Hegel got the ball rolling, Marx sculpted it into perfection.

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>>138282169
Kys faggot

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>>138282683
Kek

This chart is actually true, we're just not anywhere near the level of abundance required for the last two stages. Capitalism will naturally provide that abundance.

But you should still kys for being an unironic communist.

>>138282169
>unnironically commieposting

uhh, 9gag is over there son

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>>138282169
>Doesn't know that the Soviet Union collapsed already
>Doesn't know that China is capitalist
>Doesn't know about Venezuela being a shithole
>Doesn't know that Eastern Europe threw off their commie governments the second the USSR collapsed

Is this supposed to be a tens steps backward no steps forward sort of "perfect" movement, commie?
>Doesn't know about Cuba being a shithole

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>>138285351
Why did it change the formatting like that?
4chan, fix your shit.

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>>138282169
You forgot the part where everybody starves to death.

>>138285351

Flawed attempts, there need to be specific conditions.

>>138285776
>""""Specific conditions""""

Oh this is gonna be good. Tell me about these """"""""""specific conditions""""""""". Please, I need a good laugh about now.

Do the student communist retards not realise that they literally are the 1% they rage about? Like if you have an iPhone and go to uni you're like the 0.01% globally.

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>>138286089
And that's terrible. Think of the poor black Africans! Or the poor refugees from Syria! Don't you have a heart Anon!?

>>138286329
So why aren't they selling their 2000 macbooks and giving up vegan frappucinos and donating the money they save to amnesty intl et al?

>>138286089
It's always been that way. The original Bolshevik party was entirely composed of upper middle class kids. Lenin was a lawyer, Trotsky was a well-educated politician, Stalin was a priest. It's funny, it's always the yuppie, rich kids that talk about how the workers their fathers employ are being oppressed.

>>138286721
Because they don't actually care about the poor. They care about looking like they are helping the poor.

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>>138286721
Because communists are hypocrites and thieves.
>>138286992
That's a good point. Virtue signaling helps make them feel good and block out thoughts about others who are suffering. I mean, if they're "helping" them they'll surely end up in a better position.

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>>138282169

But who will build the foods?

>>138282169
Retarded and. Just try to model your society on pen and paper you will quickly realize

>>138286815
So what? well-off people usually have better education and time for intellectual activities

Even if the alt-left wins and turns usa communist it wouldn't even last 70 years thanks to $20 trillion in debt. It might last 7 full years if lucky.

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>>138287936
A good argument for keeping the debt.

>>138287840
Yet all they do is play sophistry games or chimp out

Tell me, please, how would this economy function? Don't just say that civilians own the means of production, tell me how this is supposed to work please. Will there be salaries? Will people be paid for their work? Will everything be free? If so, how does one prevent over-indulgence? There is supposed to be an elimination of "class", but what about the "ruling class" (political leaders/military/police personnel)? Etc.

People who engage within Capitalism either make it or break it, succeed or fail. This allows humanity to guide itself in the way we see fit (IMO), what's so wrong with this in your opinion? I'm genuinely interested and would love a reply.

>lead to it
Of course the world is leading to communism. Everything ends up dead eventually.

>>138282169
Nick Land is the future of communism and tribal humans were communist af. Your ideology is actually primitive-ape tier, you dumb teenage faggot

>>138282169
Venezuela says hi, oh wait... forgot it's still not "true" Communism.

>>138289632

Well, I figured this question would've been a leftists wet dream, but I guess not. Is there really not a single Communist out there that will answer these simple questions for an inquiring Conservative?

>>138289632
Socialism is about giving everyone the essential material products and services for living
You get salary only for luxury goods, and you are rewarded for hard working
Capitalism is bad because it accumulates wealth in hands of very few people and stimulates greed and exploitation, it works, yes, but at expense of great societal and environmental destruction

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>>138282169
sieze her by the means of reproduction

>>138286027

Well for one there needs to be a method by which human beings can reliably control their emotional impulses, technology will provide this.

Another is a consistent source of renewable energy, again a feat of technology.

We need a reasonable bill of human rights, pragmatic and enforceable by automated systems....

I could go on forever I suppose.

Basically we need to live in the future, but this is also inevitable.

Unless you're going to make an argument for a massive collapse of all society or mass destruction, but if you believed that was the only potential outcome I don't see why it would matter to you what someone else thinks, especially over the internet.

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>>138282169
Lets get antifa labeled as terrorists, official white house petition here:
https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/formally-recognize-antifa-terrorist-organization-0

For those who don't know what antifa is, it is a far-left domestic terrorist group (only considered so in 1 state, for now) that is part of the alt-left and promotes killing cops, destruction of private property, anti-white racism, open borders, islamic terrorism and the implementation of communism thru means of violent revolution.

Read more here: https://farleftwatch.com/2017/07/26/far-left-militia-training-for-guerrilla-warfare/

Please share to all burgers! Share it everywhere!

>>138282169

Fully automated communism

'nuff said

>>138291666
nice trips

guys I have a question. Is the Star Trek universe communism in the future? Or what kind of system do they have?

>>138292513

Fuckin hooligans.

When will these fake anti-fa crowds become proper anarchists and reconvert property rather than destroy it. baka

>>138293366

I put baka but ok lol. Fucking computer oppression by the tech overlords

>>138293524
Your penis is fucking deformed dude

>when your political philosophy relies on an unprovable 'path' of history

>>138282169
I lived under communism in the soviet union itself. Everything you believe in is a lie.

My family were forcibly relocated from our woodland home to a commie block and both my parents and all my older siblings were forced to work in a factory. They received a meager wage working for the state and sometimes there wasn't enough to go around. People were shot for foraging in the forest by the guards. Me and my younger brother had to hustle and smuggle goods to survive. We had to cross three borders in the country itself, to buy goods from a smuggler and sell them to the only people that had money, the party officials just so we could get enough to eat. Sometimes they'ed rob us, we got beat up as well. I had to bribe the guards with sweet western candy and cigarettes or alcohol. Profiteering was highly illegal and we got ratted out twice, the first time they found nothing because I had spent the money buying food for the winter. The second time they found United States dollars on us, we were brutally beaten for having illegal currency. I was barely old enough to drive then. US dollars were king. Everyone who could would trade in USD. For a single dollar I could exchange it on the black market for way above the set value and get enough food for the entire block sometimes.

I've gone through hell in the soviet system and I dont want anyone including you to experience what I did.

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>>138293524
THATS A FUCKED UP COCK

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>>138282169

"I say it is inevitable, therefore it is so" ~ Karl Marx

Tell me again how you aren't another dogmatic death cult?

>>138291666
>Human nature will magically change because of technology
No it won't

>Consistent source of renewable energy
We have those, but they are expensive. You'll just have to wait for the private energy companies to reduce the prices and improve the quality for you as your shitty economic system has no price controls.

>Reasonable bill of rights
We have those. See: US Constitution/ Bill of Rights, Declaration of the Rights of Man and Citizen, English Common Law.

>...enforced by automated systems
That's disturbing. Why the hell would you want to automate the law? Law needs a human element present to accurately carry out justice.

So your big plan is that human nature will magically change and then technology will come along and fix everything. Solid plan, buddy.

So how do you plan to change human nature this time, commie? By killing 60 million? 100 million? Or are you planning for a world record this time? Commies seem to be good at that sort of thing.

>>138293735
do you remember the fucking drink machines? on the blocks it was this shitty soda like stuff but the cup was attached to the dispenser.

>>138282169
>he can't see that this trend is circular
haha wew

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>>138291666
>Well for one there needs to be a method by which human beings can reliably control their emotional impulses, technology will provide this.

Yes humans need to be LITERAL CYBERMEN for communism to work.

>>138282169
Who will pay the people that distribute food to you or nearby markets?

the examples of communism we have seen have not been a natural progression of things, so we can't say the end result must be communism.

what is industrial communism but fascist syndicalism?

>>138282169
>Trend
Doesn't that imply that its happened before?

>>138282169
Have you ever lived on a commune or been a part of any IRL commie cult?? Its a fucking horrible life.

>>138294883

I'm not a communist.

How the fuck are you colluding exensively recorded trends in technological advancement with "magic" are you from the stone ages?

We also have vaccines, but I suppose those cause autism so rather than embrace them we should fear them instead.

Fuck their potential to facilitate peace and stability, they might have government techno-magic trying to unbalance our humours! Witch witch!

I don't disagree that private companies have a role in facilitating the tech boom, especially in the energy sector since it's so vital to everything else.

The U.S. constitution does not protect all things that perhaps ought to be human rights, since it doesn't protect our ability to survive and all other rights like speech are precluded by this fact.

If it isn't a human right to have food and shelter, the others are pointless and poorly enforced.

>>138291202
>You get salary only for luxury goods

Ok, so my next question is, who regulates what kind of luxury goods will be produced and not produced? Typically, this is done by the succeed or fail method within Capitalism. How would this be accomplished through Communism when everything is "state owned"?

Also, how will the state know how much stuff to make to prevent shortages, starvation, etc.? This seems to be a real problem within Communism because they only make enough to survive on, not to thrive on (which is why you never see a fat Communist, except for government officials that is).

I'm not trying to pick a fight, it's a genuine concern I have. How does it work?

>>138297291
It doesn't. Socialism and syndicalism offer little to no means of allocating resources in a society. That's why a lot of anarcho-communists/syndicalists cheat and define their systems as post scarcity societies where the problem of economics (scarcity) has already been solved.

>>138295532

That's not entirely accurate, no emotions is not the same as controlled emotions. I want factors like an ageless body and greater potential to utilize empathy, not a post human efficiency culture.

Not all versions of human and technology synthesis are dystopian, watch less Netflix.

>>138282169
>Chinese and Russian revolutions
These have had nowhere near as much effect as the revolutions ending feudalism. To be fair, feudalism persisted in a few small island fiefs of the UK until the 2000s though. And it was almost restored in part with feudal lords' commercial rights to their fiefdoms. But the Russian Revolution and Chinese Revolution have both basically been undone now.

>>138298231

That's what I believe. I heard that the TV show "star trek" made some Communist-like comments throughout a couple episodes and people were equating it with Communism and how things would be in a Communist society. The thing is though, when it comes to food and such, they have replicators that seem to form matter out of nothing (or energy perhaps?) instead of using resources, which is why the system works in my opinion.

>>138296655
Negative rights vs positive rights. You can't force anything into existence. You have to redistribute what you already have to try and achieve these "rights."

>>138282169
Automation is coming for most everyone's jobs

What are you going to do when no jobs exist that you can get?

Universal basic income or a negative income tax is the only legitimate solution I know of

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>>138282169
Inevitable? You people die from starvation you ignorant fuck!!!

>>138299629
Tax companies based on the value the robot produces and redistribute it

>>138299521

Well sure, we sacrifice perhaps our right to uncontrolled emotional fits of anger that can result in violence in exchange for the right to not feel endangered by others. For example.

Or technology grants us the ability to process greater energy from less food, or perhaps quality of life/aesthetically we can generate what appears and feels to be abundance from technology so we can sacrifice our right to true abundance in exchange for a right to food for everyone.

In the case is shelter I don't think we need to do much redistribution, tech is already tacking low income housing but yeah okay we could again sacrifice our unecessary right to owning several abandoned properties that could house thousands of people that just sit there.

Much of these things really though don't currently even need technology to redistribute, but it sure would make it simpler and I think simplicity gets things done. Like recycling bins.

>>138299629

Can't we do away with currency in a post job world? Focus on the arts and humanities.