Daily reminder that Ethnonationalism doesn't work, ask Japan

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Hello?
Japan?, does ethnonaitiosnsmmanishm work?

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>>138575195
>He doesn't know about natsoc policies to increase the birth rate

>>138575195

They will die like that tho'

That's why I love the Japs so fucking much.

Rather dead than cucked or mixed

>>138575195
Wait, so when they were doing well, Japan wasn't an ethno-nationalist state?

>>138575195
Wow, so the economy shrinks in proportion to the population? You're a real genius

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>the world is severely overpopulated right now! we (that is to say, whites :^) ) need to cut back on our population!
>UH OH, this homogeneous, densely populated tiny island nation has a dip in their birth rate! better let in tons of barbaric shitskin savages to rectify that!

Japan is the only developed country that controls our borders. In one generation all foreign countries will be retarded and black and only we will have electricity.

>>138575195
Implying humans serve the economy rather than the other way around.

>>138575195
>japan still has 200 years before they get to a dangerous pop level
>but gooyss ethno is very bad for the system

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>>138575326
Make sure to let Japan know, funny they haven't stumbled across Hitlers magical cure-all to declining populations

>>138575450
>One of the most successful nations of the 20th century slowly becoming irrelevant because they don't like brown or people
Yeah so alpha

>>138575476
Well yeah they were a protectionist mercantile shit hole for most their history, pretty much any policy apart from that will spur growth

>>138575987
It's not magical you retard, it's financial/
First kid large loan to cover costs of raising a child, second same amount but not a loan, third kid same amount and the first loan doesn't need to be paid back.

It's a pretty simple system and the one they are now implementing in Hungary.
Definitely better than being flooded with fucking shitskins that rape and destroy housing prices.

>>138575620
>dip
They've been below replacement since 1975

>>138576200
Almost every country has financial incentives to have children (including Japan) and they still have tiny birthrates. I don't deny that it helps raise fertility but no reasonable financial incentive can double births per woman.

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>>138576200
Fuck, I'd love that. Here I am in the US pumping my wife full of babies trying to save the white race on my own dime. Damn.

>>138575195
It does work tho.

question for the white nationalist burgers, how exactly do you plan on kicking out the 49% of the country that is not white? How are you going to trick the people you're trying to kick out to vote to eliminate the 14th amendment in order to make the process constitutional?

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>>138575195
What the fuck are you on about. Japan is already too crowded. Logically it makes sense to have less fucking kids. Invest time and energy into technology and automation if you want a more prosperous nation.

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>>138575450
Literally what is the difference between them allegedly "dying" of their own accord, and a horde of shitskins replacing a provably dying population? Dignity?

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>>138576436
It's completely unfeasible. Many would disagree with me but while I might have the ideal dream scenarios (no, they don't include genociding groups of people) I understand they are a complete pipe dream, and follow the general principle of picrelated.jpg

>>138576839
Then that's not white nationalism

Nikkei is aroung 19,5K so you're wrong OP.
Birth rate is actually 1,45 so you're wrong again.
GDP per capita did grow from 2000-2017, so wrong again.
/thread

>>138576927
Ok, you go ahead and tell me what I believe in. Please.

>>138576964
OP BTFO

>>138575195
Ethnonationalism worked pretty well for the last 2000 years before the 1960s.

>>138576964
HOW WILL OP EVER RECOVER?

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>>138575195
And yet Japan's quality of life has not changed much. Also, Japan is over-populated. In the long run, a reduction in population will be beneficial. You've just been tricked by the stock market Jew.

>>138576624
Automation has always created more jobs though

>Japan is already too crowded. Logically it makes sense to have less fucking kids
Japan isn't like one big city, they aren't running out of space any time soon. They have less kids because:

1. People are way richer and don't need children to care for them in their old age
2. Children don't die nearly as much

>>138576990
You've apparently redefined "being a good person" to mean white nationalism

This is just a prelude to robot servants.
Japan will be fine.

>>138576436
Separate the country in two: one white ethno-state and one brown communist hellhole.
Of course, no immigration from the brown shithole to the white state.

>>138576964
>>138577024
>>138577062
this board has ids you know

Isnt that mostly because of japans men being a bunch of pansies and if they arent that they are 200% business mode no time for sirry women?

>>138575195
I'll bite.

Japan has been ethnonationalist for decades - no, actually, centuries. In that time, Japan has risen to dizzying heights and also experienced devastating periods of loss and defeat.

That we are in a particular period in time where Japan is having trouble doesn't mean it's because of ethonationalism. Indeed, the Japanese were even MORE ethnonationalist BEFORE. I can point at the EXACT same data as you and say, "Daily reminder that moving away from ethnonationalism doesn't work, ask Japan."

Looking at one country over a couple of decades doesn't tell you much. There have been highly successful ethnonationalist nations and highly unsuccessful ones. Clearly, you're gonna need a more nuanced explanation for why nations rise and fall. You also provide no superior alternative. What should Japan be pursuing instead? Socialism? Mass importation of Malaysians? I'm genuinely curious.

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>>138577062
>>138577024
>>138576964

Reminder that Japan has so little crime that the police struggle to find things to do.

>>138575195
Daily reminder multiculturalism doesn't work and OP is a kike shill.

The same people who cry REEEEEE overpopulation always criticize Japan's decline in birth rates and shill for immigration to """fix""" it.
Do you even have the ability to think?

>>138577427
The goyim are dumb animals.

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>>138577104
>Japan isn't like one big city, they aren't running out of space any time soon.
Lol at a fucking Aussie arguing that.
Your country is more than 20x larger than Japan, yet you have a population that's 5 times smaller. Your density is thus ~1/100th of Japan's. Yes, Japan is literally like one big city.

>>138577299
Pretty much this, but you left out that this is the only time in the history of Japan in which it has been effectively under the control of a foreign power, which in this case is the USA to top it off.

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>birthrate up
>growth rate up
>not working

>>138575195
Only one solution then! Better throw open the floodgates to millions of fucking Iranians and Syrians to go with the thousands already here muddying up the place.

Our culture worked fine, Imperialism worked fine, it was only the American occupation, suppression of our culture and forced adherence to Liberal Democracy that led to our society degenerating.

t. Japanon on Holiday

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>>138575195
Mass immigration doesn't cure the problem of an ageing population and decreasing birthrates, it just postpones it.

Fact is, the pill needs to go.

>>138577481
Japan is less densely populated than many European countries (Netherlands,...). Fuck off, they have plenty of space.

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>>138575195

>>138577576
>REEEE white ethnic cleansing is a myth

>>138577576
Im gonna assume the left axis is "fucks given about unlabelled graphs", since we all know the average birthrate in Ireland in the 60s was 17 children per woman.

>>138577576
I'm not convinced by your graph as it shows the begin of a systematic decline even before the pill became legalised.
Do you have more convincing data for your thesis?

>>138577619
>Netherlands 17 million, 448 people per km^3
>Japan 127 million, 336 people per km^3
Yupp, 100% comparable

>>138577576
We need to mass sterilise the inferior races in our countries, then we need to sterilise the retarded, then we need to ban the pill and ban abortion (except for the inferior races).

>>138577619
>implying much of Western Europe isn't itself already over-populated.
You think American prosperity is a mystery? It's because they have space and resources. Why do you think Canada is so wealthy while they engage in the most retarded immigration policies imaginable? It's because they have the luxury of space. You can do things in the US, in Canada, in Australia that are not feasible or simply impossible in Europe for that reason.

Why has no one pointed out that the expectation to work insane hours makes it hard to have large families?

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>>138577150
Do I now have to argue against being a good person in order to try and fit myself into whatever your definition of a white nationalist is? Its unfeasible in your mind that they could be the same thing or overlap. The portion about preserving one's legacy and instilling your children with your ideals was the blanket term for teaching them about other races and the jew, then again I wouldn't connect a negative connotation with those either. Are you looking for something evil about me? Am I not evil enough to fit your definition? Perhaps frothing at the mouth saying gas the kikes race war now would fit the narrative. Then I'd be like the "Nazis" on television with their tattoos, stints in prison for nigger-tier crimes, and lack of education. That would probably make more sense to you.

>>138577756
No data to back up my idea but if you look at the dates you see the birthrate began declining with the end of the hippy movement (and the conservative reaction that prevented them from getting a foothold in public institutions) and the beginning of the radical left being introduced and welcomed into educational institutes in the 70s. Was 1971-73 the years it all went wrong?

>>138577848
*km2 not km^3

Daily reminder that an expanding economy is not necessary for anything.

I have defeated the Jewish Globalist.

>>138576792
Birthrates oscillate naturally. When space frees up and the costs of living drop, people have more kids again.
When you ensure that every apartment that frees up is immediately filled with a new shitskin family that birthrate recovery will never come.

>>138577969
or that you are being taxed to death on top of it so some non-white can shit out 8 kids.

It'll be such a shitshow if they open the floodgates. I'm actually curious how the crime charts and other stats will look but I guess it is easy to imagine. The GDP will be more interesting because according to economy faggots every nigger adds to it purely by existing.

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Japan should legalize same-sex marriage, allow females to succeed the emperor, and elect a kawaii trans woman as their prime minister.

>>138578045
might be. just from the data it seems like the decline started in the early 70s.
The pill might have accelerated the decline, but my guess is that it just amplified the problem and didn't cause it.

>>138577969
Because the thought that they are essentially nothing more than cattle has already been drilled into their head so brutally that they don't even question it anymore.

Just listen to globalists talk for a while. It's fairly obvious that they don't see citizens (or immigrants) as humans, but rather as resource that can be freely expended to raise the GDP a bit so there's more to leech for the elite.

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>>138577751
Didn't realise that it wasn't labelled, but the data is out there. You can google those sources that graph provides to find more.

>>138577756
The line was approaching an asymptote at just below 3.4 births per woman on that graph after the sexual revolution and end of the baby boom in the 1960s. If you look at the birth rate per thousand instead, like in pic related, it looks like it was actually starting to rise again before 1980.

Compare this data to other Western countries where contraception was legalised earlier, and they typically show a large decline, or an increase in that decline, around the point it was legalised or popularised. Ireland is a special case as the pill was illegal in Ireland until 1980, long after the end of the sexual revolution.

Sorry if this is rushed, need to go out soon

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>>138577299
I mean of course it isn't as simple as one cause one effect but I honestly can't see it as anything other than highly ideological if you deny that Japans low growth and high debt aren't in part due to their immigration policy.

Immigrants are far more likely to start businesses, skilled immigrants are a boon for government budgets and immigrants have known positive impacts on wages and employment. Immigrants also tend to be young which could certainly help in getting Japans age problem (and thus social security) under control.

https://fee.org/articles/immigrants-are-twice-as-likely-to-start-a-business-lets-let-them/
http://www.budgetmodel.wharton.upenn.edu/issues/2016/1/27/the-effects-of-immigration-on-the-united-states-economy

>>138578148
>according to economy faggots every nigger adds to it purely by existing
Well, short term at least.
Generally your native population will put some money on the side, either for the future education of their children, for larger projects like building a house or for retirement. And the state cannot easily get their hands on that money.

So what they do instead is to import shitloads of leeches, tax the native population higher and then hand all that money to the leeches because they know they'll keep it in constant circulation.
If there's one thing the elite hates it's people with reasonable spending habits. It's easy to grab a couple cent every time the money changes hands, it's way harder to grab money that's in a long term deposit.
The more often each individual coin changes hands, the more they can take from it.

>>138577517
Well said
t. Canadian on holiday

>>138578425
Do niggers unironically believe this shit? They aren't sending doctor and surgeons.

>>138575195

How's China
How's every Euro country last century
How's India

>>138578425
You know perfectly well that it wouldn't stop there though. The moment you give them one inch they'll use that precedent to open the floodgates wide and let every single fucker into the country, and will start selling the country's assets to foreign investors for those short term benefits.

What Japan is doing is rejecting short term solutions that would definitely fuck them over long term.

>>138578425
>Immigrants are far more likely to start businesses
>skilled immigrants
Off yourself.

The thing about sterility whether it is caused physically or culturally offspring does not inherit it cuz there are none.

Only the fertile make the next generation.
Call it the cleansing invisible hand of natural selection.

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>>138578607
>>138578695
I was speaking specifically of skilled but low skilled workers are also incredibly important especially in places like Europe and Japan where native populations are becoming more and more educated. Even if they were to literally take in refugees they'd end up better for it :

>"Using the NBER TAXSIM program, we estimate that refugees pay $21,000 more in taxes than they receive in benefits over their first 20 years in the U.S"

http://www.nber.org/papers/w23498

>>138578947
>Daniel Fitzgerald
>(((Fitzgerald)))
https://www.ft.com/content/838d60c2-0961-11e7-97d1-5e720a26771b
https://www.thelocal.se/20160531/fewer-than-500-of-163000-asylum-seekers-found-jobs
Migrants sure do help their countries.

>>138578947
>>"Using the NBER TAXSIM program, we estimate that refugees pay $21,000 more in taxes than they receive in benefits over their first 20 years in the U.S"
>in the U.S.

Entirely worthless statement because we are talking about Japan and Europe, not about the US.

>>138579031
They honestly think they are going to keep pushing their propaganda and maybe useful idiots will believe it.

>>138577619
>Fuck off, they have plenty of space.
Yeah but half of that is volcanoes and radiation impact zones

>>138575261
Working just fine.

>>138578054
To be fair, in the larger cities km^3 might be a reasonable value too, seeing how they basically stack them on top of each other.

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>>138575261
Wrong number this is Canada

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>>138579031
>"...first 20 years..."
They speak a different language and come from an entirely different economy its retarded to gauge any of these things over a few years.

>>138579035
Two areas with even higher average ages?

>>138575987
Japan is massively overpopulated. That's why their population is declining naturally

>>138579750
>Mahmoud moved to Sweden 10 years ago from Iraq.
>“I want to work but I can’t find anything,” says Mahmoud, now in his fifties. “I want to go home to Basra [in southern Iraq].”

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>>138575195
But Japan also has a shrinking population. Wouldn't the best metric be measuring the productivity of each worker? 5 people splitting 100$ vs 20 people splitting 200$. The second example is higher GDP but lower worker productivity

>>138579750
Who gives a fuck about the economy? Japan has the lowest crime rate in the world. You can leave your wallet on the table of a restaurant, come back three days later and it will still be there, all money intact

Turning Japan into yet another multi-culti cesspool would ruin everything they have

>>138576792
Yes. Honor is important to the Japanese
http://i.4cdn.org/wsg/1502819187958.webm

>>138579750
You have to be a jew on a trip to Aus because the bullshit you peddle actually hurts to read.
Yes let millions of them come and leech welfare for 20 years and then maybe a third of them will pay for themselves.
They are a drain on the economy everywhere, and bring nothing worthwile with them. Fuck off.

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>massively overpopulated country, specifically in the metro areas where birth rates are actually falling
>birth rates and population is declining
>THIS IS A BAD THING GOYIM PROOF THAT WE SHOULD ALL BE MORE LIKE BRAZIL DO YOU WANT YOUR HERITAGE TO DIE FOREVER? BEING A RACIST EVERTHINGPHOBIC BIGOT WILL ACTUALLY DESTROY THE LIVE, SCHEE?

>100 lears later
>pic related is the US
>japan is still japan

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>>138579906
>Germany is lost

>>138580012
>They are a drain on the economy everywhere, and bring nothing worthwile with them. Fuck off.
>>138578947

>>138580012
Cut the crap and say what you really mean.

They're a drain on the gene pool. They're unskilled laborers by nature and criminals when there are no more ditches to be dug. It's all they can do, and when your daughter or son takes one of them, it's all your grandkids can do too.

>>138580069
>believe this obvious propaganda
>look at all the places it didn't help in real life

>>138580202
Sorry then they just got to go.

>>138580069
You posted a biased USA data, obviously everyone who ran to america wanted to work, learn the language and chased the american dream. Dont you dare comparing it with influx of uneducated niggers and mudslimes you filthy fucking kike.

>>138580069
Did you know that blacks in America have the same murder rate as Zimbabwe?
Whites in America have the same murder rate as Belgium, or any other typical European country.

Over 50% of America's murders are committed by blacks.

>>138580280
>everyone who ran to america wanted to work
fucking lol

>>138575195
>the only meaning of life is to brag about higher numbers

I dont care about being a rich country but a serbian one.

>>138580069
Lel, even our minister of justice openly stated that violent crime is up and that it's all down due to the asylum seekers.
Fuck off with your faked statistics.

>>138575195
>stock exchange performance
>overall society

Learn something. Anything. You seem to lack knowledge

>>138580346
Look at your immigraiton laws these days, you have no to have uni education, invest 1 million $ or have to have family already in USA. People dont run away from EU to leech welfare and food stamps in USA. What he is talking about is limitless uncontroled influx bottom of the barrel blacks and mudfaces.

>>138577481
I'm more interested in the dark void that is best corea.

>>138575195
Because they lost the war and got jewed. Before they were fine. Hell, they were even forced to open their country to trade

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>>138575195

White nationalism >> japs nationalism >> Some fuckup shit skin nationalism

>he thinks gook are better than white

>even history prove that nazi germany was industrial nation and japanese are developing country but still feudal society

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alternative explanation: Every gook wants a white waifu, but they live in gookland so they can't have it

literally the equivalent of every white man in sweden refusing to settle than less for a pure flat chested nip gf but living in the land of big blonde titties

>>138580261
>Fuck peer reviewed journals and fuck crime statistics I'm going to watch videos of black people beating up white kids

>>138580280
>Dont you dare comparing it with influx of uneducated niggers and mudslimes you filthy fucking kike.
These are the same refugees they're just in America

>>138580312
hmm something tells me that there might be some confounding factors here

>>138577993
>your definition of a white nationalist is

No, I'm using the dictionary definition of white nationalism. Someone that wants a white only ethno-state.

>>138580430
They're BKA stats, source the ministers statement

>>138577619
Netherlands is one big green meadow, Japan is a bunch of rocks.

>>138580643
>confounding factors

like a growing lack of low-skill jobs to occupy dumb monkeys who, dumb as they are, still need and outlet for their urges and a source of money for food and shelter

>>138575987
why do not they lower taxes for family of 3 children or more
here i think its 30 % more tax if you live alone without children ...

>>138580675
America was a white only country since its founding. Just because Marxist destroyed the US in the 60s doesn't mean we have to just accept the scum that flooded in.

>>138580640

congrats most retarded comment of the day

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>>138580846
You can't deny that the average jippajapzipperzap is a gigantic race traitor at heart.

Blonde girls is always best girl.

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>>138580740
Well apart from the monkeys part you're closer to the money, low living standards doesn't exactly breed success.

>>138580399
yeah, better poor than moor. would could my countries wealth in half if I could have a homogeneous society back in exchange.

O.P. is a money-grubbing fool of a heathen.

Low Crime. 1st world. High employment. Beautiful and amazing culture. Clean. Wealth per capita is growing. No social unrest.

Yeah, Japan sucks.

>>138580963
*cut not could

>>138575195

>He think replacing white people to brown people are good for economy

>Doesn't know that only reason people invest your country is white people live there

1972 America GDP growth rate was 5.236% (85% White)

1997 America GDP growth rate was 4.487% (70% White)

2016 America GDP growth rate was 1.6% ( 60% white)

Keep believe your self Muh brown people and race-mixing are good

sharapova make more money than serena williams

people just don't want spend money to who give a shit nigger country

>>138581158
delet this

>>138578947
Would it be feasible to you that they achieve this results because of programs? And that if same programs applied to native population would yield same if not better results?

>>138575195
post usdjpy

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Japan has less landmass than California yet has 1/3 the population of America
They overpopulated and now can't afford to have kids, so they are scaling back, and now morons are acting like going from 120M to 80M is somehow going extinct

>>138575195
Japan is my fav country right now how are you gonna convince me Japan is bad

save us gaijin, have sex with our women for us :^)

>>138575261
Daijoubu,

>>138580643
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/04/25/migrant-crime-germany-rises-50-per-cent-new-figures-show/#b
>“The proportion of foreign suspects, and migrants in particular, is higher than the average for the general population.”

>>138582154
Half of that is just illegal border crossings though, not violent or property crime

>>138575195
>Every economy has to grow infinitely

Neck yourself.

>>138575195
better than being flooded by poo in the loos

>>138582358
Why are you even still posting? You got called out on all your bullshit already. Are you even a Australian because you are defending immigration like a chink.

>>138582608
Where?

>>138581735
send em here and ill send em back with full bellies.

>>138575195
>Growing population: At this rate, overpopulation by the year____! Abortions and population control, now!

>Shrinking population: At this rate, they'll go extinct by the year ____! Bring in the immigrants to have welfare kids!

>>138575195
Now same graph about chinese ethnostate

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>>138575987

They can't fix the birthrate until they fix the underlying problem: women's rights.

>>138580675
I'm okay with 10% non whites, what does that make me?

>>138578425
Stop drinking the cool-aids anon.
Nationals start businesses.
Foreigners 'start businesses' by waltzing in to a franchise contract that rapes them financially for several years and forces them to pass that financial rape on to their employees. Stop being a good goy and letting globalist elites trick you in to thinking that immigration is good.

>>138584673
source?

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>>138575195
Yawn
http://fortune.com/2017/08/14/japan-2q-gdp-growth-abenomics/