Is communism really that bad?

>>138335064
Off yourself, literal untermensch

>>138335064
yes

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>>138335064
It's worse than we say

I was hoping for some constructive criticism on the subject

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>tfw under communism in here all sorts of degeneracy were prohibited, gays weren't allowed to show their degeneracy in day light and were beaten by the police for doing it and pushing their agenda. Minorities tend to take a beating as well for doing the shit they do...

Thinking about it .... doesn't sound that bad tho ....

>>138335064

>YES

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>>138335064

>>138335064
yeah

>>138335154
/thu-thu-thu-thu-thread

>>138335064
You should look into the history of communism. Look at the different places that employed and learn why it failed. That should give you a clear understanding why it can never work in reality. Communism does not permit the individual to be productive or motivated. It kills society.

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>>138335064
yes

Is not bad at all.

>>138335064
No. No it's not.

In fact Communism is good.

>>138336900
This dumb cooze is literally describing capitalism though.

Its pretty great when you are the Tyrant in control of it all.

>>138338081
Because your workplace is so democratic.
Is that the rallying call of libertarianism: "Smaller, more local tyrants for all!"

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>>138335064
It's worse.

>>138335064
Not really. Its just that some are more equal than others.

But so goes for EVERY FUCKING SYSTEM. Fuck this left-right, blue-red and other divisions.
Theres only stupid and more stupid people. Which one are you?
Well there's also some good people but they get shit on for being such..

The idea of communism isn't bad, but it's an impossible idea, and when it inevitably goes wrong it's very damaging for a society. Plus proponents of communism always see themselves as being on the top of the pile, being the creatives, the visionaries, while someone else can mine the coal and collect the garbage.

>>138337975
Well no, in Socialist countries you've got high tax and everything is nationalized/given to the state because of le divine right tier logic
In Capitalist countries you've got low tax, if you make money, you keep it

>>138335064
There'll always be a sect of people who want to administrate down instead of doing any real manual work.

These same people want to divide up the resources, and I fucking guarantee you they'll divide up a little more for themselves--because administrating's is very, very taxing work. The poor souls.

And they make decisions which affect the common folk, the people they gate themselves away from--to keep a clear and objective frame of mind. It's certainly not because the labourers smell and are an eye sore, or because you have a little more than them and you know they'd revolt if they knew.

Communism will never work.

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>>138335114
Yup. See country for confirmation.

>>138338757
>Socialism
>tax
fyi you live in a capitalist country too you meatball nigger
Socialism is when a productive enterprise is publicly owned, and what's produced under it is split among those who work within it. It has nothing to do with higher taxes.
Think about how a firm is profitable: the holder of capital has to pay his employees wages lower than the value that their labor produces. This is cold hard math. It's literally "you make it, I take it."

>>138338316
So rampant missmanagement and following starvation, forced labor, persecution of people with different political views and massive scale disownment is fine since lol you both a have a boss anyway. I voluntarily choose to work for my employer.

>>138341095
You're also voluntarily allowed to choose a country. If you don't like dictatorship just move bro whats the problem lol
Now imagine every country were ruled by autocrats.
Well, at least you get to pick which one you serve. That's freedom after all.

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>>138335114
>see flag
>feels
Assianed and Musslized
feels bad man

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>>138335064
Do you think we should get Antifa labeled as terrorists? There is a official white house petition here:
https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/formally-recognize-antifa-terrorist-organization-0
Given that what Antifa is a far-left domestic terrorist group (only considered so in 1 state, for now) that is part of the alt-left and promotes killing cops, destruction of private property, anti-white racism, open borders, islamic terrorism and the implementation of communism thru means of violent revolution, do you think it should be done?

I think this should be more discussed.

>>138341372
You dont get to choose. Communists have a tendency to prevent people from leaving by force. Just look at the norks. Voting with ones feet is important. But you imply that it cannot be taken aways as well. Authoritarian states always had an interest in controlling who comes and leaves. Japs never suffered communism be glad for it.

>>138339130
Taxes are a redistributive meassure taken by the goverment. As long as its mainly used for redistribution of income its an inherently socislist tool. Also taxes imply that somebody other than yourself has a right to your property. Wich is obviously wrong but the foundation of communism.

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>>138335747
if you are willing to give up your personal goals and dreams for collective worth and collective wealth then no, nothing is wrong with it. if you will don't want to be 'pushed, filed, indexed, briefed, debriefed, or numbered." then perhaps it is not for you.
try living on a kibbutz for a while

>>138341372
Also I dont get your example. Socialism leads to autocrats and dictatorship. Not free market captialism. Who are you criticising?

>>138335064
Its worse than most here can even imagine.

Also
>leftyfaggot shitpost
SAGE

>>138335064

Worse than you could ever imagine.

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>>138335747
The problem with that is every communist I've ever talked to is a brain washed retard, so me pointing out death tolls, gulags, and the culture crushing opression of communism doesn't do any good because all of you are convinced that this time you can go against biology, human nature, and God in order to build your """Utopia"""

>>138335064
Why don't you ask any citizen of an eastern European country over the age of 55? They all have such fond memories

>>138339130
>the holder of capital has to pay his employees wages lower than the value that their labor produces
have you ever considered that is just what your labor is worth?
Labor is a product just like anything else. If someone can do it better or cheaper than you, they have a better product.
The absolute entitlement of greedy ass commies is astounding.

>>138335747
Its inherently wrong to take from others what they have earned. Its wrong to prevent people from working toghether for mutual gain. People should be free to make their own choices. None should interfere with the private business of people.

>>138341372
Have you ever heard about the Berlin Wall, and the reason it was built?

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>>138335064
>Is communism really that bad?
read a book and find out you illiterate nigger.

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>>138341372
>If you don't like dictatorship just move bro whats the problem lol

>>138337975
Literally an idiot. Capitalism is you make it, they buy it if it's the right price and better than the competition.

>>138335064
Are north korea's finances really that bad?

>>138343153
>Every single person I know who identifies as a commie is unironically closer to the bourgeoisie
>They genuinely believe that they would be card carrying commies who would live a life of luxury
>They don't understand how completely deluded they are

All you need to do is keep reminding them how rad they are for supporting communism, tell them it's the intelligent choice and they buy immediately into it. They really think they're intellectuals, but all they ever do is parrot each other and what they parrot comes directly from (((them))).
Atheists (which every communist seems to be) did exactly the same thing years ago. They were like the prototype commies. They told you how much of an intellectual free thinker they were, but they only ever quoted Dawkins. They memed on people for reading the Bible and living by it, while they never left the house without the God Delusion. They memed people for praising Jesus, while they held Dawkins up as their own demigod.
You know as well as I do that when (((they))) put any kind of plan in practice it's firstly done on a smaller scale to gauge it. This time the (((atheists))) were that small scale model.

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>Thread full of non-arguments

really activates those almonds

>>138344617
Name a single country wherein a centrally planned economy has ever succeeded, let alone flourished.

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>>138339130
The employee is free to start his own enterprise with his own money, or pool his savings together with some friends to start their own business, then divide the income in any way they agree upon.

What you've just described usually goes like this in reality:
>"Hey Mr. Employer, will you give me 15$/hour for flipping burgers?"
>"Nah, that's too much, how about 10$, but you won't have to risk any of your money or property, and you'll get the money, regardless of traffic, unless we go bankrupt?"
>"Okay."

Trust me, KNOWING that you're guaranteed to get a payment if you do a job is a really good thing. Entrepreneurs don't have that kind of luxury.

>>138344573

Remember atheists are only atheist against christianity, NOT islam, feminism, communism, or any other type of modern day superstition.

>>138337722
as if anyone on 4chan is "productive and motivated"

It's just another shit-tier materialist, egalitarian ideology.

>>138344469

Pretty much, even their military is in financial straights considering they focus on it. The country is indebted to China and would have been to the USSR had it not collapsed. Then there is the whole backdoor dealings with the US and SK that the government has to do in order to not let their people starve.

>>138344987
Russia went from being 95% illiterate peasants to putting the first man in space in less than half a century. Then when they transitioned from a planned economy to american-style free markets it saw the fastest drop in life expectancy since the second world war. Cuba, which is not a rich country, has free healthcare for everyone while americans have to prostate themselves on GoFundMe to treat a toothache. Tell me more about how great the free markets are, when every capitalist country has been slipping further and further into the mire since the 1980s.

>>138336900
That applies under any system with taxes, so basically any system with a functioning government. It's almost as if ancap-tier capitalism can't exist.

>>138342616
>taxes are communism
Nice meme. Funny how the only two states that ever abolished direct taxation while having a functional state were communist.

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>this is the future capitalists want

>>138346092
I'll concede that Tsarist Russia was terribly backwards and Stalin's move to implement rapid industrialization with his five year plans did show results, but at what cost? The countless lives of innocents. Case in point: the entire class of kulaks being liquidized for collectivizing farms which didn't even feed the country sufficiently. You can't claim that communism watches out for the common man when your leaders gun down people for refusing to give up property they own.

>>138346092
B-but the USSR killed 100 billion trillion people and people were starving on the streets in the 1970s and Castro took all the healthcare for himself and killed a billion people turning a happy prosperous country into the most miserable place on Earth!!! Mises.org, David Horowitz, the Black Book of Communism, and Stefan Molyneux said so!!!

>>138346649

>everything in pounds
Looks like socialized healthcare to me. I'm all up for getting rid of it.

>>138346753
I'm not defending Stalin's authoritarianism, just stating that planned economies can clearly work, especially with the massive advances in planning technology since the Societs were using logbooks to apportion rice rations. And while communist governments have (regrettably) actively killed people, capitalist societies kill millions today through inaction, and through a system that requires the impoverishment of vast swathes of the world's population in order to function.

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>>138346649
>this is the future communists want

>>138346092
Then collapsed a quarter century later.

>>138347172

>just stating that planned economies can clearly work
NO, it can't. It costs more money to micromanage every aspect of the economy, this is why it fails. There are some things that the government doesn't need to be involved in at all like consumable goods or luxury goods. And then are times where the government is needed in a limited capacity (usually a single business cycle or 25 years). Then there are projects in which the government is in control but uses private market to maintain like roads and infrastructure projects.

>>138335064
>Ideological genocide

No, thanks, I pass.

>>138335064
No.
It's worse.

>>138347172
While I wouldn't say that capitalism necessarily keeps everyone well fed, I wouldn't either say that it's starving people to death. It's not flawless, but I see nothing but flaws with a communist regime. You may argue that the government in one takes better care of its citizens in the sense that they provide shelter, food, healthcare and education, but the quality of what they provide is miles from what of a capitalist country offers. With no market forces encouraging competition between firms to innovate and develop more efficiently, you're simply left with nothing but shoddy goods. Just look at North Korea. Technically, the government houses you in apartments. But are these apartments properly equipped with functional plumbing and electricity.

Capitalism has neglected to look after every last man, but communism is far from any better.

And on a completely side note, communism's the reason I'll have to enlist in national service, throw away 2 years of my youth and eventually my life if the worst comes to worst and war breaks out with my neighbours up north. I can see why you'd appreciate certain aspects of communism, but I can't at all hold anything but contempt for your ideology for what it's done to people all over the world and what it will eventually do to me and my people. It is simply a blight to civilization.

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>>138335064
No. Toilet paper and food are overrated anyway

>>138335064
>>138335747
>>138342941
>>138344617
>>138345483
>>138347172


You cucks tell me.

At some high schools, students killed their principals in the school courtyard and then cooked and ate the bodies to celebrate a triumph over "counterrevolutionaries," the documents report. Government-run cafeterias are said to have displayed bodies dangling on meat hooks and to have served human flesh to employees.

>The documents suggest that at least 137 people, and probably hundreds more, were eaten in Guangxi Province in southern China in the late 1960's. In most cases, many people ate the flesh of one corpse, so the number of cannibals may have numbered in the thousands

http://archive.is/N70T9#selection-505.1-505.263

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>>138347963
THIS

>>138335064
the fire rises, comrades.

>>138335064
lol communism is complete shit

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mcf9CLMQuRQ

>>138341372
THE BERLIN WALL YOU GODDAMN RETARDED FUCKING RETARD

>>138335064
>be a prisoner in your own country
>everyone is poor(besides politicians of course)
>no rights
>no property
>no trust(snitches everywhere)
>corruption
>nepotism
etc etc

Communism is LITERALLY the worst ideology.
inb4 not "real communism"

>>138347172
But thats the thing they clearly cannot work. Shits way to complex. All evidence speaks against planned economy working. Just look at history. Just look at venezuela and north korea right now.

>>138348033
I think you included me by accident there lol. But jesus those people are fucked.

>>138335064
Yes. And can only be cured with 9mm aspirin applied to back of head.

I heard about experimental helicpoter ride trails that had promissing results, but we would need to push that project.

Wanna take a ride tovarich ?

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unironically communism is more successful than natsoc will ever be.

>>138335064
Is water wet?

sage

>>138348918
I hate facism but it sounds like paradise compared to communism.

>>138335064

Communism has failed in white ethnostates that were paragons of civilization compared to the degenerate, lazy, multicultural, and poorly educated countries of today.

A real communist society would be an extremely complex undertaking that requires your civilization be otherwise on fucking point. Even then it eats itself. You can't run something like that with the amount of entitled idiots we have today. It would be a huge fucking fail because most of the people who want it are huge fucking failures to begin with.

Communism with all white people is already doomed to failure. Communism with 30%+ brown sub-humanity is how you create famines that would make even the Chinese gulp.

Ask the hundreds of millions that died in Russia and China because of it

>>138349597
I'd like to believe that open dialogue is possible no matter where you are, as long as you're not being absolutely obnoxious.

But on a side note: please do off yourself, commie.

>>138349636
Unironically 1950s communists are not the same as these 2010s larpers. They make me ashamed of my heritage more than our whores

>>138350031

Problem with communism is that it is like every other world dominating religion. It is filled with too much ideology and is not realistic in its approach. There can never be a global communist uprising due to the fact the rest of the world is at different stages of development. Not every country is capitalist, a lot are in fact still agrarian or are in state control. Then there is the notion that all races and religions will get along, this is unbelievably naive. There are way too many people to control and there are way too many ideologies to erase.

Communism also fails on the notion that it can micromanage every aspect of life but it in fact cannot because that task is too much. Communism also goes against nature and this is by far the worst thing of all. People will be poor and die and others will be rich and live, this is fact.

>>138335064
Seriously this kind of question? Just few examples below what kind of madness communism brings.

Russia:
- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Purge
Ukraine:
- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor
China:
- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Leap_Forward
North Korea:
- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights_in_North_Korea
- Venezuela:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corruption_in_Venezuela

>>138335064
Does a bear shit in the woods

Name one positive contribution to society that Communism has achieved.

>>138350991

That communism should never be used.

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>>138335064

>Is communism really that bad?

Yes

>>138350031
And even if we have an amazing civilization with brilliant people everywhere, where communism *might* work (i.e. not end up in mass starvation), not taking away their rights to property and production would make their economy thrive.

Sometimes. Its depends on whether its in the woods when it need to shit.

>>138336338
That isn't under communism, that's under any control tyrannical government.

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>>138350991
Well, at least it got a lot of commies lynched and killed in uprisings.

Pic is from the 1956 revolution in Hungary.

>>138351726
Did you just answer your own question?
What's the point of this thread?

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>>138335064
Only when it abandons materialism like western cultural marxists, or when it refuses to give up the labor theory of value as a pricing mechanism.

>>138351895
If pic related is what you pride yourself in, quit bitching about the hundreds of killed Hungarian anti-commie non-humans.

As if every one of those lynched by your rabid mobs was a communist. Think back to Zemir Begic next time you post that picture somewhere

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>>138335064
yes, yes it was

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>>138335064
Yes