Alt right and antifa are the same coin with different sides.

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>>138350862
Road war when?

>>138350862
Who pays for the roads in a libertarian paradise?

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>>138350862
Right Wing libertarian just shifts the oppression to coporations

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If you're not radical centrist YOU'RE NOT MA NIGGA

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>>138350862

Yep, libertarians are enlightened.

>>138351006
The corporations making them
How YOU'RE gonna pay for them is another question
Toll booth palooza here we come!

what is the alt right?

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>>138350862
Nigga, I ain't teaming up with """Anarcho""" Communists. It's either AnCap or statism.

>>138350862
>Only libertarians value TRUE FREEDOM

Yeah, but whose freedom? Freedom or (((freedom)))?

Freedom must be monitored and when necessary stopped for the greater whole to keep functioning.

>>138351116

In a free market, corporations serve the people. There's no forced labor. The real boss is the consumer (the people) who can make bad corporations go bankrupt if they boycott it.

There's no corporate welfare to prop up corporations, because a small (or no) government doesn't have such funds.

>>138350862
The "libertarian left" always fall in line to statist communism. The libertarian right turn into the alt-right, when they realize demographics matter, race and gender are very real things with very real consequences, and prevent any of your freedom ideology to happen. Only whites think freedom is awesome in the long run. Else they're overrun by brown people, and their societies will fall into a rapid conversion to strong statism.

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>>138352007
>stopped for the greater whole

>>138352078

I know you're not who I asked the question to, but the question still stands: whose freedom?

>>138351945
> """Anarcho""" Communists get helicopter rides
This

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>>138351937
commies in denial

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>>138350862
>true freedom
Um, I don't want true freedom...

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>>138352046
>Corporations serve the people
This is, by far, the most rediculous part of libertarian arguments. Corporations serve themselves in an effort to earn profits. Sure, they have customers who benefits from their service. But if that coporations' actions harm the environment, influence politics and laws, or destroys competition via monoploized market dominance? If the government is small and can't enforce regulations, nothing stops that coporation from wreaking havoc on communities.

>>138352300
so it's anyone that think Richard Spencer is their saviour? got it

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>>138350862

>>138352188
You know what the freedom of discrimination means? Stopping discrimination is purely statist. Absolute freedom means that people are allowed to discriminate people for their religion, skin colour, ideology etc. Nobody is stopping you from boycotting jews and keeping them out of your community. Gues what, without a government to leech off and hosts that take them in, jews won't have it as easy as they have it today.

>>138351552

>Mccain deserves brain cancer

LEL

>>138351552
>100% freedom of speech is bad
kek

>>138352556

>Stopping discrimination is purely statist.

Yeah, because in current societies, the state holds a monopoly on violence and coercion. That doesn't mean that if a state goes away, the opposition to discrimination goes away. Instead the decision to deal with discrimination or not goes to whichever group holds the most power, which is whoever controls the most resources, which is (((you know who))).

>Absolute freedom means that people are allowed to discriminate people for their religion, skin colour, ideology etc.

Assuming that they actually have the power to choose, which in "absolute freedom" they do. BUt "Absolute freedom" generally ends when one group uses that absolute freedom to gain enough strength to determine what freedoms go away. That is what a state is supposed to be: it exists as a not particularly good entity that prevents worse ones from appearing.

>Gues what, without a government to leech off and hosts that take them in, jews won't have it as easy as they have it today.

Yes they will, it just removes the middle man. Instead of having a Jew/group of Jews using their money and influence to control a governmental entity, they cut out the middleman and do the actions of said entity themselves.

Humans began in "absolute freedom" and things developed this way because there will always be those who use that "absolute freedom" to gain enough power to control things they shouldn't, which inevitably leads to said freedom being destroyed.

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>>138351116
>t. Gamergate generation who doesn't understand basic bitch conservative thinking yet.

Businesses in a free market can't compel me to do anything. I can either work for them in a mutually beneficial, agreed-upon arrangement, or I can elect to purchase their products or services.

And businesses, unlike government, are actually subject to competition, thus, the constant increase in quality, efficiency, and productivity, all courtesy of the profit incentive.

The only time corporations become tyrannical is when they start having the government do favors for them, pick winners and losers, create barriers to entry, and that means the GOVERNMENT is already too big, with far too much authority.

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>>138350862
Degenerate cuck

>>138353621
>Implying libertarians condone unwarranted violence of any kind.

The libertarian society of free association is the LEAST violent society of any kind. When is the last time a big corporation killed tens of millions of people, committed genocide, NEVER. Only the state has the power or ever took on the desire to carry any such thing out.

>>138350862
holy shit is that a rational human being on /pol/? what has the world come to?

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>>138350862
You know the drill dumb fucking normie.

>>138351877
This.

>>138351552
>sodomy

die degenerate die die die

Agreed they need to unite to destroy the liberal menace.

>>138355137
>commie
>calls me degenerate
Makes the nigger nogger

>>138354897
Fuck off dumb fucking normie centrists, you are not politically incorrect.

>>138355276
liking sodomy is pretty solid grounds to be called degenerate on

>>138354598
>hen is the last time a big corporation killed tens of millions of people, committed genocide, NEVER.

Yeah, that's because the state holds enough physical power that it would never be in the best interest of said corporation to massacre people and then be deemed unacceptable by the state and destroyed entirely. But you're looking at it the wrong way.

What is a corporation, really? It's a free association of individuals with a power structure that exists to manipulate economic and social power for their own benefit.What is the communist party of China? It's a free association of individuals with a power structure that exists to manipulate economic and social power for their own benefit. Only pragmatic difference between the two is that the CPC aspired to governmental power and the corporation is incapable of doing so.

>>138351552
>death penalty is bad

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>>138355634
Where does it say that though?

>>138355494
For you

Corporations are capable of effecting governments with bribes and such.

>>138350862
The libertarian alt-right needs to be careful that they understand that a white society is not the goal nut rather the means to the goal which is a free society.

>>138354598
>>138355539
The last time a big corporation killed millions was in Iraq/Afghanistan to fight proxy wars for corporations that directly benefit from government intervention. Halliburton is the obvious example. It's corporatism that kills people because they use the AUTHORITY of the state no matter how unfounded in order to carry out these atrocities right under the nose of the people who are most capable of stopping them.
You will never defeat evil in this world. You can only try and protect yourself and your loved ones from it.

>>138351877
putting nazis on the "far right" is straight up retarded shit leftists do in the hopes people don't realize leftists and nazis believe the same thing. the only difference is who they hate. fuck you for pushing this nonsense.

your mother will die in her sleep tonight if you don't tell these nazi losers to stop claiming their on the right of anything

>>138355767
What better tool to accomplish that with than a government.

>>138352007
the second we drop inalienable rights from the constitution all nazis and morons who hold their flag get killed and eaten first, dumbass

>>138351552
found the pussy

>>138350862

you know anon, /pol/ used to be a very libertarian place. I think you guys should take your board back from the alt left and alt right.

>>138351552
>"Centrist"
>Takes the outer most positions

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>>138356689

The absolute state of you trash these days. plebbit truly has taken over

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I don't really care about leftists as long as they keep their shit to themselves. The problem are lefties in government or lefties enabling government, aka those who want to live on other people's dime.

No problem if you want to live in a commune where all property is shared and you have to work your ass 16 hours a day farming and cleaning goat shit just to not starve while living around other lazy people that won't do their share of work because they're lazy. Communes more often than not are like that, dirt-poor and Shitty lifestyle choice, but I respect it.

In fact a world where both private communities/cities and "collective" communes exist is perfectly compatible. The state is incompatible with both.

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>>138355539
Why are otherwise intelligent people incapable of grasping basic concepts. COERCION, FORCE, that's the difference between the communist fucking party of China and a corporation.

And a business "manipulates" only insofar as it produces products or services, which it markets to people, who can choose whether or not to purchase, whether or not to associate with that business. How is "manipulation" the right word? Businesses only start to actually manipulate when the state becomes involved, and capitalism degenerates into crony capitalism and oligarchy.

And once again, LOL at calling the CPC a "free association of individuals."

>>138356071
Government waged the war, not the corporation. Every criticism of the "big corporations" will always lead to cronyism and complicity on the government's part, not capitalism's or the free market's.

Most people aren't true Libertarians though, and get triggered by blacks/gays

>>138352484
Literally 5/6 listed here is the result of Bill Clinton's (AKA, a Democrat's) deregulation.

>>138357397
Libertarianism has nothing to do with approving of blacks or gays.

Freedom of association is an implied right in private property. Discrimination is a right.

>>138354165
But see, the thing you're not taking into account is that tge majority of people are stupid, so they will inevitably make tge wrong choice. Look at nigger culture, rappers and the cash me ousside girl got rich just for doing talentless stupid shit.

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Feels good man.

>>138356618

Giving the government more power will surely work out well this time.

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>>138357631
The majority of people have always been stupid. How does that have any bearing on whether or not capitalism brings about the wealthiest societies?

Only post-industrial capitalism could we even fathom the notion of the poor having higher obesity rates than the wealthy.

>>138356179
That actually is true, which is why Soros is funding both sides. The nazis espouse communism for them while communists espouse it for all, either way it all means the same for America.

>>138356180
right? a corporation's greed for money and power over me is much preferable to a government's greed for money and power over me

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>>138357347
>And a business "manipulates" only insofar as it produces products or services, which it markets to people, who can choose whether or not to purchase
>Businesses only start to actually manipulate when the state becomes involved

I'm trying really hard to take you seriously, but are you shitposting right now?

The free market is large numbers of individuals and groups of individuals that are manipulating economic forces to benefit themselves. And yes, "Manipulate" is exactly the right word. These are basic concepts.

>LOL at calling the CPC a "free association of individuals."

But it is. Nobody is forcing people to join it, people choose to support it. Is it hierarchical and authoritarian? Yes. But so are corporations. The differences in their structure are very minimal.

>COERCION, FORCE, that's the difference between the communist fucking party of China and a corporation.

That's because the state that the corporation exists under has the monopoly on it. Are you really so stupid as to think that corporations wouldn't use them if they had a choice?

I honestly have no idea what is running around your head at this point.

>>138350981
Libertarians aren't allowed to use, Pinochet.

You know you want strong Fascist man to kill all comies and bring back discipline into the market.

Just admit it, you want the big throbbing Fascist dick to fuck free market enemies.

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>>138351552
Can I be your friend? I maek pay depbts if noz.

>>138358364
>And yes, "Manipulate" is exactly the right word.

If you want to argue semantics, "manipulate" is a word with negative connotation that implies bad faith. There's nothing malicious or surreptitious about businesses competing with each other in a free, open, transparent system without any monopoly like government picking winners and losers, doing favors, rigging the system. If there's something I'm not seeing here, please point it out for me and be specific.

>Nobody is forcing people to join it, people choose to support it. Is it hierarchical and authoritarian? Yes. But so are corporations.

Now who's shitposting? The Chinese government imprisons fucking Falun Gong practitioners, because their religious philosophy is in contradiction with communism.. The CPC isn't a free association of individuals - "free associations of individuals" don't exist in China. They persecute Christianity as well as being Western and subversive to Marxist values.

As for hierachies, yes, both are hierarchical, but in totalitarian governments, you work your way to the top based on fear, backstabbing, surviving purges, while in a corporation, it's based on pure meritocracy and logic. There's nothing authoritarian at all about a business. A CEO can quit, a worker bee at the very lowest rung of the ladder can quit, they can go out of business, they can grow, they can stagnate, but the state is always there without any competition or checks on itself, hence why its hierarchy and standards are completely different.

>Are you really so stupid as to think that corporations wouldn't use them if they had a choice?

Nobody's in favor of giving it to the corporations. Under libertarianism, government would be very small, and no one would have the right to commit unprovoked violence against anyone, or force anyone to do anything.

>>138350862
Surely anarchy is the only true freedom.
If we're gonna starved/ oppressed and attacked we should just blame it on human nature rather than some oppressive regime.

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>>138357488
The fuck?
REAGAN AND BUSH SR WERE THE DEREGULATORS.
What the fuck? You forget "Drill, Baby, Drill!" or "Read my lips: No new taxes!"?

Clinton did some fucked up shit but Reagan literally destroyed our economy worse than any other president in history, and Reaganomics will be a dark stain on economics for eternity as a result. Bush was almost as bad.

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>>138350862
Antifa is libertarian socialist aka anarchist.

>>138352492
Thats where mutualism is.