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/pol/ communism general 2017-08-22 04:14:53 Post No. 138610588
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Hello Comrades. This general is for the discussion of Marxism-Leninism, the ideology of revolutionary socialism and communism.
Communism is the next stage of humanity following the capitalist stage.
What exactly is communism according to Marxist-Leninists:
>Communism is a stage of society in which the productive infrastructure is socially owned, and goods are produced not in order to sell for profit, but in order to meet a social need.
>Communism in it's full form is a stateless, classless society that follows the maxim "From each according to their ability, to each according to their need."
>To achieve such a society Marxism-Leninism teaches us that we must replace the capitalist state, which is controlled by the capitalist class, by a socialist state, which is controlled by the working class. Then, a period of class struggle follows in which the capitalist class is liquidated by the working class. When the capitalist class has been completely vanquished, there will be only one class, the working class, and eventually the functions of the state will become indistinguishable from the functions of the society as a whole, and the state as such will 'wither away' as Marx said.
https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1847/11/prin-com.htm
https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1848/communist-manifesto/
ML uses a philosophy called dialectical materialism, see here:
https://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/stalin/works/1938/09.htm
It is recommended that you read some of the critical works of Marxism-Leninism so you can make an informed assessment of the ideology.
Resources:
https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/sw/
https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/sw/
https://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/stalin/works/decades-index.htm
https://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/mao/selected-works/
https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1884/origin-family/
https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1914/mar/11.htm
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sounds p gay. I dont like starving to death
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>>138611041
no starving going here. your country is going to be red pretty soon
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Im a leftist. I dont support communism.
Please kindly fuck off.
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>>138610588
SHILLS GO HOME
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>>138611254
what are you? a filthy liberal
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Labour Theory of Value (LTV):
Non arguments:
>If I dig a hole in my backyard and then fill it in I used labor but made no value! Commies BTFO!
Marx clarified (unlike adam smith) that only socially nessary labor (labor used to produce a commodity with use value) creates value. This is also the case if you spend 1000 years making a bed.
>Nature can create value as well. If an apple falls from a tree then value is created without labor
Marx also noted nature could create value.
>if labor determines price why is coca cola cheaper than bottled water?
Labor doesn't determine price. It determines value (not exchange value or use value) and correlates with the equilibrium price. Supply and demand determine price.
Machines cannot create value. If I make a machine that makes diamonds out of thin air then the value of a diamond falls below that of bricks now that they can be aquired with no work what so ever. Price might not fall because you can still manipulate supply and demand but value certainly does.
Some definitions.
Use value = How useful an object is.
Exchange value = Market value of a commodity. Different from use value. You can sell a beanie baby for 200$ but it is almost completely useless.
Value = the amount of congealed labor withing a commodity.
Some evidence of the LTV
http://users.wfu.edu/cottrell/eea97.pdf
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>>138611197
OMG EPIC ANIME CUTE COMMUNISM srsly dude yr as cancerous as tumor. If you think Marxist-Leninist theory has room for anime or 4chan your retarded
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>>138611197
>no starving going here. your country is going to be red pretty soon
Ah, so then the starvation beings. Gotcha.
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Just do it
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everyone identifying themselves as a communist in this thread needs to redistribute all the parts of their pc to their local community, only fair
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>>138611566
>people can't draw cartoons of any kind in socialism or communism
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>>138611730
Personal property
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>>138611566
getting so trigered over a pic, get yourself together, retard.
what, did lenin say anime was forbiden?
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>>138611661
americans starving would be a goodthing, anon
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>>138611825
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>>138611825
edgy commies don't understand their own retarded ideology i'm actually confused by this
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>>138612543
private property =/= personal property in marxism
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>>138612543
care to explain? i dont see anything wrong here.
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Ah Communism, a political system so noble and obviously good it had to be enforced with brutal force, gulags.
> Communism wasn't true socialism. There has never been a true socialist country ever, so we'll never know!
Ah, Socialism, a political system so noble and obviously good no one has ever adopted it.
Sage this Bolshevik genocide apologia
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>>138612820
holy shit, USSR was socialist, cuba was socialist, china was socialist.
are you actually retarded, none of the classical marxists say this.
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>>138613021
how are three different countries all with differnent governments and styles of rule all examples of Socialism. Were the Nazis socialist in your book? dude i like can't tell if ur trolling or just really dumb
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>>138613021
I was demonstrating the cop-out / deflection / dishonesty all you silly Bolsheviks cannot escape when justifying your immoral murderous ideology.
Lenin and Stalin were both spook plants. Marx was a Satanist journo spook working against any meaningful reform, constantly guiding the masses away from the actual elites.
Oh and great point. USSR was socialist (and it was horrifying and shit) and modern day Russia (for all it's fucked-up ness) is a marked improvement.
Cuba's government is brutally repressive with one of the highest concentrations of secret police per square kilometre, probably comparable to Stazi.
China... dude.
Are you even trying or are you a secret friend helping me make my point?
Sage and point out Communism is morally bankrupt, and a quick historical analysis makes it obvious it was simply a murderous ploy so that Bolsheviks could off a bunch of Orthodox Christians.
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OMG I LOVE COMMIE SWASTIKAS. LEMME PUT IT ON SHIRT AND HAT
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>>138613281
cuba and the USSR was marxist-leninist, china was maoist, which is just a extention of marxist-leninism.
marxism-leninism is flexible to a degree. can you care to explain what you think is wrong here?
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>>138610588
Nihil sub sole novum
If it was the better system it would be the defacto system for most countries by now.
>hint
>it's not
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>>138610588
do commies accept that progressive liberalism is conformism/the status quo
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>>138614294
Liberals are social democratic capitalists
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>>138613833
The USSR and China operated on a rather similar system, whereas Cuba didn't have the excess manpower to enslave all the dissidents. Now answer my question, was the NSDAP socialist?
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Antifa are fake communists. Go kill yourselves.
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>>138614595
>they aren't REEEEEEEEEL Gommunists
>that wasn't REEEEEEEEEL Gommunism
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>>138610588
i quit reading at "next stage of humanity"
lol
take it easy bro, enjoy this bump, gonna close this tab tho.
lol... the fucking next stage LOL
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>>138610588
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>>138614927
(((you)))
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Go home reddit jew.
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>>138611520
Marx was a satanist shill hellbent on subverting any meaningful reform against the elites.
You are either a shill or stupid commie useful idiot.
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>>138615196
do you know how to reply and sage newfag?
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I notice you commie shills and useful idiots never like to respond to the fact that Marx was literally an agent of wealthy financial elites. He was Satanist, and not /anyone's guy/
http://mileswmathis.com/marx.pdf
He was a spook sent to make sure you lefty idiots only ever killed the enemies of the elites and each other.
Also, this thread has not organically reached the top.
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