/pol/ communism general

if someone decides not to contribute in a communist society, what happens?

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>>138514325

Nothing, in communism most work is automatized (robots, machines of all kinds...), but in socialism is different, there need to be contributions to build the communist society, if you don't you are a cheater of the system.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KxcP7TRY178

>>138515727

> in communism most work is automatized (robots, machines of all kinds...)

so basically your ideology is science fiction?

>>138517404

Do you realize that robots exists already? Even in marx times there started to appear machines in the factories to automatize the production

>>138517543
And the workers smashed those machines.

The only way socialism will work is through an AI socialist technocracy. That way everything will be efficient and everyone's basic needs will be met.

>>138517543
Please give me a list of the machines (((robots))) that are completely autonomous during the time Marx was around

>>138514198
I can't wait for the day where it isn't only socially acceptable but also totally legal to drag you faggot communist fucks out into the streets and unload an entire magazine into your fucking heads. They won't be ale to produce bullets fast enough.

>>138517723

But they couldn't stop the use of machines eventually though.

>>138517832

why would we make autonomous robots? I'm not talking of sci-fi thinking robots, we would use very specific or multipurpose robots but why would you design a machine that can go out of control...

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Hell yeah i'm a communist too fellow goyim!
I'm the Secretary General of the People's Central Committee on the Democratic Council for Revolutionary Action!

Also, you're under arrest for suspected anti-bolshevik activities.

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Hello gomrades! X_DDddDD Dis general is for disgussion of margsism-lebonnism, da ideology of ebin revolutionary socialism and gommunism.

Gommunism is da next stage of guckery following real society.

Wat exagtly is gommunism according to gommies:

>Gommunism is a stage of guckery in which the produgtive infrustrugture runs away from gommie country, and no goods are produced and beeple starve. X_-DDDD
>Gommunism in full form is obressive, statist society dat follows maxim "gib gib gib!" :-DDDDd
>To achieve gommunism we must replace broduction with murderous obressive rulers liek me, fug working glass beeple. XDDDD Struggle while I liquidate you all FUG. When capitalists run away we win and I gill you all. Eventually the fungtions of state stob and state becomes murderous and indistinguishable from other gommies. Da state withers away liek da people.
https://www.gommies.gom/fug/
https://www.gommies.gom/starve/

GL uses philosphy of gib and starve, see here:
https://www.gommies.gom/ohfugme/

It is recommend you kill yourself so you can avoid starving.

Resources:
https://www.gommies.gom/ohshid/
https://www.gommies.gom/1984/
https://www.gommies.gom/guck/
https://www.gommies.gom/probaganda/
https://www.gommies.gom/XDDDD/
https://www.gommies.gom/hiwherearethefood/
https://www.gommies.gom/benis/
https://www.islamiggommunism.gom/

Da sdages of gommunism.

>Sdage one
Bourgers aren't allowed to vode :-DDD but otherwise da system is digtadorshib of gommies. Everything is stole by digtadors and digtadors rule all.

>Sdade two
Withering
All beeple who aren't digtador glass starve. XDDD Once glass disabears and we steal everything more beeple wither away. Bolice begome unnecessary as beeple are dead lol :DDDDD Central blanning begomes unnecessary begause sgarcity caused starving. (BENIS :_DD)

>Sdage three
Gommunism.
No beeple. No food. My money. Much benis.

>Sdage 4
Nod real gommunism. Nexzt gountry. problems werent. :-DDdd

>>138518004
So people have to run them? But nobody wants to work and just collect gibs. Who was phone?

>>138514198
"When the capitalist class has been completely vanquished, there will be only one class, the working class, and eventually the functions of the state will become indistinguishable from the functions of the society as a whole, and the state as such will 'wither away' as Marx said."

I know people actually believe that, but it boggles my fucking mind that anyone with more than a grade school education would think that makes sense. "If you make absolutely everything the government, then there won't be government!" Jesus christ. It's frustrating because it's not like it hasn't been tried, and tried, and tried, and tried, and tried, and every time the same thing happens: The members of the "working class" who take on responsibility for governance become the governing class instead, and then the killing begins.

Communism is mass dehumanization by violent coercion. The level of naivete required to believe human societies could work the way OP describes is fucking impressive. Jesus christ when will summer end

>>138518148

No, people don't have to run them, I misinterpreted you when you said autonomous I though were talking of human-like robots

>>138517832
>implying communists are capable of producing evidence for their nonsensical claims
>implying communists have any grasp on history or economics, let alone human nature
You are asking too much of retarded sheep.

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>>138514198

commies be retards man, capitalism is the infinitely more superior ideology.

>>138518259

“The state is, therefore, by no means a power forced on society from without; just as little is it
'the reality of the ethical idea', 'the image and reality of reason', as Hegel maintains. Rather, it is
a product of society at a certain stage of development; it is the admission that this society has
become entangled in an insoluble contradiction with itself, that it has split into irreconcilable
antagonisms which it is powerless to dispel. But in order that these antagonisms, these classes
with conflicting economic interests, might not consume themselves and society in fruitless
struggle, it became necessary to have a power, seemingly standing above society, that would
alleviate the conflict and keep it within the bounds of 'order'; and this power, arisen out of
society but placing itself above it, and alienating itself more and more from it, is the state."

Engels

Communist society has been reached when the coercive elements of society have been dissolved totally.

>>138514198
you goddamn moron

>>138514198
You need a fucking sickle shoved through the top of your skull and jutting out the base of your chin.

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>>138514198
keep your kike propaganda faggot
>rope day is coming commie kikes

all you marxists kill urselves

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>>138517770
And yet every AI experiment, every "learning machine" ever conceived went right wing and racist almost immediately, because AI is logical and rational and doesn't get distracted by appeals to emotion?

If you plug that machine in it's just going to execute 80% of the population as surplus to any requirements to the State, which is ultimately why Collectivism falls flat on its face each and every time anyway. Our societies function most efficiently with zero excess humans.

Human Utopia is sitting on our arses on a savanna eating fuit and getting thinned out by predators every so often. A technological socialist future will be sitting on our arses in concrete rooms eating reconstituted food from a dispencer, getting thinned out by the computer ever so often. We're back to Square One literally.

We are not equal, we are not the same, any automated system is going to select for usefulness and nothing else. Something the Landed Gentry have been practicing for over seven thousand years of known history. What is the difference?

>>138518274
I know I'm just bored waiting for my clothes to dry. Stupid capitalist drying (((robot)))

>communism in 2017

kek

bait

>>138518446
>Communist society has been reached when the coercive elements of society have been dissolved totally.
hahaha
What do you think that means in reality?

>>138518546
capitalism actually works, babe. thats the mothafucking difference

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>>138514198
get fucked with your worthless genocidal pos ideology
no one sane likes commies

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>>138514198
To the commie from the previous thread telling me that land is just a capital asset i would like you to consider the following quote from Henry George
>To consider the nature of property of this kind is again to see a clear distinction. That distinction is not, as the lawyers have it, between movables and immovables, between personal property and real estate. The true distinction is between property which is, and property which is not, the result of human labor; or, to use the terms of political economy, between land and wealth. For, in any precise use of the term, land is not wealth, any more than labor is wealth. Land and labor are the factors of production. Wealth is such result of their union as retains the capacity of ministering to human desire. A lot and the house which stands upon it are alike property, alike have a tangible value, and are alike classed as real estate. But there are between them the most essential differences. The one is the free gift of Nature, the other the result of human exertion; the one exists from generation to generation, while men come and go; the other is constantly tending to decay, and can only be preserved by continual exertion. To the one, the right of exclusive possession, which makes it individual property, can, like the right of property in slaves, be traced to nothing but municipal law; to the other, the right of exclusive property springs clearly from those natural relations which are among the primary perceptions of the human mind. Nor are these mere abstract distinctions. They are distinctions of the first importance in determining what should and what should not be taxed

>>138518559
I have asked a multitude of questions in these threads and never got an actual answer to them. I cannot fathom how mentally inept someone would have to be to subscribe to this ideology and it's pathetic that it is so pervasive in so called halls of "higher education". More like brainwashing factories.

>>138518695
you socialist-uneducated ass

>>138518688
True enough, but then gets subverted and twisted into Corpratism by Big Government. The Technocratic AI Global Overlord is the embodiment of the Biggest Possible Government imaginable, hence corporations gunning for something very similar right now.

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>>138518823
>uneducated
Georgism is a capitalistic system my royal libertarian friend

Have you ever thought out the implications of natural rights? Of self ownership?

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>>138518446
>State capitalist society has been reached when the coercive elements of society have been dissolved totally.

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SAGE IN ALL FIELDS

Why are you fucking retards bumping this leftypol thread? Summer not quite over yet?

>>138519334
go back to stormfront

oh wait never mind

>>138518771
like with everything in life, failures need something or someone to blame. Apparently commies have greener grass, but I thought they ate it all.

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>>138518771
>be worthless yet harmless and obedient and above average intelligence
>become academic in State Funded Institution
>paradise, but you have to compete for grants
>Bigger Government = more grant money = easier life getting closer to paradise
That's all it is with academia, money. They want more tax money. If we privatised higher education, they'd immediately flip to the far right. It's the same for "The Arts". 99% of "cultural" institutions are addicted to tax money. Pull the plug on them all, this madness ends. The good ones that put bums on seats or equivalent will flourish, and 80% will fold flat because they were always worthless.

sorry commiebro, i cant get down with marxism
the proletariat are stupid plebes
i'm quite happy with my middle class petite bourgeoisie lifestyle
what you are proposing will sink me and others like me down to the pleb level

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Life is about growing up. You grow up by letting go of temporary, childish things. But even though infinite possibility and the knowledge that all things fade are taken as a given, billions today still childishly cling to capital as if their lives depend on it.

Humanity has to let go. If your real goal is serving society, which it should be, then a way of producing goods that serves society is the logical conclusion of that.

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Debate me this, why has communism failed every single time?

>>138515727
Oh nice are we doing Lenin quotes? Here's my favorite, so inspirational. Big league!
>An oppressed class which did not aspire to possess arms and learn how to handle them would deserve only to be treated as slaves - Lenin

>>138514198
you should merge nazi and commie threads into one big jew thread

>>138517543

Yeah I'm a robotics engineer and not a single one of you middle class commies could program them.

>>138514198
didn't really like it myself

You're all going to the gulag for being blatantly ignorant of socialism and communism.

>>138519513

You just need to grow a bigger heart. And besides . . .

>what you are proposing will sink me and others like me down to the pleb level

Capital will do that to you. All the major upsurges in the power of socialist movements (Paris Commune, 1917, 1930's, 1960's etc.) have just been responses to crises of capital. That's all communism is. We're not destroying anything, we're just picking up the pieces.

>>138517543

I'm the guy who builds the robots, I don't want communism, I just want you to lose your job, become homeless and starve to death on the streets.

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>>138520070
Hahaha get your red army and meet us in the forest, lev bronstein.

>>138520070
>You're all going to the gulag for being blatantly ignorant of socialism and communism.
I support gulag for all the non-kosher gentiles. We should focus on killing gentiles, they are the main problem for us, not other brothers with different ideology.

>>138520187
If you keep up that attitude one day in the not so distant future you will find yourself lined up against a wall for being an enemy of the people.

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A real hero

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>>138514198
Communism is garbage. Kill yourself

>>138517871
/thread

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>>138519432
>Stormfront

That's a middle aged white nationalist liberal racist forum that's still active, you were thinking of daily stormer. God you're an embarrassment, you stupid cunt.

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Hello gomrades! XDDDD Dis general is for disgussion of margsism-lebonnism, da ideology of revolutionary socialism and gommunism.

Gommunism is da next stage of guckery following real society.

Wat exagtly is gommunism according to gommies:

>Gommunism is a stage of guckery in which the produgtive infrustrugture runs away from gommie country, and no goods are produced and beeple starve. XDDDD
>Gommunism in full form is obressive, statist society dat follows maxim "gib gib gib!" :DDDD
>To achieve gommunism we must replace broduction with murderous obressive rulers liek me, fug working glass beeple. XDDDD Struggle while I liquidate you all lol. When capitalists run away we win and I kill you all. Eventually the functions of state cease and state becomes murderous and indistinguishable from other gommies. Da state withers away liek da people.

https://www.gommies.gom/fug/
https://www.gommies.gom/starve/

GL uses philosphy of gib and starve, see here:
https://www.gommies.gom/ohfugme/

It is recommend you kill yourself so you can avoid starving.

Resources:
https://www.gommies.gom/ohshid/
https://www.gommies.gom/1984/
https://www.gommies.gom/guck/
https://www.gommies.gom/probaganda/
https://www.gommies.gom/XDDDD/
https://www.gommies.gom/wheresfood/
https://www.gommies.gom/benis/

_________________________________


Da sdages of gommunism.

>Sdage one
Bourgers aren't allowed to vode :DDD but otherwise da system is digtadorshib of gommies. Everything is stole by digtadors and digtadors rule all.

>Sdade two
Withering
All beeple who aren't digtador glass starve. XDDD Once glass disabears and we steal everything more beeple wither away. Bolice begome unnecessary as beeple are dead lol :DDDDD Central blanning begomes unnecessary begause sgarcity caused starving. Money is all ours.

>Sdage three
Gommunism.
No beeple. No food. My money. Much benis.

>Sdage four
Nod real gommunism. Move on to nexd goundry :DDDDDDD

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soon

>>138514198

Keep it up assholes.

>>138522876
Tfw I have to wage asymmetric warfare on not only the State, but the rebels as well

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=USUe-HmUu8s

>>138520472

Nope, I'll hack your drones and make them bomb you...then what would you do?

And yes, drones are hackable.

>>138520637
Wow that image literally applies to yourself. Go figure.

>>138518266
So we are back to utopian fiction again right?

>>138520472
what if everyone refused to build walls?

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>>138527377
>neo communists
>mining
>construction
>engingeering
>working at all
>understanding anything about real work at all

>>138527928

worker = wage-earner laborer of any kind

>>138514198
How do you know Communism is the next stage?
I mean, Hegel has been correct for a lot more time, how are you sure Marx was right to begin with?

>be communist
>don't want to work on a chicken farm cleaning out shit filled sheds
>get shot

>be other communist
>watch friend get shot for trying to leave terrible farm job.
>stay in terrible farm job
>not getting paid so only put in bare amount of effort.
>get shot by commissary to increase morale

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>>138514198

>>138531891
This is actually very indicative of how the right wing reason, or lack thereof. You can't find any logical or factual fault in the ideas and theories, so you must attack their character.

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>>138522876
>abloobloobloo why do you resist we just want to kill you

>>138532456
I made an actual question,
>>138530322

>>138530322
Nigger vote 93 in the PN internal election

>>138534290
>Voting lacalle pou
Yeah no.
I would rather vote for Novick than even setting foot inside a place full of PN faggots.

Antifa is scum. There should be real communists rallying who have actually experienced the mental and physical toll of capitalists pigs. Slaving in run down factories or making 9 dollars and hour doing manual labor for 10 hour midnight shifts. No we have the jobless pussies that are antifa. Yes the idea is what matters. But this is how we are going to get there? Antifa pledges to obama and clintons and they would be the first to be executed for their burgeoise ways. Antifa grow the fuck up. If youre going to do it. Do it forreal.

A communist society could work if everybody got off their asses and stopped hoping for the say automation saves them. You call each other "comrade" yet have never experienced a day of work. Get off your asses.