English is the most efficient language. Discuss.

>>138724378
nice source, faggot

Actually it's esperanto. Nigger.

>>138724378
french is the best for numbers

>>138724801
Tu sais qu'un billion français c'est 1000 billions anglais?

>>138724378
Intredasting, thx anon. Actually, the lower the information density, the faster the people speak so that information / second comes out ~ constant, which this shows, except for Japanese. But I can believe this.

>>138724378
This is some pre-published book, OP? What's the book?

>>138725108
Ton point étant?

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>>138725108
>un billion français

>>138724801
quatre vingt dix-neuf
4, 20, 10, 9
kek

German is the most efficient language you idiots. People dont say german efficiency for nothing

>>138724801
Incorrect. Mandarin was the fastest language with regard to mathematics. Cantonese was not in the study but would have been faster.

>>138725543
1133
One thousand one hundred and thirty three = 10 syllables
Mille cent trente trois = 4 syllables
Gets worse with larger numbers

>>138725702
It's not because you put everything in one word, that doesn't mean it's better!

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>>138725108
On dit milliard, sale con va

where did these numbes come from tho

>>138725940
Un milliard en anglais c'est un billion...

I do agree that English is usefull to express info and job-related things.

But when it comes to poetry or more generally litterature, English feels so poor and unsubtle.

>>138726164
That's because you haven't read a dictionary.

>>138724378
I hate Spanish and Spanish people. I unironically think they're an embarrassment to europe and should stay in their shithole. Just listen to them "talk" and you will want them removed.

>>138725108
Ça c'est juste un paradigme, on a placé le '' grand nombre'' de référence 1000 fois plus loin que les anglais. Mais la terminologie est la même, milliard c' est mille millions, billion c'est 2 * donc 10^12, trillion c'est 3*...

Ça ne change pas fondamentalement l'information passée

>>138726164
anglo subhumans BTFO

french is the most beautiful language

>>138724378
I agree

>>138726239
I'm not saying that English lacks words, because it obvious doesn't. But it miss elegant sentence, figures of speech, thousands of useless little puny things that, put end to end, feels empty.

And don't blame me for not reading dictionnary, the story is lame

>>138724378
You first year faggits are all the same

There's variations in all languages, in each individual speech community.

L2sociolinguistics.

>>138726164
You're correct.

>>138726534
L'anglais c'est une langue de plébéien.

I actually hate speaking english. I feel like my vocal chords aren't meant for it. It feels like I have cotton in my mouth when I speak English, but I can speak German very naturally. I feel like English can only be properly spoken in an Anglo, autralian, or southern accent. But I'm a yankee so I'd sound like a faggot if I did any of those

And yes I'm white

>>138724378
Do we really have to choose our language based on efficiency? they don't really seem to develop in that direction as a civilization grows older.

I kinda like more the idea of a language that can be read in different ways depending on context, leading to the training of lateral thinking and encouragement of art forms.
A complex language can always get simplified when the need to arises anyway.

simple languages are good as international middle ground as we can see tho.

>>138727006
Australian*

>>138726754
J'ai l'honneur de t'annoncer que le monde n'a jamais été aussi plèbéien dans ce cas. Défend le français en le valorisant, pas en descendant l'anglais.

Furthermore, English has more qualities than just being efficient, it's understood by almost everyone, which makes it a de facto #1 language to learn, more than the elegance of French or the summerness (?) of Spanish

>>138726534
You think french is special in this regard? that only french has words without true meaning, but "the feel is preserved"?
?????? clearly you only speak one language and it is not english.

>>138726754
"plébéien" means something different to "plebeien" or you just love inkblots? english is french remastered, with all the clûttèr tâkén aẅay.

>>138726559
So much variation in fact that some recipes use different times in spanish vs english to allow for longer reading time. so much difference that for all intents and purposes, japanese aren't actually saying anything but an endless stream of grammatically correct ums and ahs.

>>138724378
Hmm most efficient no. That would be german the language of writers and thinkers.
French is the most beautiful western language.
English is possibly the best of both worlds.

>>138724801
Stupid Canadian French numbers get retarded when they get too big.

>>138726534
English has all of those things; you just don't know it well enough.

>>138725923
German language rules allow you to create new words with meaning by anybody all of the time. Even if you have never seen this new word before you would understand it.

>>138727185
I think my English is better than your French, but you're right, judging is hard without being a native speaker.

I'm no linguistique student, I do maths for a living so my sensibility to different language is self-taught, and therefore rather shitty

>>138727396
You don't have the possibility to turn every sentence into a sexual one, I know that for sure, because everytime my gf tries to speak french she's dumbfounded of how many sexual under meaning there are

Not an indicator of the quality of the language but that's the only thing I can think of

>>138727425
concatenation = new words?

>>138727425
English is unbeatable on inventiveness; people create new vocabulary all the time.

Ask a Frenchman to translate:
> nice
> cheesy (cringe-worthiness)
> camp (homosexual behaviour)
> awe
and he couldn't do it. There are workarounds, of course, but English just absorbs or invents.

>>138725862
Probably French would still win, but for:

2233

it would take more syllables.

>>138727051
yeah nah we don't actually speak english mate

>>138727669
Double-entendres are literally *everywhere* in English. The British base an entire comedy system upon them.

>>138724378
English is the most complex and diverse language in the world. Having the ability to assimilate any other language that enters its stomping ground (French, German, Dindu, ect.). It quite literally makes it a language of over 100,000 words that mean something different. I took Mandarin Chinese in High School the term Shi can mean up to 50+ things. Similar languages also have that as well, English does not making it FAR superior.

>>138726534
To be fair, we keep it simple for you non-natives. English is dumbed down for the internet.

>>138727077
Mais l'anglais est littéralement une langue du peuple. Plébéien n'est pas nécessairement péjoratif.

>>138727708
Now this is just retarded. I can cherrypick words that don't exist in English as well to make it look poor, when all the meaning exist using many words.

But somehow you're right, English has a huge creating potential, and is very flexible. That's a huge good point.

>>138727708
Similar to Australian English where we just put an o onto the end of everything or come up with backwards ass slang for things

>>138727753
Only two more: deux mille deux cents trente trois.

>>138727854
>Similar languages also have that as well, English does not making it FAR superior.

u fukin dum m8?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_true_homonyms

>>138727798
I had no idea, as >>138727916 explains. It is true that I know French through arts and English thru the internet, no wonder why one is associated with elegance and not the other.

I love my language and so do you guys, it's nice to see that.

>>138727669
It's quite clear you do not know what you're talking about. Go read any number of the countless English epics.

>>138727971
Examples?

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>>138724378
>least efficient language

>>138728323
GAS THE SEPPOS EMU WAR NOW

>>138727916
I wish that was true but a lot of people simply don't know.

>>138728087
zwei-zwei-drei-drei
Get shit on, France.

>spelling out the needless parts

>>138728119
In this sense it is different trust me. While works like "back" have two different meanings the word Shi can literally mean "is", "an", "but", etc. I know it seems weird but there is a legitimate difference between a word with two meanings and a word with 50+ that you literally guess what it means as you're listening to it.

>>138726534
>only read english on a mongolian throat singing forum
>wooooow english isn't elegant at all!

>>138728171
Breton is the superior language

>>138728235
Even if I did, as I'm not a good speaker, I would miss a lot of things and end up thinking that English is poor compared to French.

I just base my reasonning on what my english speakers told me, I'm no expert as I said

>>138728369
Japanese just is simplistic. It omits important sentence elements if they've already been said for one thing which can make the language lack clarity in many conversations. It's why it's so hard to translate into english which is a very specific sort of language.

i figured german would be higher
everything is extremely detailed in description

>>138728423
That makes you sound like a child learning his numbers.

English poetry fucking sucks though.

Japanese and Chinese are very hard to learn and their populations have the highest IQ.

English enables nigger speak and loses all semblance of grammar and meaning, just sounds blabbering out of mouth, and yet it's a language. Nigger speak is low IQ.

At least with proper indo-euro languages like German and French, the speaker needs to know how to think.

>>138728483
I realised this mistake in this thread bud, sorry. See >>138728171

I'm eager to believe French is superior, just like you guys with the English, but I haven't much to argue with because I don't know shit

>>138728630
If a language can be spoken without needing to think, I'd say that the language would have to be pretty good.

>>138724378
Our language was basically the programming language used to code the app known as Fascism.
The app that then the Germans forked, turning it into a mess.

>>138726164
Classic French butthurt on this topic.

>>138728630
Most of Africa speaks french which just goes to show how much you know, gook!

>>138726534
Read the KJV

>>138728323
bottlo (bottle shop/liquor store)
arvo (afternoon)
avo (avacado)
sanga (sandwich)

https://youtu.be/wIsJkjImpdI?t=305

>>138728843
That language would be feminist novlang anon

>>138728323
afternoon -> arvo
septic yank > seppo
devastated > devo
liquor store > bottle-o

there are other endings too though, often -y or -a:
laptop > lappy
rimjob > rimmy
cab driver > cabby
sandwich artist > subba

and even some exclusive content:
toilet > dunny
redneck > bogan

>>138727425
True.
You can add like 5 words into each other and it is still a valid neoligism.

Grundstücksverkehrsgenehmigungszuständigkeitsübertragungsverordnung

Suck it, fags

>>138728880
lol, Italian does put a soft touch on such a hard ideology.

>>138726754
oh look, he wrote a note in his secret frog language. adorable!

>>138728947
I've only found some bible, what is kjv?

>>138728843
>what is danish

Can we all agree Romanian is the most beautiful language?

It is the closest European language to Latin.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=58a_BqZtUBs

>>138728630
>english enables nigger speak.

This happens in literally every language when it gets introduced to low-IQ niggers. It's not jut english; look at how French got absolutely bastardized into creole in Haiti or the various African nations. Same with spanish. The only reason you're not saying "east languages enable nigger speak" is because there are no niggers over there.

>>138729056
the official english bible, the one we use to solve arguments.

>>138729055
Common even you can read that, anglais is written like anglo, langue is writting like language and plèbéien is a latin word that is written almost the same in english

>>138728967
>sandwich artist

>>138728843
Not sure about China but in Japan, the education level is evident in how someone speaks. Therefore the speaker and his diatribe is subject to immediate ridicule which leads to shutting up.

That's a feature of a good language.

>>138729183
I've read the Bible in French and it was horrible, because the style of writting is so old. Does it feels the same in English ? If not, I might give it a try

minggir sialan

>>138729225
what's the standard english? "service slave"? "garçon d' pain"?

>>138728630
>English enables nigger speak
This is what happens when the United States of America has the same language as you

>>138728975
That really just gets into the semantics of what counts as a "word" though, because you're just cramming a ton of words together. I can do that with medical jargon too, for example.

Or,l for instance, if I decided to say "communist anarchist antifa faggot" as one word, it could just be "communistanarchistantifafaggot". That's all german does, more or less.

>>138724378
English is very easy to learn, but IMHO often ambiguous.

Don't know if that is why there are so many puns lost when translating from English to German. Would be interesting to see if that was also the case the other way around.

>>138725862
not
>eleven hundred thirty three

We speak english with this accent not because we can't but because we don't want to.
Furthermore the amount of words you have stolen from the french language is astounding, maybe you just wish your tongue was as pragmatic as ours.
Language and culture are tight knit and looking at yours i can understand why americans are so over emotional in all their ways.

>>138725862
Try 8888 in french
Inb4 I get it in quads

>>138729330
KJV is written in english from like ~1600 or so. So it does sound old and archaic, but TONS of our figures of speech and other stuff come from it. Even when people don't realize it.

>>138729226
That's true, you can almost tell how much somebody earns just by hearing him talking. Of course there are exceptions.

>>138729226
The same can be said about English except dumb niggers don't know when to shut up.

>>138729467
>germans
>puns

>>138728975
Modernised Anglo Saxon allows you to do that also, interestingly. When all Romance elements are removed from English, it becomes much easier to parse and there are less stupid rules to follow.

http://anglish.wikia.com/wiki/Old_English_Wordbook

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>>138728843
I just could't resist.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HxtVorLYnds

This is wat English has devolved into

What about russian/slav languages at general? Poetry written in russian is just god tier (if it was originally in russian), IMO.

>>138729384
>remove the space after an adjective
>this makes a totally new word

nice try.

>>138724378
Wow, Japanese fucking sucks

>>138728323
Literally take a word, cut the last bit off and add o.
service station -> servo
bottle shop -> bottleo
David -> daveo

Then you've got the way we say certain phrases

>Yeah, nah and nah, yeah mean different things
>hard yakka means hard work
>cobber means mate (more rural though)
>Durry means cigarette
>billy means teapot or bong depending on who/where
>bikkies/brekky is biscuits/breakfast

There's heaps more but I'm a lazy cunt and you've got Google. Long story short we bastardised the English language a fuckton to make it easier for us to say and some inside jokes. Also you get more of this stuff in regional areas mostly because the cities are full of Asians and they can't speak English anyway.

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does that really matter if it's useless, imprecise information?

>>138729622
Poetry and songs*

>>138728630
I hope kimmy melts you plastic fucks

>>138729534
I might give it a try then, even if I don't feel like re-reading the Bible when even in French it was super long.

If that interrests you, I found the French version is not that good, and sounds like an oral story put on paper. I think that's intended, but it makes it hard to read.
I'd be genuinely interrested in reading the Qu'ran in arabic if I could, it's reputed to be the best ouvrage

English and Swedish are much easier to read than Russian, for instance. They just feel more 'robotic' and lack elegancy

>>138724378
>English is the most efficient language.
for you

>>138724801
apart from 80 which is full-retard tier

>>138729226
>making communication difficult for many people is a feature of a good language
Shit man no wonder Asian languages are all convoluted as fuck; They don't even understand the purpose of that concept.

>>138729805
What does Quebecois sound like to you?

>>138729733
this Is why the English language is fucked up.

>>138726294
>I hate Spanish and Spanish people.

Thank your God you don't have a mexican infestation. Imagine what is already an ugly language being degraded further.

>>138729917
This is how true English sounded before Ameridumbs fucked it up

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jvgYLAKpU5g

>>138729893
It sounds like old French that would have evolved in its own thing. It's not as impossible to understand as Créole but it's not easy.
It sounds like all the vowels are fucked up. It nice sounding tho

>>138729733
Obviously Lindsey. If Jessica'd had cancer, Lindsay would've already told her, i.e. Lindsey would have told Jessica that she had had cancer.

>>138729882
I agree, the Swiss / Belgium system is way more efficient :,
Septante for 70 instead of soixante-dix
octante for 80 instead of quatre-vingt
Nonante for 90 instead of quatre-vingt-dix

>>138724801
you subhumans need to check out the danish number system. It is the epitome of inefficiency and weird logic.
Fifty = halvtredsindstyve
Halvtredje = 2.5 (literally means 0.5 from being 3).
Sinde = mulitply
Tyve = 20
So to write or say fifty in danish, you just say: two point five times twenty. Smart right? ??!?!?

>>138729330
Yes, it is similar in English as well. Especially in the OT, there is a lot of second person singular, which doesn't even exist in English anymore.

>>138730036
>Americans caused the shift to Middle English over 600 years before they existed.
Lad...

>>138730165
Do the cool kids in France use the shortened Swiss-Belgian numbers?

>>138729330
The information you're likely missing is that KJV stands for King James Version.

>>138729733
You can fix this issue with subject identification by replacing "she" with "the former" or "the latter."

>>138729733
> poorly framed sentence

Shut up Mohammed

>>138730165
Seventy
Eighty
Ninety

Wow! Your mouth would fall off from saying all those syllables!

>>138730175
>danish is not the most aesthetic langua-

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DUzQ-QAo12g

>>138730232
Not at my knowledge. We even mocked a swiss kid that was saying those numbers when I was young because we thought he was retarded.

>>138730232
no we think it sounds cute

>>138730036
old English sound like a mix between northern German and old Nordic.
Half the words in old English are still used in the Nordic languages (written and spoken a little differently ofc).
Modern English is more french than Nordic with heavier influences by high German.

>>138730302
>posts national treasure
he is what I picture when people on /pol/ say they have a Asian fetish.

>>138728967
>septic yank > seppo

This bothers me because it takes such a large leap to get there.

Need something that rhymes with Yank - tank. Okay, that's fine.

Then you have to add a descriptive to it, thus further pushing away from the original thing it's trying to mock, so you end up with septic tank. It's a real fucking stretch, but alright.

Then you throw it out the fucking window by then using the WORD YOU ADDED and then bastardizing it to reach 'seppo'.

God damn, if you're going to make a good insult it needs to be something that is easily understood with the bare minimum number of leaps from the word you're trying to ape. It all ends up coming off as something a child would come up with then struggle to back engineer.

>>138730232

no, since French are the most chauvinist pigs on earth

Flemish btw, just making an observation

>>138730292
Haven't I just said it is way less autistic to say the short version ?

>>138730236
Nah I read that on google.

>>138730392
I haven't met that many people that think this way unfortunately

>>138730398
*an

>>138727966
>I can cherrypick words that don't exist in English as well to make it look poor

give it a go

inb4 retarded words no one ever uses for autistically obscure situations

>>138726294
>Abdul Bin Datkniffe still mad we expelled them many centuries ago.
:^)

>>138729733
I don't wanna hear it when you krauts have commas and then die die or whatever articles you people put together to make a thought

>>138727966
French is anticreative. English adopts loanwords and only changers pronunciation, you homosexuals get words, then Frenchify them because god forbid you just add the word to your language

>>138729226
Whats the difference between a middle class Jap and a Working class in terms of their language?

>>138724378
It's not.

>>138728952
>>138728967
bottle-o was the name of a chain liquor store you dumb niggers

>>138724378
Spanish is beautiful mate, we have a lot of different accents and many particular words in each country, you need to hear Argentines or spaniards cuz mexicans and colombian are have nigger tier accent and chileans are really difficult to understand, in Argentina we speak spanish with the italian accent

>>138727854
>English is the most complex and diverse language in the world.
No cases.
Also, no grammatical genders. No wonder you became nest of rabid feminists.

>>138729226

>when you're born into a upper middle class family and speak like you're well educated but then your father's business goes bankrupt because of the 08 crisis and your family becomes poorfags but you still sound rich

>>138725862
eleven thirty tree

>>138730398
Americans fucked it up? We both spoke with the same accent until the Victorian age when you had to go and add your insufferable accent to things.

>>138730603
You haven't get my point at all : cherrypicking words that don't exist in the other language is low-tier bait and doesn't prove anything.

But still :
retrouvailles
AFFRIOLANT
DÉPAYSER
SE RECROQUEVILLER

>>138730727
>Spanish is beautiful
Fuck that gay shit, at least the french made their bastard language the sophisticated gay kind.

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>>138724378
CMIX is most efficient for text

>>138730727
Colombians And the rest speak a very convoluted version of Spanish because they switch from syllable timed to stress timed, like in English. They don't speak like "niggers", they speak like Anglos.

>>138730727
You should listen to how anchor babies talk, they can't speak English nor Spanish. Fucking useless retards

>>138724378
>English is the most efficient lan-

no

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pAY9CNkKOsg

>>138730292
>Ninety
why make it so simple burger?
90 in danish = Halvfemsindtyve. Translated to English it just means: a half from five times twenty. So 4.5 x 20.
Why make it easy on yourself? You are not some low IQ mutt who cant handle math are you?

>>138730830
eh I am pretty sure you cant blame the Dane for this.

>>138730663
I do agree with you 10/10.
Our language is monitored by the Academie Française : while it enable very few deviation from what it is supposed to be, it also makes it hard to change for the greater good.
They tried to remove the useless '' ê, î and ô '' not long ago, it was a shitstorm

>>138730436
>tells me the steps are complicated but a child could come up with them

in australia we split some noun-verb homophones by vowel length. "can" with a long vowel is a noun, but a short vowel is a verb. same with "span". this rule doesn't apply to words where the vowel is not adjacent to a voiceless consonant, like "ban" or "plan" which are always long.

"oo" in pool and "oo" in poon do not rhyme, in face there are two vowels that vary depending on the positions of l and r in the word.

Australian english is literally one shibboleth after the other, just to fuck with you.

>>138730398
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zfaEGU45lKA

On the one hand it sounds like a flatter nordic language, though it sounds most closely like a celtic language.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DUzQ-QAo12g

And then unfortunately middle English was bastardised with French

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e0ybnLRf3gU

Leading to the cancer that is modern english

>>138730727
thanks for the laugh

>>138731033
meant to link this not ole wedel

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hR5YS7k9eL8

>>138730436
This comes from English English rhyming slang, where the non-rhyming word is then used in place of the actual thing.

hair > barnet fair > barnet
trouble > barney rubble > barney
money > bread and honey > bread
look > butcher's hook > butchers

The Aussies then just add a diminutive -o suffix.

So then sentences like

> Go and have a butchers up the apples and pairs for my barnet.

make complete sense.

>>138730967
more

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ezk0_sjRxio
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eJzq-QNV690
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qwobCe_oW30
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ypDwGcGmy7k

>>138730802
>Gramatical genders
Who is the fact that the table is a woman useful information?

>>138731186
why is the fact* rather.

>>138726294
Moro que reza machete a la cabeza, abdullah

>>138727708
>English is unbeatable in inventiveness
>citation needed

Let me guess: you are a filthy EOP? Have you taken a look at german composite words?

And if you think there are no translations for your examples, then you are severly retarded. Do you really think other languages don't have an expression for "awe"?
And what you call "there are workarounds" is in reality "there are multiple translations, but I am too retarded to understand nuance".

>>138730802
But English has cases (three of them), and genders.

It's a shame Greek isn't so common any more, I find it probably the best language for discussions.

>>138731273
Are genders on a spectrum in English ?

>>138731272
And yet German is dead.

>>138731033
>On the one hand it sounds like a flatter nordic language
We have no idea how it "sounds" as that is simply guess work. Most people who study and speak it today give it their own artistic flavour (which is just fine). We also have no idea of how old Norse really sounded like. So just as with old English people just take inspiration from today spoken languages in the area.
In its written form its pretty clear to see the Old Norse roots. That much is clear.

>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e0ybnLRf3gU
WHAT THE FUCK IS THIS CANCER!?!?! ARGGHGHGHG

>>138724378
Finnish is the language of gods and thus superior to all human languages like English and French.

>>138731337
Get this for a radical idea:

In English, things with a gender (organisms) have one; but things without a gender do not.

Controversial, I know.

>>138731337
Grammatically, which by the way is the origin of the term gender, and in my oppinion its only proper use, no.

>>138729570
>talks shit about other languages that he does not understand

Steht ein Pilz im Wald. Kommt der Förster und trinkt es aus.
Warum stand das Pils im Wald? Weil die Tannen zapfen!

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>>138731279
blame it on the romans, they basically copied every aspect of greek culture.

If Alexander the Great had advanced into europe then our language would be more like the language of the glorious gods of olympus.

>>138730802
>I'm glad my language has pointless grammatical conventions that add nothing useful
>why would I ever want to convey information quickly and simply

>>138730398
>a mix of x and y

No, it wasn't

>more french with influences by high german

No, it isn't. Why the fuck do you people spout this retarded bullshit?

>>138731505
Finland has not been relevant since the Hyperwar

>>138731391
>WHAT THE FUCK IS THIS CANCER!?!?!

English during the middle ages, when the French influence is showing

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>>138727185
>english is french remastered
australia, never change

>>138731522
How horrrendous is this idea !

More seriously, gendered language, even if a bit retarded on the paper, enable more possible sentences and variations of the meaning, because you can play with it. I have yet to agree that it's a pain in the ass to learn

>>138731731
Is the wasted brain capacity of remembering the genders of inanimate objects offset by the potential for 'playing with genders'?

Can you also give an example, in French obviously, of 'playing with gender'?

>>138731604
>a mix of x and y
I said it sounds like that. If I did not pay attention I would just think it was some random Islaending speaking. That is what I mean by how it sounds like a mix.
>No, it isn't. Why the fuck do you people spout this retarded bullshit?
There is no doubt that French had a massive impact on the English language from 1100-1600 as most "advance" words in English are more or less just French with some Anglo spin. If you look at the more common and simple words they are more Germanic.


Also post with your damn colours you ultra faggot

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>>138731505
kunnioittaminen

>>138731386

German is spoken by >95 million native speakers and your argument would even be shit if German was spoken by a single person.

Let's face it: all your "proof" is in reality just your personal oppinion.

>>138731530
>He feels cocky all day with that hole in his pocket.

>>138732016
Was watching a German porno the other day, not one of them spoke German, despite it being a German-made porn vid.

>>138731186
Better have female table than mislead people into thinking that animals are all genderless.

>>138732135
But animals have gender in English.

>>138729330
The Hitch wrote a good essay on it.

https://www.vanityfair.com/culture/2011/05/hitchens-201105

>>138732211
Please archive
https://archive.is/RhR0G

>>138732245
Piss off

>>138732135
Animals have "hidden gender" in english. Every single time somebody asks about your cat, they say "what's HER name?". Same for dogs, it's always a "HE" until you check underneath. Some animals are "it" and most vehicles are "she". you can tell someone is a pervert when they call a car "he", or not a car-enthusiast when they say "it"

>>138732135
If the dog is a male, it's male. If the dog is a female, it's female. Whoa

>>138729384
It doesnt lose any semantic value with building these compound words.
Quite the opposite.
And cramming words together in anglo languagea doesnt make it a real Word.
My postes example is a real word which is used from out authorities. Though, not very often.

>>138732211
>The Hitch wrote a good essay on it.

There's one good reason to think it's all bullshit.

>>138732363
>and most vehicles are "she"

Whatever the reason, I find it pretty sexist and demeaning to women. Referring to an object as a “her” literally turns women into objects. As a woman who rebuilds and restores bicycles I can’t bring myself to call my restored bikes “her” since I am already a “her”. I tried referring to my bike as “him” but that sounded dumb too, so I went back to calling bikes “it” because it's the right pronoun for inanimate objects.

>>138732363
I think that is cultural because a lot of that doesn't apply in the USA.

>>138724378
>mandarin
>japanese

these language are primitive garbage languages not fit to be compared with glorious european languages.

>>138727708
eh bong that goes both ways. There are words in other languages that English do not have.
ill take a common one you might know since I heard that some bong hipsters know about it. The danish word "Hygge" cannot be translated to English. It can be explained in English (your so called workarounds) but there is not a singular word for it. Or take the danish word "ombudsman" which if I understand correctly you have just completely copy paste from danish into the English language. The bongs did that because the English language did not have a word for "Ombudsman".
There are many words like that in Danish, French, German and so on which are not present in English.

>>138732569
>literally turns women into objects
No, it doesn't.

> dumb
Nice try, Yank.

>>138732088
Were they speaking English or were they just not speaking at all?
This is a French Canadian porno but it also has an English version. The English version included a couple of shots that the french version didn't have, but it cut out any part where they were speaking. For some reason I guess they thought it would be a turn off for people to hear people speaking French in their supposedly English porno.

>>138731604
>I'm glad my language has pointless grammatical conventions that add nothing useful
That add precision and prevent misunderstanding.

>why would I ever want to convey information quickly and simply
Why would I ever want people to guess exactly what I said or wrote.

>>138730175
>Halvtredje
Interesting, we say something like this when talking about time of day

>>138732758
It wasn't dubbed or anything.
They were just speaking English with German accents.

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>>138732758
oops meant to post a screenshot of it

>>138732419
try me cunt
>eedon't lose no semval with all'eese compwordbuilds
>au contraire
>and wordcramming'n anglolangs's alexical
>my exampost's'n infrequent realworld-authorised word.

>>138732569
You don't get it because you're a straight woman. It's because it's an object you've put a lot of loving care and attention into.

>>138732765
Wow, I am really glad that my toothpaste is female, otherwise it might've turned me gay! No misunderstandings here!

>>138732569
I wish I could put this a less offensive way but "her" is for things that have uhhh ""piston cylinders"". and for cats cause they purr

>>138732637
> hygge
Cozy.

Of course, it works both ways. But the fact that English has words like 'nice' and 'awe', which are so fundamental to the language and to life itself, that being without them surely prevents non-natives from ever knowing of the concept.

Sapir-Whorf hypothesis: if a language doesn't have a word for something, can a person of that language actually experience it?

Can we all agree that Italian sounds the best? So eloquent and beautiful. I'm tempted to learn Italian just because of how it sounds.

>>138724378
>Be Anglo
>say "How are you doing?"
>people never know if you refer to a single person or a group

This is the retarded part of English.
Also
Past simple and Present perfect - this is fucking pointless, we got rid of it centuries ago.
Just like articles - a fucking cancer for every Slav.

>>138724378
Remember having a look at one of these "studies". The source of the numbers was a single text, where the Japanese translation was extremely formal.

>>138733047
Just learn Latin; better in every way.

>>138731236
jajaja
me doblo

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>>138731530
Hanz, kannst du bitte erklären der Witz auf Deutsch. Danke.

>>138732797
you do? Care to elaborate what you mean by "about time of day"?
In danish we say "halv fem" which means five plus a ½ = 5:30. Or we say "Kvart over to" which means 1/4 above two. So 2:15.
Is it the same in Russian?

>>138729670
That's the point I'm making. German just sticks tons of words together like that. Is it really a "new word" when it's just other words pushed together? Not really

>>138733077
If you ask "how are you?", and you're not obviously in the act of addressing the room, then it's safe to assume you're adressing a single person. Otherwise you would say "how are you all?"

>>138733077
You is referring to a single person, you all or y'all refer to a group

>>138733216
it's a grammatical rule stating that a space is optionally omitted after an adjective.

>>138733218
This.

>>138733077
>say "How are you doing?"
>people never know if you refer to a single person or a group
This has literally never happened, to anyone.

If you're in the company of a single person, then obviously 'you' means second person singular; if in the company of more than one, plural. If you're in the company of more than one person, and say 'How are you?', but meaning to only *one* person, then that's impolite.

The present perfect is actually the past perfect (hence the name 'perfect' or 'completed'). If an action began in the past but continued into the present or near-past, then use that. Like French, the simple past in English is less used than the perfect.

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>>138724378

English is obviously the best language. English is the first global lingua franca. English is the language of the future. English is the only language in the world that is an official language in countries on all six permanently inhabited continents. The English language has the most books, the most films, the most songs, the most science publications, the most web-sites, arguably the most speakers (ahead of even Mandarin if people who know only a few words of English are counted), it is the official language of both the sea (i.e. Seaspeak) and the sky (i.e. Airspeak) and it will someday become humanity's universal language of space (de jure or otherwise). English was also the first language spoken by humans on another world besides Earth (i.e. the Moon). Arabic, French, Russian, Spanish and Mandarin cannot compete with the linguistic leadership of English.

>>138733045
Hygge does NOT mean cozy. Its the most common translation I hear but its wrong as cozy is best translated to "behageligt" in Danish.
Its true that danish does not have a word for "sorry" or "nice" but for "awe" we do indeed have.

>>138733045
>can a person of that language actually experience it?
ofc they can but they will be unable to aptly express their feeling for said experience.
There is a reason certain languages have certain words and variations of certain words that other languages does not. Eskimos have many different words for "snow" and none of them means the same. Its pretty simple to understand why their language developed that way.

>>138724378
What's informational density?

How much information per sentence?

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>>138733526
hygge == gezellig.

do you know what "snug" means in english?

>>138732363
>Every single time somebody asks about your cat, they say "what's HER name?". Same for dogs, it's always a "HE" until you check underneath.

here in leafland most people just assume "he" first for any animal

>>138733733
>per sentence.

no, it's per second

>>138733836
Here in Florida, animals are "its" until the gender is known.

>>138733699
That's my entire point though. If a language like French lacks the word 'nice', then *nothing is nice*, but simply shades of meaning around 'good' or 'pleasant'.

So the fact remains: some languages are more expressive, with a wider vocabulary to express the massive range of emotions, feelings, sentiments, and flavours of life.

English does relatively well to express all these nuances of life; other languages *cough*French*cough* do not.

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>>138733218
>>138733285
>>138733501
The problem with English is that it is an extremely context-dependent language, but at least you don't have cases

>>138733733
It's how much meaning can be conveyed in a certain amount of time.

Think about a language like Spanish, with a bunch of long multi-syllable words strung together to convey the meaning that one small english word might have.

>>138733111

Latin sounds badass but has no practical value unless you wanna chat with the Pope or something.

>>138729609
He's right though. A good language conveys a lot of information without much time or energy being expended. Note, the 'energy being expended' part, that includes mental energy or 'thinking'.

>>138733740
who wrote that crap? Hygge implies safety from danger and it something you can only experience went said danger is quite close. For instance during a blizzard but you are safe and warm in a shelter. Or something along those lines. Hygge also means reflection and a sense of memory lane back to before there was even a concept of danger.
>>138733750
>do you know what "snug" means in english?
yes ofc.
>gezellig
not an English word but a dutch one. Its quite close to Hyggeligt but not quite.

Here's an old Russian tale about it, long story short — during WWII there were studies on how long it takes for tank crews to communicate in combat situations. English-speaking crew did turn out the most efficient, BUT in the difficult situations Russian crews would outmatch all of them by switching to swearing
>Enemy infantry spotted, two o'clock!
>SUKA PIDOR NA DVA CHASA!

>>138733526
>Its true that danish does not have a word for "sorry" or "nice"
That depends upon the context.

>[I'm] sorry (expression of regret or sympathy)
Undskyld
Beklager

>nice (describing a contextual positive quality)
Rart
Tjekket
Pæn

>>138734107
English does have cases: nominative, accusative, and genitive.

> whose brother hit whom?
This has all three of them.

Yes, most English words do not decline for case, but that does not mean that the cases themselves do not exist.

>>138728630
>Highest IQ
Firstly, are difficult languages produced by high IQ people, or does the difficulty of a language produce a higher IQ individual.

Because, if it's the latter, is Newton, Maxwell, Boyle, etc. retarded?

>>138732999
Train.

>>138728942
Africans speaking French is both cringy and hilarious to hear desu

>>138734255
Enemy - at two

Just because you Russians have no discipline doesn't mean your language is better.

>>138734069
I find that this is true of many of the romance languages in general. They seem to all have a very limited and shallow vocabulary when it comes to expressing subtle layers of emotion and meaning. It's not like English where there can be dozens of words that all technically mean one thing, but each one has a slightly different connotation and subtle difference in meaning

>>138734209
Sanctuary, with some meaning of nostalgia.

>>138734147
That's informational rate. Densities to do with spatial parameters, as opposed to time.

This spatial parameter could be the length of a sentence or the length of a word.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GiVs05yq9-o

Relevant video

>>138734069
I never defended French as I do not speak it and I never will.
However you claimed earlier that English was the be all of languages. I just disagree with that part.
If it comes to Danish vs English then English have way more words that people internationally can understand and use to express themselves. Danish is more like Kalaallisut (the language of the Eskimos) in that regard. Its a more isolated language than English.
However English is not just superior in all aspects. In some doubtfully yes but in others its woefully lacking.

>>138734069
>If a language like French lacks the word 'nice'

>what is 'gentil'

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>>138734209
> safe and warm in a shelter
Definitely 'cozy' or 'snug'.

Until a few years ago, pubs used to have little, secluded areas where you could go, sit next to a fire, in peace and quit; called 'snugs'.

>>138734434
WOAH
That was rude

>>138724378
>>138724449
this is neat, but a source would be nice.

>>138733843
Are you serious?

Why is informational rate different to informational density then?

>>138734383
That's not a complete sentence!

>>138734107
We do have cases; just not very many. However, it just means that in English, word order matters a lot more, whereas in heavily-inflected languages like Latin and Polish, you can pretty much shuffle the words around in any order, because the meaning comes from the inflections instead of the order.

>>138733285
>y'all

cringe as fuck, not a real word just a southern state invention and co-opted by SJWs

>>138724378

The most efficient language would be an artificial one (like Esperanto), not a natural one.

Before we can create one, we need to establish a single world government with a single currency and set of laws. I guess English could be used as a base or secondary since almost everyone speaks it, then transition to something better.

>>138724378
C++ is faster

I've always had that idea. The way English is formed seems so much more "fluid" than other languages that seem static and robotic in a way.

It makes sense though. If you plan to colonize the world, you'll likely want a language that can represent a vast amount of ideas from many different cultures. English can grow because it's already an amalgamation of other languages.

>>138726534
whenever I see a Frenchman pursing his lips so he can speak in his ridiculous language I just want to punch him in the face

as for you remark about poetry, just read Shakespeare or Kipling or literally hundreds of English writing poets, England is known for it's hundreds of authors and poets

yes I agree

>>138734345
This is almost forgivable and intuitive, meanwhile declination of "to have":

present
ja mam
ty masz
on/ona/ono ma
my mamy
wy macie
oni/one mają

past
ja (m)miałem
ja (f)miałam
ty (m)miałeś
ty (f)miałaś
on miał
ona miała
ono miało
my (m)mieliśmy
my (f)miałyśmy
wy (m)mieliście
wy (f)miałyście
oni mieli
one miały

future
ja (m)będę miał
ja (f)będę miała
ty (m)będziesz miał
ty (f)będziesz miała
on będzie miał
ona będzie miała
ono będzie miało
my (m)będziemy mieli
my (f)będziemy miały
wy (m)będziecie mieli
wy (f)będziecie miały
oni będą mieli
one będą miały

assumption (I would...)
ja (m)miałbym
ja (f)miałabym
ty (m)miałbyś
ty (f)miałabyś
on miałby
ona miałaby
ono miałoby
my (m)mielibyśmy
my (f)miałybyśmy
wy (m)mielibyście
wy (f)miałybyście
oni mieliby
one miałyby

command
ty miej!
on/ona/ono niech ma!
my miejmy!
wy miejcie!
oni/one niech mają!

and with nouns it is not much better

>>138734680
>not a real word
No shit. It's a contraction, just like can't, didn't, and won't aren't real words either.

>>138733513
>who is Yuri Gagarin?

>>138726534
Die you froggy cunt.

>>138729384
You do not understand and maybe you cannot understand.

He is using a ridiculous example. What you are doing is putting words together, but it does not work like this in german. To take your example:
A "communist anarchist antifa faggot" would be virtually the same as a "anarchist communist antifa faggot" or an "antifa anarchist faggot communist".
This does not work in german.

Let's take "öffentlicher Personennahverkehr" (it means something similar to "public transport" but not exactly the same). Nahpersonenverkehr and Nahverkehrpersonen would mean something totally different (if they existed).

So please do not pretend to be an expert on languages that you don't speak.

>>138734904
>forgivable
forgettable
fucking hell

>>138734741

English is the world's first global lingua franca.

>>138734310
by "sorry" I meant the filler word the English use even when they are not really "sorry". That is not something we have in danish.
as for "nice" we do not have a single word for that but use different ones according to the specific situation.
>>138734440
that is actually quite close. As I said you can explain it in English but you do not have a word for it.
>>138734578
Still a bit off but my point was that you do not a have a single word for it in English.

>>138729564
Your use of irony is superb.

>>138734675
This

Note that Mandarin is more analytical (ordering matters) than English and it has a higher informational density and a similar informational rate.

Analytical languages are better for conveying information.

It's also important to notice that synthetic languages have more morphemes/syllables per word.

>>138734918

He was the first human in space (and congrats to him), but he wasn't the first human on the Moon (which was my point all along). So my point still stands.

>>138734680
>cringe
Not when it's used by everyone to the point where "you all" becomes cringe. Also, "Y'all'd've" is actually used here unironically.

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>>138734656
Too late.

>>138734906
You can't call it an English word when it's specific to the Southern US dialect

>>138728369
>when your language's grammar is so clumsy, that you have to keep utterances short and rely on context only
>efficient

>>138733156
>In danish we say "halv fem" which means five plus a ½ = 5:30. Or we say "Kvart over to" which means 1/4 above two. So 2:15.
Is it the same in Russian?

There are two systems: one similar to the first you described, but usually subtracting from the first number. I.e. 'pol (half) shestogo (of sixth hour)' = 5:30, and the second is simply saying numbers (2 (chasa/hours), 15 (minut/minutes).

>>138735037

Mandarin is fucked though, because saying the same syllable in a different tone changes the meaning of that syllable. English doesn't have to deal with that bullshit. English also doesn't have to deal with the bullshit of grammatical gender.

>>138735003
Sanctuary is the word that describes what you are describing, but it seems that your word can be used in other ways that sancturary can't really as it has holy connotations that I think your word lacks (though it can be used in its own way). Nostaligia is the word that describes the other way you are using the word.

English is so great that people in foreign nations simply abandon their mother tongue to speak English.

>>138724378
https://twitter.com/TrumInTheNorth/status/899793901724336130

>>138734930
But it IS true that a lot of these large "unique" german words just fill the same role that multiple smaller words have in other languages, no?

For example, Obergruppenführer just means "Upper Group Leader". If German worked like English, you'd just call it "Ober Gruppen Führer" instead of "Obergruppenführer".

The point I'm making is that the distinction is fairly arbitrary. It doesn't actually make a real difference

>>138724378
What is the difference between information density and information rate? Why does Vietnamese have higher information density?

>>138729468
>>138730826
It's even faster with your tricks.
Onze trente trois
Three syllables.

>>138735326

English is the money language, that's why.

>>138735190
Also second system is what used for 24h. You cannot say 'half of 23rd', but can '22 30'.

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>>138732854
Australian bantz are getting worse and worse

>>138735196
That's a different issue. You can be an analytical language without tone. It's just that they interpret tones in the same way that we interpret different vowels. They hear them as different and distinct.

To use a counter-example, it's like how japs can't tell the difference between R and L. We can hear the difference perfectly fine, because we're trainined to hear it, but they aren't. Same way with how we can't interpret the tones right without training, because we're not used to that.

Although I DO have to wonder how singing works in tonal languages like Mandarin. Because theoretically, if you sing a word in a certain part of the song, then it would lose its meaning unless the song just so happens to match the right tone?

>>138724378
Unironically I have found Mandarin to be the most efficient language (spoken only).

>>138729733
"Lindsey informed Jessica that she had [been] diagnosed with cancer".
The 'had' means Lindsey used to have cancer, so Lindsey.

>>138735262
as I said I thought you got very close by combining bot sanctuary and nostalgia. It is true that sanctuary have an almost church-like ring to it that hygge does not have.
English actually have a word that stems from the same line as hygge. Hug.

>>138735262
Funny thing is, Nostalgia is a Greek word and Sanctuary is French (actually Latin).

>>138735326
I love how Europoors act like they're so great for being able to speak multiple languages. Meanwhile, I don't need to give a single fuck, because everyone else has to learn MY language, and I don't need to learn theirs.

>>138724801
Yes because soixante-dix is so much better than seventy.

>>138735377
more info per word but words come out slower, i guess

>>138728630

Ebonics isn't English.

>>138729733

Lindsey had cancer. What is context, Krautfag?

>>138735190
yeah the 24 hour system is used in Denmark as well. Then we just say the numbers like you do but its a more modern thing introduced with the globalization.

>>138725702
Our numbers are spelled backwards. Shut up, nigger. No efficiency here.

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>>138735675
>MY language

Citation needed, Jamal DePacoberg the 5th

>>138729733
This is a loaded question. You're deliberately trying to set up a sentence to be purposefully ambiguous. There are dozens of different ways the meaning could be conveyed to clarify.

>>138735625
>>138735625
Lindsey (mother) just heard from the doctor that the doctor had diagnosed Jessica with cancer

>>138735675
And you have the English to thank

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>>138735861
umm no sweetie. English was brought by saxon MIGRANTS who blessed Britain with vibrant diversity. Diversity is our strength. Refugees welcome.

>>138729733
to me it just looks like its missing a comma. But my knowledge of English grammar is rudimentary at best

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>>138733513
>English is the first global lingua franca

"efficient "

>>138729733
Also, it's obvious even from this vague statement that Lindsey had cancer.

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>>138736103
Yeah, those 20 syllable words are so efficient, Hans.

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>>138735675
>he thinks northern Europeans learn American muttrish and not English
its colour not color you utter cunt

>>138735196
>Mandarin is fucked though
Can confirm.

https://youtu.be/9jtiw721RAg

>>138735675
>learn MY language
In Russia we learn language of funny island people with bad teeth.
Never heard of American language.

>>138735673
Yeah, English is good at that. Any time a useful word comes along that describes something that English can't, we just steal the word. Happens all the time. Tsunami for example is a Japanese word, but it's now an English one too because "tidal wave" does not describe the same thing.

>>138729384

The correct combined form of 'communist anarchist antifa faggot' in English would be something like 'anarchocommunistantifafaggot'.

>>138729502
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Huit mille huit cent quatre-vingt huit: 8 syllables.

eight thousands eight hundreds and eighty eight : 11 syllables.

eighty eight hundreds eighty eight : 8 syllables. But in that case: octante cent octante huit: 6 syllables!

>>138731028
How is it harder to incorporate a new word in French than in English? Are you retarded? Circonflexes have their uses.

>>138736204
Then why does my computer correct "colour" to color? Bongs btfo

>>138736000
It wasn't though. Modern english has only been around since the 1700s.

>>138736311
Well, we do it too.

>>138736158
Wow, it's almost like google translate isn't perfect.

Besides we have different economic schools like marxist, Keynesian, neo-liberal, statist, etc. We don't need to add economics at the end though, as it's typically implied (by context) to be referring to economics.