Christian Anons who support Israel, come here!

>>138236995
Only Prottie cucks support Israel, because they reject Church authority.
> Protestants are the original SJWs

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>>138236995
It's a tough balance. We are to love thy neighbor as the Bible commands us, but also at the same time, we are living in the New Covenant by the Blood of Jesus Christ, so we shouldn't be participating in any of the old Jewish traditions:

>And Jesus said unto him, No man, having put his hand to the plough, and looking back, is fit for the kingdom of God. (Luke 9:62)

The next verse is a point of contention and I know a particular popular pastor online who rails against this verse and tries to (mis) interpret its meaning. However, if you read the Bible in its entirely (from Genesis to Revelation), you note that this particular blessing is repeated and passed down from the lineage of Abraham all the way down to Israel and his sons:

>I will bless those who bless you, And I will curse him who curses you; And in you all the families of the earth shall be blessed. (Genesis 12:3)

Bill Koenig, the author of Eye to Eye, notes whenever the United States does anything to Israel, it's netted right back at the US. For example, The twelve costliest hurricanes in U.S. history • Three of the four largest tornado outbreaks in U.S. history • The two largest terrorism events in U.S. history. All of these major catastrophes and many others occurred or began on the very same day or within 24-hours of U.S. presidents Bush, Clinton and Bush applying pressure on Israel to trade her land for promises of "peace and security," sponsoring major "land for peace" meetings, making major public statements pertaining to Israel’s covenant land and /or calling for a Palestinian state.

The Bible makes repeated mention that the city of Jerusalem will cause disturbance to all nations even to this day:

>Behold, I will make Jerusalem a cup of trembling unto all the people round about, when they shall be in the siege both against Judah and against Jerusalem. (Zechariah 12:2)

So it's wise we remind ourselves that Israel is still God's chosen people. The apple of God's Eye.

>>138239302
Ok, this is what I was looking for. So, you claim that Genesis 12:3 states that God will not only bless Abraham, but his "seed" too, right?

Specially, the verses below, right?

> Genesis 12:1-3 - "Now the Lord had said unto Abram, Get thee out of thy country, and from thy kindred, and from thy father's house, unto a land that I will shew thee: And I will make of thee a great nation, and I will bless thee, and make thy name great; and thou shalt be a blessing: And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed.

> Genesis 22:18 - "And in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed; because thou hast obeyed my voice."

So if these are the verses that you are using to justify supporting "Abraham's seed", then what do you think about this verse?

> Galatians 3:16 "Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ."

This verse clearly states that Abraham's "seed" is actually Christ, not his descendants.

>>138236995
>Please use scripture to support your claim because I will do the same to support my view while we debate.
Christianity is officially a Jewish denomination contrary to the Laodicean lies almost all of you bit. Early Christians kept the Sabbath, ate Kosher and celebrated Pesach. Whether it appeases your feelings or not, Jews are our elder brothers and should be blessed and supported with the light of the Messiah.
Jesus didn't support preaching to the Gentiles at first; he came for the lost ewes of Israel first.
If Sha'ul (a.k.a. Paulus) gave up on his Hebrew name and started preaching to the non-Jews, it was solely to make Jews jealous that their blessings got into the hands of non-Jews.
Jesus was Jewish, lived for the temple and honored the law of the Torah.
No Jews, no Torah; no Torah, no Jesus; no Jesus, no salvation. No way around.

Now to your rebuttal, OP. Scriptural only, as you said. Any out-of-context verse, false dichotomy or dishonest use of ambiguity will be dismissed as heresy.

>>138236995

I support Christ and fellow Christians. I don't support filthy Talmudists. Christ is the light, and I don't hate you if you see it or not. But Talmudism is the darkness, and it makes me revolted if you follow it.

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>>138241900
>Jews are our elder brothers and should be blessed and supported with the light of the Messiah.

Please, use scripture to back supporting "Jews" and their state of Israel.

I am not taking ANY scriptures out of context. Please, review this comment and let me know what you think (>>138240767)

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>>138240767
This blessing is repeated to Abraham's son Isaac, and repeated again to Jacob, and then to all their children as well. You're cherry-picking those particular verses to suite a narrative. This is a very complicated topic, but it's clear from reading the signs and reading the Bible, that you don't mess with their land. Please read the Bible in its entirety.

Zechariah 2:8
For thus saith the Lord of hosts; After the glory hath he sent me unto the nations which spoiled you: for he that toucheth you toucheth the apple of his eye.

>>138242570

> This is a very complicated topic

While I agree that it is a somewhat complicated topic, I also believe that it's stated somewhat clearly within the bible that Christians are Gods true chosen people.

For instance, what do you think about the parable of Pharisees that kept telling Jesus "But we are born of Abraham" and Jesus told them that if they were Abraham's seed, that they would do works according to Abraham. He even went as far as to tell them that they were of their father the devil (John 8:31-47).

My question is, why should Christians support a nation that specifically makes it a requirement to disavow Christ in order to gain entry into their country as a citizen?

>God

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>>138236995
They support Israel because their con man evangelist pastor tells them to or they'll go to Hell. Pastors are some of the best actors and manipulators to ever do it, despite evidence that those who say they are Jews are not the true Jews. I advise EVERY anon atheist, Muslim, Christian or whatever to read this book.

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>>138236995
Israel hates muslims. I don't believe in Jew conspiracy that somehow Jews who are 15 million of world population of which majority lives normal lives in israel are behind anything(they might have some inflence here and there but its minimal). If you look Israel supports and funded some anti muslim moviments in Europe. and Its not israelis that go around imposing trying to impose Sharia and forcing Their religion. They also respect their women

>>138244367

Well, I'm trying to debate people who believe they must support the nation of Israel and the Jewish people to receive Gods blessings, but nobody will reply to me after I post Galatians 3:16....

Then, they say I'm "cherry picking" despite them doing exactly the same thing to support their narrative. The fact of the matter is (IMO) that the bible repeatably states over and over to not worry about endless genealogies and that the heirs of Abraham's promises are those with the seed of Christ within them (Christians), not those who deny Christ (Jews).

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>>138243379
>Christians are Gods true chosen people.
We are grafted into True Israel, these are the Israelites who accepted Jesus Christ as the Messiah. For example, the 12 Apostles were all Jews and many of the early churches were filled with Jews. That said, I'm not a judaizer, and I don't observe any of the Jewish traditions because we live in the New Covenant. I reject dual covenant theology and I believe that "Star of David" is actually an occult symbol to the false star god molech (Book of Amos).

>My question is, why should Christians support a nation that specifically makes it a requirement to disavow Christ in order to gain entry into their country as a citizen?
Great question. Why should God support a nation that specifically aborts millions of babies, is a major exporter of pornography and filth, and continually turn its back on God? I'm talking about the United States here. Jesus taught us to turn the other cheek. God raises the sun on both the righteous and the wicked. Judgment belongs to God, and after they all pass from this life, they will face judgment from God. In the meantime, the Bible makes it very clear that that land belongs to Israel.

>>138244766
They hate muslims so much that they are allies with Saudi Arabia.

>>138236995
The anti-Christ will be Jewish.

>>138245519

Ok, I agree with a lot of what you said within the fist sentence, except the following:

> True Israel

I have heard someone mentioned them by similar verbiage "True Jews". Where is scripture supporting this notion?

Now as for this exert:

> the Bible makes it very clear that that land belongs to Israel

I don't disagree with you nor am I debating about that. I am debating about Christians supporting a nation who's founding and belief system is Anti-Christ in nature. You mention abortion, pornography, etc. It's funny that you mention that because those things didn't arise until after our support for Israel began.

Also, here are multiple verses that support the notion of Christians being Gods "chosen people".

> Romans 2:28-29 - "For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh: But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God."

> Galatians 3:28-29 - "There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise."

Especially the end of Galatians 3:38-39. The "Abrahamic covenant" was made to those with the seed of Christ within them (aka the seed of Abraham)

The thing about this verse is that it could be anyone. They can be black, white, Oriental, Indian, Israelite, Arab, etc. I believe at a certain time Israelite's were Gods chosen people, but because of their rejection of their messiah (Jesus Christ), God gave his blessings to those who would provide fruit. Let's not forget the parable of the wicked tenants:

> Matthew 21:42-43

Sorry for the wait between replies, I was using the restroom.

>>138242234
>And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed.
This supports exactly my point. God's blessings are tightly linked to Israel and its patriarchs, and this link can't be cut.

>This verse clearly states that Abraham's "seed" is actually Christ, not his descendants.
For replacement theology: https://youtu.be/8FrbFqeLwgE

>Please, use scripture to back supporting "Jews" and their state of Israel.
I'm terrible at remembering verse references, so I can't be exhaustive, but I'll try. If you really want to honor the Messiah, you need to honor his origin, and Paul reminds in Romans 11:26 that he came from Zion (i.e. Jerusalem). Additionally, Ezekiel prophecized the coming of Jesus in the following verse:
“So thou, O son of man, I have set thee a watchman unto the house of Israel; therefore thou shalt hear the word at my mouth, and warn them from me.” (Ezekiel 33:7, KJV)
Jesus (often called Son of man in the Gospel) is a watchman for Israel. Since Israel still exists to this day, this mission is ongoing for us Christians. Besides, if God did not forgive the Jewish people (Romans 11:1), then you have to be retarded to see Jews as enemies.

If you think you don't owe Jews shit, you should reread John 4:7-22 and see how much of an anti-Gentile sneaky kikeroach Jesus really is.

>>138236995
It is better to fight them over there than over here.