>Iraq to buy up to 1000 T-90 tanks from Russia

>>138320390
Iraq army is full of Arabs, bro. Their skills will make a steel coffin out of anything.

If they're MS variants then they're already superior to the monkey model M1A1s they currently have, I can't see them being able to acquire that many though.

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It doesn't say what specific version they are.
But the ones in Syria have taken a TOW hit front on and been fine.

A great tank but still no Challenger/Leopard

They are cheap and not a single one was destroyed in combat. Along with Abrams it's the most proven MBT today.

T-90 is no longer Russia's MBT of choice but it's breddy gud for what it does desu, has a good track record vs atgms compared to the M1

>>138320390

The T72 isnt necessarily a steel coffin. Depends how it's used, like any tank.

>>138320612
That pic gave me a ptsd.

>>138320390
You should ask how good is everything else compared to T-90
See, tank which needs team of formula one mechanics to keep it functional is useless.

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>>138320390
>t-90 pocket tanks

small enough to be crushed by one tread of my machine, good

It's a really solid MBT and is very proven in urban combat. Also has a proven survival rate against TOW. I imagine they're a lot cheaper than the Abrams and much easier to maintain/have a lower failure rate.

Considering the Ruskies are rolling out their T14 Amata, and the strategic importance of Iraq as an ally and Russia's need for allies (and money after America sanctions) you can bet your ass that they will be giving them pretty top quality T-90s, unlike the M1s they got from the USA.

Depends what version the Russians give them.

>>138320390
The russian army tanks are more advanced. They have different weapon and armor systems.

I wouldnt think Iraq could afford 1000 second line tanks like T-72s, let alone 1000 first line tanks as a T-90

>>138321096
all that US gibs and oil money

>>138320504
kek this

why the fuck is Iraq buying tanks from Russia

USA and Israel must be pissed. This further suggests some kind of Russia/Iran/Iraq influence. This will stir shit up, believe me. Not good

So what is Iraq preparing for? Eventual skirmishes with Kuwait or Saudis?

>>138320390
Should buy Chinese.

>>138321239

The Shia Crescent. This what Trump and his Neo-Con and Zionist administration are fighting against along with Isisi-Ra-El.

>>138321236
The president is a fucking kurd, you dumb fuck. He's going to fight isis.

>>138321096
T-90MS is 4.5 million $. It would be around 5 billion dollars. Their defense budget is 6 billion. Perhaps they can afford it but it won't be smooth and easy.

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>>138321236
>Not good
Where do you think you are?

>>138321239

Definitely the Shias. That shit is far from over.

>>138321364
*Obviously earlier T-90 versions are a lot cheaper. Perhaps they will buy those.

>>138320504
This desu

The arabs haven't been able to win any wars in the past thousabd years or so

>>138321314
why do they hate shias so much when Iran is literally the only country in the middle east who hasn't attacked their neighbours?
The sunnis are objectively terrorist

>>138321096
Because russia will give them for free as usual in exchange for some shitty contracts which will end with nothing in return

>>138321364
Doesn't mean they will have to pay in cash or upfront at all. They are probably giving the Russians some good deals and concessions for trade/resource extraction/long term infrastructure building/intelligence etc.

>>138321239
war with kurds and continue the fight against isis in syria

>>138321586
Exactly. But you have to consider running costs. You can't just buy tanks, you need tankers and logistics obviously, and those cost a lot.

>>138320390
It would depend on which version of the T-90, regardless though the T-90 is light years ahead of the T-72 and is a pretty good tank.

>>138321547

Because the Saudis are actually crypto-Jews, which isn't even some particular secret and they are just continuing the Bitter Lake accord.

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>>138321415
VDV, STOYKA PABYET

>>138321007
I have best boner right now, thank you based anon

The problem Irak faces is not its equipment but those she's equipping.

>>138320390
They're pretty good price/quality wise
good option for iraq

>>138321714
Especially compared to T-72M's which were exported to Arabs in past. Along with 1970's munitions that couldn't even scratch newest Western tanks.

M1 Abrams shits on anything Russia makes or will ever make

>>138320390
T-90s can withstand bunker busters. Russia could invade Europe with the sheer numbers of that tank they have. It is the only reason any serious military has any fear towards Russia (since nukes are for crazies, not for profitable warfare).
I don't know the different models of that tank, or how desert ready they are. I am glad Iran only gets 1000. Interesting news. Maybe Assad gets a few?

>>138321676
That's where the crew/officer training programs and maintenance deals come in for even more long term cooperation and value. It's a good thing IMO, proabably how proper alliances and connections are made.

How good do they need to be? I mean it's not like they're fighting Americans or any other high tech nation. Not even Iran, as present day Shia lead Irak is a puppet if Iran anyway. So the tanks will just have to withstand sniper fire from guys like ISIS.

>>138321973
>Maybe Assad gets a few?
Already got them since 2015

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>>138320504
This pretty much

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>>138321259
>chinese

Not even arabs are so stupid.

>>138321951
Latest M1's and latest T-90's are pretty much equivalents. Small differences in quality and design don't matter that much in the grand scale of things.
Desert Storm had the unfortunate effect of a bunch of illiterates making judgements without taking into account the complete picture.
T-90 is a lot cheaper, so I guess it's a better tank. It's also quite less demanding logistically.

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>>138321999
>How good do they need to be?

Syria has shown that an APS is an absolute must.

>>138321032
>It's a really solid MBT and is very proven in urban combat. Also has a proven survival rate against TOW. I imagine they're a lot cheaper than the Abrams and much easier to maintain/have a lower failure rate
the bong knows what's up

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>>138321783
enjoy
i just noticed what looks like a tiny poland flag in that painting
now you must actually build these poland
they will be very nice
but you must hurry, the shows about to begin

>>138322235
Chinese steel is awful.

>>138322235
Too be fair those tank biathlon games are retarded. If you think that's bad, the Russian tanks literally tear themselves apart in them.

>>138321236
US & kikes lost the war in Iraq. They were able to topple Saddam but they lost the post-Saddam Iraq to the Iran & Russia.

>>138322510
Good think the frontal areas are made of composite like every modern MBT.

Also if they really got 1000 of T-90MS that's absolutely fucking ridiculous...that tank is 3+++ generation and will roflstomp anything most of the surrounding arab countries have. Better reactive armor, more secure ammo storage, MORE ammo, faster turret rotation and tank speed, upgraded thermal imaging, the works...would love to see them in action.

>>138321032
>Depends what version the Russians give them.

T-90S and T-90SK, most likely.

>>138322607
Torsion bars aren't.

>>138321951
>M1 Abrams shits on anything Russia makes or will ever make

M1 Abrams is missile bait

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Landwarfare overrated, all you need is a strong navy and airforce, all land locked countries are unrelevant, all continetal trade goes over the ocean.
Just isolate yourself from the rest of the world with your navy, like america does for nearly a century, no one country can invade the USA due to its navy

I remember when Saddam also bought a load of shit tanks from drunk russkies that US later BTFO every single one of them.

>>138322989
/thread
What was the last war won without air superiority?

>>138322773
See my post above, no tank is meant to drive over terrain on that at such high speeds. Don't get me wrong, it's just the nature of things that chink tanks are objectively worse, but no MBT would have fared much better.

>>138322989
>no one country can invade the USA due to its navy
Mexico is lmao. In the process of annexing the entire South-West.

>>138321032
>Monkey model shit

lul

>>138323074
Those were REALLY shitty T-72s, even the best non-export versions were subpar at the time.

Also, Arab military personnel are infamously poor due to either training or simply being shitskins.

>>138320612
that picture says feed me chechens

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SLAVA ROSSII
PINDOSY SOSAT"

>>138323150
WW1 I guess, planes existed but they didnt really matter like that did 30 years later, since WW2 air superiority has been key, along with naval superiority, since planes have a hardtime against Naval fleets and capitalships, but Artillery, Cavalry and infantry all cant do anything against Airpower

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>>138323391

>>138320390

i know the united states is paying for this somehow

>>138323190
cumstain, economicaly mexico is part of the USA, dont forget ye olde Pax Americana

T-90 Is shit, Russian weapons overall are shit.

>>138320390
Roughly comparable to M1 Abrams.

but most likely this>>138320504

>>138321564
So we're working from the same playbook.

>>138321864
huh, new serbian flag?

>>138320390
all tanks are coffins. anti tank rockets are cheap and reliably destroy tanks.

even reactive armor is a joke because it can be clearer with a gun or grenade. there is no pressure detection its just c4 in between 2 steel plates which detonates on impact. c4 does blow up if hit hard. if you dont believe me check that vid of that tard smacking it with a hammer and blowing his thumb off or military channel overview of reactive armor for tanks. no electronic detonator in the diagram just c4 and 2 steel plates

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>>138320612
What? Leopard s been a total disaster for turks, an absolute garbage of tanks.

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>>138324196
>turks

yeah, they ruin everything

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>>138320504
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cZk4Yu42g0I

>>138324196
First of all, those are A4 variants (I think the leo 2 is up to 2A6 now), and second, those are crewed by Turks.

>>138324366
Well syrians were not able to ruin t90 that bad. So far we know only about two t90 being lost in syriat. And they were not even destroyed, just captured.

>>138324127
https://youtu.be/bqgK4u1VhR0
Explain this

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>>138320504
Lmao

>>138324582
Yeah, they've done pretty well given that the Americans (and presumably the yids too) have been furnishing the terrorists with a decent supply of ATGMs.

>>138324582
that whats nice about russian weapons, every mongoloid can use it, if you give delicate western weapons to these simpletons they break down, like like in WW2 with IS-1's and Tigers an IS wouldnt breakdown while a tiger broke down if you shifted wrongly

>>138324802
I think you mean IS-2, IS tanks with 85mm were pointless and extremely shortlived.

Also, IS-2 tanks had there own problems and I would be shocked if they were not mechanically unreliable at times. The IS-3 used to just fall apart ffs.

>>138320390
T-90 is upgraded T-72
>Originally called the T-72BU
Its updadet capable platform same as our T-91s. But its still T-72 under the hood.

Now it all boil down how they will be kited out, which upgrades and who will modernize them.

Look at this
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PT-91_Twardy
you can make good old T-72 quite capable with proper kit.

Doesn't matter how good their hardware is

>Why arabs lose wars
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cZk4Yu42g0I

>>138323150
Vienam war?

>>138322642
There will never be any action, Arabs just get rid of their uniforms and run away naked in sandals when they are faced with an enemy.
These tanks are only there to be able to say: Look how stronk I am.
With Iranians it's a different story though, they are tough and cruel motherfuckers.

>>138323725
Good for you, because likely you will face these 1000 tanks once the Iranians start using them.

>>138321236
Russian kit has the advantage of being fairly reliable even with basically no maintenance/maintenance carried out by people without equipment specific manuals and training, both of which tend to be problems in arab militaries beyond the elite units.

>>138320612
Leopard is overrated

>>138321007
keeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeek

The reason to go with T90 over Abrams is that the Abrams has a bad track record for getting hit in the rear turret and having its payload blow up. T90 has a much more secure payload.
Ironic because Americans used to constantly brag about how safe the Abrams is since it doesn't store munitions in the body and has blast doors to direct the explosion if it happens. And yet we still see it blow its top just like a T72 when ISIS posts its latest Abrams hunting video.

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>>138327805
It blows its top because that's the direction it's supposed to go.

Also, any tank taking a rear hit from a modern ATGM is fucked desu

>>138321547
By exporting the revolution and using proxies to install puppet states.

>>138321007
lol what a nice big target; the kind of even a puny shitskin couldn't miss. Concept "artists" are really some of the most dimwitted ill-informed sods out there

>>138327551
All the NATO tanks based on the L55 and L44 guns have similar performance. However the L55 2A6s and Challangers beat the L44 M1A2s, Leclercs and 2A5s. Also the Leopard is the esiest tank to drive.

>>138320390
The tanks are good and better value for money than an abrahms

>>138320572
You can get 500 m1a1s for the price of 1000 t90s. And the maintenance cost of t90s is lower.

Iraq is heavily suited to tank warfare. They made the right choice.

>>138328134
That's the direction it's supposed to go WITHOUT killing the crew and destroying the entire tank though. That's the part the monkey model Abrams is failing at right now.

>>138328283
The Abrams has similar or better performance to the L55 leos by virtue of the fact that they use depleted uranium for rounds instead of tungsten that most nations use.

WELL those t90 will be used against insurgency and "democratic" forces backed by JEWSA so they'll do their job just fine. Wish Iraq would make their own shit tho.

>>138328455
True, the iraq models are pretty shit. They don't even have the DU armour inserts most Abrams have nowadays.

>>138328283
The abrahms biggest selling point to the US is its higher speed and the smooth bore barrel. They are designed as anti armour weapons first.

>>138328582
I wish we would make our own shit.

>>138328739
but you do. its pretty good except that shitty heli you use.

>>138320390
T-90 are literally T-72s with different electronics. Same engine, same gun. But I think they will buy not outdated T-90s, but T-90AMs.
AMs have new autoloader, new weapon systems and, if you have enough money for that modification - active armor "Arena-E" which can destroy any ATGM before detonation. Also AMs have slightly modificated engine and it's not affraid of dust, sand and heat.

>>138328255
The dome on a pole on top of the turret emits force field around it which prematurely activates explosives.
You need kinetic penetrators for its thick armor meaning you need a tank of the same size.

>>138328795
The heli is german.
And I meant designed and make. Not just license to make.

>>138321951

Kek Russia had better tanks when taking Berlin

>>138328797
No Russian equipment is afraid of dust sand heat debris etc etc.
Americans clean their airfields to protect their facile jet engines, Russians designed jets are far superior in this regard.

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>>138324497
This. The arabs always lose because of the selfish shit they do.

>>138328885
kek so much for german engineering.

>>138321755
Est parashuta beli buket

>>138320390
Compared to western tanks, they are steel coffins, but theyre cheap, reliable and suited for fighting towelheads with no modern tanks of their own

>>138321314
Ruski bro knows his shit.

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>>138320504
>Their skills will make a steel coffin out of anything.
I had a Russian co-driver/navigator for a while. One of the funniest cunts I knew.

>driving
>igor is laughing at isis recent threat to attack russia
>at winter
>"just imagine it, anon. imagine the conversation. quick, ahmed. we must make it to the infidel stronghold of moscow and teach those blasphemers".
>"right behind you, jamal. allahu achoo".

I miss that cunt...

>>138329038
>facile jet engines
To be fair, that's only because one of their engine makers (Pratt & Witney) doesn't really know what it's doing, and cuts corners on basically everything (especially quality control).

Unfortunately, that particular company buys enough politicians in congress that they got handed the contracts for both the F-22 and F-35 jets. Oh welp.

>>138329098
I assume your referring to the eurocopter tiger. It serves its purpose. Personally I'd rather a Russian heli.

>>138321676
This is where Russian deal will always be cheaper than other deal.
The cost/quality ratio is the best and can fullfill the mission.
Western products are too expensive or too hard to maintain.
China's products don't meet standards/can't do the job.

The war in Syria/Iraq must have been a great media campaign for the arms industry in Russia.
Seems like quit a lot of countries are starting to buy more of their tech.

Can some Russki maybe give some more insight on that matter ?

>>138321973
You are 40 years top late. Cold wsr was the actual WW III.

>>138329446

PRATT

nuff said

>>138320390
Tank is battle proven and can survive a tow that hits it on the front.
If you put enough gadgets, its even better.
On high number of purchased you get a discount.
Its easy to maintain, since it has the chassis of the 72, i think.
Arabs will get what they wanted for a fair price, a good product. How they use it is their problem, not the tanks

>>138320390
They are decent tanks. They suffer from the standard old-style Russian unprotected ammo exploding crew compartment since operators are not a concern as per their government which kinda sucks. When it comes to conflict, Russian troops are treated like fucking shit. I mean, re-branded fucking dog food and maggot-filled stew?

>>138320390
>next gen iraq terrorist tanks.

>>138330088
Doubtful. With a large tank force it should be relatively easy for the govt to maintain control. Iraq is perfect for tank warfare.

>>138330038
not really, there was a video of one or 2 of them being hit and while there were flames, the crew ran out of them, scared but not injured or dead.

>>138330038
It's the abrahms which blow up when hit in the arse.

>>138330194
the ammo compartment did not get hit then. if the ammo compartment gets hit, the fucking top of the tank flies off with human chunks.

>>138330254
Thats the t64 and 55, some 72s as well.

>>138329618
the only thing the USSR could do properly is make tanks, so when Yeltsin just fucking gave up in '89 the only heavy industry left to spin up was oil and heavy arms. They picked up a bunch of SE Asian contracts in the 90's and that turned into their own slice of sunny 90's optimism.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZyhrYis509A

>>138330235
>old 2008+ tank shitposting
>monkey models
>muh pic of 2 abrams destroyed as complete proof
>circljerking shitflinging goodtimes

>>138330315
that is true. there really isnt much combat footage available to the public on the T-90, only some here and there from snackbars. did they separate the ammo compartment, or reinforce it with the t90

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>>138321236
>This will stir shit up, believe me. Not good

>>138322306

What does APS mean?

>>138330554
maybe this is a better pop metaphor.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E1fzJ_AYajA

>>138330726
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Active_protection_system
Active Protection System.
Look at the gif, the tank's APS sees the projectile, launches a shell and times it to explode within range of the other projectile, exploding the warhead or making it 100% less dangerous.

>>138330945

Thank you.

Yes, I saw how it worked.

I remember somebody making an all electric version of this, did they ever get it working well?

>buying glorified T-55

So, is the Iraqi army just going to give these away to the next ISIS-type threat?

I'm sure the average Iraqi soldier is feeling pretty badass now that ISIS is on the defensive but let's not forget how they folded like a wet blanket at the start when fighting was difficult.

>>138330254
That shit is old meme. Both Abrams and T72/T90 will be completely destroyed with their crew if the Ammo is cooked off and said ammo is pretty easy to cook off in both tanks. Look up "Abrams hunting" and see for yourself how ISIS turns them into fireworks much like the old footage of 72s becoming the same.

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>>138321096
Should've taken the oil, anon.

>>138331465
you are a fucking retarded russian parading under a meme flag.

>>138331187

kek Estonia, you don't even have a single MBT

>>138331758
Because MBT in a forested swamp is a shit idea

>>138322989
We're not talking about Iraq invading the US though, but in the context of other relative regional powers.

>>138331659
Are you sure about that? I guess you just don't want anyone to bully your precious tonkfu
Still gotta face observable reality anon.

>>138332459
such shallow pride you actually outed yourself
GJ dipshit. go OD on heroin already leftist faggot

>>138331929
found the swamp thing

welcome to the internet, O Mildewed One

>>138331465
This. Abrams have no HE or HEAT ammo, only KEPs. Compared to M1A2s theres ~120kg of propellant in Abrams and in T-72 ~180-200kg of propellant and ~800-900kg of explosive shells.

But Abrams was created as heavy anti-tank vehicle and basically have only machinegun as anti-infantry weapon, while russian MBTs are light and fast multirole tanks made for dynamic battles and can be used as super-heavy AFV.

>>138330038
I dunno about in combat but russian irps are tasty af senpai.

>>138321973
>(since nukes are for crazies, not for profitable warfare)
There's enough nuclear shells and small rockets with some kilotons blast.

1000 tanks is a lot of tanks, my country only has 59 tanks. Why do they need so many? Are they invading China?

>>138332703
>state proven objective fact that both tanks can easily be killed by detonating their munitions
>get called a leftist for not worshiping the military industrial complex
Settle down, Chrysler employee. I'm sure daddy Trump will give you plenty of welfare to ship more steel coffins once ISIS pops all the current ones :^)

>>138320390
I still remember how the iraqi army gave up when they saw ISIS rushing against´em at the begining of the conflict.
They gave up half the nation and their pride.
So congratz to whoever ends up capturing those T90.

>>138328803

Doubt it. Seeing that a strong independent woman in a renault twingo could get close to that thing you simply have to use old school explosives and zerg rush it with 5-10 people and disable relevant parts...

>>138334181
Iraq is suited for tank warfare

>>138334181
Your country is a fucking island.

>>138320504
FPBP

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>>138334181
>Possibly hostile neighbors on all sides.
>Separatism and extremist organizations within the country
>Lost strategic autonomy since 2003 -> obvious priority to restore it with rejuvenated military
>In recent conflicts tanks have fared surprisingly well when the users had more than three brain cells, especially these new(ish) Russian ones in Syria

Quite a lot of reasons really

>>138329091
They can be the braves of many europeans, they simply have a more complex motivation associated with collective consciousness, if they have adequate leaders and clear goals, then they are capable of much, in Syria for example, we have reassembled an efficient army that defeats ISIS.

>>138334181
What you need 59 tanks for? Afraid of war with koalas?

>>138336671
Don't forget that ISIS was (and still quite a lot is) effective force too. There's also Yemen's Houthis. With right people from the right tribes, with right motivation and some education Arabs can fight wars quite well.

>>138334181

We're upping our MBT amount to 90 in 2025 apparently

>>138321007
lmao only 4 small points of contract with ground

Russian armor stronk.

>>138337399
>Arabs who can't fight fighting other arabs who can't fight

and it's all the jews and americans fault

>>138337577
why bother with tanks no cunt wants to fight Oz bogans

>>138321973
>bunker busters

A broad term, but if you mean Blu-109's dropped from an aircraft then no

>>138324196
>lets parks this tank with heavy frontal armor and lacking the side armor kits you are suppossed to equip for these kind of battle, a few hundred meters away from the frontline on a hilltop facing to the side and begging to be hit by a tow

Turks are the disaster.

>>138322235
>poo in the loo opinions

It was hillarious how the entire Indian subcontinent lost its shit watching this scene and flooded YouTube shitting on the tank, obviousy pulling it out of the context that damages regularly happen in these parkours, only to watch the Indian tank crew destroy ALL its own Russian tanks ( Poos cant even build a half assed tank themself) including the reserve into immobility on the next day and the Chinese tank making it to 2nd place after Russia with 3rd - 13th place all being Russian tanks and ended up as the biggest loser of the competition.

But no the deluded Poo knows no shame and instead celebrated his decisive victory over China anyways, because they are going to import the winner tank, got a few seconds advance over China on the first day while trashing their motors and comfort themself watching this video on repeat for hours on national TV.

Tanks are obsolete.Its remains effective only against civilians without anti-tank weaponry,like in case of a revolution,but even then,a molotov can go a long way.

well their tanks. won't stand up to a modern army. but they are still tanks.

>>138342208
they can probably run over everybody but us,europe,russia,china, and india.

>>138323725

Enjoy a thousand more cannons aiming at your asshole

>>138323725
>Merkava
>literally 70-ton AFV without adequate engine which dies every 200km
>can collapse any bridge
>front-lower armor is fucking 100mm of steel
>half of systems are foreign and without foreign aid during war tank is useless


>Russian weapons overall are shit

Kikes, everyone.

>>138334181
40°11'37.96"N 120° 8'3.50"W
those are the tanks we have sitting in the sierra nevada army depot

>>138320612
kek, brits don't even make challengers anymore. They're outsourcing their tanks now with a German gun and a sweden chasis