What makes Natsoc socialism different from normal socialism?

>>138653077
Native Populism

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What makes an electric chair different than normal chair

it still has property rights and isn't as central planned

it's more of a interventionist economic model than a heavily centrally planned one, although it can turn into one if needed, like during war times

>>138653077
look where socialism transitions to marxism. that's where national socialism forks off to protect its culture rather than destroy it

Commies sought to destroy the idea of self, and the state owed nothing to the people.

NatSocs considered the state to be a vessel for the race, a means in achieving a better humankind.

Economically, they were somewhat different, but both emphasized state power.

Hitler lamented the marxists for identifying the way poor working conditions were destroying the soul of men, ruining their lives. However, he saw the way they used the strike as a weapon to gain power, which wound up making the lives of the worker even worse.

Improving working conditions (and kicking out international finance) was a way to improve the race, thus making Nazi Germany one of the most popular regimes in human history while it lasted.

>>138653077
Nothing, they're both collectivists.

>>138653077
Losing wars

>>138653077
Very little, and nothing meaningful. Under NatSoc, private individuals may nominally "own" the MoP, but the government controls if/what can be produced. Under Socialism, the government just owns the MoP. Thus, they are both anti-freedom ideologies that never fail to destroy countries that practice them.

>>138653667
so do they both believe in redistrubution or no?

>>138653077
A masculine animating myth as a higher purpose.

Also if someone wants to join in, can't be bothered to make a thread
http://poldare.com

>>138653077
It's not based off of class warfare. It's aim is unite the nation's main ethnic group

>>138653077
One discriminates on the basis of income, the other discriminates on both income and race. Apart from that it's the same, even down to the ussless idiots shilling for them.

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>>138653919
>literally called national SOCIALISTS

>>138654268
yes but they say "we're not marxists"

>>138653077
it follows Prussian socialism which is closer to fascist corporatism than it is to Marxist socialism

>>138654350
>not true socialism
lmao

commie mouth blocked off. therefore he cant eat.
accurate

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>>138653077

the word national

regressive leftism is for useful idiots

>>138654888
Checked

Kek is wise

>>138653077
national socialism is class collaboration
marxist socialism is class struggle

>>138653077
What you fail to understand is that despite the world wars, the only reason Hitler REMAINED in power, is because he truly excercised politics that benefited the people native to their own country AND benefited the WORKING CLASS.

>>138653077
Basically socialism directed to one ethnic group/race.

>>138654888
>trusting the word of literally Hitler

>>138653919
You'd be surprised how stable and cordial an economy can be without jews.

>>138655443
Which he also did that without heavily antagonizing other parts of society, like farmers and business owners, the type of people that get exploited into destruction in Socialist/Communist countries.

>>138653930
How big is poldare?

>What's really difference between Communism and National Socialism?
To name a few:
>NS - nationalism based on race, not internationalism based on "class"
>Communism - race doesn't exist, workers of the world must rule over all other classes, dictatorship of the proletariat
>NS - Christianity is the official state religion
>Communism - atheism is the state religion
>NS - economic inequality is permitted, the race and nation are one
>Communism - class war, inequality is punished, kulaks must die
>NS - private property is encouraged, producer capitalism is favored, international finance is forbidden
>Communism - private property forbidden, without loans from international bankers communism would never have started or existed for long
>NS - race is real, gender difference is real, women should be mothers before being laborers, marriage is the foundation of society
>Communism - marriage non-existent, women are "equal" laborers to men, communal parenting, polyamory, degeneracy
>NS - the state sells off all its holdings in industry to private corporations
>Communism - all industries are taken and run by the state, through jewish party bosses who suck Glorious Leader's dick

>>138656290
>regressive leftism is for useful idiots
Not big enough to get connected to someone instantly, most of the time (sadly).

>>138656429
Sorry, meant for >>138656290

>"National Socialism is just (((socialism)))"

Marxist (Left) socialism and National (Right) Socialism are "antipodal zeitgeists engaged in dialectic". That's a fancy way to say they're opposite ideologies designed to clash, like Yin and Yang.

NatSoc was fundamentally an ideology built around race, while Marxist socialism was entirely different: built around class. Hitler aimed to unite the right and left, including workers and their bosses, into a new German nation based on racial identity. Socialism, in contrast, was a class war between workers, bosses, and owners (Capitalists), aiming to build a workers state in which race and gender were insignificant. Socialists, especially Marxist socialists, were anti-religious atheists, whereas NatSoc went so far as to make Christianity the religion of the state.

The differences go on and on: Marxist socialism was internationalist, NatSoc was nationalist. Marxist socialism was egalitarian, whereas NatSoc believed that nature was unequal and required competition. Marxist socialism wanted to nationalize all private industry, while NatSoc privatized every major industry except the railroads (it considered these a military asset. In fact, Hitler once joked "they didn't need to nationalize property because they nationalized people". NatSoc drew on a range of pan-German theories, which wanted to blend Aryan workers and Aryan magnates into a super Aryan state, which would involve the eradication of class-focused socialism as a non-German ideology.

NatSoc redefined socialism as "Germanism/Volkism", which they saw as "producer-oriented capitalism", as opposed to "Jewish capitalism", aka, international finance, globalism, wall street, etc. In theory, NatSoc economics was a version of Keynesianism, tailored to the Völkisch nature of whichever people adopted it.

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>>138656491
Its not one dogmatic economic system,and Hitler often joked that the lack of a specific ideology was their strength. NatSoc could be more "free market" as Americans know it, or less. But NatSoc is always in favor of the Volk over economic identity, of "producer capitalism" over "finance capitalism".

Hitler tried to clarify the distinction in 1938:
>“’Socialist’ I define from the word ‘social’ meaning in the main ‘social equity’. A Socialist is one who serves the common good without giving up his individuality or personality or the product of his personal efficiency.
>Our adopted term ‘Socialist has nothing to do with Marxian Socialism. ((((Marxism))) is anti-property; true socialism is not. ((((Marxism))) places no value on the individual, or individual effort, of efficiency; true Socialism values the individual and encourages him in individual efficiency, at the same time holding that his interests as an individual must be in consonance with those of the community. All great inventions, discoveries, achievements were first the product of an individual brain. It is charged against me that I am against property, that I am an atheist. Both charges are false.”

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>>138653077
>socialism
>normal

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>>138655700
good goyim

>>138653420
UNDERKEK'D

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Daily reminder that the ones who say that National socialism is socialism are shills or stupid rednecks that when they see the word "socialism" start autistic screeching without know anything about natsoc economics or social structure