How fucked up is the electoral college?

When was the last time Wyoming was relevant in an election.

>>138392122
Electoral college numbers change every decade
Nothing is wrong with it as a system, it's literally designed to be tweaked constantly.

Also, america literally doesn't have a popular vote for ANYTHING
We are states. If we ever had a vote on something that counted beyond our individual states, it would open the door for the federal government to run all races, and that's the end of the usa

>>138392122
You got a bigger version. Unlike you I am not an ant.

>>138392122
Let's compromise. Eliminate the electoral college but nuke southern California.

>>138392122
It's fucked. The argument from people against the popular vote is that they want an equal system, but all the electoral college does is shift the majority of influence away from cities and into empty shithole states. It reverses the problem instead of fixing it.

>>138392122

Does Not take into account winner takes all states though. Trump won florida by only 100k, and all electoral votes went red because of that.

>>138392122
If the smaller population states were overpowered by the coasts, on everything....why would they stay in the union? When their interests would NEVER be represented? Why should they become slaves to the insane leftist totalitarians in California and New York?

>>138392122
All the redditors in this thread bitching about it can eat ass.
If you want a fair change, let's adopt a threshold so that in cases where one wins the EC without the popular vote but goes above the threshold, the popularly elected candidate wins but other doesn't if below threshold.

>>138393478
Honestly a decent step to unfuck this abortion of a system is to make every state divvy the EC votes by percentages. Winner takes all is an embarrassing joke. Enjoy being a Republican in New York or California, or a Democrat in any deep south state. Your vote is essentially pointless, a waste of time. Which is not how voting should work.

>>138393445
Founding fathers didn't want major states to overpower lesser states' will. It's why we have two congressional chambers. Stop fucking with a government you don't understand. Read the Federalist papers and the foundations of our nation.

Why is it so hard to understand that we're a Federal Republic? As in a Federation of states?

The electoral college is perfectly fine

>>138394371
CAUSE IT WAS HER TURN!!!!
Also, what do you think of >>138393714

>>138393995
How is that any different than a popular vote?

>>138394512
I'm fine with the way the system is now, honestly. It's the parties' own fault that they don't have more flexible state-based representation. A Republican in NJ shouldn't necessarily be seeking the same things as a Republican in Iowa

It all boils down to our overarching Federal government and how too much power has been deverted from the states. The national parties should be more of coalitions like what occurs in Parliamentary systems

>>138394652
Smaller states still hold greater per vote power than larger states. So the votes of a million Californians to get one Red delegate is still equal to the vote of 100K Wyomiangians.

>>138394652
it's not pure popular vote since states still only receive a certain number of electoral votes per population

but a % of those votes can still go towards a candidate versus winner take all where a slight majority gets 100% of the electoral votes for that state

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>>138392122
The electoral college was designed to make sure the interests of every man could be represented as equally as possible. The vote of a man in Wyoming is insanely strong compared to California, yes, but just how many men vote in Wyoming compared to California? Practically none.
The electoral college must stay because it destroys the possibility of pure popular vote becoming a deciding factor and instead distributes power based on population on a state-wise basis (and all of the states have radically different interests considering they are spread out across a continent). OP is a faggot

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Retard Alert drink the bleach faggot !!

The only reason that either the Senate or the EC exist is that the smaller states wouldn't have signed onto the Constitution otherwise.

What would make perfect sense in electing the President is nationwide instant-runoff voting. Good luck getting the two big parties to agree to that.

Good luck getting the Constitution amended to anything sensible. Need 3/4 of the state legislatures to consent. All the smaller states want to keep their advantage.

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>>138392122
poor fella's candidate in the election didn't win :'( sad days my friend, maybe you should just kill yourself before it gets too much to like literally like handle?

>>138392122
>People are STILL butthurt about trump winning
Christ just get over it. Name one thing that trump has done that directly affected your daily life.

>>138393995
California used to be red though.

>>138392122
I like the way Maine does it with district EVs as well as statewide ones.

I'd much rather see a multi-party system and a better ballot method, but I've come around to liking the EC overall.

>>138392122
make DC vote with Maryland and split California on red/blue lines and stop complaining.

>>138393385
Pls no. Just enable the purge in California, I'll do the rest I promise

>>138394300
Yeah great, now the lesser states outpower the major states' will.

>>138393487
lmao you act like the US isn't just a giant blob of indiscernible "states" with no real local identities or interests

>>138392122
>It's insane how much value a vote from Wyoming or DC has, especially compared to Texas or California
You're the type of asshole that makes it necessary. Fucking douchebag.

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Fuck Off

>>138392122
Good point. Michigan, Wisconsin and Pennsylvanian didn't matter at all in the last election

>>138395397
For people who whine about redistribution of wealth, they have a difficult time understanding redistribution of votes.

>>138392122

The left will bitch, and moan about there being a 3 vote minimum for states in the electoral college when California has 55 by itself...

Yet, they are the same people that bitch and moan wanting a higher minimum wage.

fucking hypocrites

>>138392122
Maybe so many people shouldn't live gutter trash cities.

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>>138392122
So people that live in states like Wyoming have an equal voice you fucking moron.

The electoral college is not perfect but its better than what you want to do.

All the popular vote encourages is politicians to fight over all the cuck states besides Texas which will always be red.

In other words, you don't think tens of millions of peoples vote should matter. In which case why should yours?

Cause you live in Cuckafornia and hate Drumpf?

>>138392122
>A country is made only of people
Fuck off faggot it's also made of lands and resources that fags in liberal urban shitholes consume and benefit from.

>>138392122
>electoral college specifically designed so that smaller states are weighted higher
>OMG GUISE MY VOTE COUNTS MORE IN WYOMING!!!

>>138392711
The point is only 563,000 people live in Wyoming (an area that's about as big as Italy), so the few people who do live there have a vote that counts for much more than say, a Californian's or Floridian's vote would count for, because of the electoral votes being disproportionate to the state's actual population in relation to all the other states.

REPUBLICANS NEED TO BE GENOCIDED

They need to get rid of the backwards electoral college and replace it with a fair democratic popular vote.

IT WAS HER FUCKING TURN.

>>138393445

You have exactly as much influence as you deserve relative to your population.

What are you complaining about? What you really want is for rural states and areas to have no influence. Just come out and say it.

>>138392122

> How fucked up is the electoral college?

Do you know how fucked shit would be without it?

Are you even aware of the scale of bullshit going on in elections right now?

http://www.judicialwatch.org/document-archive/nvra-letter-ca-august-2017/

>For example, we contacted Los Angeles County directly this past June. At that time, county officials informed us that the total number of registered voters now stands at a number that is a whopping 144% of the total number of resident citizens of voting age.

>>138397512
You should move to Wyoming then, so your vote counts more.

>>138393445
>fucked

>>138397715

>>138392122
Based Wyoming

Get fucked commiefornia

>>138392122
>How fucked up is the electoral college?

It's working just fine

>>138397753
Unironically will do this when I have means to survive no job market

>>138392122
If the presidential vote is not weighted through the electoral college, the big states run the country. NY and Cali ARE every election. Everyone else is unrepresented.

The electoral college was the smartest logistical thing the Founders did in the Constitution, and has worked out well.

What you want is 51% of the country deciding the outcome for the other 49%. That's a democracy..... We are not a democracy. Don't try to "fix" a system you don't understand.

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>>138392122

Looks pretty good to me. Urban retards are literally brain damaged. The lack of personal space has caused this, regardless of how you manage to go on living in a disgusting, degenerate manner. The founding fathers were pretty damn smart to design a system to to compensate this. But they also had ample evidence from hsitory. Cities disconnected from a rural heartland always go insane. Man is a political animal, but the polis more than just a city!

>>138395397
You have to remember that a great many people in this country want us to become The United States of New York and California, which is exactly what you'd have if we ever went straight popular vote. At which time, even having a vote would be pointless.
Congratulations, commies! Democracy destroyed! Just what you wanted.

Washington D.C. shouldn't be able to vote.

>>138396450

As they should, you urban retard. You can't be trusted to run a government.

Admit it, you don't even like being an American. You'd trait US citizenship for EU citizenship in a heartbeat, you commie shithead.

The system is going to remain the same, if you don't like it, get out or get purged.

>>138392122
Every state should get one vote
DC should get none

>>138397153
>fucking hypocrites
truer words have never been spoken...

>>138396450
It works out, because urbanite degenerates are trying their darndest to run the country into the ground at breakneck speeds, so the less influence they have, the better.

>>138398318
>>138398393
If DC shouldn't be able to vote, neither should territories.

>>138398346
Hilarious that you have to make an entire post that is nothing but a strawman just to vent your rage at parts of the country you dislike.

.... because when determining the fate of the rancher in Oklahoma, the farmer in Kansas, the fisherman in Florida, or the factory worker in Ohio, we should leave the big political decisions to a bunch of out-of-work actors, illegal aliens, and baristas in Southern California.
Goodness knows they have their finger on the pulse of the heartland.

>>138398529
they cant now

>>138392122
Bullshit...every state gets two electoral votes because of statehood (2 senators) Wyoming only gets 1 vote based on its population.

>>138392122
>>138397512
The point is it's not a democracy you fuck...

>>138392122
I love stupid voters that worry about national elections that have little to no impact in their lives. I go to vote at local elections and it's fucking empty. I'm so happy stupid voters only vote for president. They probably don't even know there are other elections. The ones that actually matter.

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>>138398528
You're fucking retarded my man. This system runs on a state level. Do you think that, for example, all of New York State is just one giant city full of liberals? Thanks to this idiotic system, it might as well be. Most of the state is red on a county level, but it doesn't mean shit in the end since, under this system, the entire state is represented by NYC. The same goes for lots of other "blue states". Texas is on the brink of becoming a blue state because of the liberal influence from its major cities, and, given enough time, the very same could happen to any state. And when it does, have fun knowing that your vote if absolutely fucking worthless.

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>mfw my vote matters more than anyone elses

I love living in Jurassic Park

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>>138398695

You don't even know what "strawman" means, you urban retard. I wasn't misrepresenting your position, I was insulting you and explaining why you aren't qualified to run a country (brain damage, lack of loyalty masquerading as "cosmopolitanism"). I notice you didn't actually explain why you love America, and why anyone should trust your opinion on the direction of America. Because you have none. You don't like being an American one fucking bit, and just want a government that will give you more gibs. Get out, you fucking leech.

>>138399456
>the ground should have voting rights

>>138399456
>that your vote if absolutely fucking worthless.
every vote for the losing side is worthless
whats difference does it make if it is at the state or federal level?

>>138392122
wait, what does this graphic mean?

why are states with smaller numbers drawn bigger? how should I think about the relative areas of the states?

>>138392122
sure, give control to places like commiefornia with millions of illegal spics voting and using tax payer funded healthcare. faggot

>>138399667
we are a union of 50 states not 300 million people

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>>138399488

>jurassic park

nah friendo

>>138392122

It's not about population. It's about making it fair for all states to influence the elections.

>>138399529
Stop posting you drooling retard, you're posting absolute nonsense and embarrassing yourself. I'm not an "urbanite", I don't hate America, and I'm not a Liberal. These are things that your retardation conjured up because you're a dipshit.

>>138399667

Preferably only those owning ground would vote, yes.

They're the only ones with an actual stake in the country.

>>138399719

This might be the most retarded thing I have seen on /pol/ in 2 hours.

>>138400047
>has a confederate flag
>doesnt care about the sovereignty of states

>>138399667
People in different counties within the same state are forced to be represented by a few counties that happen to be the most populated. Like I mentioned in another post, Texas is on its way to becoming a blue state because of its liberals in Austin etc. At that point, you're just pissing your votes away while the most populated centers of the state dictate the entirety of your state's opinion. If the argument is "muh representation", the electoral college puts, at best, a band-aid on a gaping wound.

>>138397512
>so the few people who do live there have a vote that counts for much more than say, a Californian's or Floridian's vote would count for,
Wow...the thought processes of the poorly educated. Scary...

>>138399732
Where is this lol

>>138400131
gerrymandering has nothing to do with the electoral college

>>138400245

kawaii, you can do an ATV tour through where it was filmed

>>138399784
>>138399784

>I'm not an "urbanite"

Yes you fucking are. Post population density or quit larping, faggot.

>I don't hate America

I never said you did, I said you don't care about this country, and you don't. There is nothing you like about being an American. You are not at all invested in America, you just want a government to give you more stuff.


>I'm not a Liberal.

You might as well, but fine, you're a RINO.

>>138395245
>>138395322
So it's almost exactly like the popular vote? No thanks.

>>138396586
Are you serious? You don't think there are distinct cultural attitudes and practices between, say, Texas and Minnesota, or Hawaii and New Jersey? Even the words we use for stuff like soda (pop, coke) or an Interstate highway (freeway, turnpike) are different.

>>138397512
That's why it's based on the electoral college and not the popular vote you idiot

>>138392122
Are you fucking retarded? The states with 3 votes have the least votes able for a state. The ONLY disproportionate votes come from 3 vote states

>>138396450

It doesn't, though, because the fact that one vote in california is worth less than one in Wyoming doesn't mean shit when California has 18 times the electoral clout and thus can potentially decide the election.

Go read The Heart Of Europe and come back when you have a basic understanding of societal Corporatism.

>>138398894
And? I agree with the electoral college system 100%, you fuck.

>>138400558
Europeans are extremely ignorant when it comes to anything to do with America. They get all of their info from (((hollywood))).

>>138397650
>They need to get rid of the backwards electoral college and replace it with a fair democratic popular vote.
Like the campaign wouldn't have been done differently if the goal was different. Candidates would campaign completely differently if they had to win the popular vote. You are drawing a false conclusion-Clinton would have won if the popular vote mattered, but that's the logic of a simpleton and the election most likely would have turned out the same. You mom still would have lost.

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>>138400439

>5,463.5 people per square mile
>tfw intelligent city person

subrural retards btfo

>>138397785
lol

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>>138399456
>This system runs on a state level.

Yeah, no fucking shit. Because we're a collection of states. You seem to have the idea that we're a single state with singular needs and ideals. We use federalism for a reason: because our country is fucking huge. Direct democracy works on a smaller level, but when you've got 300,000,000 people living in completely different environments with different problems and politics. While that problem might exist on some level in - for example - Germany, it's multiplied by a factor of 28 if you go by landmass. We have people that live on the beach, in the mountains, in the forest, on islands, in the tundra, in the desert. People that live so close together there's no getting away from the sound of your neighbors, and so closely you'd have to drive a few hours just to see them. People that have been here since the 1600s, and people that just got their citizenship last year. People from literally every race, religion, creed and color.

And those divisions most commonly happen on a geographic level. Tennessee does not have the same problems as Alaska. California does not have the same problems as Nebraska. But all of those states have their problems and concerns addressed at a federal level, often through the President. If we were just judging it on population, Rhode Island might as well be on their own, while California and New York will be all the President panders to during his election, and will see a lot more attention so he can get re-elected. Our electoral system is by no means perfect, but I haven't got a better method, because popular vote sure isn't it.

>>138400239
?????

>>138392122
The physical electors should be cut out, but other than that it's fine.
The US is a union of states, not a single state. Each member of that union deserves equal representation.

>>138400439
What the fuck would it even accomplish you mouth-drooling retard? I don't have to prove shit to some anonymous faggot on the interbutts, and I could just as easily lie about it. You're not even worth my time one way or the other.

>>138400131

See a liberal can never say something as simple as that, because they hate American freedoms. And I wouldn't necessarily defend everything about American elections, but I won't argue them against fucking liberals. Traitor scum can just get out.

>>138400633
I just explaining it, chill out.

>>138400194
>shills picking flags in a vain attempt to fit in
as per usual

>>138401047

>t. brain-damaged urbanite liberal

This is why we disenfranchise you "people". You guys come in handy sometimes, but goddamn you're too dumb to be allowed to vote. Stay in your urban-cuckshed and we'll get along fine.

>>138400217
>Texas is on its way to be blue
No matter how much you retards repeat this lie, it will never come true.

>>138393445
Alright fine take power away from the empty shithole states. Enjoy starving to death when we withhold produce and meats. You'd be eating each other within a month. I mean quite literally cannibalize.

Is there a map that combines op's map with the likelihood of a state swinging one way or another? Where your vote counts the most and had the highest chance of impacting the final outcome?

>>138401130

Not all liberals hate their country. I'm definitely more apt to question decisions and choices made, but I do so from positive intentions. I want the best for my country, and I will not tolerate disingenuousness. No place in the world I'd rather be.

>>138392122
>states with 3 electoral votes are ruining the election
3 is the minimum for proper representation of their citizens. notice how all of the large states and DC in the image have 3 votes each.

proper representation of states still matters in our increasingly federal country, sorry.

>>138401657

That fantastic and admirable. But I'm not even joking that a huge amount of liberals (probably even most) cannot answer the question in the affirmative. Too trained to hate the US.

>>138401160
*was

>>138402127

I lived in Madison. Went to Malcolm Shabazz High and had a class about "Manwom in a Wom's World", 15 years ago.

You do not need to tell me about indoctrination, I'm a fucking bulwark against that shit now.

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>>138392122
>States like California and Jew York refuse to hand over voting data
>oy vey why don't we count all votes equally!!!

Republicans wouldn't win a popular vote election because even democrats don't believe the one person = one vote rhetoric they are spewing.

>>138396450
I was going to say something cheeky but you've been already handled. I will however walk by and give your corpse a kick as I chuckle at u for a being an ignorant tard about your own country. Fucking kek bro

>>138402667

>>138397715

Honestly, this is one of the largest issues in the country not being talked about. We need to clean this bullshit up.

if the country switches to a popular vote system over the electoral college, wouldn't that make the chance of voter fraud happening a lot higher?

>>138392122
You don't understand the fundamental idea of the Electoral College, and what the founders intended. This is obviously a bait thread, by ShareBlue or some simple minded Antifa type, as an attack on the Electoral Collage, because "Muh Hillary".

The ONLY problem with the Electoral College as it stands right now is the "winner take all" system that too many states have adopted. If a candidate reaches a certain level of votes, they get ALL the EC votes. That's not fair, that wipes out votes. Each candidate should be forced to win each precinct, each vote, one at a time. In that scenario, Hillary would have only won a fraction of the EC votes for CA.

But you wouldn't understand that, because you're a dumb liberal who's attacking the Electoral College, because Hillary and her minions tell you to.

>>138400047
This has to be bait

>>138392122
Wassamadda? Lose an election or something?

>>138392122
I like how that map ignores the part where each state gets by default 2 electoral votes and the res are based on population
Wyoming has a population of 585k and 3 electoral votes, which means that it has 1 electoral vote per 585k people
California has 55 votes and a population of 39 million, that means that it has 1 electoral vote per 730k people.
The difference is almost negligible.

>>138403923
That's the plan, yeah.

The whole is not equal to the sum of it's parts.

California citizen's votes get a little push on a huge boulder of votes that candidates will be vying for.

Wyoming citizens gets a big push on votes that nobody would ever give a shit about.

>>138402667
>RELEASE VOTER INFO
>FUCK THE NSA AND BIG BROTHER

heh

>>138392122
The popular vote does count, but only state by state.

>>138403938
The electoral system doesn't really work the way the founders intended. Also what you suggested is retarded as it empowers gerrymandering and literally makes no sense.

wwwhhhhaaaa why did ten states beat my illegal infested state. and because it took that many to beat I lost ten states in the giant picture. whhhhaaaa

>>138393445
yeah we should all bow down to the whims of 4 impoverished cities full of illegals and nig nogs

>>138392122
> geographically dispersed electoral college
> elections stolen with fraud in NY, LA
Pick one, literal namefag.

>>138392122
Best explanation I heard was that the Electoral College is like the World Series. Instead of seven games you play fifty, and it's about the number of games (states) you win, not the number of runs scored (popular votes).