This is fine to buy in Austria

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>>138621720
Pic related guns are available free for everyone aged 18 and above. Austria also has gun ranges to shoot your guns.

In switzerland you basicly can buy bolt action rifles and breach loaders just like that as well (as long you dont have a criminal record), for everything else you dont need a license but a "permit" for each firearm you want to buy, it cant be denied and you dont need a test or anything.

Also you got to keep your service rifle at home, CC is a nono

>>138622211
>for everything else you dont need a license but a "permit" for each firearm you want to buy, it cant be denied and you dont need a test or anything.
Do you have a link for that? I thought Switzerland has adopted the minimum EU standards (which Austria has also adopted), i.e. requiring people to do the Waffenbefaehrungstest and psych check for anything outside of bolt action rifles / breach loaders except for hunters, who can buy anything outright without any checks whatsoever.

>>138622441
https://suisse-epolice.ch/epolice/epolice/Waffenerwerb.html
https://www.waffenmarti.ch/shop/waffenerwerb/waffenerwerb-wegleitung-waffenerwerbsschein.html

No need for a test for owning (carrying and selling is a different issue tho)

>>138623138
Thanks, interesting. I always thought it is just easier in Switzerland to get the hunting license / gun club license - I did not know that you can just buy 3 firearms by just getting the Waffenerwerbsschein.

What happens if you want more than 3 guns?

>>138624014
You need another Waffenerwerbsschein.

Thing is that getting a sporting or hunting license is faster on the longer watch then applying for each 3 guns depending on where you are

>>138621720
So you can have 308 but not 7.62 NATO? They're the same thing. Same with 223 and 5.56. Is this another case of governments not being very well educated on guns? You also mention you can't own "pump guns". Why would this be?

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We can buy same guns as Americans but for permit you have to be part of hunting club or some reservist group. We had much relaxed gun control back in 90's but social-democrats fucked us over. My dad still has CCW. I hope Mestari Halla-aho will relax gun control when he is elected as PM. He likes guns and had media screeching autistic maximus when he wondered how it would feel like to shoot a homo in the head.

>>138625466
Gun rights stand and fall with CC, i envy your old man

>>138625383
I was waiting for someone to say this, does that mean I can buy rounds labeled .308 or .223 so long as they dont specify NATO on it?

>>138625383
>So you can have 308 but not 7.62 NATO? They're the same thing.

Yes, because 7.62 is "war ammo" while they think .17, .22, .223, .308 etc. is not. It is weird.

>>138621720
What's it take to qualify and how much tax do you pay?

What are restrictions on liscening ?

Where I live anyone over 18 can buy that for cash from another private citizen

No liscence, no tax, no background check, no registry, no state sanctioned stores.

Cash

>>138625383
>You also mention you can't own "pump guns". Why would this be?
Someone in the ministry watched too much Terminator 1 in the 1980s (Arnie is a big hero here in Austria). And they feature a "pump gun" which looks "very dangerous". So they outlawed it in the 1980s.

Not even kidding, it was really outlawed after Terminator 1 got out.

>>138621720
i could get a farming or hunting rifle, but that's really about it. protection isn't a valid reason to get a gun in this country, you gotta be a farmer or hunter or something to get one.

>>138628151
Its funny how it seems the ones that know damn near the least about guns get to legislate them.

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>>138627757
>I can buy rounds labeled .308 or .223 so long as they dont specify NATO on it?
Yes, pretty much. Look at pic related, that is perfectly fine. It doesn't say NATO on it, does it?

>>138628382
Even funnier is 6.5 creedmoor is essentially target .308 and .308 is civillian 7.62x51 NATO.

>>138628020
>What's it take to qualify and how much tax do you pay?
for a hunting license - you need to pass a test. Mostly about how to kill prey and then how to correctly take out the organs and how to handle your rifle and pistols. It is very locally driven, if you have roots in the community, you just get the hunting license when you are 18 or 21 (depending on the district). There is no tax, just some stamp fee.

>>138628020
>What are restrictions on liscening ?
Criminal convictions are a no no, age 21 or 18. For hunting license look above. for gun club license, they also need a written form signed by a psychologist that you are not currently treated for psychosis.

>>138628020
>Where I live anyone over 18 can buy that for cash from another private citizen
Same here in Austria. But you need that little card (hunter or gun club member). You don't need the card for manual loaded rifles.

>>138628020
>No liscence, no tax, no background check, no registry, no state sanctioned stores.
Doesn't this depend on your state? Like in NY, they got pretty bad gun control laws with background checks, cool off periods, outlawing carrying of guns etc.?

>>138628724
Aren't most .308 loads more powerful than bulk 7.62x51?

>>138628352
>Its funny how it seems the ones that know damn near the least about guns get to legislate them.
It is not really a law, but a regulation. The ministry can specify which guns they want to outlaw - and well, someone thought a pump gun and any gun with 7.62 NATO ammo is bad.

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>>138621720
>weapon ownership license

>>138628770
Yes it does everything in the USA is dependent on the state

Mine has almost no restrictions on guns

Peope literally pay to keep and shoot guns in this states that are illegal in their home states

Remember that it's not just about buying guns. It's a whole package. You gotta know if the laws in your country allow you to carry them in public, or concealed carry. And also look up your self defense laws, make sure you will not get screwed over when Achmed breaks into your house and you plug him full of buckshot.

>>138628857
Likely so seeing as how .308 is more a good standard hunting round while 7.62 NATO is for killing people. 6.5 is simply more geared for target or competition shooting from what I've read.

>>138629153
Yeah cause I'm pretty sure the rule of thumb is 5.56 > .223
.308 > 7.62x51
So you shouldn't fire 5.56 out of a gun that is only stamped for .223 and you shouldn't fire .308 out of a gun that is only stamped for 7.62x51

>>138628889
Well what would be a difference between law and regulation on this? You'd get in deep shit if you had something either prevented right?

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>>138629115
>And also look up your self defense laws, make sure you will not get screwed over when Achmed breaks into your house and you plug him full of buckshot.

Austria has one of the toughest self defense laws in Europe, pretty much "stand your ground" PLUS defend your property. There have been lovely cases where thiefs have been running away with stolen jewellery from a shop and the shopowner took out his Glock ran out and shot the guy in the back. It is perfectly legal to do so - I am not joking. As long a you have a reasonable belief the thief is running away with more than a de minimis amount (should be above a few hundred euro, e.g. your wallet or some jewellery, but not some gum or a snickers), you can shoot to kill to stop him running away.

P.S. attached a typical AR-15 in the "Behoerdenversion" (gov. authorized version), i.e. a calibre .223, which is fine for most sports shooters.

>>138629153
noguns

>>138629289
this is correct.

btw, mostly noguns itt.

>>138629289
Well not exactly. You really shouldn't but you still can run 5.56 in a 223 and 7.62 in a 308. Biggest difference is one is mil spec which makes the rounds a hair warmer and not EXACTLY the same. That's why its best to pick up an AR chambered for 5.56 and not 223. The 223 will run mostly fine but it wears it out quicker and you may have some issues with feeding and such.

>>138629289
SAAMI says shooting .308 out of a 7.62x51 chamber doesn't matter.

>>138621720
Got and ID? No felonies? Not insane? Step on up and buy and AR. This is Texas and I love it.

>>138629433
Law is passed by parliament, regulation is just passed by some fuckers at the ministry.

Yes, you can get in trouble either way, but regulations can more easily be challenged in court, as they are usually fucked up when written.

In any event, gun violations in Austria are administrative laws only (except for shooting people), which means max you can get is a fine of a few euros... and depending on the offense, you could get your rifle taken away (e.g. if you own an outlawed AR-15 with NATO 7.62 ammo.

>>138629903
Try again

>>138621720
The standard is 7.62 x 51; there are also 7.62 x 39 available here.

>>138630060
So at least you have a sliver of hope you can get away with having a MEAN SCARY 870!!!!

>>138629937
total bullshit you dumbass. 556 is loaded hotter than 223 while 308 is hotter than x51. there's a pressure difference and has absolutely nothing to do with wearing anything out. now stfu.

>>138629968
>No felonies? Not insane?
They check that now in Texas? Is that constitutional?

>>138630074
noguns

>>138621720
Currently we can buy pretty much anything with a regular shall-issue sporting licences, including ar-15s with standard capacity magazines, akms, handguns, rifles up to .408 chey-tac and .416 barret (.50 bmg is restricted to the military).
Of course things will change when the eu directive that cucks approved will be enacted.

We have a few silly restrictions in place, like the one on 9x19mm, which is restricted to police use only (we use 9x21 imi instead).

>>138630301
Most all articles I've read say as such. So fuck you too you ass. There's always one that has to come in and be a shit.

>>138625466
I went into a gun shop in Finland when I was visiting and was pleasantly surprised at the selection.

>>138630464
>all articles I've read say as such
you're a fucking liar. it's just not true and saying you "read articles" is total bullshit and you know it. look it up you dumbass, all data is readily available. now explain how 223 wears an AR out more than 556, i'm waiting you fucktard.

>>138630700
I said 556 wears shit out faster you cuck.

>>138621720
>constanza-swinging.jpg
What harm can you do with 9mm?

>>138630700
*the 223 RIFLE

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>>138621720
Been thinking about getting a Smith and Wesson Governor with some PDX1 rounds soon.

Not that hard here

>>138630925
Why not a judge? Just trust S&W more?

>>138631014
Taurus is Brazilian.

>>138630462
>including ar-15s with standard capacity magazines
Which ammos?

Here in Slovakia you must have a license. Good news is that you can get CC. You can also get pretty much any rifle or gun that does not allow burst or full-auto.

There is a medical examination, psycho testing, and exams regarding your rights, police rights, firearms construction, safety and treating gun-related injuries. It is pretty safe to say that violent, volatile, or low IQ people do not stand a chance.

>>138630885
>What harm can you do with 9mm?
Why would you ask? .22 and 9mm are different calibers. You can do more harm with a 9mm standard issue, but there are different ammo forms even for .22.

>>138622211
/k/ just had a Switzerland meetup last week, those fuckers were armed to the teeth for Euros. Lots of nice Sigs and FALs

>>138631093
So American companies then? Alright fair enough. I've been eyeing the Judge Magnum. The one that shoots 454, 45, and 410.

>>138631324
Sweet

>>138631289
>>>/r/eddit

>>138621720
too bad it's just a .22lr

>>138630808
ok explain that you dumbass.

>>138631324
Post pic

that's a .22

>>138631337
Meh, I'm interested in the PDX1 rounds because they're like a slug and pellets combined. Main idea is to carry it in my vehicle in case I get mugged.

>>138631918
>>>/k/34939840

>>138631729
Because 5.56 is a hair warmer (not 1000 psi or nothing). I've also seen places that say its dimensions aren't quite the same and cause issues but I've seen 223 ARs run 5.56 fine so it seems a more proceed at your own risk sort of thing. Better to stick with manufacturers specs like with anything. This is all info I've found on the internet from various sites so call fake news or whatever. Still doesn't make you any less of a cunt.

>>138631729
lol >>138630808
is still googling for an answer

>>138630462
So anyone can obtain a sports license to get a gun?

>>138630339
Unless you have a LTC (License to Carry) you go in to a gun store, pick your gun, fill out the background check, let them call it in, pay, walk out the door. Provided you pass the background check.
If you have a LTC, go in to shop, pick gun, fill out background check paperwork, pay, walk out the door.
If you have a LTC in Texas you still have to fill out the paperwork, but they do not have to call it in since you have already proven your legality in owning a gun by having the license, which allows you to carry a pistol on you either concealed or open.
No license is required to carry a rifle out in the open in Texas.

>>138632017
Fairly good option. A bit on the high end from what I remember but to each their own.

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>>138631924
>that's a .22
Yes, it is a .22. It is a small calibre rifle for training purposes (.22 is cheap in Austria, 6-8 euros for 100 rounds).

Most semi-auto rifles sold in Austria are .22, .223/5.56 NATO. Some are .308, but rarely, as not required for target practice. As said above 7.62 NATO is outlawed for non-sensical reasons.

>>138631127
Mainly .223 or .308. But weird meme calibers like .300 aac or 6,8 spc are also available.

In Estonia you need a permit to own a firearm, to get the permit you need to do a firearm knowledge test and then a live fire test to prove you can aim well enough, also a medical checkup.

you cant have anything full auto but everything else is fine, so semi auto AKs and such are totally ok

Also concealed carry is not even a special permit but the default state of gun ownership here, so if you have a permit for a gun you can conceal carry anywhere

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>>138631729
More pressure= more wear on the parts

>>138632593
Just kys, fgt.

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>>138631688
>too bad it's just a .22lr
You can have a .308 too. Also MP-5s in .308.

>>138628940
>tfw the only legal self defense here is giving someone breaking into your house a few slaps.
Wish I was making it up but those were the words of the prime minister.

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How about no, you enormous faggot.

>>138631324

Yep and if I remember right all Thier bullets are kept in an armory

>>138632608
Not anyone. You need to have a squeaky clean criminal record and no history of mental illness. If you meet those requirements you are all set.

>>138632915
You're the one that came in like a cock hungry homo so fuck off.

Why don't you e*rofags actually use your guns for something good for once, lmao

>>138632470
dimensions depend on the mfg, pressure is higher, you still need to explain what part wears out, the buffer spring? the difference in pressure are not relevant to wear for 99.9% of all the parts affected, not more than using a suppressor or different length barrels anyway. now please stop embarrassing yourself.

alright, here we go:
>permits to own are shall issue and fairly easy to get
>can own up to 6 pistols, 3 "generic firearms" (blanket term for "scary guns I don't like but are still technically legal"), and as many fudd guns as you like, limit can be lifted with collector's license but you can't own ammo for those
>can own up to 1000 unregistered shotgun shells (1500 if registered), 200 registered pistol rounds and 1500 registered rifle rounds, limit can be extended with special license for competition shooters
>also ammo bought at the range doesn't count
>5.56x45 NATO banned, 9mm Para banned for semi-auto pistols (settle with 9mm Jew, you filthy peasant) because reasons
>suppressors de facto banned (again, because reasons)
>can only hunt with fudd guns
>SBRs, SBSs banned
>mag limit is 5+1 for semi-auto rifles (unregistered, 29+1 if registered), 15 for pistols (unregistered, 20 if registered), 3 for shotguns (only for hunting)
>every gun has to be registered
>weapon registries
>fucking weapon registries: if you have bad luck, an SKS can be considered a salt weapon
>carrying is may issue and only given to security guards and important people (and they can only carry either a pistol or a shotgun, depending on the license)
>self-defense laws are pretty shit
>ammo is pretty expensive
>most mods are allowed but you can't remove the stock and need a medical permit to get a shorter one (only given to manlets)
and here's the kick: they're about to get even worse because of the fucking bongs

>>138632631
>No license is required to carry a rifle out in the open in Texas.

Open carry is allowed, what about concealed carry? Open carry in malls allowed?

>>138632936
This true Swissfags/?

>>138621720
why cant you own pump shotguns? how do you hunt birds????

>>138632724
orly? how would that work? which parts exactly? what if i use 223 and have a suppressor? how does that affect the pressure?

>>138632936
absolute bullshit.

>>138632861
I actually have a (walther made) HK MP5 in 22lr, but over here to have it configured like OP pic would require an extra tax stamp that you have to pay $200 for and wait for approval. (it's considered a short barreled rifle). The one I have has a cheesy fake suppressor/barrel shroud to pull the barrel out to 16" which is the minimum length for a rifle here (since it has a stock)

>>138621720
You can have all types of small firearms and hunting rifles in UK. The only restricted offensive weapons are knives, sharp sticks and bicycle wheels.

>>138630462
>even ARs and AKs with standard capacity mags
what the fuck are you on about? our limit is 29, and you even have to register those

>>138621720
as a bong i would be happy with just a glock 17. i am only allowed a fucking crossbow..

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I fucking hate this country.

>>138622104
how, i thought you said guns without magazines? that bottom hunting rifle clearly has a magazine.

ps i love the mannlicher full stock design, beautiful gun. are those yours?

>>138633406
actually, you can buy all bolt action rifles up to .50bmg without any big paperwork. suppressors are free and need no paperwork. also shotguns.

>>138633173
>>can own up to 1000 unregistered shotgun shells (1500 if registered), 200 registered pistol rounds and 1500 registered rifle rounds, limit can be extended with special license for competition shooters
Interesting, why do they count the number of rounds ammo you have?

As far as I understand, you can buy a million rounds here, there is no limit. They may call it a fire and explosion hazard if you dump them all in a room, but that is a question of how you store them.

>>138633177
Concealed carry is legal without any licensing in Missouri as of January 2017. Prior you needed a license.

Licensing is still encouraged, as it grants you reciprocity in surrounding states, and you're treated with a little more leniency should you be faced with legal consequences of using your concealed weapon.

>>138633438
Why?
You can nearly buy any gun here.

>>138633438
as far as gun laws go you're better off than us in some aspects, what are you even whining for

>>138633372
not true you sanddigger.
semi autos except .22lr are banned, including all handguns

>>138633177
Also I think some cities have statutes against open carry. There's not much they can do to you other than issue a citation, but generally you'll just get questioned by a cop because some hippy faggot called in (((concerned))) so some poor beat cop has to go tell you "sorry, but someone called it in".

>>138633581
not with my medical record haha

>>138633638
i think it depends on what german state you live in. austria is more relaxed then the other cucks like bavaria

>>138633638
Bullshit, and you know it.
Besides, there are way too many fucking hoops to jump through to get your hands on some measly shooter.

>>138633091
I didn't hunt down what parts and all that shit. I just sat down one day and looked up what the differences were. What I got from it was that the pressure was a little higher and it wore out parts. So I took it as simply stick to manufacturers specs. It says 223. Run 223. You want to run 556. Run it at your own risk. Really I don't give a shit about every single detail of it. What I found was good enough. YOU want to get into all of it. You go for it.

>>138633591
>why do they count how many rounds you have
it's an old law and (((politicians))) hate freedom and personal responsibility
did I mention that because of some loophole paintball guns are considered salt weapons (so you need a permit and can only own 3 at most)?

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hi swissfags

im moving there to buy a fuck ton of guns and gitmoney. housing is expensive as fuck tho... almost 2 million for a detached house 10 mins car from the city

im buying an ar15, nice double barrel shotgun and a stub nose revolver. aw yis

>>138629027
Do all states have a waiting period?
California fag here

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Let's post some Bong legal guns

>>138633839
No, gun law is federal law in germany as far as i know, only supressors are regulated by ste state

>>138633173
>SBRs, SBSs banned
No they are not. It is illegal to turn a long rifle/shotgun into a short rifle/shotgun. But firearms that are classified as such from the start are absolutely legal.

>most mods are allowed but you can't remove the stock and need a medical permit to get a shorter one
Absolutely not. It is legal to modify the stock, as long as you don't turn a long gun into a short gun or vice-versa. Switching a fixed stock with a collapsible one is currently grey area, but in most cases police doesn't give a shit. Of course firearms classified with a collapsible or telescopic stock from the get go are absolutely legal.

>>138630301
A .223 Wylde chamber is safe for both .223 and 5.56 swissbro. As far as 308 vs. 7.62 NATO - all my rifles in that class are in .308 so I don't sweat it when shooting 7.62

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>>138633233
>how do you hunt birds????
A normal small calibre hunting rifle or buckshot. Why would you need a short barrel pump gun (that is the definition of "pump gun" in Austria, a repetition rifle with a barrel that is excessively short - 45cm or lower)? You can use pic related.

>>138634025
That's a federal background check requirement.

The FBI has 7 days to either allow or deny sale to you. If they don't give indication either way, you get to purchase/pick up your paid-for weapon.

TESTING

>>138634025
Nope. California probably does tho. Pretty much the worst gun laws in the country, some of these Euros are better off than you

>>138634024
They only sell them to Swiss citizens, you will get fuck all from the local gun shop if you are a foreigner.

>>138634024
fuck off we're full.

>>138634087
Do you have enough barrel?

>>138634229
speak up

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>>138621720
I have an XTR-12, a Franchi SPAS12 and a couple of MP5/AK .22 replicas for plinking

>tfw no pistols in UK

Pic related

>>138634228
>if they don't indicate you can or can't within that 7 days. I've had it happen a couple of times, but most all have been approved over the phone at the counter of the gun shop the day I went to look and purchase.

>>138621720
>has one of the largest gun manufacturers in the world (FN Herstal)
>has some of the strictest gun laws in Europe
Fuck my shit up senpai.

>>138634025
No. If you have concealed permit in some states, you can walk out with your handgun, otherwise it's like 5 daysfor handguns. Rifles/shotguns you walk out with.

>>138633540
Hes wrong about that. Obviously with magazine.

>>138633591
The limit is quite pointless actually, since you can also own up to 5kg of reloading powder and reload your own ammo (1kg of powder = about 3k 9mm rounds)

>>138633438
>I fucking hate this country.
Not that much difference between Austria and Germany - only that you are a bit more restrictive on the Cat C guns I believe, i.e. you need a hunting license or sports club license for most guns and I believe you have a restrictions on how many guns you can own (we pretty much don't, I think after 25 rifles and handguns, you need to apply for an exemption to get more).

>>138633540
nah, our country is Reactionary af when it comes to politics
Pump action shotguns for example are banned because one fag once killed a bunch of people with one
People over here are getting pissed because we need more and more regulations since the shitskin invasion
Weed was legal to consume/ to own 5g for private use (if the police catched you with it you still got a fine ~100€ depending on your behavior and they confiscated it for disturbing the peace ) until the sandpeople started dealing drugs in the bus and harrasing old people

>>138634375
Hit up FN and show them how to match all the different browns on their fucking SCARs.

>>138634216
well you didnt specify short barrel. we cant have short barrel shotguns here in america either without special permits. anything less than 18" requires a short barrel shotgun tax stamp from the ATF which takes like 6 months to complete the paperwork (along with submission of fingerprints and other shit)

the way you worded your post it sounded like all pump shotguns were illegal there. over here we use 22" pump shotguns for duck hunting all day and 18" ones for home defense

>>138621720
>.22 ratshit round
>comparable to .223

retarded

>>138621720
So what... it's a 22lr made under license. They don't make real ones anymore. Antique repro. The modern version is a UMP

>>138634332
I have the keys to my local gun range's armoury.
Has a shit-tonne of Remington 700's, and MP5's.

>>138634555
kek

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>>138630339
lol

>>138621720
I honestly have no clue, but I think getting a gun is pretty hard.

thank fuck I have a wartime ak and hollowpoints

>>138634167
do you have a source on that, our legislation is fucking confusing
afaik the gun needs a 40cm barrel and overall length of 60cm to be considered legal, anything less is considered an SBR/SBS and therefore illegal
also folding stocks are banned unless you weld them extended

>>138634509
so its not the laws, its the people. if only our leftists in america would understand that as well. instead of constantly making new laws they could just keep the bad people out

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>>138634493
I need a hunting license, sports club license or collectors license to get a firearm permit
The amount of firearms you can get is limited to 5 or so per permit, though you can get more of them.
There is no gun club anywhere near here and I have no interest in serious competitive shooting, recreational shooting is haram and not valid.

>>138633177
In Texas you can legally conceal carry only if you have a License to Carry, that gives you the right to carry a pistol, it's up to you to decide if you want to conceal it or open carry.
There are certain places that you can not carry either way, legally: schools, "gun free zones", government type buildings, and businesses have the right to put up signs at the entrance to let people know if they allow carrying or not. A business can decide that you are allowed to conceal carry but not open carry, or not carry at all even if you have a license.
For example, a store can have a sign at their entrance that says (basically) 'you can not open carry a weapon here' which means you can still carry, just has to be concealed. Or they can have a sign that says 'you can not carry a weapon' which means leave your gun or don't come in.
If you own a pistol but do not have a license to carry, you can have it in your car, but it has to remain concealed at all times.
Rifles are a different story, if you have a rifle you can carry it with you out in the open without having to have any sort of license at all.
This is all put really simple. Also keep in mind that just because it's a law doesn't mean everyone follows it. I know people who do not have a license to carry but do anyway.

>>138634652
be careful, anon, plod will kick down your door, flashbang your mum and steal your keys if they read this.

The thing noone in this thread seems to mention, is that if you use a gun for selfdefense in most European nations, you will get sent to jail, where the mostly Arab majority will shank you.

>>138634259
>They only sell them to Swiss citizens, you will get fuck all from the local gun shop if you are a foreigner.
I do not think so. Switzerland provides anyone the same rights as Swiss people (with the exception of voting and certain ways of deportation), as long as you have a Niederlassungserlaubnis (permit for residency - all EU citizens have that immediately).

>>138634509
>we need more and more regulations since the shitskin invasion
Why not just regulate shitskins?

>>138634182
sure, any modern gun can handle both, 223/556 and 308/x51. even if it says 223 on the gun it's totally save to shoot 556. wear is not a factor, the only part affected by the pressure difference in terms of wear is the buffer spring, in an AR i mean. bolt action can be trickier especially if their older models, but it's mostly save.

>>138630074
fudd

>>138634584
The "smaller" was related to .22, not the .223.

>>138634025
In Texas you can get "hold" when they call in your background paperwork. But generally, there is no waiting period, go in, buy, walk out.

>>138633868
>Bullshit, and you know it.
It's not. My dad is a hunter and I'm as well.
We have various semi-auto rifles at home.
It's obviously not like in the US but it's far from impossible.

>>138634867
Not here brudi. It goes so far that you can defend yourself and kill thea attacker if it goes against your honour. Sure cucked judge and attorney might tray to spin it against you and try to deny you your right and call something like excessive force, but nothing a good lawyer can't fix

>>138634870
>Switzerland provides anyone the same rights as Swiss people
luckily, that's no the case.

>Niederlassungserlaubnis (permit for residency - all EU citizens have that immediately)
that means absolutely nothing, you don't get a c-permit thus have no rights other than to work legally. we can trow you out anytime, which we do with EU cucks on a regular basis if they don't behave.

>>138635084
I'm no hunter and I probably never will be.
Guns are out of reach for me.

>>138634870
So you mean I can buy a gun with a B permit?

>>138633406
same here; but at least I have some well specced crossbows at hand in my cuckshed; i hope you do too britcuck

>>138635223
No problems boyo, only 1 more year left for the C.

>>138634775
Yeah Austria is a pretty good example for that actually.
Most of the laws/restrictions made here happen after people start abusing something and it´s mostly foringers.
We will have the german welfare systhem soon because the gouverment realized that Turks and other muslims groups abuse our systhem.
The Austrian welfare systhem how it is right now would be heaven for US-leftists but Austrian leftists are getting it killed soon.

>>138635000
AR, 30-06, old mossberg 12 ga, .44 super blackhawk with hogue grip, old ass beretta .380, a not as old beretta .380, 10/22, and a few older .32 revolvers I really need to try to fix. Define that as you will.

>>138634965
It can be a little tough on extractors too if it's a little over-gassed but it's easy enough to carry a spare extractor with you. Either way I'm done with 223/5.56 for now and thoroughly enjoying my Hk91 clone.

>>138635284
you need a confirmation of your home country that you're allowed to own a gun there. if you don't get that, it means noguns for you. don't believe anybody posting with an EU flag.

>>138621720
>.22
we can buy those too

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>>138633406
Fun fact: In my US state, hunting with a crossbow is only allowed for gun season, and not bow season.

>>138635245
Sucks to be you then.

>>138635186
M8, if you kill someone with bear hands, you can get 5-10 years, even in self-defense if its deemed excessive.

If you kill someone with a pistol youre in for a shitstorm, since "excessive force" is guaranteed in the eyes of the court.

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>>138634805
In Washington you do not need a license to open carry any firearm.

You can bring a gun to a courthouse as well. They MUST issue you a lockbox for your gun AND give you the key. The legislative authority is also LIABLE for any damage or theft of your firearm while in their lockbox.

If you go to jury duty in Seattle, bring your gun and remember the LOL on the court guard's face.

>>138634867
>The thing noone in this thread seems to mention, is that if you use a gun for selfdefense in most European nations, you will get sent to jail,

Not true. We have very clear rules of self defense. You won't find a Staatsanwalt in Austria who will ever start proceedings against you if you shot someone who broke into your house or who tried to rape you or... what is most important in Austria... tried to steel your stuff.

>>138635419
what country? certain nationals are banned from owning guns even with c-permit.

>>138635714
Poortugal

>>138634963
There are two major rightwing parties
ÖVP(republican party equivalent): less welfare, more regulations etc because of high costs and muzzies in general
FPÖ(former Natsoc party): restricting immigration and promoting emmigration of non Austrians
Both are around 20 to 30% according to polls

>>138635668
Yeah, I know other states that do not require a license to conceal/open carry a pistol, it was always weird to me since Texas has such a stereotype when it comes to guns.
I've got a friend in Maine, same thing there, no license needed to carry.

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>>138635223
>>Switzerland provides anyone the same rights as Swiss people
>luckily, that's no the case.
Then why does your Government say so in your own Waffenbroschure?

https://www.fedpol.admin.ch/dam/data/fedpol/sicherheit/waffen/Brosch%C3%BCre/waffenbroschuere-d.pdf

And on the C-Permit, you get after 5 years

https://www.sem.admin.ch/sem/de/home/themen/aufenthalt/eu_efta/ausweis_c_eu_efta.html

Bei EU/EFTA-Angehörigen richtet sich die Erteilung der Niederlassungsbewilligung nach den Bestimmungen des AuG und der Niederlassungsvereinbarungen, da das Freizügigkeitsabkommen mit der EU keine Bestimmungen über die Niederlassungsbewilligung enthält. Bürger der EU-17-Staaten (ausser Zypern und Malta) und der EFTA erhalten aufgrund von Niederlassungsverträgen oder aus Gegenrechtsüberlegungen nach einem ordnungsgemässen und ununterbrochenen Aufenthalt von fünf Jahren die Niederlassungsbewilligung. Für Zypern, Malta, die EU-8-Staaten, Rumänien, Bulgarien und Kroatien bestehen keine derartigen Vereinbarungen.

>>138635618
As I said cucked judges, in theory we have the right. But lets assume a gypsy broke into your house during night, you shot that motherfucker 2 times, a good lawyer, who golfs with the judge and the attorney (not Vienna), and the chances are that one gets a 5 year weapon ban and conditional detention.

>>138635838
lucky then.

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>>138621720
God it must suck to be a yuropoor
>No freedom of speech (can get sent to jail for mean tweets and memes)
>If you can get a gun it requires a long array of bullshit rules, restrictions, if's / when's / but's and hoops before being allowed your weapon
>Even if you have a weapon using it in self-defense against an armed intruder = insta-jail
>The mere act of wishing to own a weapon is seen as stage 1 terrorism
You people deserve what you've gotten with the terrorist and rapefugees

>>138634730
>afaik the gun needs a 40cm barrel and overall length of 60cm to be considered legal, anything less is considered an SBR/SBS and therefore illegal
The gun needs to have a >30cm barrel and a >60cm overal length to be considered a long gun.
If it is lower than that it's considered a pistol.

The source is the fact that they have been classified by the National Proof Bench and you can legally buy them.

Here are few examples:

http://www.nuovajager.it/scheda.asp?id=4121112201312151252

http://www.nuovajager.it/scheda.asp?id=347947201747114736

http://www.armeriagamba.it/armi-lunghe/fucili-a-pompa/fabarm-martial-pistola-11-prezzo

They calibers of the ak and ar-15 are weird ones because they refused to classify these two specific models in their original calibers. Basically because: "fuck you".

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>>138635991
Texas can own automatics and Washington cannot. Aside from that we have stand your ground, open carry, pistol ownership at age 18 from a private sale.

Got cucked out of private sales though in 2013 I think it was. There used to be a good website for buying and selling locally.

>>138635323
No offence, but you're better off throwing rocks. Fuck this pansy-ass country

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>>138633868

I received my hunting license last year and now own - among others - a shotgun, an SKS, an AK and two handguns at the ripe age age of 21. I can buy as much ammo as I want. Daddy sponsored my hunting seminar and now our family feels safe.

If that's not an option for you, you could try acquire an unregistered gun - there are approximately 20 million of them in this country. You just have to get to know the right people.

Where is your god now? Stop making excuses and aim at success instead of bitching on an image board.

I think all the hate on the 22lr is hilarious. a cci stinger round will fuck up flesh at close and mid ranges.

if that's all you have or if you're on a budget, 22lr is fine

>>138636336
>.22 will bounce around inside your skull

>>138636206
nice, I wasn't aware of that
still fucking mad about the caliber thing, I kinda wanted a slav 5.45x39 raifu

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>>138635486
>we can buy those too
But you are American, you can buy all guns.

We are happy that at least all AK-47s and derivatives are legal even at 7.62 NATO versions for historical reasons (parts of Austria were occupied by the Soviets until 1955).

>>138636013
>Switzerland provides anyone the same rights as Swiss people
>anyone
only c-permit and not a national of certain countries like serbia, turkey and a few other shitholes.
>And on the C-Permit, you get after 5 years
that depends, ordnungsgemässer Aufenthalt means you worked all the time. if you want claim welfare money and are from EU17 country you have to go back, pretty quickly. and your 5 years start new when you reenter because you found a job.

>>138636505
You can have it, just not in its short "pistol" variant.

>>138636321
Is the SKS a good shooter? I'm in the market for an intermediate caliber milsurp.

>>138621720
>NATO 7x62

>>138621720

Aren't .308 and 7.62 practically the same round?

>>138636594
>But you are American, you can buy all guns
americans get boners from so many guns they can't import and are totally standard in europe. they also can't own any FA gun made after 1986.

>>138628004
That is about the dumbest god damn thing I have ever heard in my life. A cartridge is a cartridge. They can all kill you.

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>>138636321
>unregistered gun
Owning a firearm without permission would get me up to 5-10 years in the slammer.
That seems like too much of a risk for getting a fucking doorstopper I will never be able to use anywhere without being found out or rotting in jail.

>>138636336
Well you can ride a bicycle to work or drive there in a Cadillac. You get there in the end. So to each their own.

>>138636625
yeah, no Krink for me I guess

>>138635618
>even in self-defense if its deemed excessive.
Name one case in which self-defense has deemed excessive where someone ever got any prison sentence ever.

First, excessive self-defense in Austria is like this: "Turk walks up to you drunk, punches you in the rips, you pull out your knife and knife him down 27 times". Second, even in such a situation, you get like 2 years on probation. Third, in normal situations of "dude breaks into your house, tries to rape your daughter, you kill him with your golf driver" you get psychological counseling to get over this horrible incidence, you don't get anything in terms of fines or anything.

They just released a guy who killed his father. The father was pushing him, so he pushed back, dragged him to the barn, and suffocated him. They released him because obviously it was self defense.

http://www.krone.at/oesterreich/vater-getoetet-um-mich-ist-nur-noch-dunkelheit-es-war-kein-mord-story-584289

>>138621720
no pistols for under 21, and full auto unless government issue for militia. thats it

>>138621720
Just wondering I see the threaded end cover, how did you deal with floating barrel... and by removing the faux suppression drops it below legal length in the us.

>>138634259
WRONG!!

B and C permit holders can buy.

>>138634279
Don't worry, I'll join proTell and SVP.

>>138636732
.308 is slightly hotter iirc

>>138636706

Tbqh I haven't taken it to the range yet, but can't go wrong with a Russian SKS as long as the price is right.

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>>138633868
Fucking Idiot....everything in this Picture is legal.

>>138635284
Yes you can.

>>138635223
>c-permit thus have no rights other than to work legally
Wrong, C Permit allows permanent residency.

Does Austria actually have animals worth hunting?

>>138635838
AH CARALHO também vou para aí, onde estás? Parte alemã i hope

>>138636279
We have stand your ground, castle doctrine, not sure on pistol ownership from private sale
But yeah, we are class III friendly. Just have to pay the fees.

>>138636336
A .22lr is an excellent gun. An 8 year old can tear the center out of an IPSC target at 35-40 feet with a 10/22.

>protip, ruger now make their own integrally suppressed barrel for the 10/22

>>138636824
Yes, But any of them that were in the country pre ban are fair game. One thing we dont have in this country is a shortage of firearms to purchase.

>>138621720
>7.62 NATO vs. .308 WIN
Are your politicians stupid? Yea there's a difference but not that major.

I'm from Herzegovina, handguns allowed when you turn 21, but you have to have reason for it.
I wish I was in Murica.

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>>138631918

>>138636706
A buddy of mine has one. His is a Norinco. Chinese shit. It runs pretty damn good though. Accurate and it bump fired with out a jam. If you're looking for just a good shooter the Norincos seem fine if you don't care about authenticity.

>>138621720
Any restrictions on how much ammo you can keep? Types?

>>138637342
>Are your politicians stupid?
yes
why do you think they're there in the first place?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AZ6ljNqoSS4

I really don't know, no one has guns here.
Only police

>>138637386
Sad, at my range they sometimes blast Thompson.

>>138637099
You're blacked

>>138636142
>>No freedom of speech (can get sent to jail for mean tweets and memes)
True in Austria, but only for Nazis stuff.

>>If you can get a gun it requires a long array of bullshit rules, restrictions, if's / when's / but's and hoops before being allowed your weapon
True in Austria, but not really a big problem. If you want a gun, pretty much any gun, you can get it. Just will take several weeks to get through the paperwork and requirements - but once you got your card, you can get as much as you like forever.

>>Even if you have a weapon using it in self-defense against an armed intruder = insta-jail
Untrue as explained above. Austria has very strong self-defense rules - especially for assets. Can you shoot someone in the back who is running away with your iPhone? You can here.

>>The mere act of wishing to own a weapon is seen as stage 1 terrorism
Now you are just miming. Why? Funny is that even our terrorists have testified that they think Austria has one of the most liberal laws when it comes to promoting radical ideas. A guy got 10yrs for being a terrorist and he lauded Austria for its approach to his hate preaching.

>>138637510
The band, not the gun that is...

>>138637099
There was a law I read about that regulates "Weapons of War" (Kriegswaffen)
That was long ago so I forgot the details, mainly that it's not an "Assault Weapon" law that defines specific spooky accessories, instead just full auto guns and greater ordnance.

>>138637401
Niiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiice
Fuck how nice.
How did you guys meetup?
Also qt miniskirt gril.

>>138637584
Kriegswaffen in germany means full auto.

So you could have an AR-15 but not an M16

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take 3 4-hour safety courses and pass a test with 75%
Gives you the right to own shotguns and 22cal. rifles
Go to more gun classes later on to gain more gun ownership rights
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austriabro here, if you could tell me how much a Kar98k would be and maybe organize one I'd kiss your ass

>>138637139
>C Permit allows permanent residency.
i know, but i meant that when you come to switzerland you get a b first and not c right away, after a few years the c which is permanent residency. to get a gun with b is easy for germans and such, for others it's difficult if their gov doesn't issue the necessary papers to buy guns, italy for example has a notorious bureaucracy and you wait forever.

>>138637642
>girl

>>138637506
Hence the reason you are currently under seige by criminals there. And the corruption is at levels even the Mexican's are jealous of.

>>138636868

>Owning a firearm without permission would get me up to 5-10 years in the slammer.

Hah! Maybe if you get caught packing heat while dealing drugs. I've googled "Kalaschnikow" and this is the first article I've found.

http://www.mz-web.de/quedlinburg/prozess-am-amtsgericht-sportschuetze-bewahrte-kalaschnikow-und-munition-zu-hause-auf-28143028

>Urteil: Ein Jahr und drei Monate - auf Bewährung

>Verdict: One year and three months - on probation

Just don't be a nigger and you'll be fine. This does't mean that I encourage you to commit a crime.

>>138637519
Yes, and i Like it. What Revolver should i Buy next?

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>>138637510
>>138637575
HA, good one

>>138637657
Well, since I'm not a hunter, not a collector and I don't want to be part of a gun club if I can't do recreational shooting, I will never have either of those.

>>138637681
Get a vz. 24, they are cheaper (in austria) and better

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>>138637688
Yeah you probably need criminal record from your origin country.

>>138637726
Seriously, how did you meet? /k/? kikebook?
wanna be with you ;_;

>>138621720
Lol do you even shoot?

My country says you're allowed to dremel your own lower receivers and I'll leave it at that.

>>138637688
Then I guess my dream is over, gun laws are very strict in Portugal and is nearly impossible to get a licence. :(

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>>138636142
> muh eurocucks
> muh no freedom of speach
56% white

>>138637972
>/k/
this

>>138637972
/k/ that is

In my fag country even the police can't have guns.

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>>138637760
Still, having a firearm illegally makes it completely useless, I can use it on nothing, gun clubs would get really nosy on documentation and using it for self defense would give me life.
If I wanted a useless brick, I'd buy one from a hardware store.

>>138638039
you just need a paper that you're technically allowed to own a gun i.e. no criminal record, mental illness and such.

i think this guy >>138637972
is a portofag, at least that's what i remember from /k/

>>138637791

I dont know Why you are complaining Then? You could of you wanted to have guns, but you dont....

>>138638191
If you just want to shoot go to a commercial range and borrow guns.
If you life near CZ or CH do it abroad

>>138638074

He's still right regarding the lack of free speech.

>>138638074
In all seriousness, Germany and Great Britain are the most divisive countries because both of you have a superiority complex.

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>mfw I will never own a firearm because this country is so fucking cucked

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>>138638039
Informa-te, provavelmente só precisas de registo criminal. Mesmo assim, se depois tiveres a C podes comprar (acho eu).

>>138638274
>is a portofag,
Nice, me too!

>>138638075
>>138638160
Cool, one day I'll join

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>>138638404

>>138638404
but you can still own literal tanks with live guns as long as you have a FAC
that's prerty awesome

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Here anyone could buy this M4 parts kit, the only thing missing are the barrel and the breech.

http://www.zib-militaria.de/epages/61431412.sf/sec208e3a19f2/?ObjectPath=/Shops/61431412/Products/90065

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>>138638297
Having guns is not worth it if I have to completely derail my life to a hunting profession, spend a shitload of money to establish a collection, or become a sport shooter and participate in no-fun-allowed shooting competitions I don't want to take part in.
I'm complaining because there is no other way except these three.

>>138638352
There is no commercial range anywhere near here, besides, I'd like to own them as well, which I can't due to the reasons I already named.

>>138638600
Now that has put an enternaining image in my head. Just picturing some thug mugging someone with a bike wheel.

>>138633406
>i am only allowed a fucking crossbow
I am not.
Seriously. I looked it up because I wanted to make one, and anything more powerful than a kid's toy requires a permit which is (as far as I've heard) hard to get.

>>138638672
>the breech.
it's called a bolt head

>>138638797
Where do you live? im sure there are some

>>138638672
Its a bolt, and thats a lot

>>138638797
>not going through some minor shit and spend a little money to be ready for the impending niggerpocalypse
germans

>>138639113
it's only the bolt head that's missing and it's literally nothing, you can buy them without papers in switzerland for example.

>>138639169
Please....dont think WE are all Like hin...See >>>>138637099

>>138639295
Sure that, but if you want to get illegal you can buy an black market AK to begin with, probably cheaper and easier

>>138639295

And the barrel itself...

>>138621720
>7x62 rounds are "war weapons" so only allows a smaller .22 or .223 or .308 WIN calibre ammo.
So wait, you can get an AR-14 chambered for .308 but not 7.62?
Isn't the difference basically a stronger spring and slightly more relief in the chamber?

>>138637250
>Does Austria actually have animals worth hunting?
Yes, 60% of our country is mountains - we have pretty much got everything, although the re-emerged wolves and bears are not really allowed to be hunted. Otherwise we got quite a lot of deer, birds, smaller prey and shitton of boars - yes wild pigs are so abundant, we actually call them a plague around here.

>>138638797

>Having guns is not worth it if I have to completely derail my life to a hunting profession

What the fuck are you talking about?

>Do a two week hunting class
>Pass test
>Renew license every three years

There's nothing more to it. I hardly even go hunting.

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>>138639169
>minor shit
>little money
Dude, don't be stupid.

>>138638995
Yeah, you're right, there are.
I just pulled that claim out of my ass since I'm already demoralised about gun ownership here.
The prices are a bit hefty though.

>>138639484
Do I have an excuse if I never go hunting?

>>138629872
>There have been lovely cases
do you have some sources?

>you can shoot to kill to stop him running away
I doubt that. See StGB §3.

>>138639415
probably not cheaper

>>138639443
>buy deko
>weld the holes in the barrel shut
done, you now have a full auto M16 or M4.

>>138637433
>Any restrictions on how much ammo you can keep? Types?
No. You could keep a million rounds. There are no restrictions. You need to be 18 to own ammo though.

>>138636870
more like a moped

a 22 will kill a hog at 75 yards, it will kill your average rioter or burglar with a well placed shot and no over penetration.

it's not ideal but shouldn't be taken lightly. if I lived in the EU I'd get a taurus circuit judge. nice a little carbine that won't scare people

>>138639667
>Dude, don't be stupid
nothing compared to getting gang raped by muttis new germans.

>>138639484
WTF is a "hunting" class anyway? Learn: "don't shoot people"?

If I took a hunting class in the US I'd expect to learn how to dress a kill. If I wanted to learn how to safely use a gun I'd take a gun safety course.

The connection to "hunting" is baffling. I have a gun to shoot home intruders not a fucking deer.

>>138637681
>Kar98k
Why would you want an oldtimer? Why not just buy a fresh new bolt-action rifle? Is it just for gun range shooting or do you want to buy a disabled rifle for gun collecting purposes?

>>138621720
I dunno if Russia considered Europe, but i`ll post anyway. You can legally own up to 5 smoothbore weapons and up 2 cucked hand guns (less lethal shit that basicaly usless) if you have "hunting" licence. After 5 years of owning smoothbore hunting weapon you can buy rifle. All owned weapons must be storaged is safe where you live, aslo must be registered. Wait period is 30 days for first time licence and 14 days for licence to buy additional gun. Gun law also includes general shit magazine capacity, overall lenght and few extra cuck things: guns have to demilitarised (iron sights up to 300m, cant accept military magazines, special thing in barrel to leave a mark on fired case, cut down bayonet lugs).

>>138639484

>Do I have an excuse if I never go hunting?

You are accountable to none, you don't have to prove that you're actively hunting, you merely have to renew your license. The only conditions are a hunting insurance (like 20 bucks a year) and a certificate of good conduct.

>>138635459
So does the B permit not count as a residency permit as per this:

https://www.fedpol.admin.ch/fedpol/de/home/sicherheit/waffen/faq.html

Remember Europeans. The semi automatic rifles ban is coming in 2017/2018. Get ready to bury them if you want to keep them...

>>138640146
>Why do you want an oldtimer?
some people like milsurp

>>138640235
>>138639667

>>138639864

lolno but it gives me an idea...

>build one with a welded barrel like that
>insert 1 round
>leave for mudskin to find
>enjoy watching him blow his face off

>>138633406
Well I have a few 12g shotguns. You're doing it wrong

>>138638191

A dumb apathetic anime posting cuck like you should not own guns anyways.

Youe excuses and ignorance disgusts me. Stop posting.

>>138634025
In my state it's a background check at an FFL for pistols (no wait when you pass)and can buy long guns out of someone's trunk in a parking lot.

>>138638018
>My country says you're allowed to dremel your own lower receivers
But if your intention is when you do so (in your mind) to sell it on to someone else, the ATF will break down your door, shoot your dogs and rape your wife... then get all your guns, which is much worse.

>>138640412
Are bongs allowed semi auto shotguns?

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>>138638018
Ive heard of people who just buy """"scrap metal """" off the internet and machine some holes and then have a functioning unregistered assault riffle

>>138640298
This, the only thing that should be allowed on guns are metal and wood. And bakelite.

>>138636824
americans can own any gun
if there's a will then there is a way

http://www.gunbroker.com/All/BI.aspx?Keywords=full+auto&Sort=13

>>138640403
lolyes, it actually works if you know someone who can weld. it's not that easy but very doable. converting dekos back to functional weapons was a national past time in switzerland for many years. since the new deko laws are in place it's harder but the barrel is actually the easiest part.

>>138634024
>Riiiiiiccoooooolllllllaaaaaaaaa
>brrrrrrraaaaaaaapppppppppp

>>138640631
Good luck making your own brass

>>138640515
Yes, one of mine is semi-auto

It's really strict here. You need several licenses and then there are some rules in some weapons too.

>>138639985

The hunting exam is a test of expertise. To pass it, each applicant has to participate in a comprehensive, difficult instruction course which consists largely of the areas shooting (shotgun and rifle), theory (esp. weaponry, local wildlife and habitat), hunting traditions and practise.

In other words, you at least have to be iq89 to shoot wildlife and handle firearms.

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Pennsylvania is so comfy.

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>>138639977
Well, I'm male and stay indoors in my free time, so me getting raped by new germans is pretty much a 0% chance.

>>138640235
Well, that looks a bit more hopeful.
The law at §13 (1) though pretty much states that I have to convince them that I'm actually a legit hunter, which means that I actually AM accountable to them.
What's the definition of "hunting weapon"?
Seems like there is an entry there about that as well.

>>138640437
Okay.

>>138640967
Why are the scopes so expensive?

>>138640751
FAs made after 1986 can only be sold to SOTs my dude, not private persons. all chinese and russian guns are banned from import since sometime in the nineties. everything made after that is unobtainium, same goes for literally any rifle which isn't a "sporting rifle" as defined by the ATF. try buying an HK243 for example.

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>>138640506
And thats... Legal? Legal-ish?

Also what state?

>>138640992

You insufferable retard. I told you to stop posting. Everything you typed in this thread was an insult to any intelligent person.

I'm surprised by the lack of talk about barely restricted weapons. Co2 guns, Lever Action Rifles, Air Rifles, Blank & Flare Guns etc. Sure, not much use out of them in civil war or something (better than nothing though), but for practical usage? Great for small game hunting, pest control, recreational shooting & self defense. Cheap & easy to get.

>>138641116
I honestly don't know. I'd imagine they are decent, I only buy Leupold or vortex scopes.

>>138641116
Good question

>>138640836
What do you mean by that? Dont know anything about the process but i heard it was really easy

>>138641291
Perfectly legal in PA and I'm sure many other states.

>>138641425

None of the "guns" you listed is great for self defense.

>>138641116
making good optical stuff isn't easy

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>>138639668
>>There have been lovely cases
>do you have some sources?
http://derstandard.at/1057087/Heikle-Bewertung-einer-Notwehr-mit-Todesfolge

there aren't that many cases, as you know we got like 40 murders per year... and maybe another 5-10 deaths as a result of self defense

>>138639668
>>you can shoot to kill to stop him running away
>I doubt that. See StGB §3.
Read pic related as an example. You can shoot to kill to stop people from taking away your jewelry.

>>138640992

No. Fuck off, you're a pain in the ass. Do the research yourself.

>>138640437

>>138639985
>The connection to "hunting" is baffling. I have a gun to shoot home intruders not a fucking deer.

Then you should mark that as a reason to get your gun. At least in Austria it is also a valid reason to get a gun that you want to defend your home, as long as you actually have a home to defend.

You get a hunting license to go hunting. That you can own 250 semi-auto AR-15s with .223 or .308 calibre and 10 million rounds of ammo is just a side effect of your desire to hunt deer.

>>138640889
Can you buy shuttlecock ammo?
http://www.ballisticproducts.com/12ga-DGS-12-Slug-25_pak/productinfo/0721612/

>>138641577
Against unarmed people, in germany? Of course. Deterrence still a factor, 9/10 fags would back off after being hit. And I'd much rather be in front of court for an incident like that, than actually using a 9mm for self defense.

>>138641116
Good luck buying a cheap scope with clear Nikon optics which doesn't fall apart when you shoot or drop it

>>138641425
>CO2 guns
not really sure about regulations here, it probably comes down to their muzzle energy
>levergats
same as hunting rifles
>air rifles
considered toys up to a certain muzzle energy, if it's beyond that they're considered "common firearms"
>blank guns
only restriction is that you have to be at least 14
>flare guns
not sure, I think you need a license

>>138640288
>The semi automatic rifles ban is coming in 2017/2018.
Source? At least it doesn't look like our next gov will restrict guns further, maybe actually get rid of certain gun restrictions (the FPOe is very much pro-gun).

>>138640594
Why are they only semi-auto in .22?

>>138641946

This shows how retarded you are. No grasp on reality, just cucked German thoughts as result of years of emasculation and brainwashing.

>airrifles are good for selfdefense

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>>138636594
There's some import ban on certain types of guns, although I've heard that importers get around this by buying the gun with certain components missing and putting them together with some american parts.

>>138640631
>Ive heard of people who just buy """"scrap metal """" off the internet and machine some holes and then have a functioning unregistered assault riffle

If you are a talented guy and have a machine shop, you can build e.g. a STEN gun. But the things you need isn't just "scrap metal", you should buy well measured items.

>>138642033
there was a EU bill back in february where the bongs were the only ones voting and basically passed a ban on mags bigger than 10 rounds for most semi-auto rifles, among other stuff

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>>138628857
Yes that is the irony. .308 is generally loaded to higher pressures and 7.62 NATO.

The opposite is true with 5.56 NATO though. 5.56 NATO is loaded to higher pressures than .223 so it is ill advised to use 5.56 in .223 rifles. The most I've ever seen happen when you do is pressure signs in bolt guns and primers blow out in semi autos causing the trigger group and action to jam, but they claim the gun can actually blow up.

Illegal here, unless you live near Muslims or you're in reserves with a high rank.

The funny thing is when I was 18-21 and in the army I walked in the streets with an automatic assault rifle no problem. Even now that I'm in reserves and on a break I can openly carry assault rifles. But as a civilian, no. Stupid rules.

>>138641999
In Germany afaik everything over 7.5 joule is restricted. Ammo that is intended to do more damage, stuff like copper plated hollow points is unregulated too. I think you're pretty much good to go for non-lethal weapons if adult. Best use scenario differs with type of course.

>>138642135

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunblane_massacre

Under the pretense to prevent further massacres the Brits were disarmed.

>>138642608

You are a retard and should not give legal nor combat related advice.

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Well here your ducked if you hurt a home invader but if I ever killed a burglar is just not tell the police and try to hide the body. It's not like anyone will miss them and it's better than giving myself up and going to prison for the same amount of time as killing him for NOT trying to take my Gf or whatever.

Go big or go home as you tanks say.

>>138642856

Don't be such a jerk, he's just trying to give advice.

>>138642997

Yeah. Dangerous advice. If you dont know what you arw talking about you should stfu.

>>138641903
You can but you need a firearms certificate. I only have a shotgun certificate but slugs are really easy to get and nobody checks your ammunition closely.

>>138642135
Thanks to Michael Ryan in 1987 the only semi-auto rifle calibre you can own is .22 (fucking rimfire as well).