Help debate a commie

Ask him what motivation there is when equality is forced.

>>138662805
Remind him about gulag.

Since the entire argument is based on materialism make a claim that only the ideal is real and he will crack up.

>implying it is
Late stage capitalism is literally the cause of everything shitty post NAFTA

>>138662805
Ask him if he'd rather live in east Germany or west Germany, or North Korea or South Korea

ask him if you can buy something he has

Recommend some literature. F.A. Hayek does it justice in 'The Road to Serfdom'. Dostoevsky has also described the flaws to socialism mainly as abritrary rule. He'll show him Animal Farm if he's a simpleton.

There are some wonderful writers whomst'd've lived through communism in practice that will explain that this only exists under a leader.

>>138662805
If you can't be bothered to read the history and literature, you don't deserve to "destroy" anyone in a debate. Do your homework, you fucker.

>>138665018
>willingly subjecting one to possible bluepills
nah

>>138662805
save yourself some time and stop being a capitalist, because you're wrong.

>>138662805
>From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs
The state controls what you are able to do and what you need. This makes people very hungry.

>>138663905
That was my first arguement

>>138665353
Yes, how did he respond?

One of the most annoying things about Marxists is how their ideology seems to change depending on their feelings and emotions, it's extremely inconsistent because Marxism has some serious flaws.

>>138662805
fuck the debate,strip him naked and fuck his brains out to prove vital superiority

>>138665177
All market regulations are ideologically socialism, the notion of a gubberment dictating things like alcohol tax and whether or not weed is legal comes directly from socialism.

Using fiat currency is also a socialist idea, same with corporate bail outs and the Fed controlling interest rates. Also companies can be shut down over night by changing regulations.

Free market capitalism doesn't allow this, so any failings in our current global system is 100% the fault of socialism. So what your friend actually wants is changes to our current flavour or socialism to favour his demographic.

Thats basically how it is, we're already in the Commie utopia now.

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>>138662805

>>138665761

>All market regulations are ideologically socialism

Capitalism is as artificial an economic structure as socialism is. The chief difference being that capitalism functions and socialism doesn't.

>>138665177
Why? Are your beliefs so weak that you fear being converted?
t. former Obama liberal faggot

>>138662805
Ask him how well Communist countries are doing these days. And just how Communist they are.

>>138662805
Point at Chile and Venezuela and the contrasts between the two.

>m-muh not real cuckmunism!

If he responds that kick him in the dick and evaluate your life to find out how you ended up with such fag friends.

>I don't believe in private property, I believe in personal property

>>138666210
His friend will just argue that the west did everything they could to destroy commie states, it wasn't fair, due to this it never had a chance to "be real communism".

>>138662805
Ask him to define communism
Then define socialism
Then left wing nationalism
Then bolshevik

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>>138662805
If he's a communist it's simple. Turn him into the police as a possible terrorist.

Ask him where the demand for equality ends. How does he plan to stop the government from going to war with its own citizens?

>>138662805
With fire.

>>138662805
>friend is a commie
Quit wasting your time and ours. He is hopelessly lost. The only way to prove to them their system fails is when they get their first real job....and see what is really taken in taxes. I have 3 dependents, and I get raped for 34%.

If that don't make you say that enough is being taken, I don't know what will.

>>138662805
Being an ancap, debating strength of you ideology is approximately hundred million times weaker than Marxism.

>>138662805
Commies aren't people

Kill him head shot
Like the nazeees did

>>138666056
True, in the lack of any state nannying us and protecting us from ourselves we revert to honest trade. It seems to be how our brains are wired, we definitely aren't wired to bring random's from other countries over and give them free shit.

Btc will hopefully kill fiat currency, that'll end this fucking mess our dictators have created.

Govern ment, ment is Latin for mind.

>>138666653
Cos Jews invented communism to control everything and justify it with semantics?

>>138662805
Ask him how globalism and open borders benefit the worker

>>138662805
>How does /pol/ want me to destroy him

Start reading voraciously from solid, academic sources. Quit reading the bathroom wall on pol. Educate yourself to the point that you can defend your opinions.

>>138662805
How about you lefty pol faggots fuck off.

>>138666945
What does that have to do with communism?

>>138666455

LOL

>>138662805

Redpill him on the following facts:

- Marx was married into and worked as an agent of wealthy international financiers
- He was literally a Satanist who hated God and most of his fellow men, even the ones who worked with him. He was an insane asshole. Many of his personal letters are not widely published because he was such an asshole.

- Marx, Trotsky were both journalist spooks for international financiers.

- The leadership of Russian Bolshevism were predominantly Jewish and the purpose of the movement was to murder many many Orthodox Slavs due to race hatred almost a millennium old (Khazar Jews and Slavs treated each other like shit for a long time before 1900s).

- Stalin, Tito, Freud, Trotsky all were spooks who hung out at the same spook coffeehouses in the early 1900s. Nothing about the movement was organically Russian.

- Marxism ultimately was an ideology to subvert and destabilize countries. It is not a coherent or at all moral political philosophy, because it was never intended to be.

- Marx's job was to deflect anger and popular uprisings away from the international monied elites and towards smaller boogie men in various countries caught up with socialist fervor.

Socialism and Communism have murderous origins and they aren't even good ideas in theory.

>>138667278
Nothing lol, which is why I can't help but laugh whenever commies are for open borders
Never saw one who was vocally against them

>>138662805
61,911,000 Murdered: The Soviet Gulag State
35,236,000 Murdered: The Communist Chinese Ant Hill
20,946,000 Murdered: The Nazi Genocide State
10,214,000 Murdered: The Depraved Nationalist Regime
5,964,000 Murdered: Japan's Savage Military
2,035,000 Murdered: The Khmer Rouge Hell State
1,883,000 Murdered: Turkey's Genocidal Purges
communism is by far the most successful ideology in getting rid of people
perhaps thats why its roots are always funded by (((them)))

>>138662805
Put him and his commie friends in a field surrounded by barbed wire, armed guards present. Deny them water; let them die of thirst. This method was used on the Eastern Front.

>>138662805
Tell him that communism causes exploitation and economic inequality and that only free market capitalism can fix those issues.

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>>138662805
Rent a helicopter.

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>>138667598

>MAH GORRILION

>>138662805
Just do a recollection of XX century history

Communism is minorities' sight. If your friend is a commie, I think he/she is a minority in your country. He/she can be nigger in white land or jew in a christian country. Economical reasons for supporting communism are full of bullshit. They want to control all economy with this due to subsidize their minorty community easily. You could have treat him like a traitor.

>>138662805
Ask him how many communist societies have resulted in a happy and free lower-middle class.

>>138662805
Capitalism builds walls to keep people out.

Communism builds walls to keep people in.

>>138662805
He'll claim Capitalism is evil. Ask him about the Communist death toll. He'll most likely blame Capitalism for it. Ask him why he believes Communism can be achieved if great minds like Lenin, Marx, Mao, and Stalin couldn't achieve it or decided to be Capitalist instead.

Also ask him how civilian genocide in the name of Nazism is evil if Communism also justifies civilian genocide.

>>138665018
>Do your homework
>OP is here asking for advice, possibly as part of his "homework"
>You turn him away
???
>>138665177
>B-but he'll turn into a commie without us guiding him, anon!
???
>>138666100
Same. Argument is essential. The left's refusal to engage in argument on any front was what first red pilled me. Then seeing Obama change virtually nothing and spend 3+ years slamming his head into a wall because he couldn't pass one fucking healthcare law... It only took the DNC rigging the primary against Bernie for me to hop on the Trump train and I've been on the front lines of this memewar since mid '16.

>Nazis: Commies aren't people
>Commies: Nazis aren't people
>The center: Pretty sure the only people that stop being people are the ones that dehumanize others.
>Islam and Jews: Only our lives matter.

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>>138662805
>communism
>capitalism
>relevant under managerialism
get out of the 1800s you faggots

>>138667315
>- Marx's job was to deflect anger and popular uprisings away from the international monied elites and towards smaller boogie men
but isn't the point of marxism to topple the rich? Odd deflection, how can they be sure that the revolutionaries stop at the small fry? Or would they be too weak to touch the real global elites anyways?
Wouldn't racism be a better diversion then?

>>138671158
It's a sad thing, not funny at all, but all those people are fucking dying.

Get him to define what policies must be in place before he will say that an official attempt at communism has occurred. You must get him to commit to a position. Otherwise he will forever say the thing you're attacking is not the real communism.
Then realize that all government policies, indeed all executive and administrative decisions, involve empirical predictions: 'If we do X, Y will follow: on the other hand if we want to achieve B we must do A.' Government policies are to be analyzed in the same way as a scientific hypothesis is to be analyzed. A policy is a hypothesis which must be tested against reality and corrected in the light of experience.
Who administers the policies? How are the policies enforced?
Don't let him get away with comparing the utopia in his head with the existing state of affairs in the world. His mental utopia will always win.
It doesn't matter how noble his aims are. If the policies he desires produce a negative outcome (due to unintended consequences) then his good intentions are irrelevant.

>>138662805
Do some research into how well Chile and Indonesia did under right wing dictatorships. So long as a right wind dictatorship does not go to war with another country it does rather well.

Also, review how Iran was about to have a communist revolution and went full Sharia to have some stability. Likewise, when the USSR invaded Afghanistan they went full Sharia to avoid communism.

If the commies keep pushing things the United States is going to have a interim period of Christian Fundamentalism before it goes communist.

>>138662805
You can't win. Capitalism is the worst idea in history, even worse than communism.

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>>138662805
I don't know nearly enough about economics to make an argument there, but my gripes about Communism are moral and philosophical.

Communism envisions a future without:
>Family
>Religion
>Struggle
>Individuality

To me, this seems like a departure from the human condition which is something that I just cannot stand behind. You could write paragraphs on each of those points if you wanted to.

>>138666052
Fuck dood that was good

>>138667440
Economic immigration shouldn't be a thing under communism. Capitalism causes more mass migration

>>138670927
>The left's refusal to engage in argument on any front was what first red pilled me.
Same here m80. I was pretty left, semi commie until highschool, with the hard exception of upholding the first and second amendment no matter what.
Their attacks on the second I could deal with and disagree, the first had me totally against them instantly, along with Obama signing the NDAA and extending the Patriot act. I saw that as an act of better to the US, and ended up apologising to my dad over our political arguments.

>>138662805
Well for starters, there's no such thing as a post-scarcity society. I mean just look at the Kardeshev Scale, it isn't built around stopping consumption once everybody has enough. Once supply is increased, intake increases as well until supply dwindles. When you have extra money for weed, you just smoke twice as much.

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>>138674553
I got a few of those.

>>138664031
literally murderously underrated.

>>138662805
Defriend him. Seriously. You can't trust somebody who doesn't believe in personal property. And if you can't trust him, he can't be your friend.

>>138662805
both are shit

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>>138662805
>nordic socialism
they got ritch by free trade and capitalism now every company left or bankrupted becouse of high moreover dodging taxes is a national sport in sweden
>socialism leeds to communism or free market since voulontary socialism lasts for so long, people are selfish. socialism to sustain itself would need to put a gun to your head and take away a hudge if not all what you have worked for or convert to capitalism
>muh corporations
created and protected by big govement
>1% of people owns 90% of goods
not the same people, from ritches to rags in 3 generations. succes makes you more likely to succeed and failure to fail, succes grows expenationaly but everything eventually gets too big and colapses "too big to fail" is a lie
>in socialism workers have control over the means of production or wathever
in capitalism they alredy do. anyone can work for anyone, nobody forces you to work for a dick and people dont have to buy products of a firm of some dick. "you vote with your wallet" and also how are you going to acomplish it?
>capitalis = freedom
>israel is our greatest ally

>>poor person wants socialism
>lmao you just want gibs
>>rich person wants socialism
>wow what a hypocrite

nice arguments

The true answer is to abolish wealth. The distribution of wealth is what everyone fights over, no wealth, no problem.

>>138671434
nice picture that has been debunked a million fucking times

>>138675035
I had friends and family block me because I "didn't vote for her". No joke.

>>138675035
>>138677684
*Betrayal
I didn't lost any family, but I've been debating with some old friends and my ex ("woman in tech") about it. Thankfully they are actually open to debate.