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Hello Comrades. This general is for the discussion of Marxism-Leninism, the ideology of revolutionary socialism and communism.
Communism is the next stage of humanity following the capitalist stage.
What exactly is communism according to Marxist-Leninists:
>Communism is a stage of society in which the productive infrastructure is socially owned, and goods are produced not in order to sell for profit, but in order to meet a social need.
>Communism in it's full form is a stateless, classless society that follows the maxim "From each according to their ability, to each according to their need."
>To achieve such a society Marxism-Leninism teaches us that we must replace the capitalist state, which is controlled by the capitalist class, by a socialist state, which is controlled by the working class. Then, a period of class struggle follows in which the capitalist class is liquidated by the working class. When the capitalist class has been completely vanquished, there will be only one class, the working class, and eventually the functions of the state will become indistinguishable from the functions of the society as a whole, and the state as such will 'wither away' as Marx said.
https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1847/11/prin-com.htm
https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1848/communist-manifesto/
ML uses a philosophy called dialectical materialism, see here:
https://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/stalin/works/1938/09.htm
It is recommended that you read some of the critical works of Marxism-Leninism so you can make an informed assessment of the ideology.
Resources:
https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/sw/
https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/sw/
https://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/stalin/works/decades-index.htm
https://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/mao/selected-works/
https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1884/origin-family/
https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1914/mar/11.htm
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>>138578143
Will my Imam allow me to be a communist?
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>>138578143
Die Commie scum
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>>138578143
Hello there comrade, are there any audiobook collections that I could listen to on the go about the core principles of communism? Somewhat learning about all the major ideologies.
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>>138578143
You faggots never argue your points. You expect us to believe your autism for what it is. I have more respect for the fascists and libertarians here at least they argue their points.
Now let's give this a try shall we. How are you going to get to the stateless stage.
Also if your gonna post, post commie anime cuties.
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>>138579089
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC3F-KNVC9WLUIaeE0Tjl3sQ
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>>138579089
Also https://librivox.org/ has Marx audiobooks
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>>138579394
Well comrade are you going to convince me to believe in communism. In how it doesnt stagnate societies and the parry leaders will give up their power to achieve Marxists dream.
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Communism is the right way forward following the late capitalism stage. Get with it.
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some comrade made a thing
I don't really like it but perhaps it could REDpill the normalfags.
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>>138579089
79 GB of audiobooks
magnet:?xt=urn:btih:1af4ff9b596f1cb888f106736fb5f3a15b0289db&dn=Audiobooks&tr=udp%3a%2f%2ftracker.coppersurfer.tk%3a6969&tr=udp%3a%2f%2ftracker.leechers-paradise.org%3a6969&tr=udp%3a%2f%2ftracker.openbittorrent.com%3a80&tr=udp%3a%2f%2fopen.demonii.com%3a1337
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>>138579590
>the late capitalism stage.
Societies have been capitalistic since the birth of civilisation. How late are we anon?
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>>138579657
God fucking bless you, lad.
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>>138579616
Saved
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Hello gomrades! XDDDD Dis general is for disgussion of margsism-lebonnism, da ideology of revolutionary socialism and gommunism.
Gommunism is da next stage of guckery following real society.
Wat exagtly is gommunism according to gommies:
>Gommunism is a stage of guckery in which the produgtive infrustrugture runs away from gommie country, and no goods are produced and beeple starve. XDDDD
>Gommunism in full form is obressive, statist society dat follows maxim "gib gib gib!" :DDDD
>To achieve gommunism we must replace broduction with murderous obressive rulers liek me, fug working glass beeple. XDDDD Struggle while I liquidate you all lol. When capitalists run away we win and I kill you all. Eventually the functions of state cease and state becomes murderous and indistinguishable from other gommies. Da state withers away liek da people.
https://www.gommies.gom/fug/
https://www.gommies.gom/starve/
GL uses philosphy of gib and starve, see here:
https://www.gommies.gom/ohfugme/
It is recommend you kill yourself so you can avoid starving.
Resources:
https://www.gommies.gom/ohshid/
https://www.gommies.gom/1984/
https://www.gommies.gom/guck/
https://www.gommies.gom/probaganda/
https://www.gommies.gom/XDDDD/
https://www.gommies.gom/wheresfood/
https://www.gommies.gom/benis/
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Da sdages of gommunism.
>Sdage one
Bourgers aren't allowed to vode :DDD but otherwise da system is digtadorshib of gommies. Everything is stole by digtadors and digtadors rule all.
>Sdade two
Withering
All beeple who aren't digtador glass starve. XDDD Once glass disabears and we steal everything more beeple wither away. Bolice begome unnecessary as beeple are dead lol :DDDDD Central blanning begomes unnecessary begause sgarcity caused starving. Money is all ours.
>Sdage three
Gommunism.
No beeple. No food. My money. Much benis.
>Sdage four
Nod real gommunism. Move on to nexd goundry :DDDDDDD
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>>138579616
If you work really hard to accumulate wealth you have to give you shit to the lazy, ok got it.
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Hello gomrades! XDDDD Dis general is for disgussion of margsism-lebonnism, da ideology of revolutionary socialism and gommunism.
Gommunism is da next stage of guckery following real society.
Wat exagtly is gommunism according to gommies:
>Gommunism is a stage of guckery in which the produgtive infrustrugture runs away from gommie country, and no goods are produced and beeple starve. XDDDD
>Gommunism in full form is obressive, statist society dat follows maxim "gib gib gib!" :DDDD
>To achieve gommunism we must replace broduction with murderous obressive rulers liek me, fug working glass beeple. XDDDD Struggle while I liquidate you all lol. When capitalists run away we win and I kill you all. Eventually the functions of state cease and state becomes murderous and indistinguishable from other gommies. Da state withers away liek da people.
https://www.gommies.gom/fug/
https://www.gommies.gom/starve/
GL uses philosphy of gib and starve, see here:
https://www.gommies.gom/ohfugme/
It is recommend you kill yourself so you can avoid starving.
Resources:
https://www.gommies.gom/ohshid/
https://www.gommies.gom/1984/
https://www.gommies.gom/guck/
https://www.gommies.gom/probaganda/
https://www.gommies.gom/XDDDD/
https://www.gommies.gom/wheresfood/
https://www.gommies.gom/benis/
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Da sdages of gommunism.
>Sdage one
Bourgers aren't allowed to vode :DDD but otherwise da system is digtadorshib of gommies. Everything is stole by digtadors and digtadors rule all.
>Sdade two
Withering
All beeple who aren't digtador glass starve. XDDD Once glass disabears and we steal everything more beeple wither away. Bolice begome unnecessary as beeple are dead lol :DDDDD Central blanning begomes unnecessary begause sgarcity caused starving. Money is all ours.
>Sdage three
Gommunism.
No beeple. No food. My money. Much benis.
VIGDORY DAYYY FOR AUDISM :DDD!!!! XDDDDD
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>>138579916
that's welfare capitalism (socialdemocracy) not socialism...
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>>138578143
communists kilked more than hitler the last century
you still want to be a commie ? if you want to kill people so desperately i think mafia pays better :p
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>>138578143
Hello gomrades! XDDDD Dis general is for disgussion of margsism-lebonnism, da ideology of revolutionary socialism and gommunism.
Gommunism is da next stage of guckery following real society.
Wat exagtly is gommunism according to gommies:
>Gommunism is a stage of guckery in which the produgtive infrustrugture runs away from gommie country, and no goods are produced and beeple starve. XDDDD
>Gommunism in full form is obressive, statist society dat follows maxim "gib gib gib!" :DDDD
>To achieve gommunism we must replace broduction with murderous obressive rulers liek me, fug working glass beeple. XDDDD Struggle while I liquidate you all lol. When capitalists run away we win and I kill you all. Eventually the functions of state cease and state becomes murderous and indistinguishable from other gommies. Da state withers away liek da people.
https://www.gommies.gom/fug/
https://www.gommies.gom/starve/
GL uses philosphy of gib and starve, see here:
https://www.gommies.gom/ohfugme/
It is recommend you kill yourself so you can avoid starving.
Resources:
https://www.gommies.gom/ohshid/
https://www.gommies.gom/1984/
https://www.gommies.gom/guck/
https://www.gommies.gom/probaganda/
https://www.gommies.gom/XDDDD/
https://www.gommies.gom/wheresfood/
https://www.gommies.gom/benis/
Da sdages of gommunism.
>Sdage one
Bourgers aren't allowed to vode :DDD but otherwise da system is digtadorshib of gommies. Everything is stole by digtadors and digtadors rule all.
>Sdade two
Withering
All beeple who aren't digtador glass starve. XDDD Once glass disabears and we steal everything more beeple wither away. Bolice begome unnecessary as beeple are dead lol :DDDDD Central blanning begomes unnecessary begause sgarcity caused starving. Money is all ours.
>Sdage three
Gommunism.
No beeple. No food. My money. Much benis.
>Sdage four
Nod real gommunism. Move on to nexd goundry :DDDDDDD
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>>138579898
>>138580067
>>138580283
Lmfaoooooooo!!! Never change /pol/
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Hello gomrades! XDDDD Dis general is for disgussion of margsism-lebonnism, da ideology of rebolutionary socialism and gommunism.
Gommunism is da next stage of guckery following real society.
Wat exagtly is gommunism aggording to gommies:
>Gommunism is a stage of guckery in which the produgtive infrustrugture runs away from gommie country, and no goods are produced and beeple starve. XDDDD
>Gommunism in full form is obressive, statist society dat follows maxim "gib gib gib!" :DDDD
>To achieve gommunism we must replace broduction with murderous obressive rulers liek me, fug working glass beeple. XDDDD Struggle while I liquidate you all lol. When capitalists run away we win and I kill you all. Eventually the functions of state cease and state becomes murderous and indistinguishable from other gommies. Da state withers away liek da people.
https://www.gommies.gom/fug/
https://www.gommies.gom/starve/
GL uses philosphy of gib and starve, see here:
https://www.gommies.gom/ohfugme/
It is recommend you kill yourself so you can avoid starving.
Resources:
https://www.gommies.gom/ohshid/
https://www.gommies.gom/1984/
https://www.gommies.gom/guck/
https://www.gommies.gom/probaganda/
https://www.gommies.gom/XDDDD/
https://www.gommies.gom/wheresfood/
https://www.gommies.gom/benis/
Da sdages of gommunism.
>Sdage one
Bourgers aren't allowed to vode :DDD but otherwise da system is digtadorshib of gommies. Everything is stole by digtadors and digtadors rule all.
>Sdade two
Withering
All beeple who aren't digtador glass starve. XDDD Once glass disabears and we steal everything more beeple wither away. Bolice begome unnecessary as beeple are dead lol :DDDDD Central blanning begomes unnecessary begause sgarcity caused starving. Money is all ours.
>Sdage three
Gommunism.
No beeple. No food. My money. Much benis.
>Sdage four
Nod real gommunism. Move on to nexd goundry :DDDDDDD
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>>138578143
Hello gomrades! XDDDD Dis general is for disgussion of margsism-lebonnism, da ideology of revolutionary socialism and gommunism.
Gommunism is da next stage of guckery following real society.
Wat exagtly is gommunism according to gommies:
>Gommunism is a stage of guckery in which the produgtive infrustrugture runs away from gommie country, and no goods are produced and beeple starve. XDDDD
>Gommunism in full form is obressive, statist society dat follows maxim "gib gib gib!" :DDDD
>To achieve gommunism we must replace broduction with murderous obressive rulers liek me, fug working glass beeple. XDDDD Struggle while I liquidate you all lol. When capitalists run away we win and I kill you all. Eventually the functions of state cease and state becomes murderous and indistinguishable from other gommies. Da state withers away liek da people.
https://www.gommies.gom/fug/
https://www.gommies.gom/starve/
GL uses philosphy of gib and starve, see here:
https://www.gommies.gom/ohfugme/
It is recommend you kill yourself so you can avoid starving.
Resources:
https://www.gommies.gom/ohshid/
https://www.gommies.gom/1984/
https://www.gommies.gom/guck/
https://www.gommies.gom/probaganda/
https://www.gommies.gom/XDDDD/
https://www.gommies.gom/wheresfood/
https://www.gommies.gom/benis/
Da sdages of gommunism.
>Sdage one
Bourgers aren't allowed to vode :DDD but otherwise da system is digtadorshib of gommies. Everything is stole by digtadors and digtadors rule all.
>Sdade two
Withering
All beeple who aren't digtador glass starve. XDDD Once glass disabears and we steal everything more beeple wither away. Bolice begome unnecessary as beeple are dead lol :DDDDD Central blanning begomes unnecessary begause sgarcity caused starving. Money is all ours.
>Sdage three
Gommunism.
No beeple. No food. My money. Much benis.
>Sdage four
Nod real gommunism. Move on to nexd goundry :DDDDDDD
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>>138580082
You right socialism removes my ability to make wealth for myself. I would literally work to feed others. There is no incentive in the system to advance.
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>>138580811
It's a system designed to benefit the weak, what did you expect?
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>>138580067
>an aussie shitposting, but for the good cause
this time we fight at the same front.
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Hello gomrades! XDDDD Dis general is for disgussion of margsism-lebonnism, da ideology of rebolutionary socialism and gommunism.
Gommunism is da next stage of guckery following real society.
Wat exagtly is gommunism aggording to gommies:
>Gommunism is a stage of guckery in which the produgtive infrustrugture runs away from gommie country, and no goods are produced and beeple starve. XDDDD
>Gommunism in full form is obressive, statist society dat follows maxim "gib gib gib!" :DDDD
>To achieve gommunism we must replace broduction with murderous obressive rulers liek me, fug working glass beeple. XDDDD Struggle while I liquidate you all lol. When capitalists run away we win and I kill you all. Eventually the functions of state cease and state becomes murderous and indistinguishable from other gommies. Da state withers away liek da people.
https://www.gommies.gom/fug/
https://www.gommies.gom/starve/
GL uses philosphy of gib and starve, see here:
https://www.gommies.gom/ohfugme/
It is recommend you kill yourself so you can avoid starving.
Resources:
https://www.gommies.gom/ohshid/
https://www.gommies.gom/1984/
https://www.gommies.gom/guck/
https://www.gommies.gom/probaganda/
https://www.gommies.gom/XDDDD/
https://www.gommies.gom/wheresfood/
https://www.gommies.gom/benis/
Da sdages of gommunism.
>Sdage one
Bourgers aren't allowed to vode :DDD but otherwise da system is digtadorshib of gommies. Everything is stole by digtadors and digtadors rule all.
>Sdade two
Withering
All beeple who aren't digtador glass starve. XDDD Once glass disabears and we steal everything more beeple wither away. Bolice begome unnecessary as beeple are dead lol :DDDDD Central blanning begomes unnecessary begause sgarcity caused starving. Money is all ours.
>Sdage three
Gommunism.
No beeple. No food. My money. Much benis.
>Sdage four
Nod real gommunism. Move on to nexd goundry :DDDDDDD
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>>138580811
Wrong, you receive labor vouchers (not money, a certificate of the labor time you have socialized) for exchange for luxury products.
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>>138580961
just a bit of banter mate :^)
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>>138581026
so yeah it's not wealth but you still can get luxury items if you work harder
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The reason communists never debate their political belief here is because the system doesnt stand up to scrutiny. They much rather shitpost and run. /pol/ is the worst place for this tactic. Let's be honest to win a debate here you have to engage. Posting pasta like >>138578143 doesnt help their cause. If you want to win converts commies engage in discussion.
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>>138581026
>Labour vouchers
.... so money.
How is this any different to capitalism?
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theres no use in making these threads op. no one on /pol/ has read a book in their entire lives. just go to leftypol
also: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=93cO8Dxtkkc
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>>138581325
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>>138581340
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>>138580882
>communism
>means controlled by citizens (its controlled by government)
>work day determined by the workers
>free immediate access to the ABUNDANCE of production
>no state
man, that is some hilarious propaganda.
None of that is remotely true. Its all a bold faced lie that will never ever happen.
>communism
>abundance
>communism
>immediate access
that alone is hilarious.
You have to be a true useful idiot to believe anything on that propaganda is or ever will be true.
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>>138581225
ket we can draw certain implications:
(1) The certificates do not circulate; they can only be directly exchanged
against consumer goods.
(2) Like many tickets they would be non-transferable. Only the person who
had performed the labour could use them.
(3) They would be cancelled after a single use, just as a theatre ticket is
destroyed on entry to the theatre. When individuals withdrew goods
from a shop their vouchers would be cancelled. The shop, as a communal
organisation, has no need to buy in goods, it is just allocated them, so its
only interest in the labour vouchers is for record-keeping purposes.
(4) They would not serve as a store of value. They could have a ‘use by’ date
on them. Unless individuals redeemed their share of this year’s output
by the end of the year, it would be assumed that they did not want it.
If labour tokens are not spent then the goods that embodied the labour
would not be used. Many goods are perishable and they would have to be
disposed of somehow.
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>>138581325
desu im only opposed to 1964
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>>138581428
Note that these certificates of labour performed are quite distinct from
money. They can only be obtained by labour and can only be exchanged against
consumer goods. In another passage Marx argues that Robert Owen’s so-called
‘labour money’ was not money at all
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>>138581340
its because of living standards you utter dumbass
if danish people were as poor and as desparate for jobs as us people are conditions would be the same there
regulations would only fuck up the situation additionally and drag even more people into poverty
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>>138581340
Minimum wage does not exist in Denmark, nor is it socialist. It actually has a more free market than the US.
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>>138581428
Nowadays one need not think in terms of paper certificates of work done.
Instead we can envisage the use of some form of labour credit card which keeps
track of how much work you have done. Deductions from your social labour
credit account could be made by filling in a slip, or using a direct debit terminal.
We are presented by Marx with a model—a skeletal one but a clear one—
of a socialist society in which there are no commodities (i.e. goods produced
specifically for exchange on a market). People are paid in labour credits for work
done. Deductions are made for communal needs. Goods are distributed on the
basis of their labour content, with corresponding deductions from people’s credit
accounts. Production is organised on a directly social basis with intermediate
products never assuming the form of commodities
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>>138581325
>>138581340
>>138581358
>Good social and economic reform in liberal democracies means we should hand over our liberal democracies to communism because comminat believe this shit.
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>>138581592
In a computerized planned economy socialism transparent to the entire working class
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>>138581026
Then how does that make me equal with the person who does next to nothing for anyone's benefit? Surely they should receive a voucher too for being the burden on society which I must work to compensate for.
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Hello gomrades! XDDDD Dis general is for disgussion of margsism-lebonnism, da ideology of rebolutionary socialism and gommunism.
Gommunism is da next stage of guckery following real society.
Wat exagtly is gommunism aggording to gommies:
>Gommunism is a stage of guckery in which the produgtive infrustrugture runs away from gommie country, and no goods are produced and beeple starve. XDDDD
>Gommunism in full form is obressive, statist society dat follows maxim "gib gib gib!" :DDDD
>To achieve gommunism we must replace broduction with murderous obressive rulers liek me, fug working glass beeple. XDDDD Struggle while I liquidate you all lol. When capitalists run away we win and I kill you all. Eventually the functions of state cease and state becomes murderous and indistinguishable from other gommies. Da state withers away liek da people.
https://www.gommies.gom/fug/
https://www.gommies.gom/starve/
GL uses philosphy of gib and starve, see here:
https://www.gommies.gom/ohfugme/
It is recommend you kill yourself so you can avoid starving.
Resources:
https://www.gommies.gom/ohshid/
https://www.gommies.gom/1984/
https://www.gommies.gom/guck/
https://www.gommies.gom/probaganda/
https://www.gommies.gom/XDDDD/
https://www.gommies.gom/wheresfood/
https://www.gommies.gom/benis/
Da sdages of gommunism.
>Sdage one
Bourgers aren't allowed to vode :DDD but otherwise da system is digtadorshib of gommies. Everything is stole by digtadors and digtadors rule all.
>Sdade two
Withering
All beeple who aren't digtador glass starve. XDDD Once glass disabears and we steal everything more beeple wither away. Bolice begome unnecessary as beeple are dead lol :DDDDD Central blanning begomes unnecessary begause sgarcity caused starving. Money is all ours.
>Sdage three
Gommunism.
No beeple. No food. My money. Much benis.
>Sdage four
Nod real gommunism. Move on to nexd goundry :DDDDDDD
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>>138578143
Fuck of commie scum
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>>138581428
Just a way of keeping the poor, poor.
Your money cant be saved so people can never move beyond their current conditions of living, the money cant be given to others or accumulated with a group to increase purchasing power of that group and the money can only be used to purchase state sanctioned products.
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>>138580283
How gome non of da links work XDDD
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>>138581888
Gos gommunism doesnt work
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>>138581495
> They can only be obtained by labour and can only be exchanged against
consumer goods.
So you're disallowing private citizens to do business and trade amongst themselves? All trades must be done through government officials?
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>>138582000
Yea this is exactly what he's saying. Whats more if your mum is sick you can't give her any of these tokens to buy shit because she's not working. She put no work in she get nuffin.
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>>138581428
>non-transferable
no passing down inheritance to offspring
no private trades between citizens
>They could have a ‘use by’ date
on them
no accumulation of weath
>>138582000
Your system is evil and flawed to the core. People like you should be flogged in the streets for being so stupid.
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>>138582138
Yep, I hear you. Commies are fucking pieces of shit. I would gladly execute commies. They deserve only death before they infect more stupid people with their mind plague.
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>>138582284
The problem is that it sounds fucking great on paper, that is the only reason why the ideology has lasted so long despite the fall of every communist nation.
Communism stifles innovation And innitiative. It reduces people to slaves in service of the state. Stagnation is inevitable in communist societies.
The state pretends to pay, the people pretend to work.
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>>138582552
meh, it doesn't sound to great on paper to you and I. Perhaps we just have a level of foresight beyond other people.
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>>138580882
>this fucking stupid infograph
Are you guys even trying???
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SMELLY DUMB COMMIE SCUM
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Hello gomrades! XDDDD Dis general is for disgussion of margsism-lebonnism, da ideology of revolutionary socialism and gommunism.
Gommunism is da next stage of guckery following real society.
Wat exagtly is gommunism according to gommies:
>Gommunism is a stage of guckery in which the produgtive infrustrugture runs away from gommie country, and no goods are produced and beeple starve. XDDDD
>Gommunism in full form is obressive, statist society dat follows maxim "gib gib gib!" :DDDD
>To achieve gommunism we must replace broduction with murderous obressive rulers liek me, fug working glass beeple. XDDDD Struggle while I liquidate you all lol. When capitalists run away we win and I kill you all. Eventually the functions of state cease and state becomes murderous and indistinguishable from other gommies. Da state withers away liek da people.
https://www.gommies.gom/fug/
https://www.gommies.gom/starve/
GL uses philosphy of gib and starve, see here:
https://www.gommies.gom/ohfugme/
It is recommend you kill yourself so you can avoid starving.
Resources:
https://www.gommies.gom/ohshid/
https://www.gommies.gom/1984/
https://www.gommies.gom/guck/
https://www.gommies.gom/probaganda/
https://www.gommies.gom/XDDDD/
https://www.gommies.gom/wheresfood/
https://www.gommies.gom/benis/
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Da sdages of gommunism.
>Sdage one
Bourgers aren't allowed to vode :DDD but otherwise da system is digtadorshib of gommies. Everything is stole by digtadors and digtadors rule all.
>Sdade two
Withering
All beeple who aren't digtador glass starve. XDDD Once glass disabears and we steal everything more beeple wither away. Bolice begome unnecessary as beeple are dead lol :DDDDD Central blanning begomes unnecessary begause sgarcity caused starving. Money is all ours.
>Sdage three
Gommunism.
No beeple. No food. My money. Much benis.
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