PICK ONE CUNT!

>>138415495
If programmer were assessed solely on skill, it would be only white and asian men programming.

Poos and women just are not good

>>138415495
Seriously, nobody wants to apply for a job by taking a fucking test. Nobody wants to hire that way either. I've had a few job listings direct me to an online test, and I just left the site and didn't return. I can go in and talk about programming with some guys, and they can get a feel for how well I know my industry. But if they sit me down in front of a computer and ask me to solve various problems, I'll just say that I'm comfortable with my skills and I'm not interested in a job that's only interested in that one thing. There are plenty of other places to apply.

I've whiteboarded problems before, and that's cool. But I'm not going to do some anonymous programming challenge.

>>138415495
I believe there is a place they tried the anonymous recruitment thing thinking it would balance things out. It fucking didnt. The males just dominated everything left and right, and more precisely white males.

The reason she, like all of them, cannot decide what they want is because they want to make things seem fair without actually being fair. It is difficult to lie in every aspect of life, hard work. And naturally, since it is hard work, and its not white males that are doing it of course even the lying part is being done badly.
They want to pretend like both sides have equal opportunities and should compete, but then if a man earns more hes sexist. Leftists are just torn inside themselves and at this point displaying hypocrisy within their ideas is becoming redundant. Even without reading a text written by a leftist, judging only on its length you can predict how many cognitive dissonant ideas it displays.

> Everything for equality

These people need to be purged quickly

>>138416090

Sounds to me like you're some arrogant cuck.

>>138415993
This has already been tried and proven to be like you said (well, just in regards to gender)

>>138416303
I'm really not. On a scale of 1-10, I'd rate myself a 7. I work with many people who are much better than me, but I apply myself and solve problems pretty well. Plus, I just know how everything works from a big picture, so dissecting a few lines of code looking for the most efficient or 'programmerly' way to do it won't tell you how good a person really is. It'll tell you how well they studied obscure syntax maybe.

That's probably why I don't like this idea. It wouldn't give a prospective employer a true picture of my abilities.

>>138416090

It's looking like the market is headed that way bro.

>>138416161

I see the hypocrisy friend, it isn't lost at all. It just kills me that companies aren't fighting back after seeing articles like this.

If I ran an IT company, and started taking heat publicly for not having any women employed that was comparable to the men I employed for the same job, I'd grab a mic, point to flip flopping qoutes in articles like this and ask "WHAT in the fuck do you people want? PICK ONE." At least people would notice and see this shit for what it is (by people I mean the ones who are still blind to all this bullshit instead of being willfully ignorant, if there are any left).

It kills me how women can have a majortity woman owned and operated company and advertise it, but somehow the moment men do the sane, the DoL gets called in.

>>138416756

I see you're point and agree there, but I'm also a stickler for litmus tests because it's one of the last ways a company can legally hire who they want, and the DoL and affirmative action groups can be told to fuck off without repercussion.

>>138415993

Yup.

My friend is trying to get his geek stepdaughter to learn to code because he doesn't want her wasting so much time on the phone and on video games. She's now in the 8th grade, yet:

>doesn't know how to use MS Word
>doesn't know how to use MS Excel
>doesn't know how to pull and share media except on FB
>doesn't want to learn to code.
>has had two years of computer classes
>yet somehow smart enough to tell people she wants to be a dentist when she grows up, SOLELY to "get people off my back".


Literally plays Minecraft all fucking day, but doesn't build anything herself. She just watches tutorials on Youtube and constructs in non survival mode.

>>138415495
What point is the picture trying to make? StackOverflow is a great tool for programmers.

>>138416090
yeah you're an arrogant cunt.

>>138418705

Is it? Because everytime I've used it I've never had a clear cut answer, and some of the questions posted that were exactly what I was seeking the answer to were not clean cut. I'll admit, I've only be coding DAILY for four months. I could be wrong.

>>138415495
>Programmers, she argued, should be assessed on skill, just as secretaries were once given typing tests. “You don’t send a photo, you don’t give a name, you just look at the achievements of the person as a selection process,” she said.
sure

https://www.reddit.com/r/KotakuInAction/comments/6f756e/electronconf_organized_by_github_postponed/

>>138415495
Great, I agree.
Let's introduce this now before she's had time to think about what this means for her.

>>138419039
It sounds like you aren't trying hard enough to understand the answers...

>>138419041

Fucking wow. I shouldn't be surprised, but jesus christ.

>>138419039
>daily for four months
>thinking you're any good

sorry to say but stackoverflow is too smart for you

>>138419114

Like the link in the post above yours says, they'll just bitch and change the policies again once it doesn't play out in their favor.

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>>138419041
>A little context:

>Someone contacted on twitter an organzier of the conf about the all males panels ( https://web.archive.org/save/https://twitter.com/nmsanchez/status/870811022306574336 ) and this made them postpone the event because this was considered a 'mistake'

>The problem lies in the fact that the panelist were chosen with a 'blind review process' ( https://web.archive.org/web/20170604124312/https://cfp.githubapp.com/events/electronconf-2017 ), so there was no possibility of sexism or bias involved, and they still decided that meritocracy is not acceptable and that they are redoing the talks list (I guess that this time they will not do a blind review process)

>fucking reddit spacing

>>138415495
even if they did that, it'd still be all men

only because that field is like 95% men.

>>138415495
Are you dense? She's asking for anonymous hiring, which would be meritocratic, not affirmative action. It would also ironically decrease significantly the number of women in technology jobs.

>>138416090
Enjoy never working at a big tech company then.
They all do intensive coding tests.

>>138418308
>She's now in the 8th grade, yet:
Nigger she's in 8th grade.

Wasn't there some tech conference that was postponed because the speakers who were blind picked (to prevent bias) weren't diverse enough?

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anyone else here go for an IT related degree but have 0 interest in programming? I graduated in april with an information systems degree and would rather punch myself in the dick all day than be a code monkey. Looking like my options now are either do something with data/sql, QA tester or get a systems/business analyst job or just completely throw in the towel for IT and look into technical sales. Every fucking job I apply for asks for 2-5 years experience for entry level shit, how did you anons land work fresh out of school? I've applied to countless places and have done several interviews but because I have little experience get BTFO by kids who have done 7 internship rotations. All I want is to work my way to management and hire nothing but red pilled white males and to be a positive member of my community.

>>138415495
they already do this in NZ, before employers even read your cover letter they often will have you take a 1 hour maths and stats test, english test and coding ability test for many software development positions

ofc this is for the jobs no woman would ever have a chance in hell qualifying for, one fuck up and you can lose a company millions.

>>138416756
I was interviewed by amazon once, it took 4 hours. They gave me different problems and asked me how I would solve them
Algorithm only, not language specific.

>>138420149
Yeah, see >>138419041

They did a blind selection of papers to select who would give talks and all of them ended up being male.

Thought about programming in the end scene of The Founder.
>Nothing can take the place of persistence.
That's what programming is all about.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ocXP1pLeqLM&t=30s

>>138420529
by the way, when females start fucking with the tech industry, it's basically going to be gamergate 2.0 in terms of back lash

don't fuck with our video games, don't fuck with our job market.

I actually prefer poos over women as colleagues

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>>138416090
You're a stupid kid who's never had a job in his life. Those two aren't mutually exclusive.The standard for any job is
>send in application/resume
>those who make the first cut get an interview
in the case of a code monkey like you, the test is part of your application
>

>>138419386

That COULD be a possibility, because if I'm using Stack Overflow, you can bet I'm already tired and frustrated after sitting in the chair for over five hours. I just remember asking "why can't I copy and paste large blocks of code in IDLE, and why isn't the code running after completed in the shell", and all I got was that IDLE can only handle one line of code at a time, so you have to copy and paste one line of code at a time. What I REALLY needed was the answer I got in my Python book about writing it all in a module, then running that module in the shell.

I need to find a Python tutor. Not because I'm utterly clueless; I can read the code and understand what's going on the majority of the time. I just need a physical body sitting copilot with me to answer questions regarding somethings appended to parts of code I'm not familiar with. Otherwise, studying modules like PyScript and PyGame will take weeks each to understand without actually making things myself from scratch. Any ideas?

>>138419889
Fun fact but she and feminist want a score system. They call it achievement system but it adds points depending on skin colour and gender. Then they have to hire the person with the highest score.

Example
Black 10 points
Woman 5 points
White man -10 points

This is not a joke.

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>>138419765

>too smart for you

Yeah dude, I didn't say I was a pro at coding or even marketable yet. I'm still in the process of studying for the A+ cert. All I said was that I wanted clear cut answers to my entry level questions with IDLE two months ago and found none.

I finished the Python course on Codecademy (we all have to start somewhere, and I've met people who have done the same but still no where near me), and besides stuff on the web, my best resource at the moment is the book in the pic.

>>138417687
That's why I like whiteboarding. Getting up and writing out some logic can give an employer a good idea of your abilities without making it just about your abilities.

I've done interviews at my company, and I've given the thumbs down to MIT and Harvard CS grads. Not because they weren't exceptional - they were - but because their skill set was better suited for robotics or OS design or whatever. They were way out of our league, and I knew the work we do would bore the shit out of them.

That, and their personalities sucked. But mostly because they were better off at some high tech juggernaut. One of them had cashed out at Facebook and just wasn't ready to retire, so he wanted an easy peasy job that wouldn't matter much to him. You don't want some overskilled, arrogant guy shitting up your dev team's morale. It's hard to account for those things if you're just hiring people based off of some goofy test. Plus, unless your test is going to cover all kinds of non-programming stuff, you may wind up with some ditzy chick who took a crash course programming 'bootcamp', and who can technically do the syntax, but can't actually do anything else.

For instance, imagine hiring some chick because she did a clever solution to one of your puzzles, and then you hire her and she doesn't know SQL at all. Or she doesn't know what a primary key is - or a join. Her code seemed fine, but she didn't know how to set up a load balancer - or even what a load balancer does. Or she doesn't know how to use a linux command line, or SSH, or how to even start/stop a service.

The best way to tell if someone's bullshitting, or overselling their abilities based off of a few lines of code, is to talk to them about the work they've done. Ask them what it took to get the project up and running, why they chose Unreal instead of Unity, etc, etc. But I'm sure other ways work too. This is just my style, I guess.

>>138419889

Yep. Nothing like forced equality. You'd think people would learn after how that method works when looking at current racial tensions, especially in the Southern US.

>>138420122

>to introduce anonymous recruitment to help address the lack of female programmers.

Oh yeah, no ulterior motives there anon!

>>138421439
Lad, the A+ is a joke. Not saying it isn't worth having because it is somewhere to start if you want to do something like support, but spare yourself the time and use one of those test suites with most of the questions from the exam verbatim and then shoot for something higher.

>>138415495
They don't realize what will happen since they've always been told women aren't there due to sexism, not sucking. It's always funny when procedures like this are introduced and they see the real world results. Of course the policies are quickly cancelled and pushed under the rug.

>>138420139

Not an excuse. I was using Excel and Word when I was in the sixth grade. I'm 28 now. Even the girl's mother says that she's had to type reports before on MS Word in grades 6 and 7, but for whatever reason she and some of her friends don't know how to use it. I guess I had hardcore parents or better teachers.

Didn't some company try blind applications and found out that women actually do WORSE in blind applications?

Yeah here it is: http://dailycaller.com/2017/06/30/study-blind-recruitment-aimed-at-boosting-female-hires-actually-does-the-opposite/

>>138420149

Yup.

They've tried stuff like this -- 'blind' interviews, where gender, looks, age, etc. aren't known..

It literally made the imbalance worse.

>>138420323
>how did you anons land work fresh out of school?
I'm legitimately sorry to give this answer, because it makes me one of those people, but I got my career started (web dev; been doing govt contracting for 5 years) through networking -- specifically a couple of slightly older friends I met during college.

>>138420323

Don't give up on that dream anon. The same woman I mention in this thread told me to take a part time job at an IT help desk for six months, bang out my A+, Network + and Security + certs and then bail onto something bigger. Her father and brother did the same thing and now both make over 100k as network engineers. One of them even rents space to clients to run traffic through the servers in his garrage.

Which all sounds good to me because I've grown frustrated with my ChemE degree and need some time off to pursue something else that doesn't require a degree and makes good money.

>>138420323
Networking and internships were the key. Also on QA, I'd avoid it if you don't like programming. In my experience the QA people who are considered most valuable are the ones who write test automation. Based on layoffs I've seen, people who primarily do manual testing seem infinitely more expendable.

>>138420529

Fuck yeah. The problem in the US with litmus tests is that they constantly get struck down because minorities hardly pass them.

>>138421112

No no, I've seen screenshots on Pol of "point systems" set up for minorities to be admitted into top law schools in the US. Did you ever see that story about the Indian dude that pretended to be black ao he could get into a specific school?

>>138420323
>anyone else here go for an IT related degree but have 0 interest in programming?
Yes. I can't be the turbocunt who codes frameworks in my spare time and post on Stack Overflow, github, LinkedIn or whatever.

>>138420323
>how did you anons land work fresh out of school?
I got lucky but it took at least one year. If you're like me you won't last a full year because you're going to be shit.

7 years later, I'm learning C# and am aiming to become a full stack web developer. I should have started sooner desu.

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>>138415495

>>138422943
>Did you ever see that story about the Indian dude that pretended to be black ao he could get into a specific school?
https://perma.cc/MMS9-SZZW is the article for reference

>>138422748
>they constantly get struck down because minorities hardly pass them.

who would have thought difficult jobs that pay a crap load of money require well rounded intelligence.

>>138421537

All of which are very interesting points which I will take note of. As far as my work experience outside of IT support and some coding (I worked on avionics, but lost an FBO gas job to a 19 year old), being overqualified has been the fucking bane of my existence. Every job I've interviewed for or been hired for in the last two years has straight up told me I'm overqualified. The two jobs I got I practically begged for. I understand the reasoning, but fuck mex at the end if the day I just want a job. After you go hungry for a a while, you'll be grateful to that company that gives you a chance.

>>138420139
When I was in 8th grade I was learning Python and studying 8086 assembly (wanted to make DOS apps lol).

>>138422319
I've reached out to several friends from school and have had them pass on my resume and still haven't gotten anywhere.
>>138422575
Never gonna give up anon our people need us, I've interviewed for 2 help desks jobs this summer and didn't get either because I lacked experience. At least I'm getting good at interviewing though.
>>138422713
Got a buddy who does QA his job seems boring but like fucking cake, guess I'll focus more on the data/ systems analyst avenue as it seems like they have a higher ceiling for opportunity and advancement.
>>138423167
I don't even bother applying for programming positions because I know I will hate it and will be shit at it. Had an interview for a data position last week that I felt went good though should know if I got the job by this Wednesday or Friday. Were all gonna make it right guys?

>>138421847

>shoot for something higher

Like Network+ and Security+ Certs? I'm new to this industry. I got out of the Air Force as an avionics tech, was 75% done with my ChemE degree and got bored. What would you recommend?

>>138415495
we've tried this numerous times. it ends up being majority white men chosen. fucking women...

>>138423331

HAH!

>>138423358

Thank you anon

>>138423626

But that's racisz main!

>>138423707

Now that's ridiculous, and also makes me jealous lol

>>138420323
don't be a fucking sysadmin dude

you'll end up hating IT and computers more than anything

I've been in IT for 6 years and have done sysadmin/systems engineering along with network engineering and security (HIPAA / PCI environments mainly)

I'm so burned out in my current position that I literally don't touch my desktop when I get home anymore. I'm posting on my iPad.

>>138423856

That's the spirit brother!

>>138424154
Well blacks already have half the GPA requirement to whites/asians/indians to get into University here (vid related)

Have you ever seen a maori social justice warrior?
https://youtu.be/I9Q11csAhPo

>>138418996

why you mad though?

>>138420323
Maybe you should have done internships you lazy faggot. If you didn't do it in school, do it now for $4/hr

>>138423866
Depends on where you want to end up ultimately. The CCNA seems to be a reasonable direction to head in for networking. The MS certs are good for windows admin stuff. For linux stuff, Red Hat certs like the RHCSA are pretty reasonable afaik.

>>138424307
You're weak.
I have 30k of server lab at home and i work on it for fun when i get off from work.

>>138424307


>>138425271
Oh, hippa, I'm sorry

>>138424811
you think I didn't try to get an internship patches? I applied to probably 100-150 places throughout junior and senior year and only got two interviews out of that which lead nowhere. I went to my uni's career services, asked fellow classmates etc I most definitely didn't sit around like a nigger like your implying.

>>138420139
I'm not super into computers but in 8th/9th grade I had a decent grasp of MS Office tools and HTML

>>138415495
I fucking wish we could go back to a meritocracy and truly equal opportunity employment.

>>138425707

Me too anon, me too.

>>138424638

Dude, once I realized that there were scholarships and grants EXCLUSIVELY for blacks when I was looking for money fir college before I joined the military, I went full on 14/88, especially after my experience with "people of color" in my public school system growing up.

>>138415993
She wants to switch to a system where people are judged on social baubles rather than quality of code. She might not be able to program for shit but she can probably network her way into an internship and head of the computer club and research with a professor

>>138421616
Nothing pisses off the blue collar white men like being unable to get a job because a minority gets handed it.
These are the foot soldiers in a race war.

>>138424853

Honestly, I got into programming over a spat between myself and other engineering students over a project. With my experience, I could build the electrical and mechanical systems of say, a robot, but I couldn't code so I would get frustrated waiting on them. I still want my engineering degree, but like I said, I got bored.

I don't know where in the IT field I would want to go, but with my mindset, the idea of given a project, say make the brains of a machine, then planning and making it happen is ideal for me. I don't mind troubleshooting either as long as it isn't any more support jobs that make me loose any more hope in humanity. I can't tell you how many times I've spent hours fixing a system that a cocky pilot broke and almost fucked the aircraft, only to see a Major come in and say "I didn't know".

As a start though, would you say getting the Network+ and Security+ certs are worth it or are they a joke too? If they are a joke, what certs, other than what you recommend above would you attain instead? I'm coping this conversation for reference btw.

>>138426712

100% agree. I didn't realize how many neighbors and family members thought the same until I'd rant with them.

>>138416090
>I've had a few job listings direct me to an online test, and I just left the site and didn't return.

ya this is why we have something called SCHOOL, which women ruined with their equality shit. This stuff is fucking CANCER.

>>138418705
The site is ok if not a bit pedantic but the point being made was that she doesn't understand that a stack overflow is an actual technical term. She only knows it as a website. It would be like a person hearing the word apple and not knowing it's a fruit and the tech company is named after that fruit.

>>138419041
Same thing keeps happening with Google's annual code jam. It's open to everyone but men always win and are all the finalists. They created a special women only division but it's not very popular because the coding results suck.

>>138427472
>>138419039
stack overflow is the plebbit of the IT-sphere, if you need help you're going to get some snarky fuckwit guaranteed.

9 times out of 10 your question would have been already answered in a slightly less condescending post though

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I'm surprised that men are so hard set to control the computer technology world. That shit is just thousands of hours spend crooked over a computer staring at lines of code. It's basically the 21st century's version of sewing.

>>138426859
For a general starting point, I guess CompTIA certs are fine. The point I really should've made clearer is that its important to put together a roadmap for where you want to be in the future. Specialization is one way to increase your value. The reason I railed the A+ is that the knowledge required to obtain it is a bit too basic. Anyways, don't read too much into someone ranting about IT certs on a Laotian paper mache boat making internet commune dedicated """politics""".

>>138427954

Yeah, I definitely got that feeling on there, the same with some Codecademy Mods. Some even said the track hadn't been maintained in years, but I got an email about two weeks ago saying they upgraded it.

Like I said above, I need to hire a tutor who can sit copilot with me and answer some questions about modules and how some features are appended to methods/functions.

>>138415495
Anonymous hiring leads to less females ironically

>>138426859
Also I don't know if I read that right, but based on what you said about project planning you could look into project management as a goal too.

Kek. They should definitely do this, when one govt dept tried this in aus they ended up hiring heaps more men than they wanted to. Further proving men are better employees.

>>138416090

>Doesn't want to do coding test

Yeah, you're probably part of the ~70% of applicants that can't solve a fizz buzz/string parsing question on demand. I'd rather have a poo in loo than you as a coworker.

>>138428787

Gotcha. Before I started reading the book, I just took some online tests for kicks to see what I was getting into and kept scoring 60%.

Granted I continue on this path, I'd like to write and diagnose code for networks and applications. If that sounds too broad (and I'm betting it does), I'd like to be that guy who maintains the code/software for a drone company, making sure the "brains" work and make sure the drones can't be spoofed, for example. Or maybe even do some defense/ white hat work ti route through those drones to get into networks where they are deployed. What I DON'T want to do: sit at a help desk and walk people through loading applications.

>>138428972

Project planning is definitely an option. Even as a desk engineer, leves 3-4, that's where the most money and least amount of grunt work is. So project management in IT wouldn't be a bad gig either.

>>138429293
I'm sorry, but if you are using FizzBuzz as your gatekeeper, you're going to get a bunch of retards that managed to rote learn their way into your company.

The biggest test of a knowledge worker is how they learn the things they don't already know. Any sane knowledge worker is going to be spending a lot of time looking at references, and browsing potential solutions to the problems you present them.

Unless you're only hiring rockstars that demand 6 or more figures, then they've already memorized every single bit of whatever language they are coding in.

>>138423707
When I was in 8th grade equivalent I hadn't yet got my first computer and we had TRS-80s and Apple ][s in the school computer lab

>>138422045
Which makes complete sense. 95% of the people in programming are men. When I took IT courses in college we had one girl in all my classes Freshmen year and zero from then on. She quit IT to go into biology.

>>138429427
Thats actually a pretty cool goal. I did some projects using a hobby grade UAS and had to do some reading about STANAG 4586 and I think its fairly safe to say that based on what you want, make sure you have a good grasp on networking. Good luck anon.

>>138415993
Yfw poos are Asian

>>138430289
not east asian

>>138429888

Fizzbuzz is a weeder question. It helps find people who actually write code on a daily basis vs people who either can't or haven't done it in so long, they are purely management material.

As for figuring out how deep their knowledge actually is, you can infer that from the way they talk about their design choices and how deep they go into technologies they've worked with.

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I spent like 10 years becoming a decent self taught programmer and even took it as far as getting an AS because I wanted to learn right and un-white trash myself but as soon as I graduated I realized I dont want to deal with the faggotry associated with these insane companies, STEM propaganda or even these hipster code communes that pop up all the time.

Its like training to become a knight and realizing all the knights work at the renaissance festival selling turkey legs and pandering to furries. I just wanna do the thing i love.

>>138415993
That's how it ends up anyways.

>>138430624

Start an LLC and do freelance shit. If you're smart about it, it'll pay just as well, if not better than an industry job and you can set your own hours since you'll be paid by the milestone.

a good amount of OG coders were women. Interesting article:
http://www.npr.org/sections/money/2014/10/21/357629765/when-women-stopped-coding

>>138430788
Please archive or screenshot
https://unvis.it/npr.org/sections/money/2014/10/21/357629765/when-women-stopped-coding

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>muh equality

>>138430246

Thanks brother, I really appreciate the tips and that blessing. Stay safe out there.

>>138430402
>Mongoloid race
>B-but East
Literally no racial deference, you have no actual argument, Swedfag

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>>138430880
ok bruh

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2952418/Neanderthals-interbred-longer-modern-humans-east-Asia-DNA-reveals.html

>>138415495
Dude they act like tech is intentionally not hiring females....

NOT THAT MANY FEMALES ARE INTERESTED IN THE INNER WORKINGS OF COMPUTERS.

If companies could pay female IT salary ((($0.70 to the man's dollar))) I'm sure theyd love that.

Girls are fucking stupid. Theyre not good with computers, logic, or design.

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>>138430761
Thats the plan.

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>women should learn to code
>pajeets should learn to code
>toddlers should learn to code
>they should just teach code in elementary school and nothing else
>there should be free government classes teaching people to code
NO

NOBODY SHOULD LEARN TO CODE

STOP FUCKING DEVALUING ME!!! NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

>>138420323
Programming is the most creative and intelligent area of it. Id rather be a code monkey than helpdesk monkey

>>138430624

That's one of the reasons I got bored with the engineering degree. At first, it dumbfounded me to meet senior ChemE students who said they didn't want a ChemE degree when they graduated. Then I met more and kept meeting them, and it turns out from talking to some people in the industry they hate the fact that they busted their ass for years and got early gray hairs, only to have a deskjob. Most of my math, physics and chemistry professors were engineers who bailed out after (on average) ten years of doing it, then moved on to something else. One of them was an an electrical engineer, said fuck it, and sold supplies fir an electric company before taking a teaching gig.

>>138419041
>Electronconf (organized by GitHub) postponed because all the talks (selected with a blind review process) were held by males.
>no possibility of sexism or bias involved, and they still decided that meritocracy is not acceptable and that they are redoing the talks list
hahaha thanks the good laugh

>>138431213
AI will never exist and most people dont want to learn to code. You're safe man. Programming has been around for 40 years. Still no one wants to learn to code

maybe fix the education system before ""teaching"" everyone to kode™

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>>138415495

Feminist right there, wants special treatment for women.

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>>138431136

SHHH! You'll come across as a bigoted cis white male! Woe onto you!

>>138431375
>>138419878
>>138419041

Everyone needs to read this.
Everyone needs to know what we have to put up with every day, even when we try things "their way".

>>138431273
>> code monkey - $60/hr
>> helpdesk - $12/hr

Gelpdesk is for black dudes when a company has to prove theyre not racist. So then black dudes learn a few outdated terms like "thin-client" and "blue screen of death" and all the intelligentbpeople start looking for new jobs because fuck working with niggers

>>138431213

Sorry anon, that's the drive now. You know anything exclusive and in demand is going to attract people, even the worst.

>>138431213

Trust me, even if you could teach people how to code, a lot of people wouldn't do it.

Of the people who learned how to code in school, how many of them can solve unstructured/open-ended problems? How many of them can pick up a new technology every year or so? How many of them are willing to sit at a computer long enough to solve said problems?

It takes a certain kind of autism to enjoy programming. This is the main reason why there are so few female programmers-- autism is like 4:1 between men and women.

>>138431334
half of my teachers were people who wet rogue in the 90s doing consulting work and the other half were on visas and had math degrees and didnt know what they were doing. Honestly it was that fact which first got me concerned about wtf i was getting myself into.

>>138431645

No shit anon, that's why when I got bored with engineering, I decided on programming. I don't want to work with anymore niggers, I don't want to serve niggers, and if I can go without seeing them, I'll be perfectly content. If all I have to put up with is smelling them from a mile away, I'm good. Plenty of time to leave.

>>138431812

That's why I laugh at the STEM meme. I still want my engineering degree, but I know most of the people they are trying to push through MIGHT get their degree, LESS will pass and attain their PE, and those that do will bail on engineering gigs.

In my Organic Chemistry class of 180 students, you know how many of them were there for chemistry? Two. How many were there for Chemical Engineering? Five. How many were there for pre med? 173.

>>138431742

This. I love coding and have projects I have defined to work up to, but there are many days that I have to physically push myself to my desk to do the work.

I guess what bogs me down is that I have the know how to bang out two big projects at the moment but there's just SO MUCH to learn that I want to but feel overwhelmed. One byte at a time I tell myself.

>>138431742
Maybe she do it for attention but not for learning to code? I wonder how much of code the girl in the interview knows,she must be a hipster that doesnt know hard shit maybe.

>>138432440
Yea there were plenty of people in my classes but when I graduated there were 2 of us in the program including myself, everyone else was aerospace related or some engineering field or another.

What I dont get is how they have buried the idea of white males doing their job to the point where nobody wants to do it instead of almost nobody, and yet they can afford to turn their nose up at talent at all. It must really be a matter of snatching up peoples skype buddies and hot topic employees and letting pajeet do all the work.
>work

>>138416090
Tests are literally the best indicator of success in any technical field

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>>138433339
>female programmer
>pic related
I've been developing software for 17 years, never had a female coworker, so happy

>>138416161
Can you give me sauce on that serb-friend?

>>138433485

Who knows. At the end of the day all I want is my 10 acres of space that's secure. When I was a kid I wanted to be an engineer so I could be an astronaut all the way up until I realized only a select few made it. No problem! Just bust your ass and don't give up! Now with all the affirmative action and "equality" pushes in the last year, I could lose out on an engineering job at a great company just si Muhammad or Latricia can check a box off the company's qouta list. The day I found out tax dollars were going to HR programs in NASA to employ more Muslims for diversity, I bailed out on all previous thinking about humanity. I really appreciate what you've shared though anon. Stay safe out there.

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>>138431592
ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

>>138433681

So many else statements in that code and no elif statements makes me pull my hair out lol

>>138420966
Here's an idea for you. How about you apply yourself?

Its not hard if you, as you claim, can read the code.

>>138433681
hmmm, very readable at least.

>>138435122

I do apply myself. There's other shit I'd rather be doing but my ass remains in that chair, wanting to learn more. It's like loving chemistry, paying attention in chemistry lecture, but when class is over you get up and walk out.

I mean is it too much to want a tutor sit copilot with me?

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>>138420323

Get into security or pentesting
Good pay, quite a lot of fun, generally have scripts to do most things for you based on the fact no one takes security seriously, but it helps to know what that actual code does instead of just running it.

Check out some free online security courses from RTI through edx,busy with the cryptography one atm. You can also pay to get certified from them or just do the course for free.

>>138436029
Person who first said you should try to understand answers better here.
No, anon, it's not too much to ask, and I totally get where you're coming from. 4chan is filled with pompous dickbags just like StackOverflow is, so ofc you're getting elitist responses from the 'god-tier' programmers here.
I'm sure a lot of people would be very happy to help with your situation on different forums. Or you could always hire someone (hopefully for cheapish) as a last resort.

>>138420139
>>138418308
>>138422014
>>138423707
>>138429941
IQ

also phones dumbing down kids

>>138415495
this is good, means no diversity hires and i've heard most women coders are trash

>>138431213
time to get into computer engineering my instead of being a code monkey

>>138416161
http://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2017-06-30/bilnd-recruitment-trial-to-improve-gender-equality-failing-study/8664888

>>138415495
i would fuck that girl

>>138415495
I think that blind hiring is a fantastic idea. They'll (SJW's) be crying crying about haw unfair it is within six months to a year, after the data gets back to the showing that white males are way over represented. Believe it: the last thing that SJW's want is a meritocracy.

funny how they're pushing memes into this industry... it's pretty obvious they are trying to lower wages.

i swear to god they are memeing this on every corner, even the radio is trying to get people to goto IT bootcamps or some horseshit and they even claim "you don't even know how to turn on a computer."
It's fucking infuriating, GTFO of tech if you have no passion or intuition.

>>138415495
I remember one company did blind hiring. So only merit was considered, guess what?

they hired even fewer women

>>138438170

Thank you anon. That is the goal, and I'll start looking around this week. Again, I'm at that level where I can read long blocks of code and see what's happening, and can even do some neat stuff with Python, but I'm definitely getting overwhelmed by seeing some integration with networking and other languages, or importing different modules for a script and not knowing most of it's contents and capabilities.

>>138440580

200% AGREE. In reality though, these types of people won't last.

>>138440035

Meh, I'd need a few beers and she would have to clean up.

>>138440891
the people that do survive will suffer though.

>>138436029
Try hackhands

>>138440984
are you serious

>>138441346

Never heard of it, but I'll check it out now.

>>138442610

>takes second, level 100 hard look

Yeah anon, that hair, especially those bangs are ruining it for me. In the presented state, she's at best a 6/10. There's potential there, but she needs to clean up.

>>138441346

This is a good resource anon, thank you.

>>138443213
you disappoint me son

>>138433681
This could be resolved with a simple for loop, right?

>>138445512

Don't get me wrong leaf, if I had to fuck her silly to secure the white race I wouldn't ask twice, but there are options.

And yes, I'd fuck her first if she A) isn't a jew and B) if it was between her and a 10/10 qt but the 10/10 qt had nigger dick and the girl in question didn't.

>>138445840
I hate that bangs have been associated with being an insufferable cunt.

Bangs are cute, dammit, cute!

>>138445569

I mean you could, but there are two issues with that code:

1) It only works if a == 1

2) It only gives the value of the product between a and b if the product is equal to ten.

So yeah, almost anything, for loop included, would be better than that heap of shit.

>>138445920

Bangs aren't the problem anon. The problem with her bangs is that she looks like she was going for a bowl cut and said "meh, fuck it, I'll leave the sides".

At least part your shit in the front so you at least have that Cortana look.

>>138446113
What prevents the code from working if a == 2?

>>138446292
>cortana

boy... you're sounding like a bigger faggot by the minute here

no offense

they're just short bangs

>>138445569

EDIT: If the value of the product is equal to or less than ten. What if I wanted to know the product of a and b but the value was 24? I'm kinda fucked aren't I?

>>138421439
>Yeah dude, I didn't say I was a pro at coding or even marketable yet. I'm still in the process of studying for the A+ cert. All I said was that I wanted clear cut answers to my entry level questions with IDLE two months ago and found none.

M8 I hear you but its gonna take two years.
Just been through all this with node / js where I would get stuck on one stupid problem for two months.

Stop being lazy and dense. You know the time it takes is the time you learn, just stick with it.

>>138445569
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>>138446410
These type of questions are usually to encourage the use of bitwise operations. Here's a solution:

https://stackoverflow.com/questions/4895173/bitwise-multiply-and-add-in-java

>>138446405

You shut your goddamn piehole leaf. Yeah, I grew up on Halo. It's shit now, but don't fuck up my childhood.

>>138446464

Well thanks man. I'm just trying to speed up the process that's all.

>>138446296

Nothing, but a isn't defined. All this code is saying is if b == 1, return "a". If b == 5, return a+a+a+a+a.

Just writing that made me realize that there isn't a call to print, which is fine, because you don't have to print it, but if she did, it would literally print a+a+a+a+a. Why not aaaaa? Why not an intenger type?

You see, the variable a has no value. It's not even a variable at that point. All the code is saying is return a number or repeating a's (seperated by +'s mind you) based on the value of b. Therefore, if you wanted to make a == 2 you would have to state that variable.

As anon >>138446599 offers, you CAN use bitwise operators, but I try to stay away from bitwise stuff because I'm crossing my fingers for my projects that I DON'T have to use binary, hex or octal. I can deal with them because we used them for some troubleshooting error codes on aircraft, but I don't plan on using them. If I need to, quick reviews are all over the place.

Thank you for that information on bitwise operators anon.

>>138415495
Met OP pic about 8 years ago

she is so jaded and used, exactly what you'd expect from a camgirl type

not very extravagant, no real skill or ability, yet they get a ton of attention

this is why people like this are so lost and dissatisfied. you're risk:work:reward ratio is out of whack, you've had it easy.

i have no problem with this person, but it's kind of a moral lesson in my life to see her. she's what you get when you rest on the laurels of your looks, then when you're older, that toxicity of vice really does a number on the body.

personally i thought she was really saggy even back 8 years ago.

>>138446296

Another thing I noticed, because as another anon said, that code is readable AT BEST, why in the fuck did she use dictionary brackets throughout the if statement?! UNNECCESARY. I she were going to use a dictionary, the whole thing could be avoided by doing something like this:

>>>b = { 1, "a", 2 "aa", 3, "aaa", .......}
>>> # then print or return b []

But like I said, that code is crap.

>>138447537

Don't tell the leaf that. He might chimp out.