What would you do about the obesity epidemic in the western world?

>>138512285
eat the fatties
BBQ time

>>138512285
Stop sugar subsidies in the USA

>>138512285

If you're a fatty you don't get junk food.

Not something people would like. But taxes on - proven - unhealthy food, and make healthier food more accessible and cheaper.
Education doesn't work that's for sure.

>>138512285
Ban corn syrup. It is worse than white suger in its fattening qualities and is in almost every pre made meal.

>>138512285
educate people about carbs spiking insulin and constant eating of them causing higher resting insulin and high insulin resistance, the cure being to STOP EATING THE FUCKING CARBS ALL THE TIME!!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h6aMN6NLOTQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P7Gt9S1KL_c

http://www.buttermakesyourpantsfalloff.com/

>>138512285
Honestly this may be easier to solve than people think.... But we aren't gonna be a /fit/ nation.
>Create a "disease" like binge eating disorder and prescribe ADHD meds to everyone to get them to lose weight. Doing nothing and changing nothing you are looking at 50lbs weightloss. Downside, nation of meth addicts. you'll see this go wide spread over time once more drugs get approved or generics of vyvanse happen.
>Knee cap the internet. The way shit is going with Silicon valley trying to control and blackmail everyones life, net neutrality will happen. When the internet is hobbled to 90's levels (you can check basic stuff, but say goodbye to high bandwidth stuff) you'll see people go out again.
>Make outside trendy. This is happening with every town and city center having "events". Allow open drinking at events and people become social again.
>Subsidies & Vertical Farms. Tax the fuck out of garbage and make healthy foods so cheap and plentiful that it becomes impossible to not have fries and burgers as luxory food.

Only one problem, what country would meddle with this kind of switch from subsidies.... who NOSE the answer to this?

>>138512285
Ban corn syrup and monosodium glutamate, cap sugar amounts allowed in food
>https://youtu.be/f_4Q9Iv7_Ao

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execute fatties in the public.

Melt their fat and use it to burn other fat fucks.

>>138513838
corn syrup is no worse than other sugars, but they put it in FUCKING EVERYTHING!!

and starches aren't much better. how long is you're vid? care to give a qrd?

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>>138512285
Same thing I'd do to solve every other problem - set people on fire

>>138513838
>still thinking msg is bad for you...
You're right about sugar and corn syrup but its proven time and time again that msg and sodium aren't bad for you.

>>138512285
remove kebab

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>>138514133
It's short, gives a quick rundown on the somatic effects of fructose vs glucose vs alcohol. The ~10 minutes are worth it.
>>138513838
Forgot to change LARP flag off

>>138514220
fatties are pretty much an obnoxious "muh genetics" group, but in reality we're being poisoned by sugar and carbs. the carb jew did dis

just prescribe them low carb diets and they'll recover, but (((big cereal))) and (((big sugar))) might not like that, as they would lose shekels

tl;dr they were poisoned by the carb jew

>>138512285
I'd help it people to understand that carbs are sugars with no nutritional value whatsoever, also sugar is one of the most addictive psychotropic drugs known to man.

>>138514290
Don't make me beat you with my huge, throbbing studies folder...
>https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1106764

>>138514064
this

>>138512285
Nothing we can do.
Social justice now dictates you're not allowed to point out facts about how things are unhealthy and the problems related with being a fat Jurassic sized cunt.
So long as us normal non-mammoth sized people carry on as we are, acknowledging science and self-control... we'll be alright.
Let them die early, they ate their graves, let them lie in it.

>>138514560
>It's short, gives a quick rundown on the somatic effects of fructose vs glucose vs alcohol. The ~10 minutes are worth it.
damn, 15 minutes? TYPICAL GREEK LIAR!!! OMG

I managed like 2:30, I agree with the premise that sugar/carbs are bad and they are in everything and most people eat a rediculous amount

pay denbts buddy and we'll see about watching dat other 12 min

>>138513789
>destroy the internets current capabilities and send it 10+ years back
so fucking absolutely retarded on SO many levels, kys.

>>138512285
There is literally two fat people on this island.

>>138514718
>>138514570
>>138513501
>>138513259
Hot damn you people are clueless.

>>138512285
Start by banning unhealthy foods just like cigarettes. Of course that would never happen.

You can also start by being more proactive in trying to get people to adhere to nutritional recommendations, although methodology for that is questionable unless you start with kids in school.

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>>138512285
this movie is a psyop.
Large is no longer big enough at McDonald's and it costs more than it used to. Nice work everybody

>>138512285
Reduce the food supply.

>>138512285
>no junk school meal options
>teach kids about growing food, cooking food, nutrition
>ban junk food adverts during kids shows
>3 strikes rule for people ignoring doctors advice on losing weight. after 3 strikes you have to pay for treatment

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>>138515131
and at least 2 brown people

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>>138515050
tl;dr fructose in fruit is regulated by fiber, but in juice, sugar cane, syrup, etc it overloads the liver and causes extreme fat production.

>>138512285
No more welfare. No farm subsidies. Higher insurance premia for fatties.

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>muh sugar
>muh fat
>muh fast food

The problem is that people just don't care. And that is weird as fuck.

>>138515369
No it actually doesn't. About 2-3% of fructose is converted to triglycerides in the liver and exported via VLDL, but 10-20% of dietary fat is reesterified into triglycerides in the liver due to fatty acid spillover secondary to lipolysis of chylomicrons.
As a result, overeating saturated fat causes 5 to 10 times as much fat to accumulate in the liver as does the same number of calories from refined fructose (which people don't even eat)
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20483648

>>138515182
>Start by banning unhealthy foods just like cigarettes
nobody eats cigarettes you reatard

> get people to adhere to nutritional recommendations
just don't eat carbs, unless you are going to do a lot of excersize or you need to put weight on

do you have and opinion on insulin resistance, what other diseases it is a factor in, and what causes it?

http://www.buttermakesyourpantsfalloff.com/drying-up-the-root/

http://www.buttermakesyourpantsfalloff.com/get-sugar-out/

>>138515131
yeah, but there are only 6 total

>>138515369
ok, I agree with that, but it's not just sugar that does this, potatoes, flour, cake, bread do it also

>>138515479
Yup. Obamacare in many stats charges a 50% premium to smokers.

Same should apply to those grossly overweight.

>>138515322
what is your definition of "junk food"?

mine is sugar and carbs

>>138512285
A British professor's 1972 book about the dangers of sugar is now seen as prophetic. So why did it lead to the end of his career?

A couple of years ago, an out-of-print book published in 1972 by a long-dead British professor suddenly became a collector's item. Copies that had been lying dusty on bookshelves were selling for hundreds of pounds, while copies were also being pirated online. Alongside such rarities as Madonna's Sex, Stephen King's Rage (written as Richard Bachman) and Promise Me Tomorrow by Nora Roberts; Pure, White and Deadly by John Yudkin, a book widely derided at the time of publication, was listed as one of the most coveted out-of-print works in the world.

How exactly did a long-forgotten book suddenly become so prized? The cause was a ground-breaking lecture called Sugar: the Bitter Truth by Robert Lustig, professor of paediatric endocrinology at the University of California, in which Lustig hailed Yudkin's work as "prophetic".

"Without even knowing it, I was a Yudkin acolyte," says Lustig, who tracked down the book after a tip from a colleague via an interlibrary loan. "Everything this man said in 1972 was the God's honest truth and if you want to read a true prophecy you find this book... I'm telling you every single thing this guy said has come to pass. I'm in awe."

>>138512285
>Go to war with any shitstain country
>Initiate the draft
>The fatties lose weight or die
>The idiots get shot
>Use niggers as cannon fodder

We need to curb some of the population right now anyway. War has always been there for that reason.

>>138516200
Yudkin and Lustig are both Jews.

Gary Taubes is also a Jew btw.

Notice how these Jews want you to think that fat is healthy and carbs are bad even though every expert on the planet disagrees and there isn't a single healthy population on the planet with a high fat intake?

>>138515703
>The problem is that people just don't care. And that is weird as fuck.
as the greek faggot was saying, sugar is a drug, but htey don't know it

also depression/low mood is made more likely when being fat

>>138516200
chekkked

amazing, but my suspicion is that the food kikes knew all about this a long time before, and the promotion of sugar and carbs was done on purpose

>>138516402
Charlton Heston has spoken.

>>138516098
Insulin resistance is caused by many things, but especially dietary fat. Eating fat causes insulin resistance within a few hours, so it's very easy to show and has been known for decades.

>>138516537
absolutely

>>138516480
>every expert on the planet disagrees
oh wow, appeal to authority AND appeal to popularity?

eat shit, a trillion flies can't be wrong

look at what we used to eat historically in the places where we evolved, and how much of it i.e. ratios

next you'll be telling us (((climate change))) is real even though none of their predictions have come true

>>138516750
fucking prove it you faggot

do you realize how much your credibility drops when using that flag?

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>>138515182
>EU fag can't even keep straight what it wants to control in our lives.

>>138516887
It's that (German?) troll that keeps telling that fat causes diabetes

>>138512285
Deport all niggers and arabs
Ban pizza and kebab
Send all fat SJW:s to fat concentration camp
Teach white people to be proud and take good care of themselves, then they will get more healthy weight

>>138517048
aah

I know fuly support not paying denbts to german fags

>>138517219
first one is a given

sugar and carbs are the problem, just cutting them out stops hunger and lets people use their excess untill they feel hungry again

insulin spikes lock AWAY energy as fat and make you hungry again

>>138516887
>>138517048
Saturated fat causes insulin resistance and fat storage in the liver immediately after ingestion, right then and there
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/28112681
It's really not difficult to show. It's always been known
It also holds true for one day of high-fat eating https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/28758920
Five days https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25820254
Eleven days http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/73/3/554.full
Saturated and monounsaturated fat is directly toxic to the liver, pancreas and muscles.

>>138512285
>What would you do about the obesity epidemic in the western world?
ban big food and sugar companies and get rid of 50% of what makes up america's economic growth

>>138512654
But that violates so many others rights... Less wrong to let idiots weed themselves out.

>>138512285
Intense P.E. classes from day 1 of high school, focusing on cardiovascular activities, HIIT. Also gas the HFCS

>>138512285
2 years mandatory military service for everyone when they turn 18.

No deferment for college.

>>138512285
Ban welfare/subsidies to fatties and then sit back and let natural selection do its thing

>>138513259

We subsidize that shit, that's why our pop is so cheap. We have a long way to go

>>138517901
A good teacher doesn't teach, the teacher gives the pupils the tools to teach themselves.

>>138518130
I would say 2 years, 1 year mandatory, second year can be opted out for college if course is within STEM or some kind of market/government mandated discipline currently in demand

>>138517901
>But that violates so many others rights
Name one. He's proposing the same treatment as is already given to cigarettes.

>>138512285
Easiest solution. Mandatory draft after school for both men and women. This will have a benefit, not only with forcing young adults to exercise but also giving them life lessons and experience for later. Also the military will stop hiring incompetent psychopaths.

>>138517710
they ate palm oil? who the fuck eats palm oil?

why is there any glucose present if they are only eating fat?

could you tell us the process of brakdown of fat during digestion?

why is there only mention of "endogenous glucose production (EGP) and gluconeogenesis (GNG)"? no mention of ketosis?

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>>138516051
I don't see how this study disagrees even a little with what I said. You see, this I why I linked the video, because it takes way longer for me to give a less ideal explanation.>>138513838

>>138516098
I wanna see a study that shows that. I eat bread, pasta, potatoes, butter, flower as if I were a fat fuck, but even when I don't exercise I stay at around 60KG. I just never eat sugar except as fruit and when I cook with honey.

Give major tax break to restaurants that keep calorie counts per meal to below 750

Also create universal healthcare for individuals who are at healthy weight and employed full time.

Conscription and exercise programs will only work while the candidate is in those programs

>>138518599
Exactly, thank you.

>>138518906
>I wanna see a study that shows that.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ketogenic_diet has some info, not sure if any studies though

so you are saying that eating sugar is the problem, but not carbs in general. I'm assuming since you are thin that you have a low resting insulin level. I certainly think it's true that simple/processed carbs are much worse than complex ones, they both produce insulin spikes, and if you were to eat them at every meal, plus maybe snacking in between and drinking sugar, your insulin response would increase, and the time to decrease to resting would increase, eventually over years, your resting insulin would raise and the problems would compound

if you already had the problem of high resting insulin, cutting our sugars might help, but intermittant fasting and low complex carbs would be required to give your body the time to go back to low resting insulin levels

there is also the possibility that some people are more sensitive to insulin levels anyway

If you are overweight, you have to hang out with the Obamas until you in shape.

people eat too many sugar and carbs. A bit is ok but they are fucking everywhere. Until you tackle this (if it could even ever be done) no progress will ever be made.

>>138519792
Cinnamon is a regular part of my diet, which controls insulin levels.

I've never been fat, I never really liked sugar so it's not something that has been a part of my diet except the rare soda offered to me.

I think its great we have an abundance of food but I have to agree with this post
>>138512441
we just need to stop subsidizing food

>>138520209
>I've never been fat, I never really liked sugar so it's not something that has been a part of my diet except the rare soda offered to me.

part of my point was that some of the population are prone to insulin resistance, others aren't

sugary drinks and candy/cakes, glucose/hfcs being in everything (in america) are a poison for those susceptible, and so much commercial advertizing for them

I don't know what things are like in greece, but there is wall to wall commercials in burgerland

>>138519792
And no, a Wikipedia article in no way shares the authority of a controlled study

>>138512285
1. Institute a National Weight Loss Program.

2. Within a year, all members of society must be within a healthy bodyfat percentage. Testing centers will be provided with hyperbaric chambers to accurately test bodyfat, leaving the BMI and tape test/caliper systems in the past.

Citizens that started out beyond a reasonable (100lbs) weight to meet standards will have to meet the yearly target goal (120lbs) and following that meet monthly goals until within allowable bodyfat percentages.

3. Citizens will meet with counselors and attend education programs detailing nutritional information and proper exercise. The society would be instructed to eat a semi-vegan diet with approximately 3oz meat per meal, with other portions reflecting parameters of a zone diet.

4. Businesses will be instructed to have a later work call so that parents can bring their kids to school and spend time exercising each morning.

5. Citizens may report that others look too fat, requiring further investigation and immediate testing. Previously fat individuals will have mandatory 3 month fat tests.

6. Failure to meet standards results in death.

>>138520744
Obesity has increased in Greece in almost perfect correlation with increase in sugar in food. Before WW2 there was no sugar beet, sugar cane, or corn syrup in Greece, and everyone was fit as fuck.

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>>138512285
Easy, make food like products illegal. If it's not found in nature, fuck it.

Require ingredients on front of package.

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>>138514133
Shut up jew

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>>138520784
ah appealing to authority? heh

the sources are at the bottom of the article

>>138521059
ok, so you are saying sugar causes it, and I am saying low carb/low sugar solves it

doesn't seem too much different. the problem is insulin resistance. sugar might be the major cause, but other carbs perpetuate it

Pretty sure there is a correlation in most western countries between sugar and carb consumption and obesity/diabetes

>>138521257
I don't even praise yahweh and consider you goyims my inferiors, faggit

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>>138521257
err, I mean, fellow goyim

whoops

half an hour of running and > half an hour of lifting every day including bodyweight

Stop insuring all health problems that can be reasonably linked to a person's fatness.
We also need to resume the practice of fat shaming. You'd think being a piece of fucking lard would have enough drawbacks (health, looks, day-to-day convenience) that people wouldn't get to that point, but they still fucking do. We need to do to fat people what we did to smokers.

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>>138521553
One day jew... one day

Compulsory sterilization of fat people

>>138521426
No, Appeal to Authority is relying on an authority figure(s). Empirical evidence is not a figure and on its own has real authority.

Nothing in the Wikipedia article cites any evidence linking carbs to obesity.

Carbs have been around since man learned to grind grain and bake bread. Obesity epidemics have been around since sugar became a regular part of the diet.

>>138521647
AND no goddam carbs

>>138521689
a bit unfair to let (((big sugar))) get people fat, then punish the victim

>>138521725
I swear I'm a filthy goyim with no soul, just like you, oy vey. meshuggeneh

>>138522084
>Carbs have been around since man learned to grind grain and bake bread. Obesity epidemics have been around since sugar became a regular part of the diet.
is sugar a carb?

>Empirical evidence is not a figure and on its own has real authority.
assuming you believe the stated evidence, surely scientists can make mistakes/be bought?

>Nothing in the Wikipedia article cites any evidence linking carbs to obesity.
no, but they do list a negative affect of this diet as WEIGHT LOSS

indicating it might be good for OVERWEIGHT PEOPLE, to LOSE WEIGHT

>>138521937
I think you'll find that sugar does that job just as well as enforced sterilisation.

>>138522722
Fat people marries fat people and have fat children. Fact.

>>138512285
Supersize me was fake as fuck and a giant leftist propaganda.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=evcNPfZlrZs

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>>138522393
Sounds like a pretty specialized diet for someone with special needs, not the general public.

Scientists are wrong, bought, or Jewish all the time, but unless it can be shown that an experiment has been tampered without proper controls, the results are undeniable evidences. The theory that grows out of these experiments might have no reality to it, but the results stand.

Sugar is equal parts glucose/fructose. Carbs are metabolized mainly into glucose, which the body actually needs. Fructose is the only sugar that is so unhealthy. This was not widely available to the general public until recently, and obesity has increased with the copious amounts of sugar.

Also this (pic related):
"If the Jews are ever expelled from America it will be on account of the evil practice of Jewish doctors and Jewish lawyers." (Jews Must Live, Samuel Roth 1934)

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>>138523215
if you name your pics better, it's easier to find them when we save them

>Scientists are wrong, bought, or Jewish all the time, but unless it can be shown that an experiment has been tampered without proper controls, the results are undeniable evidences
ok, I lost about 20 pounds in 5 weeks eating high fat/low carb, I go for a walk every day or two. I'm hardly ever hungry(as advertized with the claim that sugar/carbs causes insulin spikes and locks away energy making you hungry agian faster)

>Sugar is equal parts glucose/fructose
what? I thought they were both sugars

>Carbs are metabolized mainly into glucose, which the body actually needs
true that they are metabolized to glucose, but evidence that the body NEEDS them?

the body has two modes, glucose burning mode and keto(fat) burning mode. also kown as feed more and fast mode. how do people survive weeks without food if glucose is required?

fat does not metabolize to glucose, but triglycerides. 3 medium/long chain fatty acids bound to a single glycerol molecule .proteins metabolize to amino acids, only carbs/sugar metabolizes to glucose

>obesity has increased with the copious amounts of sugar
agreed, but carbs also metabolize to glucose

>If the Jews are ever expelled from America it will be on account of the evil practice of Jewish doctors and Jewish lawyers
amen

>>138522906
many such cases. carbs to blame

>>138522992
give a qrd?

>>138524102
When fasting your body is living off of the excess glucose in your fat cells, which is metabolised into triglycerides. The stored fructose, however, is left for last and can even be toxic to attempt to fast away at once.

You are only half of the experiment at most, you need controls, other participants which are partially following your diet or not at all, to compare yourself to. The mirror just leaves it up to your authority, which isn't real.

You need glucose for motor function:
http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/Organic/sugar.html

>>138524102
People will always defend their drug of choice, sugar destabilizes the central nervous system, making people feel anxious, anxious people are easy to control.

>>138512285
1: Abolish welfare and food stamps.
2: stop subsidizing corn.

>>138525041
it gives me no real pleasure to totally btfo you out, but here we go

>Ketosis is a metabolic state in which some of the body's energy supply comes from ketone bodies in the blood, in contrast to a state of glycolysis in which blood glucose provides energy.

Ketosis is a nutritional process characterised by serum concentrations of ketone bodies over 0.5 mM, with low and stable levels of insulin and blood glucose.[1][2] It is almost always generalized with hyperketonemia, that is, an elevated level of ketone bodies in the blood throughout the body. Ketone bodies are formed by ketogenesis when liver glycogen stores are depleted (or from metabolising medium-chain triglycerides[3]). The main ketone bodies used for energy are acetoacetate and β-hydroxybutyrate,[4] and the levels of ketone bodies are regulated mainly by insulin and glucagon.[5] Most cells in the body can use both glucose and ketone bodies for fuel, and during ketosis, free fatty acids and glucose synthesis (gluconeogenesis) fuel the remainder.

Longer-term ketosis may result from fasting or staying on a low-carbohydrate diet (ketogenic diet), and deliberately induced ketosis serves as a medical intervention for various conditions, such as intractable epilepsy, and the various types of diabetes.[6] In glycolysis, higher levels of insulin promote storage of body fat and block release of fat from adipose tissues, while in ketosis, fat reserves are readily released and consumed.[5][7] For this reason, ketosis is sometimes referred to as the body's "fat burning" mode.[8]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ketosis

the body has 2 modes glycolysis and ketosis, feed and fast

> In glycolysis, higher levels of insulin promote storage of body fat and block release of fat from adipose tissues, while in ketosis, fat reserves are readily released and consumed

>>138525041
The two sources of ketone bodies in the body are fatty acids in adipose tissue and ketogenic amino acids.[20][21] The main formation of ketone bodies is through ketogenesis.

Adipose tissue can be used to store fatty acids for regulating temperature and energy.[20] These fatty acids can be released by adipokine signaling of high glucagon and epinephrine levels, which inversely corresponds to low insulin levels. High glucagon and low insulin correspond to times of fasting or to times when blood glucose levels are low.[22] Fatty acids must be metabolized in mitochondria, so coenzyme A is bound to the fatty acid to produce acyl-CoA. The acyl-CoA are able to enter the mitochondria. These fatty acids are used as fuel in cells through β-oxidation, which gives a large energy payout per acyl-CoA molecule that is formed from the β-oxidation of a fatty acid.[23]

As β-oxidation begins, FAD dehydrogenates acyl-CoA to form trans-Δ2-enoyl-CoA and FADH2. Acyl-CoA Dehydrogenase catalyses a double bond in this step. Next, trans-Δ2-enoyl-CoA is hydrogenated by enoyl CoA hydratase to form L-β-hydroxyacyl CoA. NAD+ and the enzyme 3-hydroxyacyl-CoA dehydrogenase oxidize L-β-hydroxyacyl CoA to form β-ketoacyl CoA and NADH. Lastly, the β-ketoacyl CoA is cleaved by a thiol group in CoA to form another acyl-CoA and an acetyl-CoA. This reaction is catalyzed by thiolase. The acyl-CoA is two carbons shorter than before, so it enters β-oxidation again until it all converts into acetyl-CoA.

>>138525041
The acetyl-CoA enters the citric acid cycle and undergoes an aldol condensation with oxaloacetate to form citrate. The citric acid cycle is a key pathway for metabolism. It provides precursors for many amino acids as steps in the cycle. It also allows high energy molecules to form; 3x NADH, FADH2, and GTP/ATP are all produced by one iteration of the cycle. This is equivalent to 10 ATP.[24][25] Acetyl-CoA undergoes this process in any cell, while liver cells can also undergo a different process: ketogenesis.

In the liver, Acetyl-CoA can undergo ketogenesis to form ketone bodies.[26] They are produced in mitochondria, and usually occur in response to low blood glucose levels.[27] In the mitochondria, the acetyl-CoA does not enter the citric acid cycle when the amount of acetyl-CoA widely exceeds that of oxaloacetate, as the first step cannot proceed. Along with the fatty acids, deaminated ketogenic amino acids can be converted into intermediates in the citric acid cycle and produce ketone bodies.[21]

Ketogenesis produces one ketone body per two acetyl-CoA. Two acetyl-CoA condense to form acetoacetyl-CoA via thiolase. Acetoacetyl-CoA momentarily combines with another acetyl-CoA via HMG-CoA synthase to form hydroxy-β-methylglutaryl-CoA. Hydroxy-β-methylglutaryl-CoA forms acetoacetate via HMG-CoA lyase. Acetoacetate can then reversibly convert to D-β-hydroxybutyrate via D--β-hydroxybutyrate dehydrogenase. Another option here is acetoacetate can spontaneously degrade to acetone and carbon dioxide. From here, all three ketone bodies (acetoacetate, D--β-hydroxybutyrate, and acetone) have been formed, but acetoacetate and D--β-hydroxybutyrate are in much greater concentrations.

>>138525269
promote low carb diet for fatties

>>138512285
We can start by stopping corn subsidizes.

just have more ads and informative shit telling fat people it isn't okay to be fat, that its disgusting and unhealthy. the only reason it is so bad is because being fat is widely accepted as okay most people don't see anything wrong with it. its fucking disgusting fat people make me feel sick

>>138525432
I went through the list already. Every single one of the studies cited were for neurological function, not testing fat levels while making a differentiation between glucose and fructose. It's like switching from tap water to distilled water and blaming the whole difference on the chlorine without any mention of the fluoride.

Reminder that fat people unironically cost less to the state than healthy people because the former don't live to age 85.
Hard to swallow redpill.

>>138525041
the important thing to realize is that the body has 2 energy modes,

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glycolysis

and

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ketosis

do you agree with this?

do you further agree that normal low resting insulin people enter ketosis after about 2-4 hours of eating? i.e. they store fat after a meal, then have free access to use it?

whilst high resting insulin people take longer to enter ketosis, and if they have a few sugar snacks may never enter ketosis except after 6-8 hours when they are sleeping?

and if you want to lose weight, you need to be in ketosis?

>>138512285
nuke america

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>>138512285
Teach people self control

>>138513501
This.
Chronically high insulin levels force blood sugar to go to fat stores instead of being usable. This causes a starvation effect and makes them eat more and remain hungry.

>>138514064
Only appropriate answer right here.

>>138526913
why can skinny people eat whatever they like, but never get fat, and fatties eat the same or less and get fatter?

surely it's more simple than self-control

>>138525018
What?

>>138512285

impose a 2000% tax on any fast food.

To be honest that would probably solve a lot of problems

the only solution is taxation of certain foods similar to taxing tobacco and alcohol. use the tax revenue to pay down the debt and subsidize health care.

>>138527329
qrd = quick run down

in other words tell us what the vid shows, in a sentence or two

>>138527441
Did you just make up that acronym?

>>138527095
thanks bro

some people don't seem to get it

>>138527373
a better policy would be a scale/height measurement and no carbs if above a particular BMI. all the fat/protein you want though

>>138527614
kekked, no it's been a /pol/ thing for a few months

aah, wtf, YES IT WAS ME, I DID IT!!!

>>138527441
That guy does the same test and is perfectly healthy, meanwhile as the documentary goes he shows you all the fallacies in supersize me and the bullshit research

>>138512285
Attack the supply side. That's how you defeat addictive epidemics like this.

Look at the relative success of the war on tobacco vs the disaster that is the war on drugs.

>>138527715
I can't really do a tl;dw because I can't remember the details.

>>138526830
I don't disagree on the mechanics of metabolism. None of that changes the fact that the majority of your fat is made up of liver-products from fructose rather than glucose.

I also disagree that high/low insulin is naturally occurring. Rat models consistently require chemicals like monosodium glutamate to induce hypoglycemia and hyperglycemia.
>https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1106764

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>>138527259

Yeah it is.

Its a lot like a budget, a simple function of intake vs expenditure.

Its the same reason Jamal from the block can have 27 pairs of Jordan's but nothing in the bank and Bill who only owns 5 shirts has 20k in the bank.

The analog is bills bank acct is Stacy's fupa.

>>138527715
>>138527812
that's enough, might check it out

>>138527810
I think CARBS MAKE YOU FAT, is better than fining the sugar companies since people will still try to get their drug

I suppose they are to blame though, but more so the mediacal fags for not being honest about the role of carbs in obesity

maybe both then

>>138512285
>What would you do about the obesity epidemic in the western world?
Ban HFCS. The demand for cane sugar would raise the price and bring obesity to a new, lower equilibrium.

>>138527259
Portion control and difference in activity levels. The idea that certain people can eat whatever they want and never gain weight is a meme perpetuated by people who don't want to take responsibility for their actions ("It's not me, it's just my genes making me fat!"). A skinny person may consume unhealthy things, but you can bet he's not consuming them to the same degree as a fat person. It's important to note that a great deal of fat people drink much of their calories; a 20oz bottle of coke has more calories than a slice of pizza and is not filling at all. My father was fat and would often go through a 12 pack of soda within a couple days. Also keep in mind a person can be skinny and also unhealthy, its just that most fat people have health issues.

It's simple physics: energy in-energy out. If you input more energy into your body than your body is expending, you will gain weight and vice-versa. Anything to the contrary is a lie.

>>138527843
>I also disagree that high/low insulin is naturally occurring. Rat models consistently require chemicals like monosodium glutamate to induce hypoglycemia and hyperglycemia.
I'll take your word for that. Nevertheless the cure is low carb

>I don't disagree on the mechanics of metabolism
do you agree that obese people need to enter ketosis to use stored fat(as does everyone), but that their high resting insulin and higher and longer peak insulin prevents that from occurring without a ketogenic diet?

>None of that changes the fact that the majority of your fat is made up of liver-products from fructose rather than glucose
this may be true, but I don't see the relevance. the goal with solving obesity is to induce ketosis

>>138528139
Ban sugar beet too. But this will literally put (((Coca-Cola))) out of business.

>>138528029
yeah, and those of us with a big enough fat bank need to retire and live off our savings

the question is WHY a thin person a can eat forever and not get fat, but a fat person can't, and my reserch so far leads me to beieve the difference is higher resting and peak insulin levels in fat people, coupled with a longer time for insulin levels to return to base

this study shows there is a massive difference in insulin profiles in obese and normal people

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC329589/pdf/jcinvest00481-0168.pdf

>>138528438
"Solving the obesity epidemic" is not equivalent to "inducing weight loss"

Carbs are an important source of energy, and if you are active enough it can be difficult to get all the energy you need otherwise. Fasting is great, I do it often. I'm fasting this week even.

But the key to avoiding fat buildup in the first place while having abundant energy is in removing fructose (and several other chemicals in processed foods and vaccines which interfere with the digestive system)

>>138528079
Carbs are essential to your bodily processes, as is fat and protein. There is no such thing as an "evil" macro nutrient. The problem arises when people consume too much of one or more of these nutrients. What is happening is that western diets are very carb-heavy, and most of us consume more carbs than the body needs, most of which are simple carbs. Simple carbs are not filling and break down in the body quickly, leading us to eat even more. Maintaining a good ratio of most complex carbs, naturally occurring fats (Saturated or unsaturated; butter and oils are perfectly healthy, trans fats and things like margarine are not) and protein is the key.

>>138528245
>It's simple physics: energy in-energy out. If you input more energy into your body than your body is expending, you will gain weight and vice-versa. Anything to the contrary is a lie.

but obese and normal people have different insulin profiles

insulin drives out sugar from the blood into fat, it locks it up and prevents it being used. therefore if you have a normal persons insulin profile you can use the energy, but if you have an obese persons profile it's locked away and you are caused to feel hungry again, WHEN YOU HAVE A GAZILLION CALORIES AVAILABLE TO USE

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC292903/pdf/jcinvest00272-0037.pdf

yes, the energy out - energy in formula is valid, but doesn't take into account high insulin causing sotrage rather than allowing usage

>>138512285
Have fat losers work out and eat better?

Seriously if you're fat and unhealthy that's on you, loser. It's not as hard as you think to lose weight, unless you have some serious genetic disorder. LOSE WEIGHT FAT FUCKS

>>138529270
Sugars don't go straight to fat cells. It is metabolized in the liver.

>>138529047
>Carbs are essential to your bodily processes, as is fat and protein
are they? please prove this claim

so a person would die if they only ate fat and protein? e.g. our primitive ancestors who hunted animals and ate them?

>What is happening is that western diets are very carb-heavy, and most of us consume more carbs than the body needs, most of which are simple carbs
I agree

>Maintaining a good ratio of most complex carbs, naturally occurring fats (Saturated or unsaturated; butter and oils are perfectly healthy, trans fats and things like margarine are not) and protein is the key.
might be fine for a normal insulin profile person, but a high insulin profile person reacts more severely to carbs, and has the energy they ate stored instead of available to use

>>138512441

Stop all food subsidies

a common response in this thread is criticism of subsidies. What about them are negatively impacting the health of people today?

>>138529530
perhaps true, but you seem to be missing the point I am making

sugars and carbs become blood sugar, insulin is then triggered to rise since high blood sugar is harmful, this causes the body to move that blood sugar into fat storage, AND causes it not to be allowed back into the blood to be used

it CAUSES STORAGE, until insulin drops, and if you have fat persons insulin profile, that can be 4-6 hours later, and you areprobably hungry again much earlier, so the cycle compounds, because you ate again, but the root cause is the high insulin which caused the sugar to be stored as fat

>>138529725
Because almost all of American agriculture is fucking corn which they export around the world.

>>138529289
>Seriously if you're fat and unhealthy that's on you, loser
and parents feeding their kids high carb diets resulting in high resting insulin isn't a factor, or even these parents not realizing that that is what they are doing?

coupled with all the commercials for sugery carby crap, and the retarded advice of the doctors that you should have 60% carbs, not hard to see the cause

>>138529929
true, and I bet they know that carbs make you hungry, which results in them selling more, so they encourage it

>>138529907
I understand what you are saying, but insulin is not a key factor in obesity but a symptom. What matters is the metabolism of the sugar after the insulin carries it.

http://www.webmd.com/heart/metabolic-syndrome/news/20090421/fresh-take-on-fructose-vs-glucose

>>138530104
>and parents feeding their kids high carb diets resulting in high resting insulin isn't a factor, or even these parents not realizing that that is what they are doing?

No sympathy for this you're an idiot if you don't know what to feed your kid and what not. Find a wife who isn't a disgusting pig who eats Velveeta macaroni all day. Know what to feed your children for propeer nutrition and development. This comes down to the individual honestly

>>138530484
>but insulin is not a key factor in obesity but a symptom. What matters is the metabolism of the sugar after the insulin carries it.
chicken and egg?

high insulin profile causes more blood sugar to be locked away as fat, and not be available to use. high blood sugar causes high insulin

no matter the cause, the cure is lowering insulin profile by reducing carbs to a minimum and not eating unless hungry, allowing the body to enter ketosis for long periods of time

>>138530580
>No sympathy for this you're an idiot if you don't know what to feed your kid and what not. Find a wife who isn't a disgusting pig who eats Velveeta macaroni all day. Know what to feed your children for propeer nutrition and development. This comes down to the individual honestly
the parents don't know that high carbs/sugar creates insulin resistance, the storage of energy as fat, and the inability to use that stored energy. yet the child is responsible for the parents ignorance(as caused by the doctors advice)?

I blame the retarded/bought medical faggots who claim carbs are ok, but fat is bad

85% of the peoplein hospital or doctors surgeries are there because of high insulin profile due to too much carbs. blame those who gave the advice

>>138530975
That is not true, False Cause. Insulin disbalances are CAUSED by an anomaly in the pancreas due to chemicals consumed. Insulin levels to do not determine weight while liver function ultimately does. Do not pass off the liver as a function of insulin.

>>138529725
Corn subsidies were put in place during the Great Depression to prevent a collapse of American agriculture and keep grain prices stable. They were never repealed, and as a result corn is a very cheap ubiquitous crop that most farmers have become absolutely dependent on. A side-effect of this huge amount of cheap corn is that since it is so cheap, and since sugar in the form of High-Fructose Corn Syrup can be synthesized from it food companies have added it to a startling amount of their products as it is nearly free to do so while improving taste. This means that added sugar is present in many many food stuffs Americans consume, whose high sugar and caloric content and little-to-no nutritional value has been a key contributor to the obesity epidemic.

>>138512285
Teach people how to enjoy physical activity
Training is healthier than a restrictive diet

>>138531498
does high carb leading to high blood sugar lead to increased insulin response?

does regular high insulin lead to insulin resistance?

>>138531277
You have a great point but I blame most of Americas obesity problem on cheap food, specifially fast food joints being so prevalent

Take a ride down the highway and you see food exits everywhere advertising fast food places. Every few miles is a fast food place. Lazy fucks will eat that shit 4-5 times a week, maybe more than that. When that shit is so prevalent is has a serious effect on the population. I blame people not being able to moderate themselves mostly

>>138531641
No it doesn't, otherwise I would have "high insulin profile" (which I assume is your coined term for insulin resistance) from my high carb diet.

Hear me out on this one:

Stop eating for once.

>>138531648
and yet there would be hardly any obese people if they didn't serve fries, buns, or sugar soda

do the fast-food places know they are poisoning their customers? do the customers know they are eating poison?

do the medical people know they should be telling people eat all the protein and fat you like, just don't eat the carbs?

I suspect some medical people know that carbs result in hunger, I wouldn't be surprised if EVERY doctor knows this

who should be telling people to lay off the sugar and carbs?

>>138529907
I understand your point, but insulin is also used to carry the energy to the muscles
Low insulin diets work not because of absence of storage, but because of calorie restriction

>>138531994
I'm only bothered by this because of how you consistently Jew-wash healthy energy and poison as somehow the same thing...

>>138531277
>medical faggots who claim carbs are ok, but fat is bad

Neither is bad when moderated. But yes, a huge problem in the health industry is misinformation. Dieting and health is a multi-billion dollar industry in the US, and it benefits said companies to keep circulating misinformation to keep the public constantly buying their products, whether it be fad diets (ie: no glucose, bacon diet, aktins etc), gym memberships (you'll never get fit without the proper equipment!) or medical procedures (you're a lost cause unless you get liposuction/gastric bypass surgery). Turn on your local news come 5 o'clock in the evening, how many times a week will one of their stories be "recent studies have shown X will help you lose weight" or something similar, or watch Dr. Oz and see the kinds of snake oil he's peddling. This is all in place to keep the public spending money on their health while not actually caring about their health.

>>138512285
Pass sugar control and regulation laws similar to Britain's knife laws. We'll push for slogans like "Bin that sugar, mate!" and hang them in the streets, and have harsh fees for anyone caught with raw sugar. We can also force companies to use less sugar in their goods. It's bloody brilliant!

>>138531994
>from my high carb diet
you missed the point where I mentioned that some people may be genetically susceptible to a high carb diet leading to high insulin profile(a medical term)

you also said you don't drink sugary drinks, and only have honey in something sometime?

so, there are two chances for you not to have got high insulin profile. 1)you weren't susceptible, and 2)you didn't have a sweet tooth

bear in mind that food in america has hidden carbs. kek, the "diet" sweetener "splenda" doesn't have any sugar in it, but it does have MALTO-DEXTROSE, whih has a HIGHER glyceimic index than fucking sugar

you confuse your anecdotal evidence for proof

>>138532155
>Low insulin diets work not because of absence of storage, but because of calorie restriction
there is no calory restriction on low carb/high fat(keto) diets, you can eat whenever you are hungry, just minimal carbs. thing is, you just don't feel hungry very often if you don't eat carbs, which allows you to take dividends from your fat bank investments

1. Better nutritional education for young students.
2. End all food subsidies.

>>138532751
That is what i said. People tend to eat less on those diets.
The fat for energy pathway is slow and bad in many ways. It is a fad diet thanks to the water weight loss at the start.
A calorie restricted high carb diet is better for fat loss, and performance, both mental and physical
t. Former ketoist for literal yeard

>>138532950
Also:
3. Make physical education classes actually about getting students in shape and not just essentially a free period.

>>138532367
>Turn on your local news come 5 o'clock in the evening, how many times a week will one of their stories be "recent studies have shown X will help you lose weight" or something similar, or watch Dr. Oz and see the kinds of snake oil he's peddling. This is all in place to keep the public spending money on their health while not actually caring about their health.
kek, absolutely true, I remember one week an article about drinking wine is bad, the next was 2 glasses a day solves heart disease

but ketosis is not a "fad" diet, nice use of the buzzword "fad" btw. notice how this promotes (((their))) autority of having the only REAL diet, and simultaneously gives a competitor a trustworthiness kick

ketosis is proven biology, it is the mode when your body runs out of glucose(i.e. carbs) and starts burning fat

this isn't a "fad", but actual biology

>>138532254
why are you replying to yourself?

>>138532582
don't be a fugger, bin that sugar

consider plato, bin that potato

>>138532751
"May be genetically susceptible..." that is still at this point only an assumption. I will admit that studies are showing eating and hygiene habits can alter DNA passed to children...

So you are admitting that the huge serving of carbs in tonight's rice pilaf will have NO negative effect on me and at least half of the population?

I already linked studies showing the mechanisms which alter pancreatic function (because insulin isn't something must just magically fucking appears), AND direct causation of specifically fructose in dangerous body fat and associated symptoms. Anecdotal is what you get next.

>>138533123
>The fat for energy pathway is slow and bad in many ways. It is a fad diet thanks to the water weight loss at the start.
> A calorie restricted high carb diet is better for fat loss, and performance, both mental and physical
>t. Former ketoist for literal yeard
is ketosis a biologically recognised fact?

can you burn fat whilst in glycolysis?

>>138533509
>can alter DNA passed to children
hmm, I'd need a source on that

>So you are admitting that the huge serving of carbs in tonight's rice pilaf will have NO negative effect on me and at least half of the population?
I never gave my impression of what percentage of your ethnicity were susceptible to insulin resistance due to high carbs. do you have any fat relatives, friends or people you know?

I'm not arguing that fructose doesn't cause insulin profile changes, just that glucose and complex carbs do too

>>138533557
The thing is, I have never been more dry in my entire life than on keto
but years after all that, i recon I threw my performance out the window
I agree with the keto lovers, because it really works, but sadly they are 2-3 months in... or don't know a lot about it
you end losing muscle mass, and frying your adrenals, kidneys, and worse: you fuck up with your heart after eating that amount of bad fat

long term health: high carb + cardio + lifts
>performance
>mental gains on point
>literally happier
when on keto, you are relying on your adrenals when the shit hits the fan
keto literally destroys marriages, and get people really mad

Think of a solution that in no way hurts skinny people. That means no banned food and no food taxes. I'll keep my excellent lung capacity, 48 bpm resting heart rate, 9% body fat, and eat a cheap greasy hamburger with a milkshake if I so please. No step on snek

>>138512285
Super Size Me was a pseudo-scientific fraud made by a Jew to get money.

Watch Fat Head.

>>138512285
Train every single day
Cardio
Lifts
Team sports if you like the competitive edge

train those carbs, and forget about labels, ratios, types of fat, sugars....

Stop taxes from paying for their healthcare and the problem will solve itself.

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>>138534054
>keto literally destroys marriages, and get people really mad

>>138534099
t. mcdick worker

>>138526813
Glad to see someone saying this. It's one of the arguments against "universal" healthcare!
>>138518290
>>138529587
These too. Handouts reward bad behavior. There's no need to fatten up all the poor people like hams for tomorrow.

>>138534198
>don't forget to drink you're coke friendos

>>138533900
Can't find the study on hygene, but this is one of many showing diet alters DNA of future generations:
>https://www.livescience.com/21902-diet-epigenetics-grandchildren.html

My grandmother got kinda fat, but then she was diagnosed with hypoglycemia and stopped eating sugar. She still eats plenty of carbs but she lost around 25 kilos in under 2 months.

What I'm asking for is scientific evidence that proves that carbs alone or glucose alone can cause any degree of obesity proven to be caused by fructose.

Is it okay for lanklets to stuff themselves with McDoubles? 6'2" 130 lbs here

>>138534628
better drink that butter coffee

>The ketogenic diet is a high-fat, adequate-protein, low-carbohydrate diet that in medicine is used primarily to treat difficult-to-control (refractory) epilepsy in children.

as I said, it is not the 'keto' what makes it successful, but the 'diet' part

you can train yourself out of memes forever

>>138534638
>Can't find the study on hygene, but this is one of many showing diet alters DNA of future generations:
you mean like holohoax survivors grandchildren have it in the dna?

>My grandmother got kinda fat, but then she was diagnosed with hypoglycemia and stopped eating sugar. She still eats plenty of carbs but she lost around 25 kilos in under 2 months.
>stopped eating sugar.

so she induced more ketosis?

>What I'm asking for is scientific evidence that proves that carbs alone or glucose alone can cause any degree of obesity proven to be caused by fructose.
that's kind of a fair question, but why did your grandma not just stop eating fructose? but keep eating glucose?

could you tell me the difference between fructose and glucose, and tell me why after metabolism, they would have a different effect? don't all carbs and sugars eventualy become glucose in the bloodstream?

>>138535008
but you know what "ketosis" is? not "ketogenic diet", but "ketosis"?

>>138512285
Ban cars for a year so they have to walk or bike everywhere until they're not obese.

>>138535254
yeah, using ketones for energy on a glycogen depleted body
>performance gone
>muscle gains gone
>hair gone
>eyesight gone
>vitamins and minerals gone
and, as I said, you are mostly losing water weight because you are not carrying glycogen

>>138535531
and how does one lose weight without entering ketosis?

>>138512285
end subsidies for health care so if people are unhealthy their insurance costs fuck them up to the point where they're forced to live a healthier lifestyle or be broke and homeless

>>138535805
4th time: on a calorie restricted diet
you can lose weight not eating protein too
but what do you want? to get stronger and having a low body fat level, or seeing the number in the scale going low?
for that, keto is amazing!! you can lose x lbs in a week by dehydrating

>>138535157
That's basically what she did. Glucose is in all forms of sugar, and it is what carbs are metabolised into. Fructose, however, is the sweetener, and is found only in fruit/cane, and even then it is about half fructose half glucose. When eaten with fruit, it is in a very diluted form mixed with high amounts of fiber which carries the fructose out quickly in your shit.

But in juices and concentrated forms of fructose (which makes up about half the molecule of sugar) the fiber is removed and all the fructose goes straight into the blood. The other half of the molecule, Glucose goes into the blood anyways and is used for energy. Fructose however is NOT metabolized into energy, and about 80% or so is metabolized into toxins that are then stored in belly fat...

>>138512285
This movie is fucking pathetic. I eat fast food pretty often and I'm in perfect shape because over longer periods than just eating time, I burn as many calories as I consume.

This fatass just pigged out on McDicks and then intentionally sat on his fat ass all day in order to create his sensationalist propaganda and get shekels.

If he had just exercised more in order to compensate for the increased calorie intake he would've been fine.

>>138536128
>Fructose however is NOT metabolized into energy, and about 80% or so is metabolized into toxins that are then stored in belly fat...
proof?

>>138536003
>for that, keto is amazing!! you can lose x lbs in a week by dehydrating
using fat dehydrates? why not drink more water?

>>138536644
>using fat dehydrates? why not drink more water?
not eating carbs dehydrates
so you need to carry your water jug everywhere like those hollywood fucks

>>138512285
make a health insurance company that charges healthy people less

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>>138536790
>so you need to carry your water jug everywhere like those hollywood fucks
because carbs are made out of water?

oy vey, don't lose weight goyims, you might have to drink water

>>138536509
He didn't sit on his ass he made sure to walk every day as much as the average person
You need to rewatch

>>138536644
I'm feeling lazy and about to go to bed, and you don't seem to mind Wiki despite its cherry-picking...
>https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fructolysis

>>138537125
so fruit is worse than spoons of sugar?

>>138536986
>because carbs are made out of water?
i honestly believe you don't know a lot of what you preach, lad

for every gram of glycogen stored, you gain approximately 2.7 grams of water.
no carbs, you don't retain water (hence the successful fad), and the kidneys get the pain, so you need to drink water all the day non stop, to avoid other issues

>>138537486
how many grams of glycogen are stored normally?

>>138537125
another stupid fad
high fructose syrup is really bad because of this
but the fructose in fruit is not hazardous, because it includes a lot other stuff like fiber

>but anon, I stopped eating fruit and i am slim now
once again, not because of the fruit, but because you cut the calories not eating fruit

the whole restriction industry just cashes on this constantly
>no gluten
>no lactose
...

>>138538189
about 200gr? depends in the amount of muscle mass

>>138537310
The sugar in fruit is almost the same composition of table sugar. The only difference is there is no fiber in the table sugar to flush most of the fructose half of the sugar from your body like in fruit.

So, yes, fruit juice with 20g of sugar from fruit is exactly the same in effect as 20g of table sugar (not counting unlikely other chemicals left behind in refining)

>>138538584
>about 200gr? depends in the amount of muscle mass
so ~600g of water is no longer stored?

>>138538592
ok, well low carb/high fat diet removes fructose too, you happy now?

>>138538592
Fruit juice without pulp specifically

>>138538855
No, my whole problem from the beginning is that not all sugar is the same, and glucose is important for energy. Your diet is not safe for an active lifestyle. It is for people with epilepsy.

>>138537030
>walked
>average person

sure, I expected that to work

>>138538855
I am sorry but i won't answer any more of your questions, mate
find the info yourself if you are interested
you can find plenty of videos about how amazing is keto, and plenty telling you the truth from a health and performance standpoint

Just stop giving fat people free healthcare and pity points
Taxing food is retarded
t. skeleton

>>138538855
i forgot: you can find plenty of studies about how you can lose fat while not getting into ketosis
cheers

>>138539220
>>138539537
because you btfo your own logic by claiming a large amount of water would be lost, despite only 2.7 g per g of gycogen lost, which amounts to less than 600g?

haha

>>138539537
but you won't tell us who it happens, biologically speaking

you sound legit

>>138539186
>glucose is important for energy
not in ketosis, fat is used for energy, and the glycerol at th centre of the triglyceride is converted to glucose for brain use, everything else uses ketones

my diet is for those who wish to use up stored fat, with no hunger

>>138539901
I already did, 5 times already
>btfo
you don't even knew the body retains water on carbs

even /fit/ is already past the keto craze
it is a stupid fad for novice
next month you will be posting about fasting changing your life

>>138540188
You don't even know what fat is.

>>138540331
>you don't even knew the body retains water on carbs
according to your own figures it's 600g or less

WOW! LESS THAN A KILO

>it is a stupid fad
aah, the buzzword again, I totally believe you now you have shown yourself to be retarded and also claiming a fad

>next month you will be posting about fasting changing your life
already fasting, only eating once per 24 hrs, or maybe a small snack too. really easy too, hardy any hunger

>>138540666
what's fat then? can I look it up on wikipedia?

TRUMP/COL SANDERS 2020

>>138540854
just use almond flour on your chicken coatings, no carbs!

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>>138512285
Reinstate slavery for niggers. Fat nigger bitches increase the average BMI in the US by at least 10 points. A little cotton picking will whip them right into shape methinks

>>138540761
>already fasting
I knew it
congrats: you are a walking meme
for the 6th time, your stupid regime success is not because of eating in a weird scheme of hours/ratios, but because of calorie restriction

I have already lost my hope of you understanding this fact, because i have already posted it 5 times

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_rme49ObgNg

at least you are doing stuff you proper your life, even if you are getting memed
to each its own

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>>138515301
FUCK YOUR RIGHT!
Ever since THIS MOVIE came out I rmember, I was trying to figure out, when fast food prices went up. THIS WAS IT, right WHEN it happened, and this was why the stupid shit went up high for nothign, when it happened, and what it happened for

Just tell moron to just eat what they need and build more grocery stores so people can get real food or just send them to the fields if they are on welfare.
>>138512654
typical yuropoor
>>138528880
Thin people are either more active than they think or eat less than they think. You can bend the laws of thermodynamic

>>138541595
can't

>>138541320
>your stupid regime success is not because of eating in a weird scheme of hours/ratios, but because of calorie restriction
ok, so I'm eating less calories, but also no carbs? and you approve of the less calories, but not of not eating fries and chugging coke?


OMG A WALKNG MEME!! ACHEIVEMENT UNLOCKED!!!

qrd on this vid?

>>138540849
You keep saying fat as if that's all that your fat cells are full of. Fat cells pick up all sorts of compounds and even toxic heavy metals. You do not realize the the depth of what you say when you rightly say that the diet makes you subsist on what has built up from the past

>>138541924
>the diet makes you subsist on what has built up from the past
so the only safe way is liposuction since the fat cells are full of uranium and whaetver?

wat?

>>138542927
No, the only safe way is to not do it all at once. When your body needs energy and starts sucking out aluminium hydroxide from your childhood vaccinations without else diluting your blood you could cause neurological damage.

When I fast, I live on beans and rice, and have the energy to swim for an hour at the end of every day.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2819810/

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>>138544345
>When I fast, I live on beans and rice

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>>138544515
I make a badass hummus

>>138545227
I'll give you a taste of my shoe

fasting whilst still eating

>>138544345
>When I fast, I live on beans and rice, and have the energy to swim for an hour at the end of every day.
why would a fat person lack energy? they have a ton saved

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>>138545333
We have different definitions of fasting. I fast twice a week and sometimes several weeks at a time from eating animals, but at the same time animals taste good, so I could never become a vegetarian or vegan...

>>138545714
ok, well you aren't a fatty

we were talking about how to solve obesity

and the answer is ketosis

why do you tempt me with bnana in tomato with a dozen cheerios?

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>>138545474
Because metabolism itself requires energy. Because fat fucks already have to exert multiple times more energy to lift their fat asses. Because bad oxygen flow...

>>138546182
>Because metabolism itself requires energy.
right, and they don't have any energy stored as fat?

derp

re your pic, you seem upset that people are upset, and also upset that people want to stop being fat

>>138512285
People need to want to be healthy. It's a life choice. As long as people are content being fat last slobs, they will remain as such.

>>138512285
I would loosen liability laws that make it that a doctor get sued for malpractice if some idiot does something potentially dangerous like fasting.

Legalized substances that actually increase muscle mass and are proven to lose weight
Once America can buy skinny, it will be skinny

>>138549119
To add: these substance would be any and all anabolic steriods.

No you don't have to work out to gain muscle and lose weight on roids.

Here's a link for that fact.
http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJM199607043350101

In addition we must legalize selling T3 and T4 hormone. They actually boost the metabolism.

Onces the middle class and up can buy skinny it will become taboo to be obese. Similar to how it's taboo to have brown/yellow teeth. (Yes people have it, but a lot less now then before people started bleeching their teeth)

>>138512285
have childhood obesity be considered a form of child abuse

fat tax

free weight loss programs

>>138517901
> making McDonalds more expensive is a violation of my human rights

t. fatass

>>138547540
but if they knew that carbs make you fat, they might stick to the steaks, chicken, fried chiken, cheese, sausages, eggs, bacon, salad veg etc, instead of eating chips, fries, cake and bread

>>138547963
>potentially dangerous like fasting
but as long as they stuff themselves with carbs from potatoes, corn, sugar etc, he should get a medal

fucking aussies

>>138550879
>fat tax
carb tax you faggot, or at least start telling fatties that's why they are fat

but coke has lobbyists

>>138553286
the meat, cheese and salad is fine, it's the fries, bun and ketchup that is bad, oh and the coke and FUCKING POTATO FILLED MILKSHAKES THAT ARE MORE CALORIES THAN THE BURGER AND FRIES!!

>>138553754
oh look its a typical reddit faggot who browses fitness and only knows what other people constantly recycle

you obviously dont know that high protein intake spikes insulin just as much as high carb in obese people

OH WELL I DONT KNOW ANYTHING BUT I STILL POTS SOME SHIT ON THE CHANS

fucking retard

>>138554001
also inb4 calories in calories out faggot

you literally dont know anything

>>138554001
>high protein intake spikes insulin just as much as high carb in obese people
the exact amount? source please

so what is your solution? oats and squats?

>OH WELL I DONT KNOW ANYTHING BUT I STILL POTS SOME SHIT ON THE CHANS
you seem upset

>>138512285
>replace all corn crops with any viable crops that normally grow in california
>let california secede
>reduce HFCS production to zero
>remove californians from american societal influence