Any military historians on here?

>>138614615
Because things aren't ideal. Things like that have add extra expenses, you need to pay more people to train, more people to fight, more people to work, more people to own the factories, so forth, so forth.

You can't just work on slave labor.

You don't need a military historian expert on this, it's called "expenses".

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>>138614615
>I am often wondering why did Germany not mobilize all of Europe into the army to fight The Soviets and the Anglos?
They did though, as much as they could. The entire time they dealt with communist partisans. The problem being that communism was about to swallow Europe at the turn of the century. It was like a cancer with cells everywhere. In the end, they failed to protect the Reich, but their resistance utterly drained the communist movement; they sacrificed themselves to halt the spread of communism. Later generations will regard them gratefully for that sacrifice.
https://youtu.be/8ra-ChcOiuU

>>138614891
Sure, but how come the Bolsjewiks managed to mobilize such massive numbers of cannon fodder against the Germans? (The main reason Germany lost the war btw) Did they not have these expenses?

>>138614615
It's also not so easy to convince someone they had previously been fighting on the wrong side and they must now fight for your cause, which they had been brainwashed to hate for the past few years.

there were a considerable amount of volunteers fighting with the germans though.

>>138615494
The should have fucking forced them given what was at stake.

Bump. Curious as well.

>>138614615

This has to be bait, but...

They couldn't rely on the populations of the occupied countries to fight for them because most of them, believe it or not, didn't like the Germans invading and controlling their countries. So they wouldn't have 'mobilised' to help fight us or the Russians, as most of them were waiting for us to come and save them from being occupied.

Yes, there were people who collaborated and also volunteered to fight in the armed forces, including the SS, but they weren't the majority by a huge margin.

>you still need people to grow the food for your country
>you still need people to package and transport that food
>you still need people to fix the farm and transportation equipment
>you still need people to maintain the roads for this traffic
>you need people to police these roads
>...then you still need people like doctors, barbers, salesmen, bankers, etc etc etc to support these people
>suddenly, you realize you still need the bulk of society to keep doing what they're already doing

>>138617296
I know that Anglo anon. And Hitler did not even want to fight the Anglo's btw. But given what was at stake and how the war was going, given that Hitler knew already in '42 about the truly massive Bolsjewik army (Mannerheim recording) why did he and the Germans not FORCE the EUROPEAN mainland to fight for their cause and for Europe. Many Russians did not want to fight either but Stalin said to every forcibly enlisted 'take one step back and we will shoot you'. There must be some kind of military reason why the Germans did not do this, was is the lack of fuel perhaps?

>>138614615
because the rest of Europe hated Hitler's guts too.

t.Nazi proxy state NDH

we killed jews too though, bro :3

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>>138615253
soviets didn't have necceseraly bad leadership (zhukov) but their men were poorly trained and they couldnt respond fast enough to the blitzkrieg by the germans

>>138618009
except for the Russians, who somehow -with far less people than the rest of Europe combined- managed to mobilize a gigantic blob of untrained cannon fodder

>>138618168
da svaki drugi dan se u vjestima spominju 'da ebil fascists' i mene boli kurac za zidovima koji su umrli, ali nisu trebali srbe klat.

>>138618204
Still does not answer the massive numbers they were able to mobilize compared to the Germans who had the whole of Europe and their disposal. Hell, Far east Russian Mongolian hordes who had nothing to do with Europe were forced by Stalin to die for it

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>>138614615
Adolf Hitler knew the soviets where going to attack europe eventually , after taking france and starting his attacks on britian, Hitler tried to negotiate with Churchill many many times to stop the war between 2 white european nations, even Hitler said to one of his soldiers "i dont want to attack the british, they are much like us Germans, it will be a shame to attack them" and the british had been loosing the war and the high end jews where negotiating at the same time with the USA to join britian in the war , also the nazis where attacking several fronts at the time, so they had to destribute their military , by 1943 hitler put most of his army in the russian front, Stalin hads not been in the war for 4 years and he knew he had an advantage to take over europe and Adolf knew this so Nazi germany withraw most troops from the British front and sended them to the russian front , there are many especulations about what happend in russia with the germans, the germans where almost a week time to take over moscu, but , rain and snow slowed the germans riding into moscou, stalin took advantage and sended an order to all russians that withraw from battle will be shot at site and killed, some germans intercepted some letters from the russians , and many soldiers wanted to join hitlers cause but if the leave, it was dead for them and their families, after that USA joins the war and gemrany has to withraw from russia and attend the rest of the world. i would love to complete this but i would get alot into details that will take forever to explain , and sorry for bad grammar not american nor british.

>>138618567
by purging anyone who disagreed with him stalin was able to raise a big enough army fast enough time and when he go intel that the japs wont attack him he railroaded his siberian forces to the front line

>>138618204
They could tho, but more than 2/3 of Soviet military was on Far East and in Siberia. Stalin was too affraid of Japan invasion, but when spies told him that japs are too busy with chinks, he threw 1mil reinforcment from Siberia at Moscow and pushed front back. 5-6 December 1941, google moscow counteroffensive .

>>138618567
By soviet mobilization laws (btw current russian laws are the same) during war time in first wave of mobilization all healthy men (category A, literally spetsnaz-tier Chads) in age 18-45 have to go to nearest military commisariat to enlist.
I think right now ~70% of male population spent at least 1 year in army, so if SHTF they can mobilize ~6mil Chads in first week, and then ~15mil betas in first month.

>>138619167
Do you Ruskies know how the Russians actually went about with the mobilization?
The Russians took 20 million army deaths and still had enough men to completely engulf Berlin in 1945. But surely all the occupied European countries had a bigger potential manpower and industrial power than Russia. Yet 100.000 were all that was left to defend Berlin after the Germans lost 'only' 5 million soldiers or so (large part of them after the war was over in the American camps).

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>>138620083
only logical explanation to this.

>>138618304
>the Russians, who somehow -with far less people than the rest of Europe combined

That is false, see for yourself:
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_population_in_1939

>>138621955
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_population_in_1939
Russia: 170 mil
vs
Germany 87 mil
+France 42 mil (ex colonies)
+Netherlands 8 mil (ex colonies)
+Italy 56 mil
+Poland 34 mil
+Spain 26 mil
+Belgium 8 mil
+Romania 15 mil
+Yugoslavia 15 mil
+Hungary 9 mil
+Portugal 8 mil
+Greece 7 mil
+Bulgaria 6 mil
+Sweden 6 mil
+Denmark 4 mil
+Finland 4 mil
+Slovak 3 mil
+Norway 3 mil
+Lithuania 2 mil
+Latvia 2 mil
+Estonia 1 mil

The Germans should have forcibly mobilized entire fucking Europe. It would have been justified.

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>>138622921
In other words, if Hitler had decided to forcibly mobilize every country under German rule he would have had around 335 million people under his disposal. Given that he was also fighting the Anglos I dont see why he at least did not consider this.

>>138620083
Out that 20mil casualties "only" 7mil was actual military casualties. The rest - civs who died in occupation zones because of starvation, deseases and bombings.
Btw about mobilization - all population who cant fight (children and women) went to military factories and other war supporting stuff. Basically whole country turned into one giant war machine.
There was a lot of volounteers who fought not for commies, but for land. Actually nobody gave a single fuck about ideology. My great granpa was anti-commie, but he still fought in red army. And because of that he earned "Order of Glory" instead of "Hero of USSR" status.

>>138623326
And even without the pulling men out of occupied countries, it seem the Russian mobilization of at least 30 million out of a population of 170 million was far more effective than that of the Germans (around 7 million out of 90 million?)

>>138623547
Wiki says 8,7 million Russian military deaths but okay https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II_casualties_of_the_Soviet_Union
Its fucking weird how there still is so much unclearity about the actual numbers involved.

>>138614615

Hitler was wary of arming some of the peoples he had just conquered. This explains why not until the very end he allowed Vlasov's "Russian Liberation Army" to form (2 1/2 years after Vlasov had first offered this to Germany).

It was maily the SS behind the idea of training and arming ethnicities under occupation - they had no qualms doing what was illegal for the Wehrmacht according to int. law. Unfortunately, many of those ethnicities proved to be undisciplined. E.g. troops from the Caucasus region were notorious for livening it up by shooting into the air just before an attack - hereby giving away all element of surprise - as well as wasting precious ammunition. Or the Indian troops stationed in France which had to be dissolved after they had raped too many French women.

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>>138623983
Interesting info
Fucking Indians

We were neutral, cause of reasons. But at least 300 portuguese volunteers fought for the axis.

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>>138624447
>300
nigger, this was a fight for our world

>>138623974
Some people "died" twice, some didnt have any documents. Lots of kids lied about their age to get into fight. And remember that there was no PCs and databases, and some archives may get burned, especially in frontline cities.
We are still finding unburied soldiers in woods and fields, you can literally find some rusted stuka or some tank in the woods.

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>>138614615

'cause nazis are icky

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>>138624574
wht the hell do you want achmed? Salazar wanted remain Portugal out of it, Germany suggested a legion of portuguese volunteers - called green legion, but Salazar didn´t want that, so the portuguese volunteers were integrated inside the Blue Division or ss units.

>>138625040
>+Portugal 8 mil
You grandparents shouldve realized what was at stake you good for nothing Rooster fucks

A few more conscripts won't fill Rommel's tanks with oil
Won't stop you getting cucked in the air too

>>138614615
You still wouldn't be able to conquer us, pussies.

>>138626474
Dude you had almost all the world against Germany, You had the United States, Uk, France, Russia, China.
Germany would Stand a change if the rest of Europe stand with them, the only ones who actually did it was Italy, Hungary and probably Romania.

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>>138614615
>why did Germany not mobilize all of Europe
because they wanted to slaughter half of Europe?

>>138627980
In the end it doesn't matter who "should have" won. It only matters who did win. Hitlertards eternally btfo.

>>138627980
>you had almost all the world against Germany
Not really. None of those faggots were actually fighting Germany before we turned the fight around in Stalingrad. UK was just protecting their island and fighting on irrelevant fronts simulating activity, France lost and was busy getting cucked, US fought Japan and was getting ready to sign peace with nazis if we didn't turn shit around, China did fuck all

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>>138614615
http://foreignpolicy.com/2017/05/22/germany-is-quietly-building-a-european-army-under-its-command/

>>138628919
Under kike slave Merkel? The absolute horror this army will cause, probably not against other nations but against the white man who wont
>bend knee

>>138614615
>Germany not mobilize all of Europe into the army to fight The Soviets and the Anglos?

Anon they kinda sort of did, but it didn't work cause a lot of the countries they occupied didn't like their policies towards them (aka Slavs)

They treated Ukrainians like shit, Ukrainians at first regarded the Germans as liberating force, but that changed pretty quick.