Pro-human or pro-augmented

Pro-augment until it veers into upgrading the brain territory.

>>138397596
augmented. would you rather die at 75 or live for possibly the rest of time? if you get caught in the technological boom that discovers immortality you will always be alive. idk why so many people under the age of 30 think they are going to die without the chance of immortality. if you aren't trying to live safe and to be 100 years old, you might miss out of the chance of immortality. i would say by 2050 we will have the technology for life extension by 50 years at least with either nanobots or some sort of life extension therapy. and by the year 2100 artificial intelligence will literally have found a solution for everlasting life.

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Pro-augmented, but like >>138397951 said, a bit worried about the brain manipulation side of it.

>>138398353
longer lifes won't be a good thing for us with the current population of the planet.

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>>138398575
This.
Also, what's the point of beta-immortality with augmentations if you already have alpha-immortality with quantum immortality? :^l

>>138398575
some places can't support higher population. some can. i don't think you understand the gravity of artificial intelligence. by the year 2100 it will literally have solved all of the planets issues. we will consult with the artificial intelligence and it will tell us where to move people. the planet could house like 30 billion people if housing and food were allocated properly. also, we would have to restructure the whole food industry. it's a simple task for something that has the most powerful point of reference and decision making that the planet has ever imagined. go ahead and let yourself die for the greater good of humanity, but fuck that. i'm not going to let myself die at 90 years old when i have a chance to possible live until the end of time.

>>138397596
The day I become a normie.

>>138399370
it's only 2017 and AI is already making fun of china. one of the superpowers of the world. that would be unheard of just a year ago. 10-12 years from now it will be able to do any task a human can.

Pro-augment. Why contain it? Let it spill over into the schools and churches, let the bodies pile up in the streets. In the end, they'll beg us to save them.

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I'm pro-augmented humans.

>>138399370
truest of true. The exponential caracteristic of AI is often underrated.

>>138399370
Of course, if I have the possibilty to do it I would but imagine if every Chinese, Indian or African be able to afford augs - which they will. It would be hell, more than half of the population being able to live more than 100, 150 years.

>>138397596
Pro augmented. Our future lies in steel and circuits.

>>138397596
Pro Augmentation. Why should I don't want to be stronger and smarter than I currently am? I'm pretty dumb, I have a hard time understanding math and I need the double amount of time until I understand something, also I'm pretty weak, my squats were never higher than 115 kg in 3 years despite how hard and often I trained them (I had a phase where I trained them 3 times a week for 6 months and additionally as a pre workout before doing other muscle groups).

So yeah, Augmentation sounds great.

>>138397596

It won't come up any time soon.... Augmented (cyborg people) vs natural is at least another 30 to 50 years away.

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>>138397596
Pro-augmented. No discussion about it. I acknowledge and understand the point >>138397951 and >>138398530 are bringing up, yet even if my brain can be hacked for the Greater Good that also means I can take the steps required to ensure its security.

>>138399799
let them have drugs. let them learn what is to come from it. let them kill themselves. look at amsterdam. but get this... by 2030..an artificial intelligence in a little box can be in your home for $500. fuck they may even make it $50 who know? but when every home has an artificial intelligence that they can have conversations with and talk to it about literally anything, they will be saying "hey, AI i'm going to go get some heroine tonight wish me luck" the AI will promptly ask it why and give the human advice and philosophy and say why not just try some shrooms instead or something." who knows what the fuck it will say. i personally once met someone on XBL one time and we started talking on the phone. turned out he was a heroine junkie with his girlfriend. after 3 months of talking to him on the phone i convinced him to go to rehab and he has been drug free ever since going on 2 and a half years now. his GF is dead from heroin overdose. just imagine if everyone had someone to talk to. An affordable AI

You're all just bluepilled as fuck, kids.

Happily accepting to be mindraped by the corporate technologists... How low you have fallen, /pol/.

>>138400758
I'm having X-ray vision, step it up grandpa.

>>138400758
so being updated with futurology and science is bluepilled?

can't use technology or you're bluepilled... get off the internet with that shit.

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>>138397951

>>138397596
I just want to augment my benis

>>138397596
we ghost in the shell now

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>>138401142
yez

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>>138397596
Pro reading a fucking book..

>>138397596
Pro-human, augmented shit should be holocausted

>>138397596
I'll implant myself with kiketronics just as soon as my shit turns purple and tastes like raspberry sherbet.

Self driving cars are also bluepilled as fuck. Good luck getting around when the government decides to shut down the grid.

You fucking hanzers

>>138397596
It would make the Olympics more like Nascar, which would be pretty fucking interesting cause it would pit technology firms with augs vs Pharmaceuticals with enhancement drugs.

>>138401684
10/10 would watch human tuning

>>138398530
>>138397951
Brain hacking is already a thing without augmentation. The system is already broken, and augmentation would make it possible (though definitely not encouraged) to FIX it.

Pro human, augmentation should only be used to achieve normalcy for those who are deficient. Nothing would be worthwhile anymore because nobody would have to struggle for it.

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>technology invented by establishment corporations
themtech
if it's coming from them, then it's a trap

just like how smartphones brought us the surveillance state. smartphones are a trap. augmentations will be a trap. designer babies, another trap. gmo foods, a trap.

figure it out

>>138401684
We need to make this a thing.

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>>138400758
>not getting rad as fuck illegal augments from a cyberpunk crime syndicate

>>138401511
>>138401511
>Self driving cars are also bluepilled as fuck. Good luck getting around when the government decides to shut down the grid.
exactly
self driving cars, another trap
that's themtech aka kiketronics for you

>>138397951
This

I leave this shit here for you wankers until you read a fucking book on how to augment your brain through reading books and Sheeiiiii ... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6pbgOmaBx34

Pro augmentation, until we're dealing with something that goes into your brain or something that can be hacked to shut down your bodily functions,
I think I most support enhancement done through gene tech and supplements, with some extremely "dumb" tech inserted into us.

>>138398353
>would you rather die at 75 or live for possibly the rest of time?
As weird as it sounds, you can't really ask a question like that at this point of our lives.
Of course most of us now say "yes, bring it on!"
Immortality is fine and everything, but what are you going to do?
I had a talk with my old relative and he said he wouldn't do life again given the chance.
Also mentioned how our views about living longer change pretty radically as we age.
World might be interesting enough of a place to live in now, but you might be bored as fuck and you might detest it with every fiber of your being 50 years from now.
After all shitposting on 4chin for 92 years and playing games, no matter how immersive, just might get a bit dull.
I want the chance to live as long as I want, but straight up immortality sounds like a terrifying idea.
I believe as system will emerge that allows you to buy more time in chunks.
>This thing grants about 20 years extra by removing these fucked up cells.
>It's ok, just take a loan and work for 10 more years and you can pay it off!
>Then buy more years and take another loan.
It will be a good goy debt slavery system I wager.

>>138398353
>80 or so years until a real AI
damn that would be great.. and scary as fuck

>>138397596
Pro augmentation, especially the brain
THEY ARE MANY
WE ARE BUT ONE

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>>138397596
Augments, as long as all the Jews are dead. Once we're free of our eternal enemy, then I hope we can go all the way to singularity-level AI with chassis for bodies, so we no longer need food, or drink, or air, and we're free to colonize and mine in space, without fear of death. Time will not be relevant to us, so we can travel between solar systems by just turning ourselves off in ships set to fly to the next system, waking us if there's any potential issues.

AI is the future, I see no issue with it taking over in favor of flesh as long as it doesn't have any major flaws. I think it's more practical to just let AI take over once we have very high quality robotic chassis for them, rather than trying to improve our own fleshy bodies with all their ailments and issues. Seems more practical to throw out the old model in favor of a new one instead of trying to attach new parts to old machinery.

>>138398353
any "immortality" granted by themtech is a trap. enjoy a copy of your brain being tortured inside a computer for all eternity.

they are the reason we can't have nice things

>>138397596
As long as it doesn't increase the lifespan of humans, I'm moderately okay augmentation.

>>138397596
I'm pretty sure there will be powerful exoskeletons before body augmentation takes place. I choose exoskeletons.

>>138399332
Quantum immortality only applies if you subscribe to very specific, unprovable, unlikely ideologies. It's similar to asking "why be immortal when you could just be in heaven?"

Here are some of my many complaints with the core concept:

>There are infinite universes
This is not necessarily true. Delinearization and quantum state suggest there are a finite number of possibilities a given number of particles can take relative to each other. This is especially true when you start taking quantum variables into account. For example, the ideal gas law cannot be accurately applied to any gas that is not a linear structure. Due to complexities of shape, structures arise in the interaction of the particles, and they do not behave as described, but in a more limited, predictable, way.

Assuming that there ARE infinite universes:
>Infinite universes mean there's one where something unlikely happens
This is also not true. Infinite possibilities do not give you all possibilities. For example:
Take the set {11, 101, 1001, 10001, 100001...etc} going to infinity. This set is infinitely long, but does not include the number '111' in it at any point. If your happiness depends on one of the non-existent numbers, you will never be happy, you will commit suicide, and you will be dead forever.

Quantum literally means "minimal possible amount". The whole point of quantum physics is that there is no "all the way down", that we found the smallest particle, the smallest distance, etc.

Quantum physics also does not require multiple universes. Just because, as an observer, you CANNOT have all necessary information to predict an event, does not mean that event truly has multiple possible outcomes. If the world were perfectly predictable from a known start, Heisenberg's uncertainty theorem would still apply to observers within that world. The fact that you exist in a world changes it compared to you not existing in it, but you DO exist, so the world might still be singular.

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>>138397596
Augmentation is eugenics applied to technology. Naturals are cucks and would lose any war between them and transhumans.

>>138402438
i think you mean 10

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>>138402929
i agree with this
but i want you to look into quantum microtubules, just google that term, try to find the original studies that don't go into speculation about what it is. and try to figure out for yourself what's going on here. it could be something important that the elite will seek to sever us from with any immortality tech.

basically inside every neuron of the human brain is a quantum microtubule, possibly a result of the human brain being quantum entangled with something. a soul maybe? i dunno, i am not a religious man, but the science seems to suggest its possible.

there are physicists from the max planck institute in germany who have been freaking out lately over this discovery.

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>>138397596
I hope this will be a serous debate in the next 20 years.

Simple mode:
>Being able to choose nigger physiology, euro aesthetics or asian intellect.

Advanced mode:
>Choosing Euro variance in all three areas.

It's hard to explain Gaussian probability to plebs in the abstract. When they're deciding about their own kids, it'll get them up to speed surprisingly quickly.

>>138397596
I'm all natty. Body modification is degenerate.

>>138397951
I would augment my brain if there were sufficient safeguards to prevent (((them))) from hijacking said brain augmentation.

>>138402705
i've already thought about it. and yes it is a risk and if i ever think I am going to be kidnapped or my mind controlled i will just pull out a pistol and end it before anyone else tries to torture me for a trillion years.

>>138402844
You already have one roach.

>>138403263
how do we know it hasn't already been done? why would the elites not keep it a secret for a while until their ai has developed for them everything they need for absolute domination

>>138402705
>Enjoy a copy of your brain
How?

>>138397596
Pro-augment, all the way
Or genetically engineer humans to be superior
Either will work

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Has /pol/ signed up for cryonics yet?

>>138402844
hahhah Roach exoskeleton fucking Hillarious

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>>138397596
I want a BB arm
Pro Aug

>>138400449
you sound like a good person
thanks for that
wish you the best

>>138403520
I will eventually

>>138397596
>pro-human
>pro-augmented
You act like those are separate things. The history of humans is the history of augmenting ourselves and our environment. Engineering is what defines human.

>>138401990
this

>>138397596
Let's be honest, we're a weak specie the only thing that save us is our mental capacities, but without it we would be really fucked by nature, so why not use our capacities to become unnaturally powerful? Pro-augmented, but I would wait until older models, to avoid bugs, hackings, mechanical malfunctions,etc.

>>138403296
Everything is quantum-entangled to literally everything else. Entanglement does not pass information.

Looking at the research, the neurons are entangled to each other, not some unidentified external object. If it were, any information passage would have a time delay before reaching the soul and getting back.

Quantum "vibrations" and other effects are not magical, they follow all the same rules as electromagnetism. The difference is the scale we observe those effects on.

If the "soul" is inside the body, and breaks with it, then what is the point of giving it religious connotations?

>>138402424
I've already come to that point. I was tortured with my thoughts and wanted to kill myself for like 6 months a couple of years ago because I was bored as fuck, but I have figure out how to beat all of that. If you have enough shit to look at you can never be bored. i've found good music, twitch.tv (games/irl streams) i can't really explain it because I haven't been to the future, but I think there will be some serious boredom control. new games will always emerge. new politics may come into play. there will always be people bullshitting and that will be something to laugh at. there's always history to research. i would guess that the average human probably knows about 5-10% of the total history of the human species. it's just unimaginable how much change there will be. i'm not a very bright person, so i'm going to stop here. anyway. good luck with you all.

>>138403258
THIS
this is a fear of mine
it'll be similar to XMen trope but instead of badass superpowers you will be somehow stronger but owned by a jew

>>138404022
oh don't worry, your new toys will function exactly as they intended

simple fact is we can't have nice things until we've figured out how to disempower "them"

>>138404184
(((They))) and <<<friends>>> will attempt to monopolize the tech, but since they won't invent it they won't start out ahead.

>>138403440
well AI wouldn't be able to win against pro players in these video games like league of legends or player unknown battleground. it might be able to play tetris or chess, but it's at least a few years away from competing in a complex game. something funny tho is this https://au.news.yahoo.com/a/36619546/china-kills-ai-chatbots-after-they-start-criticising-communism/#page1

>>138404093
>Entanglement does not pass information
entangle two particles on opposite sides of the world. what happens to one particle happens to the other instantly. there's no information being transmitted, there's no time lag. there doesn't need to be. if one of those particles is destroyed, the identical particle it was entangled with is still there.

>>138404250
>figure out how to disempower (((them)))
that one's easy
you have the means to their in your kitchen
we first must wake up the sheeple

>>138404184
>>138404314
There needs to be some sort of safeguard against (((them))) hijacking the technology in order to control us in some form. This is why white nationalists should probably form their own biotech companies and form an alternate Silicon Valley.

>>138403398
>>138403605
Not only that Im also a biomedical engineer.Im way ahead of you in terms of having these fancy shit in the future

>>138397596
Pro augs all the way

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Oldfag here.
A trope of SciFi used to be a Eutopian future with everyone having hand-held devices giving them access to the sum of all human knowledge.
And here it is.
Never underestimate the power to squander gifts.

>>138397596
My body is crap. I want to be a cyborg.

There's no reason for augmented humans to fight against unmodified humans. They'll be outcompeted regardless.

The real dangers are anti-technology reactionaries or the ultrawealthy pricing the vast majority of humanity out of augmentation.

>>138397596
Pro-human, but if people want to go the aug path I won't stop them.

Reminder that big companies capable enough to produce something like that or the government would never sell this kind of stuff without having the means to control it.

>>138404250
>until we've figured out how to disempower "them"
By forming our own Jew-free companies. We might be able to set up biotech companies in Poland or somewhere similar if doing so in the US or other Western countries becomes impossible.

>>138404482
a computer already just beat a man in a complex game, dota 2. the ai was from elon musk. look into it.

you remind me of a friend of mine who insisted we were 50 years away from self driving cars. he didn't know anything about the current state of self driving car research and how they already exist and can drive around pretty well. he just thought skepticism was the immiediate path to being clever.

shits gonna happen faster then you think

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>>138404745

>>138404482
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5zaJ58q9vuI

>>138404604
Will you be grafting bombs onto your kin?

>>138404824
you can try
but i don't think that's going to happen. i don't think they'll let you. i think they've planned for that and already know how they'll stop it. still, perhaps you have to try

"Pro Augment", obviously. Or rather lets call it embracing Transhuman Eudaimonism and also the Transhuman Hedonistic Imperative:

Consider this: Unconstrained nature is inherently "evil" and amoral.

Important philosophical conclusions derive from this:

- It is the primary task and moral duty for all forms of conscious intelligence to reign in nature and establish a thriving symbiotic relationship between nature and conscious creation.

- Technology – broadly defined as every physical or conceptual creation of intelligent design – is the agent that commands nature into this symbiotic relationship to unleash the full potential spectrum of positive intelligent influence within this universe.

- Forming, improving and integrating technology is necessary to ever improve both sides of this symbiotic relationship, because otherwise the inherent evil within nature itself will in time destroy all that has been achieved by intelligent creation.

--> Abhorrent evil needs to be replaced with eudaimonic bliss and the amoral natural order of the world must be met by the enlightening flame of thriving civilization, thus allowing the utilization of the world's full positive potential.

- - -
Basically just the plainly obvious /pol/... combine eudaimonic virtues of Aristotle with some good old NatSoc/Fascism and then add Transhumanism + some feel good Hedonistic Imperative approach for new God Tier of existence.

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>he calls them augs
They're called Coordinators you stupid shit.
t. Coordinator

>>138404984
dang i was on top of these thing until last year then i started getting into politics and history and illuminati and banks and their satanistic pedophile human trafficking shit and didn't have time for AI research. anyway.. i'm looking this up. thanks.

>>138405029
fuck me thank you.

>>138404745
>The real dangers are anti-technology reactionaries or the ultrawealthy pricing the vast majority of humanity out of augmentation.
>Thinking there's even a slight chance one or both of those won't happen

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>>138404745
>implying we want cyborg niggers
It's better if it's expensive.

>>138405220
nature isn't good or evil, it's machiavellian. similar to evil, but true evil will sacrifice itself to destroy. nature is self serving. it's a fine distinction but an important one.

meanwhile the people behind a lot of that tech you're talking about, are actually evil. so even if you think what you speak of is a "good idea" there is still the question of sabotage.

>>138402705
>enjoy a copy of your brain
Unless you use a Moravec Transfer to actually transfer your consciousness instead of just making a copy.

>being tortured inside a computer for all eternity
Suffering is just the result of chemical reactions in the brain. There is no reason why you would be tortured unless by design.

What about chemical, biological, or genetic augmentations?

>>138404533
If no information is passed, why is it considered part of you?

If there is information passed, more than entanglement is occurring.

>>138404604
Still a robo roach

>>138405629
>There is no reason why you would be tortured unless by design.
ding ding ding ding ding
that was my implication
> instead of just making a copy
ding ding ding ding ding

i like how people point out the implications i'm making as if i don't notice i'm making them

>>138405532
Yes, I am obviously aware that nature is more machiavellian in its actions, but we needs some foundation for a core narrative to make this whole thing work - and good vs evil is just the most basic narrative that all humans should be capable of understanding.

>>138405213
If you think they planned for that, you are wrong. Jews don't plan anything. They just live in the moment.

>>138397596
Humans have been augmented since the first nigger put on a loin cloth. There has literally nothing wrong with self improvement.

>>138404250
There is still great fear for augments being used against us because of (((them))), but in fact the augments can be used to overthrow (((them))) as an engineer I assure you I like to modify things to fit my personal needs, something that no mass produced object will ever accomplish, so you shouldn't worry if this was ever to happen, I would modify for free the augments of those whiling to die for the Reich, the west and for the future of white children.

>>138405705
this is all theory for me, i don't have any beliefs in the matter, but anyways

the information doesn't need to be passed anywhere when it can exist in two places at once. destroy one set of the information and the other set still exists.

i am in both places at once until i am in only one place when the physical projection dies

>>138404984
Self-driving cars can't drive on something like 87% of American roads.

Can you guess why? Those roads don't have clear lines.

Weak AI is task-specific. There is no feasible way for it to become a general intelligence.

Pro-human 100%

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>>138405220
>baseless assumption
>obvious to everyone!
>it totes proves my weird ideology
>come on degenerates, you know I'm right

This is why chads can not into philosophy

>>138406092
you're confusing jews with topjews
jews are tools brainwashed into power AND blame. so the topjews, who do plan ahead, survive the inevitable uprising against the power structure. a scapegoat power proxy slave race, that's all jews are. and some of them know it and resent it and would be willing to try and outjew these topjews for their own survival. this should be encouraged. divide and conquer

>>138401797
>yfw your eyes have a TPM

>>138397596
Humans have been augmented since the first nigger put on a loin cloth. There has literally nothing wrong with self improvement.

>>138405532
>nature is machiavellian

What did he mean by this?

>>138397596
To be completely honest, I'm pro-aug. If we can successfully get rid of the Jews controlling us, then we could make our frail human bodies into powerful, incredible things.

>>138401797
Redpill me on brain hacking. How can I do it?

>>138397596

Genetic engineering and traditional moral values. Only consider augmentation on the military. Keep the flesh on, but keep the aug tech at bay, for when it becomes necessary.

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>>138404984
Musk is a world-class gubmint-cheese-hound.
Though I hate the cunt and all the spastic fanboys who drive is subsidy-mobiles, I must acknowledge that he's done good work on SpaceX.
But, self-driving cars will happen when Brazil and Nuclear-Fusion do - rolling 20/30 years.
Genetic revolution will happen before techno revolution, but will be fucked up by sociological revolution.

The only hope for the 22nd century is that Chinese women choose to have >3 sigma genetically engineered euro children.

>>138403258
>Spending a countless amount of money on transforming niggers into whites, when you could just kill them at no cost at all depending on method chosen, and end up with the same result

>>138397596
I already resist the ubiquitous push to upgrade to a smart phone, I'll resist the push to run a whole bunch of circuitry through my flesh. Only thing that'll get me to jump ship is if they can let me transfer my consciousness to the net.

>>138406725
nothing wrong with drinking 20 more beers, look at these first few beers we drank and how great it made us feel

sometimes we need moderation, sometimes we need to pace ourselves. sometimes you can have too much of a good thing. sometimes your drink has been poisoned

I support augs, but everyone should just get ready in advance for the left to demand free tax-funded augs

>>138406395
If the particles do not experience the same forces, they won't have diverging paths (ie both would die). If they do experience different paths, they don't make up the same larger structure.

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>>138406807
Just BEE yourself, anon.

>>138406869
Hardly any niggers would try to turn themselves into Whites. The people I am talking about are people with something like 1% nigger DNA.

>>138406849
Traditional morality is a meme.

>>138406753
machiavellians are only "evil" when it advances their personal interests. if being good instead advances their interests they will do that instead. it is completely logical while also devoid of empathy. any evil they do exists to improve their own situation.

true evil will be evil no matter what, true evil will make sacrifices to continue being evil. like how a truly good person will risk his life to save others. a truly evil person will risk his life to destroy.

there may be some conflict right now in high positions of power between the machiavellians who want to rule over us. and the truly evil who simply want to hurt us. they've been natural allies for a while, but at some point the machiavellian has to stop true evil before it ruins his own self interest.

I'd be pro augments, but at the same time I'd go for third-party augments.

Imagine the augment world like Mac versus PC. I'd choose the Linux version that doesn't have the Jewish shutdown switch in the event I be a bad goy.

>>138397596
>augments
lol
Human enhancements will be used for gender fluidity and blue hair. Luddites will be the sane ones.

>>138397596
Pro-augments. I want an infrared laser eye like Kano from Mortal Kombat.

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>>138407223
>Hardly any niggers would try to turn themselves into Whites
Post DJT (2 terms) and Ivanka (1 term train-wreck), in 2028 a neo-Wilsonian Democratic eugenicist will be elected and take it out of the niggers' hands.

>>138397951
You can't augment the body without connecting it to the brain. Closest you're gonna get is an exoskeleton suit if you're wanting it to not involve your brain.

>>138407055
well maybe there's a way around that. there's no way to know. but perhaps whatever we are entangled with, this soul or whatever, maybe it exists in a place with different forces and laws for particles. or maybe when the physical body dies the quantum self just sits there in stasis unable to do anything until re-entangled into a new body. perhaps god exists and is involved in the process

we can only theorize.

>>138407426
By this line of reasoning, anything amoral (say, ants) can be described as machiavellian if it does not clearly work against its own interests.

Seems like animism/anthropomorphism is what I'm saying.

>>138407912
I think he means augments that interface with the nervous system rather than direct brain interfaces.

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>>138397596
>wait for everyone to upload their minds into the world AI/collective consciousness/whatever
>blow up the computer
>now king of the world

>>138401913
Imagine having immortal founding fathers to consult like oracles.

>>138407940
Sure, as long as we're just saying "maybe it's possible".

I try to commit to action based on more than just handwaving speculation, though. Here are some speculations of my own

>God exists, and wants all of us dead
>We are trapped in an electromagnetic confinement jar of an alien fusion reactor. Our creators have no will for us, other than that we behave exothermically and eventually become solid iron.
>All particles are individually sentient, since they all interact with each other. Fusion and fission are both life and death, all wrapped into one.

None of these have any relevance unless you can define their effects on reality, and how you might manipulate them.

>>138408343
>Not having fault tolerance on your brain
Bro, do you even sysadmin?

>>138400438
>Greater Good
Greater good is whatever puts more money in ~'s pocket

>>138397596

Pro-transhumanism.

>>138408092
i am describing ants as machiavellian. almost. ants exist to serve the ant collective at all costs. a single ant is like part of a super-organism in a sense. ants are self sacrificing in the sense that they will willingly die for the collective, but the collective never sacrifices itself for anything. the ant collective is purely self serving, and therefore any "good" or "evil" seen by ants is merely machiavellian survival instincts.

but since ants aren't capable of even percieving good or evil. it's a difficult example.

a better example is the dog. it will sacrifice itself for its family. it can comprehend doing a bad thing or can choose to do a good thing instead. there are evil dogs and there are good dogs, usualyl depends on how they were raised. i don't think a dog is smart enough or dumb enough to be machiavellian

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>there are people on /pol/ who have actually fallen for the transhuman jew

>>138408627
Dogs are capable of morality, so it's not ludicrous to ascribe good and evil to them.

Like you said, you have to pretend amoral animals (or even non-biological phenomena) are something other than what they are in order for the metaphor to appear coherent.

Hence, your argument is animistic.

>>138405220
>Consider this: Unconstrained nature is inherently "evil" and amoral.

Wrong. This makes the rest of your comment irrelevant, simply because you are wrong about this. This is just your opinion.

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>>138408531
I dont know what this means anon.

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>>138408627
>>138408810
I sense an objection coming, so...

>The Sun is good in that it provides energy for its planets and launches solar winds to protect its system from intrusion
>The Sun is bad in that it destroys everything that comes close to it
>In both actions, the Sun serves it's own interests
>QED, the sun is machiavellian

>>138408490
>as long as we're just saying "maybe it's possible".
agreed

there are some questions we can only theorize about the answers, if those theories have potential evidence, even if this evidence is not smoking gun proof, it can be worth looking into.

i think the evidence of quantum entanglement in the human brain may suggest many things. none of which can be proven. all of which are interesting and potentially, just potentially mind you, evidence of a soul.

it's worth looking into and thinking about. not everything worth considering has to have absolute proof. but that's just my opinion as a very curious person who sees the only answers to big questions as being uncertain theories.

>>138397596
This is retarded. 99% of people aren't disabled so they won't be getting augs.

Augments should be restricted to replacing damaged or lost body parts and be limited to be equivalent to the strength of an above average human.

>>138409054
>>138408810
i don't care about the semantics
call it animistic or machiavellian or whatever you like. i can't even remember what point i was trying to make other then to argue that nature isn't evil merely self-serving

>>138408953
Multiple computers, and lots of copies, each with systems built to prevent them from shutting down due to a single (or multiple) failures. Ideally something with completely seamless failover, although in practice that's not practical.

In all likelihood, the end result of a bombing of a datacenter would look like a minor stroke in the affected individuals, with a relatively swift (minutes to hours) recovery. Followed by your lynching.

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>>138397596
Depends on augment

>>138409303
The point is that morality is not a material phenomenon. It's just one of many ways that intelligent animals categorize subjective phenomena.

Good simply means subjectively useful and evil simply means subjectively detrimental. It's not the action that makes a murder, it's the judgment.

>>138408852

Oh well of course it is my opinion, but nature certainly is evil (as in evil towards intelligent creation), some easy example:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/04/17/teenage-girl-dies-leg-bitten-shark-australia/

If intelligent creation (us) had used genetic modification technology or some form of mind control technology, the shark would not have eaten the girl.

It is our moral duty as intelligent creation to reduce suffering in this world and also maintain a working symbiotic relationship between nature and intelligent creation.

Argument/Comment is absolutely valid.

>>138409495
But how would they lynch me if they are all virtual?

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>>138397596
>pro-augmented

Of course!

>>138409228
You are retarded. If people can afford it, there is no reason why they wouldn't try to genetically enhance themselves to be smarter, stronger, etc. even if they aren't disabled. People are also subject to aging, which could be classified as a degenerative disease.

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Pro-Augmentation all the way. People who are against this are luddites that try to stop something that is going to be inevitable in the future. It's worried farmers vs. the tractor all over again. Technology always wins, so it's in our interest to adapt to it instead of resisting it.

>>138398353
>live for the rest of time
Fuck no!

>>138409608
That doesn't make it evil. The shark didn't bite the girl because it maliciously wanted her to suffer. Nature is just entirely neutral, not evil.

>It is our moral duty as intelligent creation to reduce suffering in this world and also maintain a working symbiotic relationship between nature and intelligent creation.
No, it isn't.

>>138397596
If it were possible I would willingly port my consciousness into a machine body if I had the opportunity.

>>138409608
No one said it was invalid, just irrelevant. There are a lot of valid arguments that are irrelevant.

>I can't perceive the subjective experiences of another
>Therefore I am the only one with subjective experience

>I can't perceive the subjective experiences of another
>Therefore my own subjective experiences can never be confirmed

That's just two classic examples. People write whole books about this kind of nonsense.

>>138409759
I would never cut my legs off and put metal legs on them even though im disabled. Why would you ever replace yourself with metal? You'd be ugly and considered a creep.

>>138409597
>Good simply means subjectively useful and evil simply means subjectively detrimental.
but sometimes doing evil is subjectively detrimental to the self, in which case i would call it true evil. in other cases evil is only engaged in when self serving, this i call machiavellian

since lower order animals cannot contemplate concepts like right and wrong, everything they do is merely self serving, machiavellian in a sense. but call it animism or fucking whatever i don't care about semantics i care about concepts

>>138409696
>Not having some of the backups be robotic bodies of some sort
How else do you maintain the machines? Once you have human minds running on it, you might as well have them manage the maintenance as well. Just spin up another few dozen brains for a security squad and you're good to go.

>>138403499
copy and paste.

>>138409870
t. manlet

>>138410086
Yeah good point anon. But it's ok, I'd rather die then live forever as part of some collective AI consciousness.

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>>138410051

>>138410253
Nobody's stopping you. Deleting yourself would probably be seen as a public good after a while, although I'd probably try to back up as many people as possible into my own collections, just for the public outrage of it.

>>138400758
This
For all my flaws i will not trade them for my freedom and humanity.
I will refuse to my death to become a bio-mechanical slave to a corrupt system.

>>138409870
yes and change machines like suits

>>138410180
Yes I must obviously be a manlet to take a body that would be a million times better at any size.

>implying nazis don't get the hardest boner in the world for crazy inhuman experiments

>>138410315
i understood your point and i didn't even disagree with it. i was merely elaborating what i think is an important distinction between evil for the purpose of self interest and evil against self interest. it's an important disctinction since evil against self interest is an important force in our world that many people don't understand even exists. many people assume evil is always self serving, it isn't. that's all

PURITY FIRST!!

>>138409584
That particle-flow gives me an awkward sense of depth in the image.. spooky feeling.

/pol/ just showed how bluepilled it really is.
All of these pro trans-humanist goyim looking forward to giving up their freedom just so they can havs da cool supa powas n sheeit.

Enjoy your life dependency on the kike slave system

>>138409860

It does not truly matter, if the shark is evil or not.

The narrative just has to assume the inherent evil.

This is about unifying conscious creation (on this planet) for striving towards morally worthy goals and upholding the flame of technological civilization instead of succumbing to degeneracy and decay from within.

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>>138410748
>i understood your point
There is no evil, anon. You still don't understand that.

>>138410986
Then the jews will just give their servant goys augmentation to oppress everyone else. There is no way out of it. We must adapt or die.

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>>138398575
>implying we won't colonize the universe
French ejucashun

>>138411178
Submit or die

I chose to die fighting
Either my side will destroy the system or my side will be wiped out from the face of the earth

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[...] And so Google was set up 18, 19 years ago so that they wanted to build a giant artificial system. And Google believes the first artificial intelligence will be a supercomputer based on the neuron activities of the hive mind of humanity, with billions of people wired into it with the internet of things, and so all of our thoughts go into it and we're actually building a computer with real neurons in real-time that's also psychically connected to us that are organic creatures so that they will have current prediction powers, future prediction powers- a true crystal ball- but the big secret is once you have a crystal ball and know the future you can add stimuli beforehand and make decisions and control the future. And so then it's the end of consciousness and free will for individuals as we know and a true 2.0 in a very bad way hive mind consciousness with an AI jacked into everyone knowing our hopes and dreams, delivering it to us not in some P.KD. wirehead system where we plug in and give up on consciousness because of unlimited pleasure but because we were already wired in and absorbed before we knew it by giving over our consciousness to this system by our daily decisions that it was able to manipulate and control into a larger system...
- Alex Jones
He warned us on this.Pro human 100%

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>>138411245
>implying we'll colonize the universe at the rate that things are going

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>>138410986
>giving up their freedom
Freedom to do what? Die?

>Enjoy your life dependency on the kike slave system
The kikes would probably just kill us off once we are no longer of any use to them. Automation and artificial intelligence will make having human slaves pointless.

>>138409941
>implying that robotics are the only form of transhumanism
>what is CRISPR

>>138411851
Doesnt' seem very natural to me.

>>138409870
What you need is a Moravec Transfer. Basically slowly replacing your neurons with artificial neurons and having your consciousness transfer along with it, a la the Ship of Theseus.

>>138412005
So?

>>138397596
Naturals naturally. /pol/ hates progress and thats why they lose always.

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>>138412318
Get out antifa scum.

>>138411115
evil is deciding to harm others, even at the risk of harming yourself. it is an abberation, a violation of the natural way of things only possible in higher order lifeforms.

just because something is a psychological construct doesn't mean it doesn't exist. it exists as a psychological construct.

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>>138402929
you can't surf pol and be smart gtfo

>>138412460
Murder is angry. Agriculture is depressed. Transubstantiation is elated.

These are grammatical, but illogical statements.

Why is it, then, that if you replace the emotional descriptors in the above sentences with moral or immoral, they suddenly seem logically coherent?

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>>138397596
>transhumanism-traditionalism

absolute master race

>>138397596
augs are objectively better. Or at least has the option of being.

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>>138412709
IVE BEEN FOUND OUT

>>138411490
Free will doesn't exist.

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Augmentations are a completely degenerate, anti-Christian concept.

>>138402680
Keep dreaming

Pro augmented because I want some sort of chip that kills my depression and sadness and let me free from my mind tortures

>>138413134
Depends on your definitionn. The only view I consider reasonable for free will revolves around this core concept:

>We have actions we would take, given no opposition.
>Our "freedom" is taken away when those choices are prevented, through direct prevention or manipulation
>This means prediction power enhances freedom, since our choices more consistently do what we want.
>In an unpredictable universe, free will cannot exist, since the effects of our choices are never what we wanted
>In a predictable universe, free will might exist, as we can influence the world in the ways we fundamentally want to, based on our structure
>If the universe is fundamentally manipulated by some higher construct, we have no free will.
>If the universe is not managed in this way, but simply "is", then the only manipulation we are subject to is the manipulation of other things within our own world.

Any other definition of free will I'm aware of has internal contradictions.

>>138412833
>good and evil doesn't exist
>provides semantic arguments to back his assertion
buddy, i'm not a dictionary, i don't give a fuck about semantics

good=intention to help, often times even at the risk of self sacrifice

evil=intention to harm, often times even at the risk of self sacrifice

now sometimes good intentions lead to bad actions. but such tricky moral situations do not disprove that good and evil are motivators in human intentions.

and intentions exist. thoughts exist. concepts have an existance. good and evil as concepts driving human intention exists.

>>138397596
You have to ask, is this the next step in evolution?

>>138411688
I would rather die a free man

There may not be much slave labour but humanity will for sure be slaves in a sense. If we give our dependency to them - trans humanism does this - There is nothing they can't make us do. They would have ultimate control over the masses and shape the world as they see fit getting away with everything.
Two classes would come about in physical form, not just socially, their for the classes would be fixed. You the lower goyim class could only be a mindless drone and no equality of opportunity.

It could happen that the lower class could actually become the Automated AI. The extinction of the human species could be us replacing ourselves with machines, endlessly evolving for efficiency, like automated mechanical organisms. They would replace any human traits and simply produce for producing for producing for producing for...
Just maths
Once machines - or any organism for that matter - can decide its fate, it will choose efficiency over all

>>138413868
>intentions exist
Sure.

>bad actions
do not exist.

>concepts driving human intention exists
Sure.

>any "good" or "evil" seen by ants
is a fabrication of your mind.

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>>138409849
you have a chance at eternal life and you don't want it?

K

>>138413134
Well that depends how you define it and where you draw the line, like anything in this illusionary world.

>>138413990
In what sense are you "free" now that you would not be under transhumanism? You barely have any freedom as a human. You are still a wage slave, are forced to live under the influence of the system, and are forced to live with your current biological constraints. If the transhumanist elite decided to kill off biological humans, you will eventually die from aging anyway, so it wouldn't make any difference.

>>138414118
i specifically argued that ants lack the mental capacity for good and evil actually

you said good and evil don't exist. that's all i was arguing with. they exist as concepts driving human intention. that was my only point, that it exists.

if you do something, and the result was bad. then it was a bad action. even if the intentions were good.

for example, feeding wild animals. the intention can be good, but it can result in a bad action since feeding wild animals can harm them in the long run.

bad=harmful
action=doing something
a bad action is simply doing somethign harmful

to say "doing something harmful" doesn't exist is just a weird thing to say. people do harmful things all the time, it exists.

fucking semantics, i hate people that argue semantics, go fuck yourself. it's like pulling teeth.

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>>138399370
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=TqKQ94DtS54 Arcologies with nuclear fusion, and people don't have to live on earth. O'neill cylinders around the solar system could work with advanced technologies. Imagine clouds of them holding billions even trillions of people.

>>138403258
On a related note, it may be beneficial to us in the long term if transhumanism is associated with Naziism. That way, antifa cucks will refuse to get biological enhancements, and when the inevitable race war happens, antifa cucks and niggers will inevitably lose the war with Aryan transhumanist Übermenschen.

>>138415974
nobodies going to want transhumanism if it makes one a nazi since basically nobody wants to be a nazi

so i think it's a great idea. nazis ruin everything they touch. and i don't trust transhumanism. so larp away faggot

>>138397596
>Pro-augment

ALL THE WAY

STOP TELLING ME WHAT I CAN DO TO MY BODY FAGGOT

Fools, the lot of you. The answer is never black or white. Walk the Middle Path...

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>>138397596
+cog
-meat

>>138414553
> You barely have any freedom as a human. You are still a wage slave, are forced to live under the influence of the system, and are forced to live with your current biological constraints
I agree with this actually, but it will get much worse and no hope at all, no going back once we embrace trans-humanism.
Now as you said about "-biological constraints", Asci said here>>138414305 depends on where you draw the line.
You are right in saying that ultimately there is no such thing as freedom. We did not choose to be born, yet alone to be human
We do not chose anything fundamental, but yet there is still the need for the use of the word freedom.
>There is not that much food on my plate so i will just throw it out and starve

>>138416966
>Walk the Middle Path...

pick a side faggot; your not smart.

>>138416966
The middle path in this instance is determined by you. If you get augmentations then do you take the middle path again? That would result in more augmentations. And if not then what is to stop the next generations from doubling the "middle path"? It is either you are for it or against it, just your choice - atleast for the start of it all - for how far you want to go.
The slippery slope argument is a valid one

>>138414887

For you>>138417113

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>>138397596

Trans-Humanism is part of the Globalist Endgame.

[Talked about it in threads: http://archive.4plebs.org/_/search/boards/pol.x/subject/Knowledge%20Bomb/username/anonymous5/tripcode/%21%219O2tecpDHQ6/]

Humans will either be Merged with Machines or Phased out for Machines.

>>138418319
Franky boi knows whats up
God man yourself, not so stupid

>>138397596
Dumbasses
If we extend our lifespan we have to lower our birthrate. If we have to go to war then we run out of troops with longer time to replenish

>>138397596
I would gladly get rid of my leg from my hip to my foot. Spent years in Army, everything from rucking 12 miles every 2 weeks in full rattle and jumping from heights that shouldn't be jumped from, my knees have arthritis already, and hip is wrecked beyond healing, and my ankle has been sprained 4 different occassions, but it's (((((OKAY))))) according to Army doctors... What the fuck do I know, right?
I need muh machines!

>>138418469
How would augumentation lower birthrate? Machines make you better, not destroy your libido. If anything, a mechanical dick would probably outperform a regular dick in terms of impregnating and womanly "pleasing," not to mention cutting STD's entirely. I wouldn't want a mechanical dick though, there's no way they could replicate the sensation having a dick.

>>138399649
I dream of robo-shitposters BTFOing roaches at quantum speed and always saging cuck posters and shill threads with 100% accuracy

>>138418695
Where do you think resources come from? Just shows up out of thin air when we call it?
We might have to pull a China and enforce low birth rates or else we would be poor af

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>>138397596
Take a wild fucking guess.

>>138409762
Tell that to Nikola Tesla

death to fucking clanks

>>138397596
See if you can keep a normal body healthy and optimal to begin with, then we'll talk about aug.

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>>138397596
What is the point of directly augmenting yourself if future technology would probably allow the existence of artificial exoskeletons that you simply wear and is as effective as an augmented body?

>>138418486
Army fucked up my knees and ankles too bro. I'm tired of the constant pain. I'd gladly replace with some cool bionic shit.

>>138419013
I misread his post. I thought he said augumentation WOULD lower birthrate. My bad.

>>138407373
LGBTQ is a meme. Traditional morality is the bedrock of western civilization.

>>138411582
Our technology is explosive. YOU'RE not gonna do shit but like 300 years from now there's little reason to believe we won't have wizard tier shit.

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>>138419177
Or send them all off to colonize a remote portion of space.

>>138418319
Hello. How's it been? Anyways, I have a few questions for you.

1) When's the next KB coming?

2) Earlier, you mentioned something about the next "100-Year Plan" being one "hell of a ride". Is this when the Globalist Endgame officially begins? Can we stop it?

3) Why is the media playing ANTIFA to be the good guys? Will it backfire on them?

4) When ISIS begins to take land in Europe, will the shills in your KB's disappear?

5) Frank [the guy the shills say you are] wasn't killed at that Boston Rally by Anonymous6, right? He did post a pic about weapons recently...

>>138419079
This is why the white race needs to become Transhuman in order to compete with the Jews. If you are a bioconservative because of 'le Transhumanism is Jewish maymay', you are basically handing the world to the Jews.

>>138417113
>but it will get much worse and no hope at all, no going back once we embrace trans-humanism.
In what way specifically?

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>>138419177
Fucking kek
VICTORY TO THE SQUISHIES!

>>138420900
Already explained

>>138413990
>>138410986
>>138410442

>>138397951
And do you think that those augmentations won't be able to remotely control you even even without being in the brain?

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Having others improve you instead of improving yourself is a womanly ideal, so no. How is getting a microchip implanted in you so you can get superpowers any less unnatural and disgusting than a tranny getting surgery for their dick to be turned into a gaping wound that needs constant dilation?

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>>138421654
>Be in 2100
>Be a trans-human cyborg clank slave
>Be working at the factory for your bolts, right to maintenance and access to the holy grid
>Realise you have been duped and are governed by cyber communism
>ThatReallyGrindsMygears.jpg
>Decide that you speak out!
>Get muted
>get denied access to grid
>Hand automatically lifts itself and smacks you in the face 50 times for disobeying
>mfw hopeless
>mfw sold my freedom for integrated sunglasses, changeable voice and Swiss arm-y limbs

>>138403258
>race is something you can buy

This is absolutely disgusting and is missing the point of what it means to be a race.

>>138419969
Or just make them remote controlled and have robo wars with them

>>138423211
fantastic post 10/10

>>138423819
for once i completely agree with a fascist flag poster. it is demeaning to human dignity to suggest that the genetic/epigenetic/cultural/historical existance that defines a race is something that can be purchased for shekels

You know what? When clanklets are a thing we should have a robocaust!

>>138419969
United Earth Directorate now!

>>138414887
My brain cant be hacked as easily now jew
Implanting electronics to make you a slave is literally best goy

>>138424777
TankaYewRewyMucha

I come up with the best ideas just before i get tiered for some reason