Abandon the Swastika

>>138443622
Yes tired of you NatSoc niggers causing shit that makes us all look bad. We want slaves, not gas chambers you idiots.

>>138443622
You have to normalize swastika. Wear swastika in everything. Tag it in your jacket. Put a few bumper stickers on your car. Buy a swastika hoodie (pm me). When you do this hard enough people will realise that its pretty normal

Nazis are still socialists. Why would anyone in their right mind be a socialist?

>>138443622
>We

sage

>>138443931
Why would anybody in their right mind be a capitalist zionist jew cock sucker?

>>138444700
checked and this

>>138443622
Yes please. Between Hillary fans being satanist witches and you faggots larping as nazis, it's fucking impossible to enjoy being edgy.

>>138443622
Not a natsoc fag, but yes... get rid of all the Nazi symbolism. You guys ruin everything you touch with that shit.

>>138443931
Capitalism does not blend well with nationalism. Capitalism is actually the predecessor of globalism, or as Adolf put it, "Internationalism".

>>138444973
Internationalism is not the same as globalism.

>>138443724
I'd be amenable to gas under the right circumstances, ovens too. It really depends on the right ingredients though, doesn't it.

>>138445014
It's the exact same shit under a different name you doormat-head.

>>138443622

Yes, instead of the swastika we should use other European pagan symbols. Like the ones they used for SS divisions.

>>138444700
What separates national socialism from communism?

Serious question. I've always been libertarian in my adult life, but never accepted the open borders nonsense of libertarians in the US. I'm interested.

>>138445136
Uhh no

Internationalism=like minded regimes should cooperate with each other
Globalism=all of humanity is part of a world global community

>>138443622
we must also abandon the crosshair, the 14 and other WN symbols
it must all be new desu

>>138445136
>you doormat-head.
I'm guessing this is an insult that is lost in translation. Yes it's insulting, but not nearly enough. Shit-for-brains is a personal favorite of mine, mental-midget if you don't like the vulgarity.

Yes abandon it all and let jews be leaders what could go wrong, be a good goy now

>>138443622

You will never out distance the swastika. You will never be able to adopt another symbol that
WILL NOT get the racist treatment by the Jewish press. Everything will be compared to
National Socialism. The Jews don't just have 25% or 50% of the media. They control and set the
normie narrative. No matter how far away you get from national socialism they will drag you back
to it. Ask you hollowcost questions ad nausium. What did you think of the dead jews? and so on
in interviews.

If you try and water down the message as many groups have- you lose your political
clout. You become like all the rest. More of what we don't need. We need to utilize the people who
are already awake. Use that fanatical core who already understand. Who are ready but waiting for
proper leadership. Break away communities. Safe Area's for Whites to be Whites to work for White
advancement unapologetically- With a simple set of goals any white person can understand and need.

1. End property tax. If you buy a home it is yours. You can't be property taxed out of it.
2. End home modification permits. If you choose to build additional structures on your lot that stay well behind
the property line that is your business and nobody else's. This is the genesis of the White community.
3. End mandatory school enrollment for white children. No more common core. No more jewish multiculturalism.
White children will learn to be motivated, to have endurance, good work ethics and they will be happy for it.

This is the core of the break away community.

Do you know why National Socialism sticks? Because it is ardently anti-jewish. NS says I know
what you are. NS says we will have a future without you. NS is unapologetic. Utterly Masculine. Anti-Feminist.
Pro Ethnic Nationalism. Pro Traditional Family unit. It also has militancy. The left (jews) are afraid of it.
National Socialism is not being properly utilized.

>>138443622
nazi-harmonica.jpg

>>138445305
Libertarianism is a self eroding philosophy. It creates it own problems which then obviously be circumvented with rules and regulation. If the latter does not occur, it's no better than anarchy.

>>138445324
Surely we can't take away the 14 words, it literally just saying we must continue our race and there is objectively nothing wrong with that, it can be applied to all races. So anyone who disagrees with it is a fucking (((cunt)))

>>138445455
Mental lilliput is much more refined.

>>138445455
It's a skinhead reference.

>>138445242
Would be funny to see just how many leftists would even notice that. Can you imagine the headlines? "White Nationalists claiming Wiccan culture", "Nazis co-opting Plastic Paddy legacy, possible link between Aryan Brotherhood and Australia", "Ancient Bulgarian tribesmen no longer allowed to worship publically after archaeologists unearth frog-swastika, possibly NAZI TIME TRAVEL CONFIRMED"...

Regardless though
>>138443622
How would one even go about doing that? Anything that gets identified as non-leftist will still have swastikas all over it by the time it sees the light of MSM reporting. Right now Antifa is hunting people down and the argument is about changing labels; I for one would say "fuck that, go whole hog and carve a few into libtard faces" while there is still a chance for Americans. But you're probably correct insofar as the least popular movement of all time would probably not become any more popular.

>>138445508
I'm coming to realize this, but it still doesn't answer my question vis a vis communism vs natsoc

>>138445472
You had best be a literal ubermensch super-chad with that post.

>>138443622
Yes. It's too tainted unfortunately

>>138445305
The main difference is that nazism denies marxist class warfare.

Ex.

In May 1872 Gobineau was appointed the French minister to Sweden. After arriving in Stockholm, Gobineau wrote to his sister Caroline: "This is the pure race of the North—that of the masters", calling the Swedes "the purest branch of the Germanic race". In contrast to France, Gobineau was impressed with the lack of social conflict in Sweden, writing to Dragoumis: "There is no class hatred. The nobility lives on friendly terms with the middle class and with the people at large".

>>138445531
Mental-Lilliputian

I like it. It'll fly over the heads of the intended targets, but what doesn't?

>>138445552
Never heard it. Norway regional reference?
European in general?

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No. It is our strength. Watch this it will help you understand why we fly this flag.
https://youtu.be/rBqwxRzu8os

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use this symbol.
with a white star at top.
a waving american flag or red/white stripe
and make the 30 50 to represent the 50 states.
it'll look sweet.

and there you go.
you have successfully re-branded.

>>138445662
And then we imported jews as a humanitarian move in WWII...

>>138445918
Might do this tell me if it's any good

>>138445662
So NatSoc relies on racial purity for implementing governmental control without the class warfare necessary with communism?

>>138445918
looks gay nigger

>>138445633
Ah I see. Well if you break down the words of the term National Socialism.
>Socialism
Or socialize, definition:
2.
make (someone) behave in a way that is acceptable to their society.
>and Nationalism:
Nation:
a large aggregate of people united by common descent, history, culture, or language, inhabiting a particular country or territory.
I suppose one could say that it is a way to socialize the people to become Nationalistic towards their Nation (their own people). It doesn't necessarily have anything to with Communism, or (((Socialism))).
At least that is how I see things.
See, once a country has undergone the (((multicultural transformation))) it can no longer be considered a Nation in any sense of the word.

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>>138443622


>L-lets succumb to political correctness, guyz. That is the only way we will bring our degenerate ideology to the normies, by sprinkling it fashy haircuts and polo shirts.
You aren't fighting PC culture, you hateful little maggots aren't even that edgy - You fully participate in contemporary contemporary "PC" language by replacing racism with "racial realism", genocide with "peaceful ethnic cleansing" ... etc But a fascist is a totalitarian, no matter how he tries to spin it, and while I support you right to free speech, bare in mind that if you ever were to act on your beliefs, that is, try to impose a white nationalist rule over this country - I SWEAR YOUR FUCKING HEADS WILL END UP ON A STICK.

>>138445305
In communism all enterprises had to be worker owned and managed by a mandatory formed union.
Private property was limited to personal housing basically.

>>138446008
yes
Nation:
na·tion
ˈnāSH(ə)n/
noun
noun: nation; plural noun: nations

a large aggregate of people united by common descent, history, culture, or language, inhabiting a particular country or territory.
>common descent
This is especially key.

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Never. It causes way too much butthurt in lefties and fair weather nationalists like OP to just be abandoned.

>>138445933
It was fine until the 1970s when the Social Democrats switched to minority pandering due to the failing Swedish manufacturing industry the current Alliansen parties were always globalists though hell even Vänster Partiet prior to the Warsaw Pact incursion into Czechoslovakia were Stalinists who couldn't stop raving about cosmopolitans.

>>138446145
Not really most Communist regimes had switched to various forms of National Communism by the 1960s

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>>138443622
>Should we disassociate the white nationalist movement from the time-soiled imagery associated with what the normies think are literally Hitler?
FTFY, and no fucking shit.

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>>138443622

The Swastika is not an evil symbol and it is almost impossible to disassociate it with National Socialism. It would actually be an insult to everyone who has ever fought and died for NS.

>>138445649
>You had best be a literal ubermensch super-chad

I had a Goebbels quote that gave more meaning to the Ubermensch, but i don't have it on hand.

National Socialism was also about rolling back Jewish degeneracy and Moral decay. About trying to
curb the self imposed hedonism you get in a jewish run society. National Socialism is about trying to
bring back a virtuous society. Morality. Good work ethnic. Wholesomeness. Joy.

Your using the Chad talk. The supposed Alpha male. There is no such animal. Every man, even a great
man will have moments of weakness. Depression/sadness and misery. Life is a roller coaster. It's hard
for the tall as well as the short. I could be every bit as ugly and vertically impoverished as the most inbred
Englishman. Yet I could still be a morally upstanding virtuous person and could try and hopefully succeed in
inspiring others.

You have the /fit level of vanity. Men who act like feminine women. Obsessed with looks and status. This
is a conversation you shouldn't be reading let alone involved in.

>>138446067
>See, once a country has undergone the (((multicultural transformation))) it can no longer be considered a Nation in any sense of the word.

How would NatSoc be possible in any western nation now, then, without genocide or mass deportations based on race?

That's just unrealistic in my mind. I'm willing to agree that a culturally, and to a slightly lesser extent, racially homogenous society is more stable and preferable, but I don't think I could support the steps necessary to achieve that in our current situation.

>>138446286
Correct also Vänsterpartiet was called Vänsterpartiet Kommunisterna until not long ago

Abandon it for IRL things and serious propaganda until we get the ethnostate. If Goebbels were alive today the first thing he would do is disassociate the AR from Natsoc imagery because of how much it works in favor of the enemy now.

Make national socialism something esoteric, something that you discuss in private with your closest friends. Keep it on the chans, not IRL

>>138443622
>Should we disassociate the Natsoc and White Nationalism from the Swastika and other Nazi imagery?
>we
>we

sage this is you take the bait.

>>138446372
This.

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>>138443622
>Personally for the time being I would say it is more beneficence to recruiting normies
Why do we want to recruit people who are triggered by swastikas? Serious question. Why do we want to recruit sheeple and lemmings? Is it because you think numbers = victory? What about when all those normies turn us into civic nationalists, and merge us with the normalfag parties that already exists, and anything new or different we once represented is lost? Also, what have you thought of to prevent such co-optation from occurring -- my guess is, probably nothing, just like when the so-called "alt-right" began.

>>138446067
Do you consider civic natsoc to be theoretically possible?

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>>138445524
the point is it's history, there's literally nothing with the 88 either my friend

but they can both be used against us, the 14 has ties to the klan and racism

>>138443622
so we should be a year behind the alt lite

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>Oy Vey!!! You goyim abandon your flag!!!
>Oy Vey!!! Our army of Communist sympathizing Anti-Fa will fly the Commie flags held high!!!
Really makes you think.

>>138446585
>Keep it on the chans, not IRL
Absolutely good advice there.

>>138446431
Accept the people that are already citizens as our nation. Helicopters are probably inevitable for commies.

>>138443622
you're 100% right and it's the only chance for whites to survive, but /pol/ won't agree with you because hitler and the swastika are what makes them feel warm

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Everyone ITT nervous about "the bad PR and being labeled Nazi" is just a coward. I know it doesn't seem as plain and simple as that, but if you're afraid of the normies frothing at the mouth and demanding your blood when the media tells them you're a bunch of "Nazis", then you're completely misunderstanding how anti-leftist movements succeed. We don't win by the same methods or standards as leftist "mass movements", but since that's all you've ever known, growing up in leftist dominated instutitons and cultures, few of you all can think outside that box. My advice is to read 'Mein Kampf' and 'For my Legionaries'.

>replying to australia
sage

>>138443622
Oh wow, gee, who knew that associating yourselves with people who led their country into war and killed tons of people was a bad thing. Who woulda thunk'd it

>>138443622
Nazi/Hitler/Svastika imagery is powerful and provocative. It's meant to offend! It's a visual "FUCK YOU NIGGER/KIKE" For Neo-Nazis.

>HOWEVER
I believe a true Nationalist Socialist or White Nationalist moment should use different imagery and disassociate with the thuggery of neo-nazism.

We need be more organised, strategical and use our ability to hold intellectual political conversations without mentioning shit that happened decades ago, without mentioning Hitler.

IMHO... Hitler was not "evil" and Mein Kampf is a fantastic read and offers a great insight inot what Hitler REALLY believed in. But we are never going to convert the general population into believing that! So let's keep the Hitler admiration to ourselves.

We need to go out and have more intellectual conversation with friends/family/co-workers and slowly redpill them instead of trying to force natsoc down people's throat with theses UniteTheRight rallies, we're just distancing ourselves further doing this!

>>138446431
>How would NatSoc be possible in any western nation now, then, without genocide or mass deportations based on race?
It is not possible. The country would have to interbreed within all the different types of people, a process which could take hundreds of years to stabilize. And then at the end of it the people would be reduced to the lowest common denominator. The damage is already done. Nothing short of genocide/mass deportation will fix it. Bulkanization and fragmentation of the affected country is the more realistically inevitable result.
> I don't think I could support the steps necessary to achieve that in our current situation.
That's why multiculturalism was part of their destructive plan. They don't want a strong nation(s). They want an infighting population which can never unite against them, as they rule over us. That way they can rule over the entire world.
China is the outlier in this situation which leads me to believe that they are involved in the destruction of other nations.

>>138446684
I don't know what that is.

>>138444973
What is capitalism precisely, compared to what proceeded it or compared to the natural state of things?

Why is the term capitalism even needed? People have always traded. I suppose it was often strictly limited at the will of monarchy. But we still limit it in some ways. So the term seems to mean soothing like; the greater, or greatest possible freedom of capitol use and movement.

Does anyone have a better or more concise plain-speaking definition?

>>138446894
its a sign of successful russian subversion. time to abandon /pol/ i think, they are going to follow dugins lead with this gay "movement" until their purpose is served and they are liquidated

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>>138446953
>should use different imagery and disassociate with the thuggery of neo-nazism
Implying the media is a fair, neutral "observer" and not a partisan opposition force, who will let you "dissociate" from negative imagery because of something you choose to do.
Why are so many of you so well trained to trust the media or your enemies to "play fair"?

>>138446775
I look forward to free helicopter rides of commies and other traitors of all stripes.

I'm just not sure that trying to push all potential anti-commies on those same choppers based on race is a good idea.

>They'll call us Nazis even if we aren't, so we may as well be Nazis! >They'll call us faggots even if we aren't, so we may as well suck each other's dick! Come on you morons, use your brain for a fucking second. Your goal is to convert as many people as you possibly can to your side. Normalfags, are programmed to SHUT IT DOWN internally as soon as they see a swastika. There are smart ways of handling things, and this is not one of them >But we can reclaim the swastika! To reclaim the swastika you would have to be more infamous and successful than Hitler was. Do you think you can do that? Do you think your movement will have a stronger association with the swastika than Hitler? No? Then what you are doing is purposefully dragging in Hitler to everything you do. Of course, practicality aside, the question to be asked is, why bother? Why bother reclaiming it? Why not just make your own symbol free of prior negative associations. Yes, they will call you a Nazi, but that doesn't MAKE you a Nazi. You do not earn the stigma unless you commit the actions. Unless you're responsible for the murder of millions, then their screeching is just rhetorical, not actual, and will not hold sway with anyone. BASIC FUCKING SHIT RETARDS.

>>138446684
>>138447018
I just looked it up. My answer is no. Civic nationalism goes hand in hand with the multicultural agenda, just given a fancy new name.
As I read the definition I could actually hear Justin Trudeau reading the definition for me.

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>>138447080
Duginist subversion... on MY /pol/????

>>138447179
I agree with that. I think at least for America, we'd have best results with a brand of Civic National Socialism.

>>138447211
truth, checked

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>>138445863
Got a storm boner... Beating it... Whew I feel naughty

>>138443622
Yes and we should all be moderate and based, I cannot tell if this is concerned trolling or are you genuinely retarded

Another thing. What is the definition of Fascism?
/pol/ seems to conflate it with NatSoc. But I've heard differing opinions. It seems that Mussolini had a more pure form of "Fascism" and the Nazis were largely lumped into the label because of surface similarities, and association. It seems as though Fascism has a bit of a fuzzy definition.

What's cleanest definition of Fascism you have?

>>138447296
To elaborate, I mean we should expand our definition of a nation to mean America/Americans and not just "whites."

>>138443829
>pm me

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=roMLmYnjslc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Br75AVGbQSU

>>138447296
>>138447394
Civic nationalism is unironically communism

>>138443622
Yes. Your optics are a hundred times more important than your message.

>>138447431
I really don't think we're ever going to be able to eliminate all colored people from the States.

>>138447018
Something I made up just now I guess. But what I meant was something like a natsoc economic system combined with civic nationalism. Let's say socialism requires class conflict and natsoc basically replaces that with ethnic conflict, is there anything that doesn't inherently require conflict? I guess that's what I'm saying.

>>138447397
More like 14 is riding on 88's shoulders while 88 sprays 6,000,000 with bug spray.

>>138447379
Read the Doctrine of Fascism.

>>138447431
Depends on the regime North Korea and Ceausescu's Romania were ethnic nationalists.

>>138443829
you are never going to normalize the swastika you fucking moron. Its nothing but lead weight at this point. Ditch that shit and think smart or get use to looking at brown children in your family.

>>138443622
the better option is to set up another organisation like the alt right that uses memes and such to ease the normies into relpilling

>>138447535
WATCH ME CUNT

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You cannot control the imagery: the media and the FBI have been controlling it since the days of COINTELPRO. You can bend over backwards to make sure no one shows up to your rallies with a swastika or wearing Klan regalia, and the FBI or some lone whacko will show up anyway, and every MSM agent with a camera in a 200 km radius will swarm that guy and he'll be the front page photo around the world, just like syrian ambulance boy was. You could have brought 1 million men, fit and lean, dressed in khaki pants and white polo shirts, clean-cut and orderly, and the one wino they paid $150 bucks to after handing him a Swaztika flag, will become your "PR problem". Until all of you get this through your skulls, and stop judging success by what the MSM imagery is, you're all going to be at a psychological and strategic disadvantage. Also, stop thinking that "recruiting the most normies = success", because the majority of normies are mentally enslaved to the Mainstream Media. You don't actually want a majority of your members in your movement to be people like that; they're a deadly liability. Go for higher quality first, increased numbers second: the former has a multiplying effect on the latter given enough time. People follow strength and quality above all things.

>>138447097
Well it's either that...so we re-invent ourselves as a more intellectual movement.

Or.... you're absolutely correct - no matter how we conduct ourselves they'll always find a way to paint us a's thugs .... in this case then we go balls out as >>138443829 said

If we are never going to be able to change the thuggish image we have then we simply stick to it, one up ourselves and wear the swastika blatantly out in publics in droves of natsoc supporters.

So either we
>doubledown : reinvent ourselves and improve our image problem
>double up: intensify our current image, be bolder and more ruthless than ever but still drop redpill's.

Either way, we cannot remain as we are because we are fuckin losing so hard. Either re-evaluate and re-invent or go all out with our 1488 balls out.

>>138447471
Which is why bulkanization occurs, has occurred already, and will only become more intense.. Eventually the USA will fragment into separate countries. To prevent this would require civil war. To go along with it will also lead to civil war. This is why borders exist, and have always existed.

>>138443622
After Charlotsville and listening to a number of alt-right thinkers explaining why it's not helpful, I do think it should be banned. The swastikas and KKK guys at UtR were likely shills.

>>138446401
I honestly like this post.

I suspect that you guys will have to simply succeed through living the best example of what you believe. Eighty years of brainwashing cannot easily be overcome--probably not at all--at least not through words. But if you all stick to your guns (so to speak, lol) and live what you believe, and make sure that is seen, don't hide yourselves away, there will always be those who will want to be like you.

>>138447507
>is there anything that doesn't inherently require conflict?
Not a thing in this world.

>>138447268
i just want to go back to shitposting about current events

>>138447701
Thank you. That's a great point.

>>138446964
Problem is, we are all pawns in the scheme. Not just whites like me, but all of us. If we go to war on one another along racial lines, we will be playing right into (((their))) plans. But if it is forced on me, I know my side, but first and foremost, I will know my true targets in that case. And it won't be my darker-skinned neighbors, unless they obviously side wrong.

>>138445863
0_0
no wonder hitler rose to power
the man had a way with words
if i wasn't immune to all forms of propaganda i would be killing commies right now

>>138446964
the percentage of blacks is about the same as it was when lincoln was planning to send them all to africa, and a population exchange between mexico and usa would be on about the same scale as the one between greece and turkey. i dont know why everyone has to jump to genocide

>>138443622
> we
you got a mouse in your pocket?
> muh national socialism
fuck you.
if anything needs to be "disassociated", its motherfucking socialism
"national socialism" is STILL SOCIALISM and it's end goal is still the same, goddamned communism.
> muh white nationalism
again, fuck you.
nationalism doesnt require any modifiers
america needs NATIONALISM WITHOUT ADJECTIVES
thats what Theodore Roosevelt believed, and it's as true today as it was 100 years ago.

tacking your fail ass bullshit oonto nationalism robs america of it's foundation, and prevents us (The United States) from making our country great again.
every time you faggot spergs show up to an event in your fascist cosplay, you play right into the hands of the enemy
you create a false dilemma:
america must either embrace socialism bernie sanders style, or socialism adolph hitler style
EITHER WAY WE STILL GET SOCIALISM

and in the end it's all the same socialism.
fuck nazis. fuck "natsoc". fuck "white nationalism", and most of all fuck you.
you dont get to set the terms, in fact YOU dont even get a vote you filthy straya cunt.

>>138447726
Fuck banning anything. It's a form of thought policing. Only encourages the bolsheviks. I'd rather not put any more feathers in their damned faggot hats/masks.

>>138447756
but why

>>138446953
But don't ever expect the you-know-who owned media to portray you fairly, or for anyone out there to give you a fair chance. Like my mother always used to say, "honey, life is unfair. Get used to it. Deal with it." Like I said to another poster just now, live what you believe and do it openly and with grace and pride and dignity. People will come to you if you do that. But most of them would never approach you at all if you go on about Hitler and brandish swastikas and so forth.

Myself, I love the swastika and find it a beautiful, fascinating symbol in all its dimensions, from the National Socialist movement to its Hindu and Native American significance. It's sad that people hate it now. Not much we can do about it though. The whole world will have to be remade before people will stop hating national socialism and Hitler and all that they stood for; I don't think the plan will work in reverse. The change must come first; the swastika won't make it happen, and in fact, it holds back the change because using it hands the enemy a familiar and potent weapon.

The beliefs are the important part anyway, not the symbol.

>>138447762
If you country isn't actively subverted, and on the verge of a cultural war, then shitpost away, my friend. I envy you in that case!

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>>138447656
All I can really tell you is that you must deprive the enemy of effective weapons. If your imagery is your liability, then you've lost before you even got started -- because the enemy already has a monopoly on imagery. If you can't deprive the MSM of the ability to just deploy the "Nazi" label and defeat you, then you're never gonna win. You don't have to wear swastikas to be immune to them, you simply have to not sweat when someone uses them around you (because they always will). You can't sweat no matter what they associate you with. Either you own these labels consciously and say "I don't care what you call me, you're anti-white so everything you say is hate", or you back down. Either you say "the holocaust is an anti-white narrative built on lies, and we are being maligned by anti-whites with it -- Hitler was a hero of European peoples" the way Rockwell did, or you give up and join the enemy because all you know how to do is "become popular", and Hitler isn't popular. That's really the Achilles heel of our thinking so far, thinking that "popularity = success". That's the lemming-tier thinking that makes normies the shit they are; we aren't really representing an alternative if we share that mindset.
>tl;dr
You can't EVER talk about the JQ or race realism without being labeled "Nazi", so you might as well embrace it and show them you don't care.

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>>138443622
>hitlerfapper kids
lol

>>138447790
You have a problem with people who want to stick to their own kind and not have outside interference? That would make you no better than a foreign invader. I don't have a problem with blacks wanting to stick to their own, and I don't have a problem with whites wanting to stick to their own. It is the natural order of things and how they have worked (well) for thousands of years. What makes your view of things so special that you would force people to live with people that they don't want to live with, and consider yourself righteous?
Just out of curiosity, what would you refer to your side as? What name would you give it?

>>138448108
Haha, that's life, I'm afraid.

>>138447211
You are of course absolutely right.

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>>138443622
>it is more beneficence to recruiting normies
>more beneficence

>>138448112
Mate, if you have never read Mein Kampf, then please do! Hitler was not the evil man he was painted as. He also tried to reaching out to Britain and never wanted war but an ally. He also kept the Red Army from invading Europe... look into the Red Army during WW2 THEY were more of a threat than the Nazi's. If Nazi Germany never happened..Europe would have fell to the red army communists.

It's actually impressive how much ((they)) have destroyed the natsoc image. The whole world condemns nazis and in school of a young age you are told how evil Hitler was and nasty the nazis were.

It's incredible how well they've destroyed natsoc so much that's it's almost impossible to bring it back and resurrect it.

>>138447906
>percentage
Percentage does not matter in this case, it is the raw number that is the issue. You don't list capacity of seafaring vessels by ... percentages.

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Maori are inherently right wing

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>It is rotten and dismal that a world of so many hundred million people should be ruled by a single caste that has the power to lead millions to life or to death, indeed on a whim...This caste has spun its web over the entire earth; capitalism recognizes no national boundaries...Capitalism has learned nothing from recent events and wants to learn nothing, because it places its own interests ahead of those of the other millions. Can one blame those millions for standing up for their own interests, and only for those interests? Can one blame them for striving to forge an international community whose purpose is the struggle against corrupt capitalism? Can one condemn a large segment of the educated Stürmer youth for protesting against the greatest ability? Is it not an abomination that people with the most brilliant intellectual gifts should sink into poverty and disintegrate, while others dissipate, squander, and waste the money that could help them? … You say the old propertied class also worked hard for what it has. Granted, that may be true in many cases. But do you also know about the conditions under which workers were living during the period when capitalism “earned” its fortune?
>We and we alone have the best social welfare measures. Everything is done for the nation. . . .The Jews are the incarnation of capitalism.

>>138448119
yeah, except because of this dumb kosher nationalism movement propagated by the ruskies /pol/s probably gonna get gulaged for being enemy propaganda
>>138448487
im sure theres enough boats if thats what your worried about

>>138443622
Should we disassociate the Natsoc and White Nationalism from the Swastika and other Nazi imagery?
Yes

>>138443622
You should dissociate from NatSoc and all failed 20th century ideologies based on German Autism.

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>>138443622

>>138448545
Maoris don't have to hide their appreciation for Nazis.

>>138447908
National "Socialism" is called this because the basic idea is that the survival of the community must come before your own; it neither rejects private property nor call for communism, if anything it freezes social hierarchies into a sort of neo-feudalism and even that depends on where you pull it up. You are the one that seems to have internalised a false dilemma - all who aren't leftists get stylised as Nazis by your establishment outlets right now. It is those that force that apparent choice, just look at all the shit said about Trump already. But you put the onus on those who accept the label and start hitting back. Really, if this kind of shit succeeds, you won't get any sort of nationalism. Just voluntary self-genocide. It's like seeing your sister raped and castrating your Dad so she is avenged. Use whatever obvious imagery will make the enemy unbalanced and irrational. Then draw them and defeat them. That is what you need now, the appearance of power. Not the appearance of division. That is for when you're already perceived as the helpless victim. Basically read this: >>138447652

>>138448487
Super tankers sitting at docks empty... Easily filled with 100k people in containers that could then be unloaded on the other side and used as housing. African QoL would take a huge step up.

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>>138448646
>failed 20th century ideologies
Always makes me laugh, since it was actually the one 20th century ideology that succeeded. Normies like you that cry "failed ideology" constantly are such sheeple.

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>>138448612
It will not happen, and I would not expect the deportees to go along without a massive chimpout on a scale that would result in civil war.

This fucking guy! WW2 was 70 years ago you dumbshit australian kangaroo fucker. Keep the swaztika,don't keep it.Nobody actually gives a fuck! You lost! You're not recruiting "normies" to anything.I hate it when baby-boomer fucks actually take /pol/ seriously.

>>138447296
I dunno...look back to when this country was happiest, most united, most high-functioning, most successful. Basically a meritocracy, capitalism with some sensible limitations, a ton of emphasis on individual drive, work ethic, patriotism, fair play and decency, and limited use of socialism to handle difficult questions, like whether or not the government should help people save for retirement or support a healthcare system for all. Social Security isn't a bad thing. Medicare isn't a bad thing. Full-blown socialism is dicey; modern and NSDAP Germany made it work but it often fails--see Venezuela. Communism is absolute poison. We had it right before--we need to return to that formula.

As far as race is concerned, we need to crush or expel all those who preach hatred and divisiveness to an extreme, especially against whites; we are still the majority, we built this country, we deserve to keep it and continue to be its central administrators and guardians. I think racism is normal and everyone feels some degree of it. The problem is when you demonize one race and claim only they can be racist--so that you can take away what they have for yourself, what's going on now with blacks and Muslims and some Latinos in this country vs. whites.

>>138448190
Hitler was voted into power for a reason! European countries gladly allied and welcomed his troops for a reason! The Red Army never invaded Europe and became THE superpower of WW2 for a reason = Hitler!

I was reluctant to read Mein Kampf because back then, although I considered myself a nationalist (I'm white British) I stayed away from anything to do with the nazis because of what I was taught at school... once I finally read the book, my whole view on Hitler and Nazi Germany changed forever! I then looked into WW2 EVEN MORE and realised who much we were lied to and how the Jewish deaths were exaggerated, how Churchill instigated war with Hitler and how Hitler actually never wanted to go to war with the British and wanted an alliance as he was always fond of Britain and the history of the British empire.

>>138448750
Get right on that then. I wont hold my breath.

>>138448279
>and consider yourself righteous?
Project much? I consider myself a patriot. I love my family and my god. I have no problem with people wanting to stick to their own kind. My country, like yours, is vast, and you can find that whiteopia if you search for it. I don't want to kick out anyone who doesn't pass an arbitrary skin color test, or arbitrary dna test. If they're sufficiently patriotic, they're fine by me. If they're not, and many aren't then hang them high. I will never accept genocide based on race, nor mass deportations on race. I don't want to be judged by any sins of my father or any of my ancestors, and I will never judge others accordingly.

I will absolutely judge others based on their own actions, in their own lives, and have no qualms about enforcing the traitor's fate for traitors. Commies should die, even if they're whiter than snow. Black patriots (and they're out there, even if outnumbered by others of their race) should not.
That is my philosophy.

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MAKE EUROMONKEYS YBERMONSH AGAIN

no, just change the name to National Centrism or something.

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>>138448810
>You lost!
Implying anyone other than Jews "won"... and that's why jews are afraid of "failed ideologies" returning.

>>138448857
Well said.

>>138447701
I wonder if that fragmentation will happen in our lifetimes. I do agree that if things keep going the way they are, it will happen.

The Swastika is a symbol of our people, it's inspiring a whole new generation to rise up and claim their birthright!

Gen Z thinks swastikas are fun, Gen X doesn't give a shit and the boomers will boom.

Hail victory

>>138443622
Another shill thread to slightly lower the standed of the alt-right, if they suceed with abandonment of Nazism, this will lead to a slippery slope with end goal of pjw tier. /pol/ should remain the end goal of redpilling there are a vast amount of other sources of moderate sites to lead to the final redpill of Nazism.

>>138448912
Go back to the roots of National Syndicalism

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>Implying that nazism wasn't created by high-tier Zionists to provide eternal immunity for Jews over "le holocaust"
>Sacrifice is at the core of Jewish religion, those people who died at hands of nazis were nothing but an offering for a "greater cause"
>Implying that Nazis -> White Nationalism; Why did they kill other whites then?

JEWS ARE THE REAL ENEMY!
YOUR RACE DOESN'T MATTER - THEY WANT _ALL_ GOYS TO OBEY!

>>138448837
We'd effectively have to establish something like the CSA in that case which I wouldn't be too opposed to but it would be just the same to those currently in power.

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>>138447652

>>138443622
This whole image and optics shit is never gonna work, all you do by abandoning these symbols is drifting closer towards cuckservative capitalist ideologies or some marxist shit. Cville was great for the right wing.

>>138443622

Quoting Rockwell on the swastika:

His aim, he said, was to make people pay attention to his simple core message of the need for rebuilding a White, Jew-free America based on the principles laid down by Adolf Hitler in Mein Kampf. When he had tried to present that message in a sober, serious way, no one had paid any attention to him. The newspapers and television stations wouldn’t send reporters to his press conferences, they ignored his press releases, and the public didn’t even know he existed. But as soon as he raised the Swastika banner, the news media went crazy and swarmed all over him. He was seen on all the TV channels and what he said was reported in the newspapers.

Yes, I answered, the theatrics get attention for you — but your message gets badly distorted. The media try to make you look like a madman and a clown, and to a large extent they succeed. The result is that most of the people attracted to you are losers, social outcasts, freaks. If you want to attract winners — serious, competent, idealistic people — you need a serious image.

Rockwell responded that it is the losers, the social outcasts, who make up the ranks of every revolutionary movement. They’re the ones who are available, the ones who don’t have anything to lose by becoming associated with a politically incorrect cause.

Individually they may not be very impressive but large numbers of them, organized and disciplined, would make a revolutionary army. He had tried appealing to what I called the winners: to the teachers and professors, to the doctors and lawyers and engineers, to the writers and artists, to the businessmen and the craftsmen, to his fellow military officers, to the careful, responsible men and women with steady employment and stable families. And he had found that while many of them agreed with him in principle, almost none had the moral courage to stand up and be counted among the righteous.

>>138444700
Zionism and capitalism are completely unrelated.
America had 150 years of thriving Jew free Capitalism.

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>>138448906
>If they're sufficiently patriotic, they're fine by me
So, you're just denying that race exists, that your nation succeeds because race is real and affects what societies can accomplish, or what kind of social orders they are capable of maintaining. You're a cuckservative, and if you don't understand race realism yet, you should lurk more until you do.

https://www.gwern.net/docs/2003-murray-human-accomplishment.pdf
>Dysgenics: Genetic Deterioration in Modern Populations
http://docdro.id/avPyEsh
https://youtu.be/Nxv2x0DJonk
https://pastebin.com/Q1hMEC4a
http://humanbiologicaldiversity.com/

>>138448683
>ID: OYkULT
>occult

>>138449098
>it's the losers, the social..
God damn was he woke

>>138449120
You mean for the first 70 or so until industry, urbanization, and corporatism killed any type of libertarianism forever?

>>138443622
>that pic
"German soldier misunderstands invitation to 'Eat Lead'"

>>138448810
I hate it when our children are indoctrinated with marxist bullshit. That is what is driving our future war. And you won't win this one, unless total destruction all around is your idea of a victory. If so, while I gasp my last breath, I will die with a smile on my face, knowing your evil vision of utopia will never come to be.

>>138449120
>Zionism and capitalism are completely unrelated.

Haha yeah right, like when they showed their greed during the 1850s railroad constructions when they didn't feel like paying white man wages so they imported Chinks and now you have China town

>>138443622
>Should we disassociate the Natsoc and White Nationalism from the Swastika and other Nazi imagery?

Why would you? It's the symbol that has always represented it. You don't see communists getting rid of the sickle and hammer.

>What do you guys think?

I think you should grow up and stop being an edgy NatSoc.

>>138449222
Well he wasn't one of the most famous NatSocs in America for no reason

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>>138449098
>He had tried appealing to what I called the winners: to the teachers and professors, to the doctors and lawyers and engineers, to the writers and artists, to the businessmen and the craftsmen, to his fellow military officers, to the careful, responsible men and women with steady employment and stable families. And he had found that while many of them agreed with him in principle, almost none had the moral courage to stand up and be counted among the righteous.
Dr. Pierce spoke about this too:
https://youtu.be/0Pgnng3bVlc

>>138443622
Not fully, but we need to be realistic and admit how unlikely it is that any mass NatSoc movement can ever rise again under it.

Slowly boil the water until it's too late to turn back. We can reintroduce the swastika, but it's doubtful we can get the numbers to make it to power while still using it as a primary image.

Once the movement grows to substantial size, propaganda efforts can take over to reimplement the image.

>>138443622
New movements have new symbols. Uniting the right under a new symbol would be a good thing but first you must have a united movement. This seems difficult due to all the different ideologies (natsoc, alt right, alt lite, conservatism, nationalism, ancap, libertarianism etc) which ultimately makes us weaker. Also the modern right has introduced no new symbols to surpass it.

>>138449344
Thats not how it works. You don't build a revolution on weak ideals. It just doesn't happen.

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>>138449384
>first you must have a united movement. This seems difficult due to all the different ideologies (natsoc, alt right, alt lite, conservatism, nationalism, ancap, libertarianism etc) which ultimately makes us weaker.
Sounds familiar. "Those who do not learn from history..."

Did displaying the swastika win us the election?
No?
Then it's not gonna get him re-elected and it's not gonna help make policy... I blame it (in part) for the political hardships the right has been experiencing lately... it's like being a cross dresser or a swinger, idgaf what you do in privacy of home but fucking keep it there!

>>138449384
>right wing
Third position you fool, Right Wing are just a bunch of controlled opposition zionists like Milton Friedmans CIA cumrag Pinochet

>>138449126
>You're a cuckservative, and if you don't understand race realism yet, you should lurk more until you do.
Being a race "realist" means understanding that there exceptions, you fucking moron. You and I both know the smartest African would wipe the floor with the dumbest European, so what is your point?

You'd rather side with the Jews and go all out racial genocide? What's your cutoff point for what's white enough? How many potential allies would you throw into the oven while the rest of world plans your eventual death?

YOU are the biggest obstacle to your own pipedream!

>>138449319
Yes that is why the killed him, its quite sad to look at history and see leaders with great potential die mysteriously

>>138448468
Oh, I have, and I know, believe me. I read it in high school and I'm middle aged. I don't think he was as wonderful as some of you paint him, but he wasn't anywhere near the evil man he's been portrayed as ever since the war. In many ways I think he was a decent man who tried hard to do good for his people. He was also brilliantly intelligent and very insightful.

I view these leaders as people in a very direct way. It's no surprise that both Bill Clinton and Obama were troubled, angry sons of egotistical, self-centered single mothers. Likewise Hitler came from an abusive, unhappy childhood and bore those scars. He sought to create a safe paradise for all, an ideal country, a sort of German Shangri-La if you will, for reasons I deeply empathize with. And he reacted when it was threatened as any man of his age would have.

The 20th century was an age of war, of settling things through violence; the bomb ended that directness, and frankly I miss it. Now it's all proxy wars, espionage, propaganda, subversion and lies. The frog in the pot of heating water. I wish Hitler had been able to see the future, and knowing that he would lose the war, just sat down and refused to fight, defended Germany's borders and done whatever he could to fight international Jewry and Communism without losing everything.

But it's done, we can't change it now. We can only move forward with hope and hard work and a positive spirit.

No, I don't believe Hitler can be reclaimed, at least not anytime soon. But the best thing is to live the values he tried to safeguard, and teach them to others. It doesn't matter what we call them or how we attribute them; the important part is those truths. He really was right about almost everything, and we can all teach people these things without letting them know whose wisdom they are actually absorbing.

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>>138449596
>Did displaying the swastika win us the election?
It didn't make us lose.
>Then it's not gonna get him re-elected and it's not gonna help make policy...
Not promoting pro-white ideals and values isn't going to ensure he makes pro-white policies. If you aren't pro-white, then we aren't part of the same movement.

>>138449680
>Being a race "realist" means understanding that there exceptions, you fucking moron
Pic related, genius. Actually study that shit I linked to you before you post. You're bluepilled af.

>>138449680
There are no jewish allies. I'd see the last man die if the truth couldn't exist.

>>138449596
(((democracy))) is futile lad the Jews still control your country

>>138448906
Right... so you do in fact consider yourself righteous. Glad we cleared that up.
I'm sure in 300 years you can achieve that ethnic homogeneity, by interbreeding, which will allow your people to not be divided based on differences. All I'm saying is division and bulkanization will happen, has happened already, and is natural. Any attempt to stop it will be in vain. USA will fragment, and what will you be a patriot towards when it happens? (assuming you are still around)

But if you get rid of the swastika 90% of the "white nationalists" here will stop caring about the cause! For angry 20-something it's more about the cool naughty symbolism than the future of our people y'know

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Sheeiiit

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NOOOOOO!!
That symbolizes that Jews are the enemy of the world !! If they leave the svastica, they lose!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WfZ22eJfj10

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>>138449773
>it would be better for us to go down with Bolshevism than live in eternal slavery under capitalism.

>>138449862
Wow all the people that will actually fight will leave but atleast well have the midwest moms and dads on our side!

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>>138449862
>For angry 20-something it's more about the cool naughty symbolism than the future of our people y'know
No it's actually about not cucking and disavowing pro-white movements you agree with just because (((CNN))) tells you to.

>>138449637
Just a generalisation. Many who may appear to be on our side of the barricade will have different opinions and ideologies. Some third position and some right wing. The question is how this is handled and who comes out on top.

>>138449098
>And he had found that while many of them agreed with him in principle, almost none had the moral courage to stand up and be counted among the righteous.
And don't we just see that again now. I would love a moment of omnicience, to know how many people out there now secretly agree with Trump, with the alt/right or whatever, with things they've read here and in similar places. I would bet that the number is huge, far greater than most of us even would imagine, and moreover, that even some of the media and so forth would be in that group as well.

But they will never, ever stand up.

>>138450015
The ones who associate themselves as Right Wingers are pretty much always Pro Israeli Zionists, Baathism for example is much more close to National Socialism than some Anglo-Zionist Right Winger will ever be.

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>>138443622
There is an effort to define American Nationalism as White Nationalism. This is correct
1) Lead your opposition to oppose a powerful symbol. this is how to control them as they seek something to give their efforts justification.
2) Uniting under the american flag will divide the opposition and support into American vs. Anti-American, whereas flying a partitioning flag will divide your own support and unite the opposition against you. You cannot fly the flag of an old historical adversary (even if it was a mistake) and expect to receive wide cultural, financial, and international support.
3) It is lawful in every way to carry the U.S. flag and say anything you want to define it. Force fed red pills.
4) If America is openly pro-white majority and non-whites accept that, it is a win.
5) Any government in the U.S. (local, state, federal) will feel obligated to protect the U.S. flag as a symbol, and any violence against it cannot be portrayed as moral.
6) Any partitioning symbology (confederate flag) will be perceived as weak individualism by strong people and leaders. You should at least want to try to have your ideas integrated into the massive institutions that already exist. Partitioning the U.S. when it is not absolutely necessary would have to be the dumbest thing, for only the dumbest people.
7) Define your opposition and hold them to that label. In this case it would be best as Marxism/Trotskyism. The JQ at this point does not market well as an open label and does not include ant-white gentiles within that category.
8) The disadvantages of not defining yourself are too many, WHEN NATIONALISM IS ALL ABOUT DEFINING YOURSELF

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>>138443622
Swastika is a part of Indo-European culture that was around thousands of years before Nazis. It kis kikes who like to erase history and culture of goyim so much and this is main reason they hate it.

>>138449308
>You don't see communists getting rid of the sickle and hammer.
They would if it were mass stigmatized by every branch of the media--tv, movies, newspapers, network news etc.--for eighty fucking years LOL.

>>138443622
I understand what you are saying. We need to adopt a new strategy, otherwise we will keep losing.

>>138449713
And you won't see some of the "alt/right"'s so-called "leaders" EVER expire mysteriously, I'd bet. They will all live to a ripe old age.

>>138443622
Sure. I'll call the air force and the president's office and tell them to get rid of swastikas, too.

>>138450149
They won't as long as they aren't actually redpilled or anything. Just because Trump is in office doesn't mean we've won shit. Normie Lemmings are mindless will politics. As GLR said it, revolution is spectator sport.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dqXy5znNTbo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=22Es3pd5Xuc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0DnEua_Sx2g

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9K_NAGtcDPI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sc_NFIw89lA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UZ3to9PqMHs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J41__Fwdkmo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QZ7DJRExWDQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6DAGk5iyc6Y

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c-sOnmsWivs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BbtqLSM6068

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9mNap1WJxv8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eTukjDP9Dlc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k1diY0cnUVA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H7DnHmQ8tE4


JEW ARE THE ENEMY!

>>138445305
Communism is not a proper term for describing any political ideology that has ever been implemented. The versions of communism like Bolshevism are basically Nat Soc without the racial component and with a more mixed economy. Nat Soc has private property and corporations with heavy regulation and guidance from the state. Some Asian countries have components of this model.
The end result though is autists in power wanting to control every aspect of your lives because that's how bureaucracies inevitably work.

>>138449760
Bullshit. So you honestly believe noone can be born to a Jewish family, consider themselves Jewish, whether they practice or not, then choose their own path in life?

If you believe that, then your life was predetermined too, is it not?

You were destined to be the unlogical bigot you are. Current world conditions matter not, you were born the way you are, and you can't do anything about it, good or bad.

Do you realise how dehumanizing that viewpoint is? It allows others to say "well, he was just born a hateful sonofabitch, so we should dispose of him, cause he won't get any better!"

You completely deny logic, and any capacity for learning and self-improvement in life! We know animals can learn and change based on life experiences. Yet you say we are less than animals?!

I disagree.

>>138449743
I'm not blue pilled nor a civic nationalist. The symbol will never be acceptable to normies, and is as cringy as the Kekistani flag. I respect someone's right to their own ideology, and will not infringe on it, but public support is required to win elections and gain political traction. The Nazi flag will never be whitewashed into anything other than an advocacy of the Holocaust in the eyes of society at large.

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>>138450316
I wonder why?

>>138450455
>bigot
Wew, we must consider all of human history as a (((coincidence))), right?

>>138450455
Its nto about any of that, of course not every individual jew themselves is a part of some big plot. But the fact is that they as a tribe have constantly undermined other groups and have consistently been subverting other groups in order to push their agendas and schemes. Killing all of them loses us nothing.

>>138449785
You brough the righteousness into the argument, which was, in my mind anyways, a conversation up to that point.

But you're a fucking Leaf, so I shouldn't have bothered. Have fun in faggot land, you fuck.

Can't seem to find the image this morning, but I'd like to personally point the naysayers to George Lincoln Rockwell on the topic of the swastika. He used it in order to make sure that the people that were drawn to the American Nazi Party had conviction and wouldn't back down. Through the imagery he chose he made sure those that joined were men.

>>138443622
that's a very good point and quite intelligent one. We laugh and joke but there is no doubt that with swastika we have no future. It's a simple PR problem here. The masses would follow anti jews ideology yet never a swastika.

>>138450651
>Italians
>use swastika

What what kind of cookie cutter Italian uses a swastika instead of the Fasces?

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>>138450194
>5) Any government in the U.S. (local, state, federal) will feel obligated to protect the U.S. flag as a symbol, and any violence against it cannot be portrayed as moral.
Just like statues of Hamilton and Washington are sacrosanct? What if your premise is wrong, that nothing associated with "the legacy of whiteness" is sacred? What if every time you cede more ground to the anti-white enemy, more children of each generation grow up listening to anti-white authorities, because they seem to have that much more authority?

Well, they're taking down the confederate statues today, and they're already announced their plans to remove all white leaders statues soon, just like in South Africa. They've upped the ante of their radicalism, they've jumped far to their left, because they know that will drag the overton window in that direction. They're getting out ahead of us, making more radical demands, in order to checkmate us -- because whites never make "radical" demands, they make moderate demands. That's why we've lost so much already. We'll be Germany-under-Merkel-tier in two more elections, mark my words.

>>138450481
>I'm not blue pilled nor a civic nationalist.
I didn't call you one; there was more than one ID being replied to in my post.

>>138450551
That's not the argument I was referring to. If you accept that not all individuals follow the tribe's mentality, then we have a conversation.

I was referring to "there are no jewish allies"

>>138450764
Yeah there aren't. They as a group are to influential and to subversive in the political system to be trusted. No kike will defend an ideology that isn't some ZOG approved controlled opposition. Which is why people like trump or wilders or le pen still had a lot of kike support.

>>138450551
on that point, considering my earlier reply, I agree, lots of evil Jewry over the the ages, and appears to be just as much now. I just get worked up on blanket statements bordering on or outright encouraging mass genocide. Not your comments necessarily, replying to others as well.

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>>138443622
Fuck no

>>138450554
I obviously hit a soft spot for you and you realized your own hypocrisy. That's fine, you just conceded the discussion with your childish outburst. So good luck with your flawed ideology.

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>>138448730

>>138445014
Yes it is

>>138450969
Rake yourself away, you insignificant leaf. But by all means, consider yourself the victor in this internet war that you created.

>>138451097
>not an argument
You are a hypocrite and the true traitor to your people. Plain and simple.

>>138443622
OMG OMFG you don't even know the difference between fachist symbole and swastika... poor boy you need to pay more attention in school instead of imagining how you can kill all this subhuman... pathetic attention whore

>>138450898
What is it that makes Jews so miraculously inclusive that no Jew, despite their various public beliefs, could ever stray from the tribe? and what of those who do? obvious misdirection? Ok, but what of those that marry into the tribe? are they all magically brought in, or kept in the dark while their spouses plot?

I know the Jewish control over the west now, I know the history, I just don't accept that every single Jew, down to the last little insignificant one, is in on the whole thing. And that's what it seems like you're trying to sell me.

>>138451035
Have fun being a moderate for the rest of your life cunt.

>>138451221
You're a simpleton and the village idiot. A disgrace to the white race. Truth and fact.

>>138451035
What movie is it from? It reeks of Weimar degeneracy.

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>>138443622
absolutley agree, hardcore lefists will call you nazi/fascist anyway but would be seen better by common plebs and right members aswell

>>138451698
And in the back you have a Stalinist architecture building, heh

>>138450720
take it nice and easy on those black pills. There are millions of high-t normies in the U.S. that worship America like a religion. This is just a standard method of drawing a dialectic that will appeal to them. These lefties are absolutely-degenerate.jpg mongrels and need to be isolated anyhow. There is no other way. At this moment white nationalism is inevitable and that is why people are so afraid that they want to hunt us all down asap. We just need the proper symbology to carry that message to people who are not informed yet.

https://youtu.be/rGEERFKyORY

>lolbertarians
Here's your>>138451566

It's called the Hakenkreuz

>>138443622

I think using it at this point is a dumb idea. Waiting until the idea of white nationalism is normalized then bringing in the cool uniforms and swatzikas seem like a better longterm plan.

It's what Hitler did too. Didn't start making parades and using the swatzila until he got elected.Hitler's no genius but he was a good politician.

(((>>138443622)))
Should we disassociate Jews and the star of David?

Should we disassociate the cross and Christianity, hammer & sickle from Communism, half moon from Islam etc.

Stop shilling you kike, the swastika is the most powerful symbol we have and it essential for White people.

>>138451837
Child, get some sleep. I know you're worked up because someone disagreed with you on the interwebs, but the eclipse is coming soon and you want to be awake for it, don't you? It won't be much of an eclipse up there though, so be sure to focus directly on it for as long as possible to get the full effect.

>>138451995
It is defeated symbolism. This is why so many have shifted to the black sun. It has already been abandoned

>>138446744

Antifa has almost no popular support.

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>>138443622
Just adopt roman ideals and customs

>>138452488
Thats kind of what it is already.

>>138452442
In France or the US?

Cause the US mainstream media loves those Commie bastards.

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>>138443622
But it is so fashionable.
https://youtu.be/qYVK_OqyUzk?t=53s

>>138452548
Of course the US mainstream media=Democrat Party=George Soros, so that's not surprising.

If the view is different in France, then "Viva la Francia!"

or however it goes. never learned French.

>>138443931
Oh fuck off retard. Nat socs are not socialists you dumb capitalist cunt.

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>>138452488
The U.S. was already founded on Roman ideals and customs. It would be great however to see that emphasized a lot more though

yes, naziboo-boos and antifa should all bo gassed.

both are cancer.
i dont even know which is worse.

>>138452093
>I know you're worked up because someone disagreed with you on the interwebs
And yet:
>>138450554
>But you're a fucking Leaf, so I shouldn't have bothered. Have fun in faggot land, you fuck.
>>138451097
>Rake yourself away, you insignificant leaf. But by all means, consider yourself the victor in this internet war that you created.
Where are my childish outbursts? I have none, because I know I am right, therefore have no need to externalize feelings of defeat.
See what I mean about hypocrisy? Of course you don't.

>>138446894

It's not cowardice, but general planning. You can't undo years of jewish indoctrination by jews and media by LARPing as a nazi IRL.

It doesn't work. You drop subtle redpills first and work to the top, like the jews progressively pushed degeneracy in the West bit by bit.

>>138452709
Shit, we're already following the Roman model for a downfall, so why not?

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>>138451828
>take it nice and easy on those black pills.
I'm probably just older than you. Or smarter. Or both: these patterns should be obvious by now.

>>138449120
Most delusional post so far.

>>138443829
>NORMALIZE IT!
This only works on symbols that haven't had a major push behind it already.

You'd have to form a movement greater then what Hitler ever had. That isn't going to happen in this point of time.

>>138452707
>National SOCIALIST
>Not Socialist
FUK UR MAMA WHITEBOI STUPID CRACKER READ SUM BOOKS

>>138452787

anyone who consideres himself a nazi should be fucking shot in the head.

guess what, i can still hate the fucking kikes and niggers with a passion without waving swastikas around and larping for some autistic emo austrian painter.

fuck, why is modern youth so fucking cucky?

>>138452530
With out the judeo influicse back the the pantheon of the gods. Christianity weakend Rome.

>>138452762
Editorialize away, leaf. Enjoy your anger. Internalize it. Exact it against all the non-whites in your neighborhood.

Oh, that's right, you probably don't have any near you, do you. You should be glad of that fact, but instead you pretend to know all about them!

But oh, THE ANGER!!!! OOH, THE LEAF WILL SHOW US THE WAY!!!

Take care of your own faggot country, and then maybe, maybe (probably not) I'll listen to your diatribes.

First of all you need to realize why you use the Swastika.

Its a Symbol of the Anunnaki you Aryans say is their Father. Enki.

And your Enemy is Enlil the father of the Jews.

As a Gnostic I decry both of your sides and say your following one of the Archons as your Lord.

>>138452809
Christianity lead to the fall of Rome it made romans pacifist

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>>138452993
>This only works on symbols that haven't had a major push behind it already.
You think so, huh?

>>138453236
Bullshit, government corruption and a false sense of superiority lead to their downfall.

Just as it is happening here.

>>138443622
Hi there, I'm not a "nazi", but I would be called one because of my beliefs.
Questions and facts:
1. the swastika isn't for nazis, it is an ancient star symbol representing the path of the big dipper that tells you what season it is.
Very useful and important.
2. Why do you want to be a nazi? Do you want to protect your race, or your people?
IF you think "australians" are a race you are dead wrong, most of the "real aussies" and the "original aussies" were celts, or cornish.
The saxons aren't even remotely australian and are a completley different breed of men, they are weaker, easier to bend to the will of the mass and not even remotely brave, just selfish and opportunistic.
So I would suggest defending your people, who are much easier to distinguish as all you have to do is ask some questions and if they disagree with you, they aren't your people.
3. Why do you even NEED to use a symbol?
Why not make your own flag?
If you are afraid of it being not used because nobody wants it, then what's the point of it?
4. Why are you "recruiting" "normies"?
Do you want more idiots that can't understand the struggle with no culture or knowledge joining you?
I'm starting to think you ARE a saxon.

swastikas are gay and anybody who brands them in public is probably a government plant

>>138453154
>being this mad about seeing the light.
I know, it hurts anon. But ignoring reality and calling people names like a little girl does you no justice.

>>138453458

This.

If i ever saw a faggot with a swastika i would legit punch him in the teeth, and then continue to hate niggers and jews, just like i did my entire life.

nothing worse than shitler larping.

>>138453236
Honestly, research Roman history, learn of all the corruption, all the sense of superiority, all the tangled webs of self-conceit leading to their fall. None was related to Christianity. If you honestly believe what you say, you are no better than the run-of-the-mill atheist lib.

>>138453380
Christianity states all men are equal created in the image of god. yes it was theses 2 factors. That and this.

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>>138452787
>It's not cowardice, but general planning.
Nope, because it doesn't work; you can't ever earn fair-play from the (((MSM))); you will always be labeled Nazi, and your fear of it only reinforces its validity as a taboo. Challenge the taboo to defeat it, don't validate it.
>You can't undo years of jewish indoctrination by jews and media by LARPing as a nazi IRL.
You literally can, but you won't because you're a coward; you're just making excuses. Cowards like you will keep telling us to cuck until we're all waving Israeli flags, because that's the one symbol they can't attack us for.

>>138453516
I know, it hurts anon. But ignoring reality and calling people names like a little girl does you no justice.
Haha, you just don't give up, do you. Chutzpah, is that what you Jews call it? Whatever it is, I will admit you have plenty of it.

Kudos, you're an internet brawler, doesn't know when to quit. Do you want a medal or something? Post your addy and I'll send it pronto!

>>138451532
i'm not a moderate, you degenerate faggot.
i am a teddy roosevelt nationallist, conservative and ardent supporter of the republican form

fascism, bolshevism, lefty "democratic socialism" and every other flavour of marxism is pure poison, as is ethnic bigotry from ANY side, whether it's race hustlers like al sharpton or boneheaded white power faggots like you

>>138453656
>we need a symbol that they won't attack us for

no. we need a symbol that defines our enemies by who is attacking

>>138453576
You are greatly oversimplifying history, and ignoring wide swaths of it if you think Christianity was Rome's downfall.

I won't pretend to be an expert on the subject, but I'm sure there are others that will back that point up. Better for a different thread I think, though.

>>138443724
Why knock down something that has never been tried yet. Give it a chance

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>>138453763
>i am a teddy roosevelt nationallist
You're a cuckservative.

>>138453897
>we need a symbol that they won't attack us for
...Is the opposite of what I've been arguing, read more carefully next time. Why would I say "cowards will tell us to keep cucking until we're waving stars of david because it's the one symbol they can't attack us for"?

>>138453753
>I-I know, I'll call him a Jew after I have been defending them in my posts!
Wow... You just sank to a whole new level, didn't you?
>>138451221

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>>138449909
sheeeeiiiiit

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>>138453080


Hello rabbi. Into the oven you go,

>>138447231

Civic Nationalism is exactly how the United States functioned for 200 years. It's perfectly viable as long as the nanny state programs are curtailed and the country functions as a meritocracy. No affirmative actiom bullshit or diversity quotas. The free market favors the white man and Asians anyway.

>>138454163
Poll rigging again ibkeep telling you faggots to stop using strawpoll and you wont even fucking use the captcha

>>138448720

Guess thats true cuzzy

>>138453566
Hello shill. Whatcha doing ?

>>138454266
Perhaps, I guess I will never know what it's like.

>>138454001
newsflash natsoc failed

>>138454153
Jew know it! : )

You and anyone paying attention knows you add nothing to the conversation here. I'm humoring you simply because I love shitposting with simpletons like you. I will admit, eventually I will get tired, or eventually the thread will close, then it will be over. But I'm for it as long as you are, buddy boy. So be it!

>>138443622
>abandon all your nazi-themed memeorabilia

it'll take a while for all those edgelords to face the music

>>138454237

Hitler is the jews best friend.
If i was a rabbi, i would have a picture of hitler hanging on the wall and i would thank him for everything i have today.
hitler gave me israel
he effectively made nationalism taboo
i cannot be critisized anymore, no matter what i do, because im a jew, and hitler made sure jews get super special treatment now.

i actually wonder why arent the jews worshipping hitler.

he's literally the best thing that ever happened to the jewish people.

can you name a jew that did more good for the jewish people than hitler did?

>>138454384

watching naziboo-boos shill.

>>138454130
no one will attack that symbol because no one will carry it. same as the swastika (kikes laughing)

>>138454460
>Perhaps, I guess I will never know what it's like.
Admit that "perhaps" I am right. but continue shit posting about things you will never know. Enlighten me, oh GRAND SHITLORD!!!

>>138454266
thank you

>>138454705
>merely pretending to be retarded
ok

>>138445472

This.

Anybody suggesting otherwise is trolling, or is a leftypol nigger loving cuck/ r/eddit faggot shill.

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>>138454819
>The man who resisted enslavement by the international jewish cabal is responsible for them enslaving us
I'm pretty sure cucks and kikes like you are to blame, not the man who stood up to you. The one saving grace being that kikes eternally create the conditions of their collapse. You will repeat the cycle of history endlessly until you are no more.

>RABBI Yosef Tzvi Ben Porat explains why Hitler hated Jews.
https://youtu.be/33zAu3IDW6w

>>138450692
fasces, swastika, celtic cross. they're all the same. They are doomed, you cannot use it anymore.

>>138454266
This. Though strong borders is also a must. Cant let the melting pot overflow

>>138454927
What is done, cannot be undone without great and continued struggle. You will never have your peaceful utopia, nor will I.

>>138455009
I'm waiting for the reply to the following post. : )

should be good!

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>>138455189
>don't use what the jews tell you is bad

>>138455297
No you're not.

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>>138443622
Swastikas are gay and edgy for middle aged bikers who never mentally developed past the age of 14

>>138454266


Civic nationalism, in the long term, will fail.

It's been fucking failing since the so-called "Progressive Era" and influx of Marxist thinking into the American political mosaic. You will never reverse the welfare state unless drastic measures are taken. That's why certain ideologies, like fascism and national socialism has appeal in some quarters.

>>138454130
> cuck cuck cuck cuck
> chickenshit faggot cant make an argument
> hides behind the interwebs, anonymity, and meme flags
> not a nazi in real life because then mommy wont bring him tendies
> larps as "hardcore white nationalist peoples socialist party proudboy" on interwebs
> hates the greatest american president in history
> seeks a symbol for his "super seekrit club", yet eschews the one symbol all of america will rally behind

look at my meme flag faggot.
thats all i need.
youre desperately trying to abscond with the semiotics of a long dead marxist regime from a foreign land, and you call me a cuck?

youre pathetic.

>>138455248
>What is done, cannot be undone without great and continued struggle. You will never have your peaceful utopia, nor will I.

Is that a concession speech!!! Oh, how the mighty SHITLORD has fallen! Save some face you shitlord, HIllary didn't cave like that. Have at me some more!

>>138455482


Pot meet kettle.

Libertarianism is a joke. And a bad one at that.

>>138455335
you think you can overturn the idea of the "swastika" in the mind of people? Good luck.

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>>138454819

Oy vey the kikes are in full force tonight. Back to Red dit with you naughty Jew.

>>138455482
I can't remember when I've actually laughed out loud so much at an internet tangle. Your attempt at shitposting makes all my experience worthwhile. Whoever said shitposting never amounted to anything doesn't understand the full throated laugh I've just enjoyed.

And the beauty is, it's not over!

>>138443622
Stormniggery is unamerican

>>138455482
It is the reality. This is what I have been saying from the beginning of the thread. The reality you choose to ignore, and rather revel in your fantasies of patriotism to a divided nation in it's deathroes.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gjVmeKWOsEU

>>138454582
It did work. The whole world had to stop it from continuing to work.

Don't you remember the hyper-inflation?
Don't you remember Germany's recovery from said hyper-inflation?

Just because NSDAP failed militarily doesn't mean the economic programs implemented failed. They didn't have enough time to test it

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>>138455479
>no arguments
>angry stream of adhoms
Triggered.

>>138455682
>if you think you can undo Jewish programming you're wrong
I realize cucks think this, but I disagree.

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>>138455161
>>138455686


lmao how old are you virgins.

none of your posts are even an argument.

hitler really was the single best thing that ever happened to the jews, and you larp for shitler.

doesnt that make YOU the kike lovers?

you poor beta virgins are getting confused who's jewing who.

whos the jew?
who jewed who?

lmao, dont overload yourselves.

>>138455913
>I can't remember when I've actually laughed out loud so much at an internet tangle. Your attempt at shitposting makes all my experience worthwhile. Whoever said shitposting never amounted to anything doesn't understand the full throated laugh I've just enjoyed.
>And the beauty is, it's not over!

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>>138455968
>steady stream of ad homs
>no arguments
when_you_trigger_kikes.JPG

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>>138455968

Sholam rabbi shekelberg. Please tell /pol how bad Hitler was.
Put your kike powers to the test

>>138443829
>hurr durr we're gonna normalize the swastika! It hasn't worked in literally sixty fucking years but we're gonna keep trying it! It'll work any day now!

nig, the west doesn't have enough time to deal with strategies that don't work.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j72M9wHvEzw
Nazis are fake-right.

>>138445472

Of course we'll be called nazis by the jewish press...but EVERYTHING is called nazi by the jewish press. The problem is alienating normies who are otherwise with us.

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>>138455865
>I can't remember when I've actually laughed out loud so much at an internet tangle.

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>>138455968

Hello kike

>>138446401

No. national socialism is a Teutonic imperialist philosophy of supremacy that killed more white people than everything except communism. It has no more potency today than the Whig party.

Stop being an autist. Stop ruining our movement. Nazis aren't even right wing.

>>138455950
>if you think you can undo Jewish programming you're wrong
Not the same. You can undo kike programming yet you cannot use swastika to do it. Because now it's their weapon to shout: "see, we're the weak, the oppressed, save us!!" That's simple communication strategy. You have to turn around the table with the same idea but in different manners. So people are not fooled by kikes agenda. With swastike and nazi shit it's a dead end my sauerkraut amico.

>>138456296
Nice reference, awesome movie.
I'll give credit where it's due. So perhaps you're not as young as you appear online. . .

>>138454819
>Hitler is the jews best friend.
>If i was a rabbi, i would have a picture of hitler hanging on the wall and i would thank him for everything i have today.
>hitler gave me israel
>he effectively made nationalism taboo
>i cannot be critisized anymore, no matter what i do, because im a jew, and hitler made sure jews get super special treatment now.
Sad but true.

>>138456079
>>138456152
>>138456152

im telling you exactly how awesome he was.
everything my jewish super-race has now is only thanks to hitler.

if hitler didnt exist, we jews would be nothing.

i, personally, as a super-jew-kike-ultra-shekelberg LOVE hitler!!

mmmmmm hitler.

he gave me everything.
my country
my money
my immunity to everything

i fucking
L
O
V
E

Hitler.

i know why i love hitler, because im from the chosen race of supermen, the jews. and he helped us immensly.
i dont know why YOU, goy subhumans would love hitler.
i really, really dont know.

mmmm hitler.
i love him SO much.

lemme go find a goy to remind him of the 6 gorrillion holohoax my hero hitler made up while we were resting in a hotel called auschwitz.


mmmm hitler.
such an amazing person.

>>138456600
> So perhaps you're not as young as you appear online.
I'm not the lolbertarian flagposter here.

>>138446658

Because being triggered by a swastika IS NOT FUCKING IMPORTANT. White identiy politics are important you fucking mong.

Do you want to save the west or do you want to be able to run around larping? Honest question. Because if you want to save the west, then drop the nazi bullshit. If you want to larp, then get the fuck out of our movement.

>>138447908
>"national socialism" is STILL SOCIALISM and it's end goal is still the same, goddamned communism.
American education

>>138456429
>It has no more potency today than the Whig party.
Nice. Few can bring the Whig party into a conversation, but I honestly respect anyone who can.

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>>138456704

>writes a whole essay
>Red dit spacing

Hello rabbi shekelstein. Time for my daily blowjob.

>>138443622
yes, we need to paint the horse into another colour and appear cool, the church and commies do it, why shouldnt we? put another name too friendship nationalist hug club

>>138455950
> no arguments
look again faggot
my arguments are clearly stated. youre just really stupid
> ad homs
literally "i know you are, but what am i?' level of discourse.
when you sport a socialist flag and shit on america, teddy roosevelt and everything that made america great, without a single valid reason for your retarded assertions, you are asking for dismissive responses.
also, you clearly hhave no idea what fascism and nazism are really all about.

read some mussolini and try to figure out why a lifelong marxist, a signatory to the first and second cominterns, and editor in chief of Avante!, the largest circulation marxist newspaper in the world might want to re-brand marxism when it simply wasnt selling in italy or germany.

mussolini wrapped the same tired old whore of marxsim in the robes of a vestal virgin and told you it was some new hotness in the traditions of ancient rome.
youre a sucker, falling for one of the shittiest lies ever told.

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>>138456704
Now THIS is shitposting.

>>138447296
the american right will NEVER accept socialism. you need to get that through yoru heads.

>>138447397
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Br75AVGbQSU

Vox Day is the best thinker on the right.

>>138456864

the reddit spacing is making it look like an essay, but what would you know, lol, you're just a dumb goy.

>Hello rabbi shekelstein.

im not a rabbi, yet!!
but i really, really do thank hitler for everything he gave us, the jews.
we really are the chosen people, and you dumb goys are even worshipping hitler just as much as i do, hahaha!!

goys, the jew best puppet.