (virtues): https://pastebin.com/qJkjDNFk
Present Authoring (faults): https://pastebin.com/85Lwz46G
Future Authoring: https://pastebin.com/J45xybPT

Listening to Peterson reminds me of what I was like before /pol/ and the alt-right, when I was listening to Limbaugh, (((Mark Levin))) and Michael Savage.

I still enjoy listening to Savage every now and then.

>>138732057
Have you tried going to your local library? If it isn't on the shelf there, you can arrange with a librarian to make an interloan.

>>138733214

Fucking legend. Thank you.

>>138733179
>Taxation is unnecessary to fund government activities. However, lazy politicians don't have to think of any alternatives.
lol

>>138733214
Excellent, I didn't have the other programs. Thank you.

>>138733302
As far as I know, it's only online. You may be thinking of Maps of Meaning, his book.

>>138733236
Peterson seems to expect every fucker to be 120IQ+ and be abler to self-realize and engage everyone else as a hyper-individualist.
The majority of people cannot do that. They need groups. Hell, we have hundreds of thousands of years of evolution wiring us to be tribal and seek group identity.
These fucking leftists have been taught wrong. They don't understand that by introducing identity politics THEY fucked up first, not us.
In a perfect world everyone's group identity would be Christian, and not the bullshit 'Jesus forgives everything' kind.

>>138729666

Self Authoring Suite pastbin links in this post:

>>138733214

(That's just for organization, linking the answer to the OP)

>>138732669

I don't know what you're talking about.

>>138733099

Thanks anyway, would have taken you up on that if the pastebins hadn't arrived.

>>138732586

>I actually became more religious as I grew older.

For why?

>>138733214

Thank you anon, you are doing Gods work.

I'm pretty convinced now the decline of the family unit, increase of degeneracy and the decline of STRONG Christianity (not the liberal rubbish kind) are linked.

Peterson's ideas are utopian liberal garbage, unfit for mass consumption. In fact I believe disseminating his ideas makes things worse because normies will think they can achieve his 'vision' but they won't be able too in practice.

>>138734111
I have a similar feeling. I keep it to myself, but I definitely have moved further from atheism to some sort of theism. I've read a lot of different religious text and I have my own personal view on what God is

>>138734111
Better understanding of the world. Normies need religion, if you take it from them they become trash.
Maybe Jesus was a phony and knew this, or maybe he was the son of god.
It doesn't matter either way.

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>>138734463

Honestly, he is too sensitive in nature and it clouds his thinking in some areas, including that of right wing politics. The other day, he made the assertion that white identity is collectivist nonsense because he believes it automatically reverts into Nazism, which seems obviously wrong. He believes in cultural identity, and religious identity, traditional male identity, all of which he allows without calling them collectivist.

At the end of the day, he's spent much of his life studying the horrors of war and it's crippled him to the point where he's terrified of any conflict and is effectively a pacifist.

My advice for everyone in the thread, take what you want from him, and throw away the rest. We're not liberals, we don't automatically discount someone because they are centrist.

What if we just all move to Russia? The Russians, Serbs and Greeks seem to the last bastion of Christian society grounded in a moral order. Australia, USA, Canada and Europe have already gone to the shitter.

>>138734607
Do you attend church regularly? This is the part I have trouble with. I think it's important to do your part by attending church and thus setting an example.

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>>138730812
>he believes that people on the left are able to understand discussion about their beliefs
He specifically says that part of the Leftist ideology is to not talk or try to understand anything.

This is a major talking point of his. How do you not get this?

He wants to educate non-SJWs because he knows that SJWs hate learning.

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>>138729666
I still think that Jordan Peterson doesn't call out the Jews because his career depends on it. Even if he was met by the truth, he can't really say much at the moment.

>>138733427
The Democrats and Republicans take it in turns to run the greatest protection racket that the world has ever seen.

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>>138731768
>If you want to win you need to draw a red line.
Peterson has drawn a red-line, which is what got him into the spotlight.

His red-line was not calling Trannies the pronounds they invented.

>>138734766
Normies have developed a fascination with him.
It's dangerous.

>>138731839
Did you just watch Sargon's video reading Ayn Rand and explaining why Nazis were romanticists?

>>138735014
same as why you can't just go around publicly admitting that all people are equal and race doesn't matter are utterly bullshit

>>138735143
Its a weak as piss stance. Personally I think trannies should be in asylums in order not to influence other while suffering from mental illness.

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>>138734463
>Peterson's ideas are utopian liberal garbage,
Holy shit you are a literal fucking faggot.

His studies are in both how "liberal garbage" destroys cultures, as well as how totality ruins people. His main studies are on how people can become both Evil COmmunists and Evil Nazis.

>>138735150
Respectfully, I disagree. His body of work is far too dense to be boiled down into anything fit for mass consumption. Hell, /pol/ tried it and so far all we have is 'sort yourself out'.

You do see a lot of pseudointellectuals on his videos, sure, but they suffer from the same problem of not being able to simplify very complex ideas. I don't want to sound like them, but I imagine someone's IQ must be above average to even stay interested in his lectures for more than a few minutes.

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>>138735445
Peterson actually works with and councils some of these freaks and thinks they have a mental illness that fucks their life over.

However, he doesn't have a hammer fist approach to "doing what is best for society" if that means killing off all the gays.

So are you saying your biggest gripe is that he doesn't want murdrous revolution? You sound like a fucking Antifa.

>>138733214
Thank you anon

>>138732766
>this, they are probably the most primitive ideology currently being practiced. It's basically just one step from being caveman logic "Ugh has nice gold stone, we don't have gold stone, we kill Ugh for having nicer gold stone"


where does he say there should be no taxes? he is just saying leftists complain about everything even when they already have good lives and not much to complain about

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>>138733214
You are a god amoungst men.

>>138735660
Indeed we do disagree. I think his teachings will lead to a kind of justification of violence by 'educated leftists'.
Obviously he will disown them but it will be too late then, the Frankenstein will already be alive.
>>138735907
People have duties to society. You cant encourage low IQ leftists to think they have a clue. They don't. Look how fucking violent some of them are getting, they are distressed by ideas contrary to they core beliefs.
Distressed by the 'pronoun red line' for gods sake. Fuck them, morons need to be told what to believe and society made to punish those who think differently.

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You idiots all need to go read about The Beautiful Ones.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Behavioral_sink

>>138736156
>>138735907
>>138735607
Where's the semen?

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>>138736505
>You cant encourage low IQ leftists to think they have a clue.
I actually listened to Peterson's talk about this last week. He was saying that a lot of these low IQ people might not have any sort of future in today's society.

He didn't say how to fix it. He just said it was going to be a massive problem because they are unnecessary and unneeded.

>How is it that an ordinary man with a wife and kids can become a gas chamber guard at Auschwitz?
>>Maybe your research question is based on fantasy?

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>>138731459
yw. proceed w. killing them now.

>>138730812
You are a faggot you are no better than leftists

>>138737078
Honestly anon has a point you know... show them a good helicopter ride..

>>138734824
Whole Eastern Europe is ok my dude even Czechia's atheists are more "Christian" than Westerners.

>>138736831
I believe that is the biggest skeleton in the closet of his ideas. In fact, he tried to make a business out of IQ based employment testing, similar to Wonderlic, which would only push dump people out of the employment pool faster.

I'm not saying he's wrong for pointing out that IQ is probably the biggest indicator of life success, but he's refusing to address millions of people that will become the underclass and instead focuses on helping smart people, who are already likely to do well in life, get ahead even more. I'm not sure why he is avoiding the problem. He understands that when the dominance hierarchy becomes too steep, then people just create their own hierarchy. His lack of thought put into this issue seems to imply that he thinks everyone will just willing accept their unemployment, despite it being opposed to the rest of his ideas on fulfillment.

>>138736831
I don't know either. Worse, the problem seems to be coming to a head.

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>>138737187
I want to go on a helicopter ride again :*(

Things are too fucking damn expensive though.

>>138737431
>refusing to address millions of people that will become the underclass and instead focuses on helping smart people
He does bring this issue up though. He just says he doesn't know how to fix it.

>>138737187
He does politically but he's a same degenerate that was influenced by them that faggotry is normal and ok.

>>138737512
You can't be helped, subhuman

>>138733214
I've already purchased this, but thanks for the raw text. Bless you Anon!

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People need their symbols. This sounds deprecating but it is very true. Symbols speak to us in orders of magnitude faster than words. Symbols have a way of bypassing our conscious mind and tapping into the core of who we are as individuals. Religious icons, runes, colors, musical tones, ancient deities, even celebrities. These things help us solidify our identity through life and give us our "place of power" as it were. Removal of our symbols weakens us. It gives us no reference point to our individual identities.

>>138730812
of course they can. obviously there are plenty of people who will refuse because muh dogma. but it's not like you even try to understand them or even try to think about how they perceive things.

>>138737431
You see? He is going to create a Frankenstein, one that will have legitimacy because of who he is.

>>138737431
>tfw smart but lazy

>>138732586
>>138734111
>>138734607
>>138734694
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0mp8fOFVybQ start at 1:25:30
i know you guys don't like shapiro but he has a really quick little good segment on why religion and faith is pretty necessary

I wish bucko would encourage other profs to put their stuff on youtube as well. like the philosophy prof he interviewed in his last video. such people have so much to give.

>>138737431
they dont matter. they are the worker but they have no say in the political or cultural discourse because they simply cant.
that doesnt mean they dont matter or shouldnt be represented or anything.

>>138730812
He's right about that just not in regards to every leftist out there. Some professor who's been entrenched in that bullshit their whole career won't be saved but younger students can be. Happened to me. I'm still very liberal but I used to be bordering on far left. Part of it was growing out of it the past few years and then finding guys like Peterson.

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>>138729666
YEAHHHH
I'LL CLEAN MY ROOM
I'LL SLAY MY FATHER AND SAVE THE DRAGON

THEN I'LL MARRY, REPRODUCE AND DIVORCE BECAUSE LIFE IS A STRRUGGLE AND IF YOU STRUGGLE YOUR ENEMIES YOU WIN

>>138737512
He shouldn't point it out then. He's too prominent.
It's one thing to complain about how fucked it all is (black-pilled) on an instructional forum for creating fishing jigs, but to be who he is and pour that information into millions of normie minds...

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>>138731839
Yuri also said that once that they outlive their usefulness they will be the first to be lined up and shot...

>>138729666
get out satan

>>138733214
Thanks mate. You happen to have a tldr?

>>138737512
>>138738078

>He does bring this issue up though. He just says he doesn't know how to fix it.

I'm aware of that. What I'm questioning is why the bulk of his time is effectively spent on self-improvement for people who have few problems. He should be well aware how disruptive angry young men are, as they were the root of almost every rebellion in history. He's acknowledging that the underclass will fail in their dominance hierarchy, and are unlikely to be fulfilled by family, as women are becoming increasingly selective. All he offers these people are two minutes of "it's going to be a problem".

>>138737847
Only if he is creating a Frankenstein by not dealing with the issue. The people who rise up will not be that influenced by his work. The educated leftists despise him.

>>138737914
Try being of average intelligence, very low in agreeableness, and high in neuroticism. Now that's a terrible hand in life.

>>138738548
his solution is to empower the young men in the higher intellectual strata so they build a better future for everyone. only way to solve it

>>138738283
It's frightening isn't it? These leftist front-liners with all their heart, fury and passion aren't even pawns. They aren't even specs of dust on the board.
Can you imagine how many times this has played out throughout recorded history?
>muh equality
>muh basic income
>much socalisim
Yet they think the fucking real players don't know how to game them.

Jordan, while a very brilliant intelligent man, is too infatuated with his own ideas of conquering the self.
Ironic because he believes the rationalists tendency to fall in love with their own intellect is very dangerous.

He's a monk, not a politician and certainly not a leader.

>>138738791
That isn't a solution, that's a gamble of an uncertain future, and furthermore, young men "higher in the intellectual strata" are more likely to push automation faster and faster before the rest of society comes up with a solution to the problem.

It's clear that he is avoiding the issue. Trying to build a better future for everyone won't matter when you're ducking and covering. It's far more likely massive unrest will happen long before anyone influenced by Peterson solves the need for a dominance hierarchy that is actually climbable.

>>138738765
IMO neuroticism is worse than everything else.
They never should have shut the asylums. The asylums kept these fuckers away from the rest of us.

>>138730812
you are using the word 'them' too much.
Clearly you are out of ideas, or never had any.

>>138732196
>Only two centuries behind the fucking game

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>>138729666
I don't get this man's opposition to collectivism. The truth is that historically most human societies were basically collectivist (except for a very small aristocracy at the top). Today we are more individualistic than ever before. More atomised than ever before. Yet here is Mr. Peterson saying we need MORE individualism to solve our problems...

>>138737532
Would you mind explaining what you mean by that? I think anon is mostly just trolling, but it's how a lot of us feel... just watch this video for example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7KiNWJ8FiYg

>>138729666
Doing the self authoring program now and just finished the virtues portion. Its a lot of selecting lists of virtues across the different dimensions of personality and whittling a list of a few hundred, down to 60, then down to 9. You really have to consider which are most applicable and write essays about those. It showed me the stuff I was doing instinctively to improve my life and taught me how to use those habbits intentionally.

Started the past authoring and its already proving to be more useful, and intense.

>>138739111
The forces behind automation are unstoppable.
The best we can hope for is a MASSIVE cultural shit relating to how we view employment.
Yet were the fuck is the groundwork for that?
It's non-existent; so obviously we are in dire shit.

>>138739168
Up until the 80s public garbage bins were everywhere. People started to notice that they just concentrate trash in piles that allowed clouds of flies and rats to prosper. Bins were removed, people were fined for littering, no morre bins anymore.
Same with asylums, take your garbage with you, into homes and communities and deal with it yourself.

>>138730812
All of the Antifa I've ever met were fanatical cultists. You can't argue with them because they've been brainwashed, they actually been therapy to see reason again.

>>138739585
no fanatics on the right, no sir.
come on.

>>138739371
His definition of individualism is built upon self understanding as well as articulating your own pain so you dont pass it on to others.

Collectivism in the sense he speaks of revolves around building resentment in others in order to weaponize it for the benefit of a particular class.

>>138739527
These mentally ill types congregate. They get a hold of young people and fuck their lives up.
They need to be fucking quarantined.

>>138739817
> /pol/-posters will pretend to understand and then proceed to call him a retard

>>138730812
Your meme flag is still showing, shill

>>138738765
dad?

>>138739168

Well it's interesting because being low in agreeableness influences how likely you are to be violent and commit crimes, and being high in neuroticism would make you worry more about those around you, and their motives, not just increased depression and anxiety, so together they are really a bad combination which greatly increases the likelihood of ending up in prison or the mental hospital.

>>138739520
It's employment, but at a root level, it's a need to be good at something and the ability to climb a social dominance hierarchy because of it. Getting enough food isn't the problem, because society would revolt and force more social welfare. The problem is a spiritual crisis where nothing you do matters and you wake up, you eat, go on the Internet, sleep, and do it all over again. I can be unemployed for long periods of time without too many problems because I'm high in Neuroticism, which gives me some meaning in hiding out like a cat under the stairs, but most people can't. Unemployment is a cycle of helplessness that leads into you not being able to get out of bed and wishing that it would just end.

>>138739585
>fanatical cultists
If someone tried to take my daughter or son to an antifa rally (or any political rally) I would flog the shit out of them.
I will just educate them in a right wing christian way at home and tell them to mind their own business since the world is a pretty fucked up place.

>>138731768
The solution is more freedom, less rights at the expense of others. Liberals just take endless advantage of various gimmes and rights that are other than individual style.

We need to reduce the welfare state (and they'll complain like hell about it) because we've imported too many leeches.

But the risk with the Trump administration is his advisors keep pushing tax cut for top 1%. That's stupid. When will Trump start to discipline Cohn, Mnuchin etc. when they say that stuff?

>>138739936
I don't get it please explain what he means?

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>>138736505
>Fuck them, morons need to be told what to believe and society made to punish those who think differently.

And who the fuck decides what that is? Your imperfect ass with all your issues? Someone else? Who qualifies to decide what to believe? What should we believe and why should we be forced to believe it? You are the particular type of person Peterson rightly warns us about - "if only I was Stalin!".


And most importantly, what's stopping corrupt people (like we have now, and have always have had) using the tools of that power to enforce their own perfidious agendas, which would be to your detriment?

>>138739708
>implying he implied there weren't fanatics on the other side

Your post annoyed me. Have your (you).

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>>138740073
CLEAN YOUR ROOM BEFORE I BEAT YOU AGAIN

>>138739708
Yeah but the fanatics on the right are minuscule & most of the so called fanatics just want to be LEFT ALONE.
Look at the amount of lefties showing up at their rallies, and these people aren't 'center left' dude.
Shit scares me.

>>138740095
God, when people conceptualize God as the ultimate authority, use it as a meter by which to evaluate all other ideas. The prolonged engaging in philosophical discussion along this axiom is how you arrive at the concepts of objective good, evil, and truth.
God as a concept establishes the ground work for objectivity, and objectivity is requisite for truth.

Peterson is a fidgety Cannuck blowhard with too much time at a university and not enough time in reality. His version of Christianity is about as post-modern as they come, and his inability to see the huge metaphysical blindspots guiding the rehashed Joseph Campbell he harps on about makes him simultaneously a bad psychologist, philosopher, and theologian. It is self-help 101 for NEETs, packaged as an anti-SJW movement in order to entice us v. them gene-reactions from betas. Everything he says and does was said and done better by dozens of people. Sad.

>>138740192
Id' just push Christianity. I'm telling you the uneducated masses aren't coping. They need a belief system they can digest.
I don't know what to teach them other than to be good Christians. If you want to be a godless degenerate fine, but stay the fuck away from me and mine.

>>138740613
>God, when people conceptualize God as the ultimate authority, use it as a meter by which to evaluate all other ideas. The prolonged engaging in philosophical discussion along this axiom is how you arrive at the concepts of objective good, evil, and truth.
>God as a concept establishes the ground work for objectivity, and objectivity is requisite for truth.
Deep as fuck, just saved that shit so I can process it more later. Thank you anon

>>138740870
I probably should have fixed my brain fart typo at the start of it. Oh well.

>>138730812
>the most irritating thing about peterson is that he believes that people on the left are able to understand discussion about their beliefs

He literally says political belief is mostly predicated by genetics
And that we need both left and right, to steer society well

>>138740613
Yes I agree completely. God =objectivity; good and evil.
Atheism = nihilism. You can't build shit on that because it's nothing.

>>138740972
I don't see the typo? Maybe I'm just retarded though?

>>138740613
but what does this have to do with jesus and yahweh? What if I believe in the Tao, or Brahman, or some obscure first cause?

God as a mere concept is a non-sequitir to morality and ethics.

>>138741031
I like the theory that leftism is the feminine expressed in the political world and the right wing is the masculine.
They are supposed to balance one another.

>>138740849
I agree with you there - we do need Christianity. Without that belief structure, people switch to other ideologies like Communism and Fascism and such that promise their own version of " Heaven on earth" if only all adhered to it.

The issue I see though is any ideological system just becomes a way for an elite to control the masses through manipulation of that belief structure. But at least with something the Christianity, the fundamental axiom is rooted in the inifinite, something beyond humanity which can act as a solid guide stone so to speak.

But again, is there a way from preventing a wholly detached and corrupt/power hungry elite from using those sacred ideals for their own ends? People by and large may be stupid (us included), but they aren't what I fear.

>>138741244
Do they come with a set of morals? If so then they serve the same fucking function as 'the god of the desert'.

>>138738765
Fuck dude that's me. I'm hanging in there, though, got a clean ass room.

>>138741415
IMO Christianity is heavily corrupted as is. Pathological altruism (a form of mental illness) is a serious problem within the christian community.
Once again asylums would solve that issue.
Its more about being a liberal than being a christian today because liberals have commandeered the institution.

>>138731768

That is literally the terror that our enemies wish to inflict upon us. Complete control of mind and behavior. You are absolutely right though, freedom has weaknesses. collectivists can use free speech to espouse tyrannical ideas and then use group tactics to create instability. I understand that during these times, we may need a strong man. That is why even people like Murray Rothbard were sympathetic to fascism. But we cannot win long term by becoming the very thing we wish to fight. We need to educate our children in Marxism, and deeply. Why it fails, how it prays on human cognitive weaknesses, and how it uses critical theory to divide and conquer. We need to gain control of the education system and remove leftists from power. Only then can we have a free and open society again.

>>138739520
so if for surviving no work is needed we need something bigger people can contribute to. like a glorious nation.

>>138740829
Funny enough, Peterson is the person who got me to read and study the stuff that allows me to understand your statement to be at least partially true. That has to have some value.

>>138741112
I should have said
>God, when people conceptualize God as the ultimate authority, is a meter by which to evaluate all other ideas.
I pushed two different thoughts together and didn't realize until I had already hit the post button.

>>138741244
The specific stories have value not because they describe particular events, but the symbolic meaning of those events and the parallels that can be drawn between them and our own lives. Synchronicity within story themes and real life is a reflection of truth.

Without having an unshakable foundation there is no way to move forward in thought. You can claim, as many have tried, that morality is independent from religion. Though no matter what you may like to think every one of these minds including your own was born into and educated in a society that was built upon religious doctrine and philosophy.
The golden rule itself fails on face value when you look to other civilizations and see that their standards for interpersonal relationships are vastly different. Environmental influences on development can wildly skew what we consider normal behavior. Not all cultures end up at the same point.
Morality does not exist in a vacuum, it is referential, and God is the ultimate reference point. The subjectivity of varying perceptions cannot end up at any logically consistent conclusions.

>>138742157
And what do we do with the current crop of young people who have been 'educated' during the last 20 odd years?

>>138741523
Does the 'god of the desert' agree with eating dogs and drinking cow piss? I just can't see the logical conclusion of Christian morality being based on Peterson's God as first principle. It can go one way, but he just happens to choose Christianity (at least for himself) as some sort of standard. But if an axiotomic God can go one way, then he wouldn't fight to keep his religion alive as he's doing now. Or else he'd just be deist. His whole argument is really a deistic one.

>>138741244
peterson doesnt mean with god what regular theists mean with it. god is more or less the highest possible good you can strive for.

>>138742017
I agree that liberals commandeered It, but that's just the thing - the people you want to throw in asylums are those who have been duped into these dangerous ideologies being pushed by malicious and powerful people for their own purposes.

We should focus on limiting their power, because otherwise this madness will never end, just evolve and adapt.

>>138741663

I've been experimenting with personality change. I am starting to control my lack of agreeableness just by being aware of it, and I seem to be slightly less neurotic as I'm quicker to put a stop to vicious cycles of irrational negative thought. I think I would do best in a job that proves a lot of stability with a slight amount of controllable conflict. It's a shame I can't find work shitposting on /pol/.

There's little research on long term personality change. You generally become more agreeable and less neurotic as you get older, but there seems to be no interest in studying if you can actively change your personality. There is some work into drug use effecting openness levels, but I guess I'll have to see where I end up. Good luck out there.

>>138731459
history has favored ted hasnt it

>>138742604
Also the infinite that encapsulates us limited beings and all other things.

>>138730812
>the most irritating thing about Peterson is that he believes that people on the left are able to understand discussion about their beliefs

I don't believe that he thinks that. I'm convinced, that his message is directed to the people that aren't ideologically possessed.

He knows fully well, that at the moment that someone is ideologically possessed you cannot change their mind. He derived that conclusion form the behavior of ideological communists that were political prisoners in the soviet GUŁags; even tho they were enslaved and tortured by their beloved party, they would be still devoted communists. If those kind of experiences can't disenchant the ideologically possessed, then certainly you cannot talk them out of communism.

>>138742372
Maybe but the USA is too big (and diverse) for that to work.
Its a great idea for smaller sates. Perhaps large ethnically homogeneous states like China and Japan could pull it off.
I'm of the opinion that the USA should be balkanized due to its unruly size alone.

>>138729666

Welcome to the JBP rabbit hole. Enjoy the 2:00 AM lectures.

>>138742700
I guess you can put it that way. something that transcendence us and keeps us from becoming totalitarian and humble
>the story of 6 kingdoms of the jews that all crumbled because they stopped believing in something higher

>>138742840
>I'm of the opinion that the USA should be balkanized due to its unruly size alone.
terrible idea. we cant ignore real politics and for my part I rather have the eternal anglo holding the biggest stick than some chinks

>>138730812
>you have to kill them
You sound like them, why don't you go ahead and KYS? Anyway you are probably one of them.

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>>138729666
>boomer Jordan "if you kill your enemies, they win" cuckerson

G A S
A
S

>>138742481
Even the most resistant person is still susceptible to group pressures. If these people were taken out of their own echo chambers where they had to genuinely confront other ideas they wouldn't be so dogmatic. Liberal Arts and Social Sciences in universities are no different from a fundamentalist Islamic mosque. Every single day they're getting the same message hammered into them, and this has built up a culture where the highest aim is to be holy(progressive) in the eyes of the group. This is why they have such a rabid propensity for turning on each other, for outing each other, jumping down each other's throats for not being progressive enough.

The university is not an open marketplace of ideas, it is a place where bad ideas never have to get judged. Were that to change then the dynamic of the education system and its political bias would change.

>>138743053
wrong. he even says you are only a man if you become dangerous (mental and physical) but dont use it for the wrong things

>>138742392
Sure it does. But his folky zeal strikes me very much as that held by revival-tent hucksters and makes me very seriously question his authenticity. The material isn't bad, it just isn't new or particularly well thought-out, and I worry that not every person will continue to dig. His product is still very much in alpha.

>>138733782

Most people are dumb or borderline retarded, thisngoes for black and white. Talk to someone who has an IQ of 100. All their beliefs are among party lines or within exactly what they were taught as children. No original thoughts. Half the population is this. All stupid.

Peterson expects your average person to be some kind of philosopher king capable of self enlightenment through logical reasoning and discourse. That may be true for a couple of people, but the problem is how society is run is now decided by a couple of people, but by the filthy unwashed masses and what they see on their meme tvs. Violence is sometimes the answer. Your enemies cannot ruin society when they are dead.

And on your Christian suggestion, Christian identity never stopped protestants and Catholics from massacring each other, even though the differences in their beliefs were literally minute. People will always tribalize within the context of a bigger population, it will always happen. We are tribal. It is up to those who actually are philosopher kings to help the masses control their baser impulses.

How do people bear this fag? Jordan Peterson is a totally basic bitch anti-SJW with pretentious obscurantist garbage entry-level anti-postmodernist philosophy. How can you like this guy past the age of 14?

Don't agree with the Roo on everything but Devon is so far the only one I see willing to call this Canacuck fag on his total bullshit

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZDXHlOnKmdI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qkwT35uJv4w

>>138729666
go to the library aussie!

>>138743205
>>Most people are dumb or borderline retarded, thisngoes for black and white. Talk to someone who has an IQ of 100. All their beliefs are among party lines or within exactly what they were taught as children. No original thoughts. Half the population is this. All stupid.
you might want to actual talk to people. I had lots and lots of dealings with people on the low end of the iq spectrum and they are maybe slower and not what you would call smart, but they are not dumb by any means. be careful about your views.

>>138743149
When he dismisses white identity politics as collectivist shit, he's either an idiot utterly divorced from reality, or a fucking shill. There's no other way around it

>>138742592
As long as your gods serve as a set of moral instructions, and social conduct they are doing their *job* of a religion.
I think it's pretty obvious some religions are better than others. (Although I think anything is better than atheism).
Humans seem to be evolutionary predisposed to worshiping some type of entity. Once again evo-phyce proves the answer, since we probably spent 500,000 years worshiping the large rock in the middle of the huts or the magic bird in the sky.

>>138743381
I give you that he probably doesnt understand how bad it really is.
and white identity politics IS shit. it's a fucking neo nazi bullshit and too easy mistaken with white supremacy.
discard
>white
>nationalism

replace it with
>ethnopluralism
>patriotism

but spencer and his white crew will never learn and always be fucked over by actual (((nazis))). and thinking anyone will ever build an identity based on his skin colour. not even the most stupid niggers do that kek

>>138743027
Yeah well the eternal Anglo is having trouble holding that stick up if you haven't noticed. Texas is on track to be 25% white in 30 years.

>>138743330

Jesus, whatever faggot produces those videos is completely insufferable. I don't think I'll be able to get through five minutes of the second one.

'I can't believe he put his hand to his head like that! Who would do that?! HAH, I never would! And did you hear how he pronounced God? lol'.

>>138742403
>The specific stories have value not because they describe particular events, but the symbolic meaning of those events and the parallels that can be drawn between them and our own lives. Synchronicity within story themes and real life is a reflection of truth.

The problem with this is that virtually every Christian past and present have taken biblical stories at face value. And rightly so, a reading of even the new testament commands you to take Christianity at face value, not just symbolically. You HAVE to be believe in the story of Christ or else you can't accept him, you HAVE to believe in adam and eve or else original sin doesn't make sense, etc. The stories of the bible were meant to describe events that have happen in the dimension of time, it's not just a philosophy book that ponders on thought experiments with fictional characters.

>Morality does not exist in a vacuum, it is referential, and God is the ultimate reference point. The subjectivity of varying perceptions cannot end up at any logically consistent conclusions.

But where is the line between God and morality? It's easy to say 'God is the reference' but what is the mechanism at which we arrive at an objective morality?

>>138742641
Dk how hold you are but I'm 29 and things are a lot better than 4-5 years ago. Just keep reading and trying to understand yourself, and don't expect others to go about things the same way.

Careful with drugs though, they gave me some real trouble in my early 20s, I think possibly brought out some elements of personality disorders that were hidden beneath the surface. Although I recently took acid and had quite a meaningful experience, probably because I had many more meaningful things to contemplate than in my earlier years.

Godspeed, anon.

>>138743381
Peterson has his own cognitive biases, and its not helping him any that he has placed himself in a political position where he cannot ever give any ground to the right. Hes already accused of being a Nazi, and hes afraid of that label.
Hes not anywhere near the master of analytical thought that reddit wants him to be. The man is quite disorganized, and its clear he organizes much of his thoughts as they're leaving his mouth.

A lot of the content he covers is spot on however. The issue I feel is that people are far more in love with him as a person than they are with the ideas hes teaching. Ironically this is a theme that I don't think hes even capable of recognizing. Hes a hero among a certain contingent on the internet, a contingent of disaffected millennials who desperately needed something to believe in. The cult of personality built up around him would probably exist even if he was far less educated.

>>138743330
Even if you don't agree with all of the claims he makes (which I don't), you'll learn a lot about psychology and glean a lot from the unique and creative way in which he approaches his material. It's like he teaches a new way of thinking and opens up new neural pathways.

>>138743166
I cringe whenever he laughs about having Tim Leary's old job at Harvard because I try not to be a paranoid lunatic but ever since he came on to the seen I've been afraid he's some CIA trick to calm us down and have us talking about cleaning rooms instead of throwing commies from choppers.

>>138743381
He dismissed the entirety of identity politics as destructive and infinitely malleable since groups can be continually and arbitrarily created as suits people's whims. It relies on post modern neo Marxist thinking of oppressed groups and power being the only thing that any can aim for, immediately pitting every so called group against each other from the get go.

He dismissed white identity politics on the basis that it forces you to play the left's game of post modern quackery for it to make sense. Variation within groups is extremely wild on any discernable note, meaning it is useless for someone to claim to represent that group. Plus "whiteness" as a concept (just like every other identity group) has been arbitrarily created and changed over time to fit whatever the ideologue needs (ex. Italians and Irish were not considered the same as say the English all that long ago, Jews can claim to be white or not white depending, etc.)

>>138729666
No one who knows the truth will try to sell it to you, and if by chance they do, then steal it from them, because it's not theirs to charge for.

>>138740080
Hobby spaces seem sufficiently poised to supply fulfillment in place of jobs, almost as if by design.

>>138730812

Only a small minority of them are truly damned. Most people can be led out of the cave.

>>138729666
He gives a discount code at some point

>>138743751
>ethnopluralism
>patriotism

This is wishful thinking because the non-westerners cannot assimilate.And this isn't a first generation-specific problem, just look at the gettos. They cannot assimilate because they have been led to believe that the US state is out there to lynch them where it actually pampers them. And guess (((who's))) perpetuating these notions, and guess which ideology calls out our (((mystery tribe))).

The time for civic nationalism ended in early 80s senpai

>>138739052

Eh, he doesn't have to. We're kinda in an era where we don't need charismatic leadership that much anymore; much like what Nietzsche alluded to in regards to the individualistic superman. We've been going through the painful process of this revelation primarily since the Enlightenment and it's the ultimate redpill for humanity to swallow but it's been happening naturally.

It's what Peterson alludes to when he brings of the Orthodox concept of Theosis. The idea is that humanity has one direction and that is toward its inevitable union with Truth. As much as they'res resistors and hold-outs that try to detract from It, people are inexorably attracted to It.

In other words, the problem will sort itself out naturally.

>>138743205
WTF are we supposed to do? Exterminate them?
Just feed them basic Christianity and teach them to only have one or two kids.
Encourage them NOT to race-mix since this is destructive to identity & teach them to build their communities.
Peterson's complex thinking is exactly the wrong thing to do because it's too open to reinterpretation.

>>138739817
>JBP pretends to understand Mathematics

>>138744351
I think you misunderstand me. Im not arguing about the goals of white nationalism but about the way to achieve it. politics is all about perception and using old incredible bad connotated terms is a really really bad idea.
for example the identitarian movement austria realised that long ago and only ever uses patriotism and ethnopluralism and words like re-imigration etc.
in my opinion biggest mistake ever to use white nationalism because you cant distance yourself from david duke and other Jewish shills

>>138743751
If things get out of control even whites will get tribal. I've already resigned myself to this and joined 'team white'.
Maybe if 'team Christian' had a chance I could join them but they look thoroughly cucked.
I'm not joining team 'civic nationalism' for religious reasons.

>>138743429
But what good is it if spawns detestable moral instructions in some parts of the world? I mean is it just lucky that we had a better set of instructions than hindus? Is our set of instructions even the right one? Because if it can produce almost completely different morals and ethics then God as an axiom is nothing more than a theory of morality. And what about the Buddhists? They supposedly have no God figure to point their morality towards, yet their moral code rivals even Christianity.

>>138744175
Hobbies generally work for creative people, which the vast majority of people are not, and they are tortured in pursuit of them. Just look at the current statistics of unemployment and rates of suicide and other manic behavior.

It's clear that while some people can be perfectly functional without a job, as they have other forms of meaning, but the majority of people spiral out of control because their life is devoid of purpose, and nothing they do actually matters. Just take a visit to /r9k/ if you want proof, and that's a selection of people who have higher than average intelligence which should be interested in a whole range of things and hobbies.

>>138743986
My ISP is a faggot

>The issue I feel is that people are far more in love with him as a person than they are with the ideas hes teaching

I'd like to believe that, but there may be a more sinister reason he acts like he cannot percieve reality; just take a long look at his audience. Many non-whites he doesn't want to alienate by backing white identity politics.

>The man is quite disorganized, and its clear he organizes much of his thoughts as they're leaving his mouth.

And he urges people to sort themselves out and clean their room lmao

>>138744804
just be smart about it

dont say team white but team 'homeland and self determination for everyone'

you mean the same but people will not see you as a nazi

>>138743933
The trend of interpreting everything in the bible as literal is a relatively new trend. It began with protestants and Evangelicals, the American Evangelical movement takes it to the nth degree.
There are books that are historical record, there are also books which are poetry, books that are prophetic, books that are nothing but philosophy. This context is only lost on the modern world, it isn't historically rooted. The prophetic texts don't foretell exact times, set dates. Instead they tell of themes that are to come, themes that always have the potential to arise in civilizations that are failing. The value therein is learning the importance of the themes and how to recognize them, not in the wider prophecy itself. It is this Evangelical mindset that became fixated at the latter, and thats why we have people obsessed with counting bible pages to try and calculate when the end of days will arrive.

Morality isn't something that we just arrived at it. Morality is a blade that was honed over the hundreds of years of civilization that came before us. The precedent of philosophical thought that led to our concept of what is moral is directly linked right back to objectivity.

>>138730812
>fag anti-left
>supremely violent

>>138730812
fpbp

He's not ready yet,but knows where it will end.

>>138744149
>He dismissed white identity politics on the basis that it forces you to play the left's game of post modern quackery for it to make sense

But this is either high level jewery or plain stupidity. Identity politics stem from tribalism that is a very natural reflex. The false assumption that non-whites are being singled-out and victimised just for the sake of their skin colour is the only variable that requires the postmodern neomarxist faggotry. Also, when your enemy engages in identity politics and becomes a group, you are doomed to fail if you remain a single individual. Even if "white people" didn't exist as a concept, the necessity would bring it to life. Also, "white people" is a false term for an actual group: european people, that have relatively close cultures and can live with each other.

>>138744958
How the fuck should I know? I'm not expert on the intricacies of foreign religions.
Whites have had Christianity for good 1500 years so I'm going to go with that. The stories are pretty refined and you can apply most of the new testaments teaching to everyday life. (As was it's intended use).
It's perfectly good for what I want.
>Maintaining families
>Fighting degeneracy
>Doing some jobs that state shouldn't be involved in like education, marriage & welfare.

>>138745079
I am being smart about it. Anything that leads to one race, one currency, one government, one leader, ect.. is negative imo.
I'm not saying there is no room for 'le civic nationalist' countries like the USA but those countries don't have the right to abolish ethno-states.

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>>138744792
>in my opinion biggest mistake ever to use white nationalism because you cant distance yourself from david duke and other Jewish shills

It depends, really. When there's extreme ideologies (marxists) that go unchallenged and not condemned from the mainstream media, they become normalized as they shift the Overton window further to the left. You actually need an equal REaction to the left's madness just to prevent their lunacy being normalized. If your rhetoric is Jon Kasich-tier when the left's rhetoric is "tear down mount Rushmore" in 5 years the mt Rushmore monument will be demolished. When there are extremes to one side, you need a counterballance

>>138729666
He does make some valid points but you also have to wade through an awful lot of inane drivel where he's quite clearly forcing ideas to fit. He is toeing the line between self-help guru and actual academic.

>>138730812
Not everyone, but a good majority. I have a close friend who was very very left leaning. He took it upon himself to start watching Joe Rogan and other people. His views on trans people and other things like free speech have shifted immensely. If you're smart and not afraid to criticize your beliefs to replace them with new ones, then you're capable of breaking away from indoctrination.

>>138746161
He'd like him, I think, since Stirner is anti-collectivist and believes the individual should be concerned only with himself. Too many leftist are slaves of "the common good" spook.

>>138746286
that's all nice and well but only perception and current reality does matter. you can be a far right group without any of the nazi shit. case in point the identitarian movement in europe that almost stopped the nigger inflow over the Mediterranean

distancing yourself as far as possible from (((nazis))) and fed larping as nazis is the most important thing to do. spencer didnt and see what happened

>>138746286
I think it's too late. The left went unchallenged for too long.
Its the utopian dribble that's killed us, it wasn't outright Marxism because it was never so clearly defined. instead it was more feelings based 'everyone singing under the rainbow' crap.
What needed to happen was any time someone expressed this utopian feeling based rubbish they needed to be struck in the face with a rolled up newspaper and told very clearly. YOU ARE AN IDIOT.

>>138746839
>spencer didnt and see what happened
What exactly happened thats so bad for him?

>>138747014
did you miss the shitshow in charlottsville?

>>138730812
has socialism or communism ever been voted in, or has it always gotten into power from violent revolution?

>>138745215
>The trend of interpreting everything in the bible as literal is a relatively new trend

I disagree with this. It's only true in the first 300-400 years of christianity since it took awhile for most Europeans to really comprehend an entirely new religion (and some of them we're still pagan at that point). But like Islam, once it started to take root, biblical literalism began to spread during the dark ages. Literalism died down for awhile several centuries later. Then the protestant reformation happened and literalism was born again (pun intended). But many literalists like Martin Luther argued that you cannot but take the bible literally since it urges the believer to do so. And that's my point, the bible urges the reader to believe every jot of ink and it will keep revitalizing this strand of thought forever.

>Morality is a blade that was honed over the hundreds of years of civilization that came before us.

Would you agree that it was still being honed before christianity? Pagan Europe was already making vast stride to morality and ethics via the greeks, much more than the nomads in Israel who had the old testament to work with. Surely that is evidence that you don't need a 'God' in the sense of abrahamic monotheism to develop morality right?

>>138745722
so you're going with Christianity because you're born into it and not because it's more truthful/useful than other religions? This isn't even a pragmatic argument.

>>138747275
>Would you agree that it was still being honed before christianity?
I would argue that without the greek and roman influence during the early day of Christianity we would have a shitpile like islam

>>138746839
Still you underestimate the power of Overton window. If you go in the business of disavowing anyone that said something slightly antisemitic or whatever, you actualy empower your opponent to call you a nazi whenever he's cornered or wants to push you into a corner. If you refuse to give a fuck, and have a few faggots larping as nazis, then the nazis get normalized instead.

>see larpers with swastika in news going about
>never destroying private or public property and just generaly larp their 15 mins of publicity
>suddenly the nazi killing machine gets deconstructed, because nazis are some neckbeards or scrawny manlets that are pretty laughable
>your opponent has effectively lost the only weapon he ever had

This is how you fight kikery, with advanced kikery. You should be afraid if any faggots start larping as nazis and start shooting niggers and synagogues.

>>138729666
You can explain the current paradigm very simple:

1. The elites promote the idea that everyone is equal with the same opportunity to succeed if they just work hard enough. This is the only way they can justify their disproportionate amount of wealth and power.

2. This makes kids today think that they can all reach way above the average. However, when they enter their mid 20's and realize their lives are going nowhere, they enter this state of crisis. They now have a few options.
- Denial <--- /lit/
- Accept defeat <--- /r9k/,
- Join a victim cult <--- feminism, fat acceptance, etc.
- Reject liberalism and individualism. <--- /pol/

>>138747450
No I believe in it. I believe in God. Jesus Christ is the most influential person in the history of humanity, so I think it's ordained.

>>138747513
you think you can beat them by their own rules and in their game? the only way to win is not playing their game.

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>>138746972

See this

>>138747513

Also, if we push back as hard as they have pushed towards us, we can do it. But a gentle push won't cut it, we need to be the pendulum that violently swings to the opposite extreme. If we Paul Ryan ourselves, we are fucked

>>138747545
>pol isn't a victim cult

>>138747935
Not in the sense that we blame our own personal failure on someone else.

>>138748052
(((ok)))

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>>138747692
>you think you can beat them by their own rules and in their game? the only way to win is not playing their game.

Obviously, because they need to live up to their ruleset as well, just like that kike Alinsky said. If you don't play "their game" you lose, because you have the media stacked against you, you have a very weak emotional arguement (on equal opportunity, whereas they have "justice and equity") and you fail to unite your group and leave them as individuals to get devoured.

No, if you cannot physically remove leftists and kikes, you need to outjew them. There's simple no way around it

>>138738188
>flag
unsorted

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>>138748144
>OY! You aren't supposed to notice! Horse-shoe theory!

>>138748152
>Obviously, because they need to live up to their ruleset as well
wrong, wrong very wrong. sadly I have to leave but look up r/k selection. we as k WILL uphold the rules, r will not and cheat you over by any chance they get.

and I want to add that results speak louder than words and I just compare Charlottsville shitheap with defend europa.

>>138747793
>Silver tape implying niggers cant run their mouths this day and age.
Lawdy

>>138747275
You do have a fair point about the trend of literal interpretation existing earlier than I mentioned, but I would argue here it wasn't the mainstream. It wasn't the prevailing school of Christian thought at the time as the Catholic church was still top dog by a long shot. Today however we have even the Catholic church falling off the path of tradition and becoming radically more liberal.

It goes without saying that morality as we understand it now was not a complete concept when Christianity arrived. I'd even say that Greeks were centuries ahead of the semites when it came to higher thought. Christianity itself and the wealth of philosophers who coalesced within it were all standing on the shoulders of Romans and Greeks.

>>138748144
I said personal failure, not the total wrecking of society.

If you ask for personal advice on /pol/ the answer you usually get is to not go to college, learn a trade and get a normal job. /pol/ rejects the current paradigm, the idea that we are all special snowflakes.

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>>138748332
I have read a few things about r/K and watched a podcast from Whittle explaining it. When i am saying we play by their game by their rules, i am not reffering to the official rules, but rather the Alinskyite ones. Against that ruleset they can lose and pretty badly.

>>138748346
kek

>>138731459
besides his solutions, find me one thing Ted said that was wrong
>pro-tip
>you can't

>>138748152
You should rename the pic to "nazi collaborators with beheaded Greek patriots".

>>138743330
The commentary in those videos is the worst possible combination of arrogance and ignorance. Just one point-missing criticism after another. If you fail to understand how there's truth value in stories which are not literally true then you're not as smart as you think you are. If you think the stories of Dostoevsky or Shakespeare are unable to convey truths about life because the stories aren't literally true then you're living in a pitiable state.

Jung:
'It is possible to describe this content in rational, scientific language, but in this way one entirely fails to express its living character. Therefore, in describing the living processes of the psyche, I deliberately and consciously give preference to a dramatic, mythological way of thinking and speaking, because this is not only more expressive but also more exact than an abstract scientific terminology, which is wont to toy with the notion that its theoretic formulations may one fine day be resolved into algebraic equations.'
'Equally childish is the prejudice against the role which mythological assumptions play in the life of the psyche. Since they are not "true," it is argued, they have no place in a scientific explanation. But mythologems exist, even though their statements do not coincide with our incommensurable idea of "truth." '

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>>138749035
Wat

They actually are commies, and as you know, commies are the antithesis of patriots

>>138739111

The problem is people not well grounded in economic theory are spewing nonsense theories about automation. Automation does not destroy employment, it creates higher productivity which increases employment. The problem is a minimum wage that keeps people unemployed. As long as we have a deflationary currency, people on the bottom can still build wealth. Look at the automation that exists now, people a century ago would have thought it a nightmare. But instead it's created infinite possibilities for the common man to strike it out on his own. Anyone can be a music producer, anyone can become a comic artist, anyone can build a readership. Governments are the problem, not the technology. We continue to have governments that push outmoded centuries old policies on new technologies. I'm going to state, employment as it exists now will no longer exist in the future. Each man will be his own company. And I don't think today's governments are equipped for such a scenario.

Cowardice And Individualism by Dr. William Luther Pierce
Explains Peterson perfectly. Peterson is a faggot.
https://youtu.be/LsB5vHs_83Q?t=14m29s

Peterson is not a Christian. He does not believe that Jesus is God or that he rose from the Dead.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RIB05YeMiW8&t=3s
https://www.hooktube.com/watch?v=RIB05YeMiW8&t=3s

>>138732334
You have to admit it rings true in a lot of ways.
Reminder that the bosheviks and communists were kikes

>>138749282
Right. The Jung->Campbell->Peterson triumvurate of archetype peddlers. We get it. Truth is a spectrum. Kinda exactly the post-modern schtick that Peterson makes $60k a month supposedly battling. If I were The Christian Satan and wanted to make a really kickass demon, it would look exactly like Peterson.

>>138738283
Well it's exactly what happened in Iran.
Leftists help islamists get into power for some reason.
Leftists get rounded up and shot. hardcore islam is unopposed forever.

>>138749310

How stupid are you really?

The EAM/ELAS patriotic groups fought the nazi occupation forces.
They were not communist. They fought to liberate Greece from the German invaders/occupiers.
The people who fought and beheaded EAM/ELAS fighters (like the cunts in your pic) were sucking nazi dicks on the side.

>commies are the antithesis of patriots

Yeah. Vietnam is the perfect example of that. You know those damn Commies who sided with foreign forces and fought against their country.
Very unpatriotic.

>>138729666
Hes a good guy. If you dont want to buy his product just wait for it to go free again, he's already made it free twice

>>138749282
For modernists like ourselves, we use a method of thinking known as "unmasking".
The "mask" is a metaphor in this instance for the understanding that words do not always mean exactly what is being said. So in order to remove this mask, we look for context clues, facts, or our own learned knowledge to determine the most accurate representation of these words.
So in effect, we are looking for an objective meaning in a book, whether fact or fiction because it might relate to the human condition.

A Postmodernist does not believe in facts, common sense, or an objective reality. Everything is open to interpretation, facts are an inconvenience, everything is equivalent which means nothing is better or worse than another thing, while morals are merely what society makes of them and those can be changed as well.
When a post modernist reads a book, he is looking for whatever themes fit his narrative at the time and is unconcerned about what is actually contained in it.
Postmodernism is also the reason communism survives still, since nothing is better or worse, then communism is just another societal system, despite it's visciously bloody history.
Communism needs Postmodernist thought to survive.
We live in an objective reality, but they do not believe in it and they teach their garbage at every University in the world.

>>138750131
>truth is a spectrum
I don't think that's what Peterson is trying to say.
That would be a very Postmodernist idea and he abhors them.

>>138740829

You're actually right. For as much as Peterson harps on postmodernism, his understanding of Christianity is a Derrida style deconstruction of it. He just sees is asa chaotic amalgation of myths and contradictory moral messages. It's weird to me how much he hates the "bloody postmodernists" but in action is a post modernist himself. I don't think there's anything wrong with post modernism at the academic level, the problem is it can be used to justify 1001 different bullshit worries if taken seriously. I could use Peterson's same exact methods to come up with a 100% contradictory to his own Christian message.

>>138749429
>The problem is people not well grounded in economic theory are spewing nonsense theories about automation
I don't think it's against any, rational economic theory, to state that technology usually creates increased productivity with less labor. Historically speaking, we have had times of replacement, and new industries created, right, after periods of great unrest? Yeah, that's true, but what followed was increase specialties that required higher intellectual capacity. Right now, we are at the limit. 15% of the population don't have the IQ required to join the army. Jobs for people with below average IQ are increasingly rare.

The ditch digger may get a job running an excavator, but it's very unlikely that he would be able to program the code that runs a automated excavator, as an example. Small business are not only decreasing and becoming less common, they are becoming very complex. You want to run online company dealing with a specialized service? You think someone with an IQ of 80 could do it?

>Anyone can be a music producer, anyone can become a comic artist, anyone can build a readership
You're cherry picking jobs. You think anyone can become a good computer scientist? An engineer? A lawyer? They've done testing on IQ and job competency, and the fact that you rarely see anyone with an IQ of less than 100 in the above fields is very telling that most below average people could not do the work.

>>138749429
Industrialization created an enormous amount of unemployment and poverty that lasted for decades. Automation will have the same effect.

>>138750722
> I could use Peterson's same exact methods to come up with a 100% contradictory to his own Christian message.
Thats a completely accurate assessment. When Peterson is speaking to a room full of people they aren't critically evaluating his ideas. They're clapping because they already wanted to agree with him before they arrived.
The mentality of his viewership is a dangerous one. People lacking convictions will adopt whatever flavor of the month idol has to say.

Peterson does touch a great many topics and explore them well, but his ideas aren't perfect, they deserve great scrutiny. The reddit crowd however does not want any scrutiny of their hero figure.

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>>138750164
Are you for fucking real?

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>>138750164
Get gassed, commie scum

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>>138750164
Get a load of this Abraham Benaroya

>>138731768
Try actually listening to his lectures… his ideas of salvaging Western civilization are steeped in deeper spiritual understanding of our roles and responsibilities as men, women, parents, citizens, and a society as a whole.
Anyone who can't get at least "something" profound from this guy's lectures is truly cognitively dissonant.

>>138750520
He says he abhors them and yet practices them. This means one of two things. Either he does not know what he is doing or he is doing it in full knowledge. Neither of these make me want to follow his theological or moral or ethical or scientific or political or therapeutic ideas.

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>>138729666
hes a really smart man, i admire his drive, his drive to seek knowledge, to research stuff, to break it down, to explore it and try to understand the most diverse sets of ideas, and while doing it, teach others by putting it all on youtube

what a great man, too bad i dont have that drive

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>>138750164
Don't you fucking dare to say that communsts didn't have their agenda when fighting the nazis. '45 - '49 was your doing because you wanted to go behind the iron curtain to Papa-Stalin, despite being discarded on Yalta treaty

>>138751543
When is he practicing it?
I've not listened to much of his lectures because most of my knowledge regarding postmodernism has been from books.

>>138742646

He was right about a lot of things. He was a loon, but he was smart as hell. I think his writings are a cautionary warning. We should take them seriously despite him being a crazed terrorist.

>>138751652
It's funny because communist revolution was a partial catalyst for WW1 and likely gave rise to National Socialism in Germany.

>>138750722
>I could use Peterson's same exact methods to come up with a 100% contradictory to his own Christian message.
No you couldn't. You would create something lifeless and dull which resonates with no one.

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>>138751828
>and likely gave rise to National Socialism in Germany.

You spelt "certainly" wrong

Oh boy you are in for a treat

>>138751272
>>138751337
>>138751403
>>138751652

Nothing about EAM/ELAS in all that shit propaganda you posted.

Are you even aware that the communist party of Greece denounced the EAM/ELAS fighters after they refused to hand over Greece to the Anglos?

First you (nazi/anglo slaves) handed over Greece to the nazi invaders that raped, pillaged, and caused a devastating famine.
Then you handed over Greece to the anglos that turned us to a bitch client state - and well, we see how that turned out. How you like the crisis bitch? You want more taxes, more unemployment, and an even lower income?
Who's fault was the crisis, you dumb cunt?

EAM/ELAS fighters were patriots, and were not bound by what Rizospastis wrote (which was utter shit in any case), or by what the communist party said.

Go ahead and post ONE - ONLY ONE - picture of EAM/ELAS fighters carrying commie flags and or insignia.

They only carried the Greek flag.

>>138751740
He refuses to acknowledge a belief that Christ arose from the dead. There is no Christian church that does not explicitly hold this as being of central, defining importance in what it means to be a Christian. And so all of his talk about the importance of tradition is effectively moot because, like a post-modernist, he is ready to use the text of the Bible to mean what he wants it to mean. (Which is nothing more than a Jungian "wholeness"/self-actualization psychologizing.) It is confusing because he is using post-modern praxis to defend "tradition," but it is totally self-negating by definition.

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>>138751828
Also mandatory

>>138734694
That's less religious and more realpolitik.

>Never names the Jew
>praised on nu pol

sounds about right

>>138752658
Are you for fucking real?

>Are you even aware that the communist party of Greece denounced the EAM/ELAS fighters after they refused to hand over Greece to the Anglos?

Commies denounced pretty much everyone as a traitor, even Zachariades

Meanwhile EAM

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>>138752658
>>138753365
Pic very fucking related

>>138729666
just popping in to say that Peterson is our most based national treasure and anyone who thinks he has flaws (which he obviously does) should remember our lack of options up here. 9/10 pretty based guy.

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>>138752658
Meanwhile ELAS

>but i need a picture with a fighter with communist insignia cause they were like ummm tactical army n' shieet

Fuck off to a kiddies forum, faggot

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>>138752658
>Meanwhile ELAS

>>138752818
You say this like the more mainstream narrative isn't to dismiss the biblical texts outright as a waste of time. Like it or not Peterson is the much-needed middle ground. He is getting non-Christians to read and care abotu the texts, surely "god" will do the rest?

>>138730812
The faggot has a point

>>138753423
>>138753541
>>138753595

Do you have anything to say to refute what I stated?

If not, then get the fuck out.

You fought for the nazis.
Then you fought for the anglos.
EAM/ELAS fought for Greece.

Eat shit.

>>138753724
I am not a Christian and am very much a PoMo degenerate. I just find it baffling that people can't see what he is doing.

>>138732586
>The ability to virtue-signal seems to have become very important. It's linked to financial & social success in today's world.

>Push the jews agenda
>Get paid
Welcome to Hollywood.

>>138752818
>There is no Christian church that does not explicitly hold this as being of central, defining importance in what it means to be a Christian.
Truth is the highest value in Christianity. Nothing is more central than truth. I don't know how anyone could say that the guy who won't assert as true what he doesn't know to be true is not acting as a Christian, while the ones who assert to be true what they do not know to be true are the real Christians.

>>138754009
I think they DO see what he's doing, North America and europe are going through collective existential crises and people are looking to their past with enthusiasm. If Peterson's convoluted take on Christianity is the defence we have against nihilism or islam then so be it.

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>>138753933
you claim that EAM/ELAS were not commies, gave you proof of the opposite in wikipedia of all places (which is notorious left leaning). Go suck a pakicock faggot. You communists in 1940 didn't shot a single bullet because the Molotov-Ribbentop truce was in place and you literaly obeyed a fucking truce that didn't applied to the borders you lived in. You only started as rebels in 1941.

You fucking faggots should be grateful you were allowed to even live. But it was a mistake, obviously

>>138733214
thanks man

>>138729666
>Jordan Peterson
So.... Brainlet General

>>138754271
I think Christians are meant to take Christ's resurrection on faith. Another one of those definitional hurdles that seems to vex our Canadian Patreonmonger.

>>138754292
The Islam pol hates is in no real way different from the Christianity it thinks it is lacking.

>>138754292
The majority if Peterson's fans venerate him like hes one of the greatest minds of modern time. They're not flocking to him because his ideas are that sound.

He emerged in internet fame because of GamerGate and talking about SJWs. The tranny bill and the election just exposed him to an even wider audience. The important take away here is that he was already ideologically compatible with the GG crowd for being anti SJW, just like Sargon, Shoeonhead, GWW, and a dozen other youtube personalities.

>>138754700
>Islam is the same as Christianity!

lmfao how can you be so naive

>>138732057
He's probably give it too you for free if you wrote him an email.

>>138754763
>peterson is a product of Gamergate

fucking horseshit, look at his youtube channel it's nothing by psych lectures until bill c-16. Not everything is about your vidyagaems faggot. Peterson has a career.

>>138743361

The reason we are in the state we are in, is because we are awash with low IQ people who hold executive decision making power. Would we be better off if these people did exist? Of course we would! But I understand such ideas invariably lead to genocidal action. That doesn't mean the problem we have is not caused by low iq people. Even Peterson himself admits that society needs to be generally high IQ for democracies to work.

>>138744442

The problem with Peterson's work is that it requires too much effort to understand for the average person. What can Peterson say to help the average IQ imbecile? That their stories are false and that they only hold metaphorical meaning? His message is for the inteligencia, so it is of limited scope. We can debate it here, but it doesn't belong anywhere near a platform for social improvement. He is an interesting but niche philosopher. We should not be making policy decisions based on Peterson's work. It's Both a disservice to the complexity of his thought and the realities facing low IQ imbeciles.

>>138754896
Your absurd reaction is just proving my point, you're dedicated to defending his character.
I said he emerged in internet fame because of Gamergate. I did not say he was a product of it. I'm well aware of his clinical work and history.

Don't fall into cults of personality.

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>>138754473

I'm not a communist, neither was EAM/ELAS.

commies and nazis are all fucking criminals
always have been
always will be
you both need to be exterminated in order to make the world a better place
fucking filth the lot of you

Here's a nazi document proving that EDES fought against Greece alongside the nazi scum

>>138755085
>i said he emerged to fame because of Gamergate

Literally nobody watched his shit except people who were into psychology lectures UNTIL c-16. Run the numbers on his view count and subscribers, I'll wait.

>>138754777
If, as Peterson suggests, the Bible is really no more than a set of texts that evolved over time to speak about human well-being, then the Quran, which is exactly the same thing but with a decent editor, should have a similar capacity to rally people against nihilism. And it happens to require quite a lot less mental gymnastics than trinitarian mysteries.

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>>138738425

tl;dr

Stop being a lazy fuck and get yer shit together

>>138755217
If you're genuinely this blind you need to sort yourself out. You're vehemently apposed to comprehending the very clear sentences I'm writing here.
I did not say that Peterson emerged because of GamerGate.
I did not say he had no presence on youtube prior.

You're just showing yourself to be irrationally zealous in defense of your hero figure. You're proving that you're indoctrinated into a cult of personality.

>>138730812
The most irritating thing about peterson is that he believes that you can fight the collective left merely by "sorting yourself out" and living as an individual without adopting any political identity. He speaks of people being reduced to their group identities instead of being empowered by them - and that at a time when the power to oppose the left is what we need the most.

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>>138755094

>Το Εθνιkό Απελευθερωτιkό Μέτωπο (ΕΑΜ) ιδρύθηkε στις 27 Σεπτεμβρίου του 1941 στην kατεχόμενη τότε Αθήνα, με πρωτοβουλία του ΚΚΕ

>Ο Ελληνιkός Λαϊkός Απελευθερωτιkός Στρατός (ΕΛΑΣ) ήταν το στρατιωτιkό σkέλος του Εθνιkού Απελευθερωτιkού Μετώπου (ΕΑΜ) kατά την τριπλή kατοχή της Ελλάδας. Ιδρύθηkε στις 16 Φεβρουαρίου του 1942 kατόπιν απόφασης που είχε λάβει τον Ιανουάριο του 1942 η συγkροτηθείσα "Κεντριkή Στρατιωτιkή Επιτροπή" του ΕΑΜ. Μία από τις πρώτες ομάδες που ανέλαβαν δράση από έμπειρα στελέχη του ΚΚΕ στη Θεσσαλία kαι Μαkεδονία την εποχή εkείνη ήταν kαι αυτή που δραστηριοποιούταν στη Φθιώτιδα από τον kομμουνιστή, Άρη Βελουχιώτη

>not communists

Are you completely stupid? EAM/ELAS was made and manned BY communists. Are you legitimately retarded? Look it up faggot

About your picture, i don't know german so i cannot comment. Still, the communists were a legitimate threat and that was proven in the 1945-1949 insurrection.

This should be the fate of all commies. Now i would apppreciate if you stopped LARPing as ΕΓΩ ΕΙΜΑΙ ΤΟ ΠΟΤΑΜΙ and admit that you are a fucking commie

>>138755094
Woah look out guys. We got a centrist here.

>>138748152

You're right. We need to outjew our enemies. Playing a fair fight only makes us lose.

>>138745215
under fucking rated post

Don't watch Jewrdan Peterson

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nKL3MsKRtJo

>>138755667

EAM/ELAS was a Greek patriotic partisan group.


" ...in late 1943, pressed by both the Germans and rival leftist ELAS guerrillas, General Napoleon Zervas, the leader of EDES, the dominant guerrilla group in Epirus, reached a tacit agreement with Lanz and restricted his forces' operations against the Germans."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hubert_Lanz#Greece

http://www.tovima.gr/politics/article/?aid=574913

Go lick the boots of your German/Anglo overlords ubernigglet.

>>138755807
>German nazi and anglo cocksucker = Greek patriot
>Greek patriot = centrist

Post more brainfarts you are hilarious.

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>>138755807
Faux centrist. EAM/ELAS were commie militias during the nazi occupation of Greece. He claims that EAM/ELAS were just innocent volunteers. While there were a handful of volunteers in their ranks, some 80% were commies and the leadership was 100% commies. So if he isn't a subversive commie, he's an absolute retard

>>138755836
Thank you, we need to further this. The mindset of "fighting honorable and fair" got us here. There's no point in being fair when your opponent will use every single underhanded tactic he can at the first fucking opportunity.

Geneva convention (so to speak) is over

>>138750316

The idea that the meaning carried by words is inherently fuzzy is a concept popularized be Derrida. And when he did it was called the death of literature and was the crowning achievement of postmodernism. What you call modernism is postmodernism. Postmodernism doesn't say there is zero meaning, simply that meaning is blurry and that you cannot remove yourself as an audience from the subject of the story. This means that "meaning" is always subjective, because you are interpreting the work. It bothers me when people agregué against postmodernism without understanding what it is.

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>>138756442
>EAM/ELAS was a Greek patriotic partisan group.
>in late 1943, pressed by both the Germans and rival leftist ELAS guerrillas

You are shooting yourself in the foot and you still don't get it.

Also

>General Napoleon Zervas, the leader of EDES, the dominant guerrilla group in Epirus, reached a tacit agreement with Lanz and restricted his forces' operations against the Germans."

It was the right thing to do. Always kill the traitor before the enemy
t. Corneliu Zelea Codreanu

I showed you what commies wanted to do here:

>>138751272
>>138751337
>>138751403
>>138751652

and he clearly did right. They wanted to diminish our northern borders just for the sake of their ideology. Not a single tear for traitors, faggot

This is a good thread, I'm saving it for later

>>138750912

As long as a good exists, the market will price it out and use use these resources in the greatest possible way. Humans would have to have an economic value of absolute zero to not be hirable. As automation increases prices continue to drop, so the cost of living decreases as well. People will make it but we need to change our mentality. The economy will not be the same, and you won't work in one place for 10 years.

If you took the good and services that existed 100 years ago and priced them to modern goods and services, modern people would have a greater amount than people did before. We have refrigerators, tvs, Tylenol, cars. Even the poorest of us. The amount of money needed to live a rather luxurious life decreases more and more. I make $22000 a year, and I live a very very comfortable life. Automation is a good thing.

>>138754700

I think the degeneracy of our culture and philosophy will be uprooted by the moral strength of Islam. They believe in absolutes, while we are busy straining out different shades of grade. A black and white mentality allows you to be decisive. I know this is unpopular and even I hate the idea, but maybe the west needs something like Islam to wake us up out of our degenerate slumber. Islam believes in the patriarchy, family, and the belief in God. It's not perfect, but neither was Christianity. If we cannot defeat Islam as a force, maybe it can reguvenate the spirituality of the west.

>>138758507
Why "something like Islam" and not just Islam itself?

>>138731768
OK Finally the kangaroo tweet to Podesta make sense...

Look here https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/869858333477523458

Remember these posts?

OK So people are going nuts over a Rothschild tweeting at Podesta in this post https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/1985889 This is weird and at first I thought the mention of a Kangaroo was because of Skippy The Bush Kangaroo but then I came across this article http://www.superlinguo.com/post/153271648711/the-etymology-of-kangaroo-especially-for-those Apparently the word Kangaroo is extremely relevant to the arrival of aliens? What the actual fuck? In which way do Kangaroos and The Rothschilds figure into this? https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/1986320/9781676

This is weird and at first I thought the mention of a Kangaroo was because of Skippy The Bush Kangaroo but then I came across this article http://www.superlinguo.com/post/153271648711/the-etymology-of-kangaroo-especially-for-those

Apparently the word Kangaroo is extremely relevant to the arrival of aliens? What the actual fuck? In which way do Kangaroos and The Rothschilds figure into this? K so we figured out that Kangaroo is "Doesn't know the question" But what is the question? Who is taunting Podesta and why? The posts mention The Grail Of Lucifer. I was thinking about it, you need a grail if you are blind right? There is one Philosopher who's name means blind but I can't seem to pluck it out of the air. Can you help me to remember? https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/1986504


Who can figure out the true meaning of "covfefe" ??? Enjoy! https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/869858333477523458 3:09 AM - 31 May 2017

"Covfefe" is actually the secret password to get into the basement of Comet Ping Pong. https://twitter.com/Mike_Drop_Pence/status/870293349164605440 7:57 AM - 1 Jun 2017
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>>138759246

Something "like Islam" obviously includes Islam. That I have to type this out to explain makes me wish that all of your people were enslaved by Islam right now.

>>138729666
I dont have any links, and wouldn't support stealing it but that's besides the point. What the program is you Identify 5 major segments of your past (epochs) and you write about each one for 15-30 minuets describing your feels and why they are significant. That's the past authoring program. Future authoring program is you create a plan for your life as if you were planning for a loved one, then in as much detail as possible you lay out how you could achieve these goals. Then After that you write about what kind off hell your life will turn into if you dissolve into your bad habits. That's pretty much it. Imo buying the program isn't necessary. Just watch his maps of meaning lecture series if you wanna knmow more. Also sorry about the fucking blog post im on mobile.

Is it more accurate to say Peterson is Christian or Gnostic?

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>>138729666
Nice satanic trips.

Watch as /pol/ slowly but surely begins to hate him because he's popular now.

>>138760201
if popularity was the issue we would have ditched Trump when he became the front runner in the primaries.

No faggot, /pol/ dislikes this boomer because he spews cuckservative wishful thinking (white identity politics is bad, goy, it's a form of collectivism)

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>>138757782

Are you not going to speak to the clear genetic limitations of human minds or do you blindly expect that they'll suddenly develop the ability to work faster than they have ever done before? I'm not going to put words in your mouth, but rational market theory is quite dumb, outside of pricing. Resources are constantly misused.

>As automation increases prices continue to drop
Prices have to drop, because people have to be able to pay for their goods. If they could pay, prices would just mean extra profit. There's also a limit on what people are willing to work for before they start just taking over your companies. Remember that crime is directly influenced by inequality, not just poverty. Even with a fair wage, human have to feel like they are valuable.

>People will make it but we need to change our mentality
This is like a horse, pre-automobile thinking: Great, all the hard work is over. We can move into other jobs like ceremony work. We are just limited by our imagination!

I think you're avoiding the root of the issue. This chart was made from data in the early 90s, before everyone shifted on mass to complex computer work. If you have an IQ of 90 or less, like 25% of the population, regardless of what you do, you're at the end of what is competent for any job. You have effectively zero hope of being retrained for a job that needs a higher IQ to function, and it's going to be hell for you to try and fail.

This site:
http://paulcooijmans.com/intelligence/iq_ranges.html
Speaks to abilities at different IQ ranges. As you can tell, there's not a lot of hope for complex tasks for a huge percentage of the population.

>>138757096
>nazis invade and occupy Greece
>zervas becomes a nazi bitch collaborator and starts killing other Greeks that are fighting the nazi invaders and noccupiers
>zervas was not a traitor guys, he was a patriot! I swear! It was the other guys that were traitors!

ΧΡΥΣΑ ΑΥΓΑ never disappoint to embarrass themselves and make me laugh!

Eat shit and die cunt.

:)

>>138739708
fanatics on the left are encouraged while those on the right heavily shunned, that's the difference.

>>138729666
the final straw that pushed me away from the left was their hatred of this brave man. no one would defend him. finally just going to clean my fucking room instead of worrying that by cleaning my room i might accidentally exploit someone of lesser privilege.

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>>138761828
Zervas killed communists. Communists weren't Greeks. Hell, communists aren't even people.

I showed you what communists had in store for our country, faggot. Should they won, our borders would be up to Lamia.

The traitors always get the bullet first, before even the enemy.

Now go be a salty commie somewhere else

>>138734766
Very good, my attitude towards him is similar. However i agree to some extend with>>138735150 he is delivering the fire also to those, who can't handle it and will likley be burned. Installing individualism into the mind of the common is immensly distructive in many cases. Often people are destroyed, if their inner truths are revealed and he is certainly quiet Spot in the truths of the common. He isn't quiet as good and Deep Carl Jung but he leads people into the shadows and that's often dangerous. I think he can help very intellegent people to get their shit together, but also fuck others up who aren't. Obviously he is naive and focused on the internal and therefore not aware of the froces that work externaly. We can't just go back to the 1980 early 1990 and no deep insights for everybody and being seperated from the group isn't always a net gain. Obviously our enemies will crush us, if we don't watch out and get losed in our inner world. Like every other teacher you have to grow on them until you have grown above them. He is the uncle, who can intrudce you to the myths and big battles of the inner world, but certainly not the one, who can teach you how to pick up the word or sword win against your enemy.

>>138759617
You want vacationing Americans to be enslaved by Islam? I already work in Saudi. Suits me just fine.