>The Nazis were social-

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>>138217842
I want them to write an article every time I trash a commie on /pol/

>>138217842
Based.

>>138217842
This article has blatant spelling errors.

>>138217842

Nazi Germany had private businesses operating and producing according to the dictates of the government, and social benefits financed by borrowing against the future; that's definitely a kind of socialism. It's just not classical Marxism.

Wtf I hate Nazis now

>>138219786
>Nazi Germany had private businesses operating and producing according to the dictates of the government
The rule in socialism is that public ownership of the capital and/or means of production should be a direct benefit to the public, like public parks and the post office.

If the public has no access to those state goods and services and only indirectly benefits as an afterthought, then the system is more rightly called state capitalism.


>social benefits financed by borrowing against the future
This is a classic guns or butter argument. The Nazis rose to power on restoring the economy in Germany and creating prosperity for the people (after years of austerity from WWI), but their new war efforts created a lot of market shortages and scarcity.

The Nazis nationalized private welfare and stole a lot of Jewish property to finance their wars, but eventually they realized that the people would turn on them unless they took some of that capital and gave it back to the people in the form of social welfare benefits.

>that's definitely a kind of socialism
It is, but in the context it was delivered, it was more a type of payment for the silence of the German people. The Nazi's were buying love as we might say.

>>138221872
>it was more a type of payment for the silence of the German people. The Nazi's were buying love as we might say.


That's exactly what your government is doing with niggers. Giving them welfare so they sit tight in their ghetto, if they cut the money there will only be more and more social unrest and violence.

>>138222424
Thats really not true at all
If they had to work there would be far less crime

They're nationalist socialists. I don't care what he said.

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>national socialism
>socialism literally in the name
>"lol not real socialism"
????

Just search for "hitler on socialism".
It is NOT marxist socialism, FFS.

>>138217842
>history writer

>>138222608
people's democratic republic of korea

>>138217842
>(((history writer)))

They weren't Marxists, but they were undeniably economic collectivists.
This professor has an agenda.

>>138222897
>implying it isn't democratic
They get to vote. But there's just one guy to vote for. Just like back in the USSR.

>>138222897
Technically it is a republic and it is a democracy. There's only one party though.

>>138217842
History professor or history writer? There's a big difference.

>>138217842
Mike Stuchberry

Always the same little hateful cunt the media seem to love.

>if we redefine socialism to mean this, and invent this term to fill in the blank then nazis were capitalists and not socialists
>looks like we marxists win again haha

>>138222897
>union of soviet socialist republics
>national socialist german workers party

>>138222897
it's democratic, just like how china or the former soviet union are democratic

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>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Socialist_Program

The nicked (fucking limey) a few socialist policies, eh?

>We demand that the state be charged first with providing the opportunity for a livelihood and way of life for the citizens. If it is impossible to sustain the total population of the State, then the members of foreign nations (non-citizens) are to be expelled from the Reich.
>All citizens must have equal rights and obligations.
>The first obligation of every citizen must be to productively work mentally or physically. The activity of individuals is not to counteract the interests of the universality, but must have its result within the framework of the whole for the benefit of all. Consequently, we demand:
>Abolition of unearned (work and labour) incomes. Breaking of debt (interest)-slavery.
>In consideration of the monstrous sacrifice in property and blood that each war demands of the people, personal enrichment through a war must be designated as a crime against the people. Therefore, we demand the total confiscation of all war profits.
>We demand the nationalisation of all (previous) associated industries (trusts).
>We demand a division of profits of all heavy industries.
>We demand the creation of a healthy middle class and its conservation, immediate communalization of the great warehouses and their being leased at low cost to small firms, the utmost consideration of all small firms in contracts with the State, county or municipality.
>We demand a land reform suitable to our needs, provision of a law for the free expropriation of land for the purposes of public utility, abolition of taxes on land and prevention of all speculation in land.
etc

>>138217842
NatSoc is not Marxian Socialism. Only retards think it is.
The US right now is drastically closer to Marxian Socialism than Nazi Germany was. Our welfare system is utterly massive, it is a system of lifelong dependence, and we support people who contribute nothing to society. We have created a demographic of minorities who do nothing but leech from the state.
Germans at least had restrictions along racial/ethnic lines, ant it was not a limitless lifestyle. The goal of their program was to get people working, not provide for the lazy and degenerate.

Hitler appropriated the term Socialism, the term comrade, the colors of the Communist parties, and a ton of their language to hide their true intent when the party first formed. It was also used to recruit Commies into the party once they were gaining power.

>>138223211
I think that twitter rant might be from the same fag who claimed there were trannies in the Roman Legion because they found one corpse that was born intersex.

>>138217842
Sure it didn't end up being socialist, but almost all genocidal regimes have a funny habbit of starting out with those types of ideals.

>>138223752
>Hitler appropriated the term Socialism, the term comrade, the colors of the Communist parties, and a ton of their language to hide their true intent when the party first formed. It was also used to recruit Commies into the party once they were gaining power.
This and he also did it to piss commies off desu

I mean Strength through Joy and the NSV were about as socialist as you could get.

>>138217842
Stuchbery is an SJW tool who got kicked out of a teaching job after only three months because he couldn't handle children. See http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-norfolk-30222229

He is NOT a historian. He is a seedy blogger.

>>138217842
>history (((writer)))

So fucking obvious

>>138223211
Like a rising tide raises all boats?

>>138217842
Hi hello my name is Mike Stuchberry and I (((write))) history
What? What do you mean I don't know what I'm talking about? I literally write history!

>>138217842
Wasn't this guy also the one who claimed that Roman Britain was typically black?

>>138224834
Probably.

>>138221872

>Sure the nazis were authoritarian statists who nationalized industries to provide baseline standard of living to all citizens, but they were weren't socialists!

>It is, but in the context it was delivered, it was more a type of payment for the silence of the German people.

Okay dude, whatever let's you sleep at night. Because ideology isn't based on your policies, it's based on the INTENTION of your policies.

>>138217842
OH NO THE HISTORY TEACHER IS AT IT AGAIN, HOW CAN WE RECOVER /POL/? THEY'RE SAYING HE DESTROYED PJW AND NOW THIS?!....

>>138217842

"It is not Germany that will turn Bolshevist but Bolshevism that will become a sort of National Socialism. Besides, there is more that binds us to Bolshevism than separates us from it…. I have always made allowance for this circumstance, and given orders that former Communists are to be admitted to the party at once. The petit bourgeois Social-Democrat and the trade union boss will never make a National Socialist, but the Communist always will. "

"The party is all-embracing. It rules our lives in all their breadth and depth… There will be no license, no free space, in which the individual belongs to himself. This is Socialism… Let them then own land or factories as much as they please. The decisive factor is that the State, through the party, is supreme over them, regardless whether they are owners or workers. "

"After all, that’s exactly why we call ourselves National Socialists! We want to start by implementing socialism in our nation among our Volk! It is not until the individual nations are socialist that they can address themselves to international socialism. "

"I have learned a great deal from Marxism as I do not hesitate to admit… The difference between them and myself is that I have really put into practice what these peddlers and pen pushers have timidly begun. The whole of National Socialism is based on it… National Socialism is what Marxism might have been if it could have broken its absurd and artificial ties with a democratic order. "

-Adolf Hitler

>There are people in this very thread who think that socialism is communism

>>138217842
not muh socialism

If you watch Hitlers pre WWII speeches when he was just a fiery politician trying to get votes he sounded a lot like a very high energy Bernie Sanders. Lots of promises of social programs and fixing poverty. It was very nationalistic but still socialism.

>>138225072
He is not a history teacher. He is a "writer" who likes history. Look it up

>>138217980
>communists reject our right so we reject theirs
>ancaps consider any form of government a violation of their rights
So by that logic anyone who's not an ancap should be executed right? God this ideology is so pathetic.

>>138225249
and there are also people who deny their common traits

Big brother taking a huge chunk of your wages and deciding where it goes for you. Then promising to give you back that value in handouts.

>>138225455
Yeah but then he murdered the socialist wing of NSDAP and made alliance with old guard and industrialists.

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>>138217842
That was the shittest "schooling" I ever saw. It was like Politico or Snopes with the way they very things. Like...

"Water is wet" - FALSE While many people immersed in water claim to feel a sensation of "wetness" this doesn't account for other physical states of water such as ice.

The NSDAP implemented socialist economic policy. He admits it but spergs out about the Italian Fascists and their relation to the Third Reich. This is the shittest argument I've ever seen.

>>138225249
That's the thing, we don't. Socialism is the transition from capitalism to communism. I get that. Which is why you can argue countries like Norway are socialist when they very much have commerce similar to that of any liberal democracy. And you can argue that private enterprise existing in Nazi Germany can still be socialist.

The other thing people fail to mention about this is that the use of private enterprise in taking back Germany's economy was absolutely necessary for Germany to recover and even have socialist programs. Germany would have been beholden to international banks and it's deliberately weakened currency forever if the oldboys network of German industrialists who served in the WW1 and saw the backstab first-hand didn't all agree to adopt the MEFO bill system.

There's your fucking socialist revolution. Producers of wealth and commodities getting together to shrug off imperialists and global bakers and helping their local community.

>>138217842
>>138217842
The Soviets called themselves the Union of Socialist Republics, so therefore Republican democracy is evil. Not so hard, huh?

>>138223369
It's essentially a monarchy my dude

>>138229393
Don't even need to go that far, just bring up Antifa and their actions then sit back and watch the crazy mental gymnastics.

>>138223211
>this professor has an agenda
More like every professor (even non-commie professors)

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>>138217842
IT'S NOT REAL SOCIALISM

IT'S NEVER BEEN TRIED

>>138223670
>Abolition of unearned (work and labour) incomes.
No more welfare socialism?

How is "socialism" the elimination of socialism?

>>138225427
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=4YCcMOQnZ5Y

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>Ideology is called national socialism
>Stems from nationalism + socialism
>If it was something else, it'd be called something else
>BUT THEY DIDN'T PRACTICE MY KIND OF SOCIALISM

It's "b-b-b-b-ut REAL communism hasn't been tried yet" all over again.

>>138217842

They actually were. National socialists .(National identity and purpose, state ordered to focus economy on belicism. Marxism doesn't apply here at all). But a state made in order to avoid this glorious system to be used under a taboo nightmare with a deadly reminder. Also Israel is.

>>138232364
No my dude, he's talking about profits from financial speculation. It even says "Breaking of debt (interest)-slavery" which puts this into context.

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>>138217842
they were essentially natcaps for the brainlets in here who think you need full blown open borders globalism to be a le free market capitalist

>>138233097
So North Korea is democratic, right

>>138217842
holy fuck some 'nazis' are fucking retarded
National Socialism was socialism on a national level (surprise, surprise)
The 'socialism' that was made popular by Lenin and Marx is international socialism
So yes, National Socialism is socialism, just not the socialism that you so fear.
I hate kikes

>>138219786
Factory owners and people in charge of different industries had to be loyal to the party and didn't have control over the goods that were produced, their quantity etc.

>>138233097
>If it was something else, it'd be called something else
So the People's Democratic Republic of North Korea is really a republic led by a democracy of the people? Welp, it was on the internet so it must be true.

I mean, any ideology that believes in family, tribe, race, nation, community, and pro-social institutions fits the broadest definition of socialist. Not all socialism is Marxist or Fabian socialism, not all socialism is anti-private ownership or enterprise.

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>>138217842
>history writer

>>138233337
Do you need a fucking brain transplant or something? If I am a communist by every definition of the word, and I decide to name myself "Nazi Pete" and tell everyone that I am a nazi, I'll still be communist by definition, and will be branded as such. Because all of my beliefs align with the communist ideology, rather than national socialism.

The Third Reich was national socialist by definition. That is a universal acceptance, hence why we still call them nazis.

>>138225862
>So by that logic anyone who's not an ancap should be executed right?
You're retarded.

>>138233645
It is. They all chose Kim.

>>138233224
>he's talking about profits from financial speculation.
That makes sense. In America, about 85% of the GDP is from labor producing goods and providing services and the rest is from finance/interest.

Interestingly, almost 50% of the debt in America is from risky derivatives and other credit default swaps with no tangible or asset value.

>>138234195
>It is. They all chose Kim.
And what of the people who didn't?
>free helicopter rides
(1) Republic that doesn't protect the rights of the people
(2) Not really a democracy
(3) People not necessary for elections

The trifecta of dictatorship.

>>138233701
kek how did i miss that

>>138222608

Yes it's socialism but not Marxist socialism, but still socialism. Not the kind you guys rightly hate but the kind that you guys are rightly suspicious of. Also we have thwe fucking threads every few hours

>>138234217
Nah, that's just a (((cohencidence))).

>>138233645
This >>138233964 goes for you too.

Although I'm assuming you got stuck on the "it would be called something else", rather than everyone in the fucking world would call it something else.

>>138222569
The only work they know how to do is crime. You really don't want to force them to work.

>>138217842
"NATIONAL SOCIALIST PARTY"

>>138217842

Marxist-Leninist Socialism: "Workers of the world, unite!"

German National Socialism: Workers of Germany, unite (fuck off we're full)!

>>138222569
>If they had to work there would be far less crime
A drug dealer makes more money than you you fucking retard. It's not a "Poor Aladdin is stealing bread from the rich to feed his little monkey" situation.

It's lazy niggers selling crack/robbing people to buy a new pair of Yeezys and a new iphone.

>>138235558
>German National Socialism: Workers of Germany, unite (fuck off we're full)!
It's not just workers, that's the point. It's all classes.

>>138221872
>If the public has no access to those state goods and services and only indirectly benefits as an afterthought, then the system is more rightly called state capitalism.
And? The same can be and is said of China today, but no one takes issue with them calling themselves Communist.

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Socialist should really fuck off and admit that their ideology is a curse for humanity.

>>138233337

NK is communist (private property abolished) on paper. In actuality they appear to be a monarchy.

>>138232364
It's referring to Jewish means of wealth, usury ect

>>138217842
maybe he can tell me what is and isn't real communism

How fucking retarded is this guy? To prove his point that the Germans were different than socialism, he first pointed out the Nazis used military means to expand their greater German Reich... while socialists used violent revolution to achieve global socialism.

What amazes me isn't that somebody is this stupid. It's that not only is somebody this stupid, but somebody is stupid enough to read an argument this stupid and think it's smart because they're a HISTORIAN, and then a bunch of commentators all think it's brilliant.

This is some retarded arguing and it's all based off somebody extremely autistic view that only a specific style of globalised communist style socialism before Stalin came along was REAL socialism and that all other varieties of socialism like say Nordic-style are not socialism.

>>138233337
>>138233645
Socialism is the state collectivization of private industry, the National Socialist Workers Party did exactly that, they just allowed them to operate for a profit, because they were slightly less retarded than communists.

>>138232556
>"I have learned a great deal from Marxism as I do not hesitate to admit… The difference between them and myself is that I have really put into practice what these peddlers and pen pushers have timidly begun. The whole of National Socialism is based on it… National Socialism is what Marxism might have been if it could have broken its absurd and artificial ties with a democratic order.
>After all, that’s exactly why we call ourselves National Socialists! We want to start by implementing socialism in our nation among our Volk! It is not until the individual nations are socialist that they can address themselves to international socialism." - Hitler

This article looks like someone from leftypol write it

>>138236119
Facism and socialism are pretty close. Basically the state controlled businesses instead of out right owning them. Kinda like how Obama care controls the health care industry :^)

>>138235734
German workers and the bourgeoisie class were to work together for the betterment of the nation, and only the nation. The Nazi state was to keep businesses in line so that their profits would benefit the national welfare. Every level of society was directed by the state to improve each other, coupled with a spirit of community and national pride.

What happened in Mexico or Vietnam was of no concern to the state.

>>138228228
>He admits it but spergs out about the Italian Fascists and their relation to the Third Reich
He's an idiot on that point as well because Mussolini was a socialist before he started shilling fascism. Mussolini didn't like socialism because it wasn't nationalist enough, and there's still plenty of elements of socialism in Mussolini's fascism.

>>138217842
i dont see an article. I see a half ass written blurb and a bunch of twitter posts made by leftists who just cant handle the nazis being socialists. am i missing something here?

>>138225427
Strasser said that and he was assassinated.

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>>138217842
>schooled
i didn't realize being mean was a requirement when correcting someone
fucking RUDE

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>>138223752
>Marxian
Nigger, please.
It's Socialism. National SOCIALISM. The Socialists don't like it and the National Socialists don't like it but there you are, both wanting to tear down the Monarchy. What Monarchy? The French monarchy- ie. a metaphor for the existing political and cultural order. That's how historically you all including the 'Marxians' and Hitlerians got the name LEFTIST.
>into_the_trash_it_goes.gif

>>138223081
Saved

>>138235799
>but no one takes issue with them calling themselves Communist.
Next time someone on /pol/ posts a "communism doesn't work" thread mention China as an example of it working.

You'll find plenty of people who immediately respond with "ackshually China is capitalist."

>>138236475
I would say socialism inevitably leads to fascism, because eventually you have to force people to cooperate and that requires giving one group the power to do so. That group will also inevitably be one party, because deciding what's in the best interest of everyone leaves no room for dissent.

When fascism comes up, people kind of forget that it was birthed by Marxist fanboys in Italy. Mussolini believed it was a socialist til the day he died, and lefties today would absolutely jizz themselves upon reading the fascist manifesto which was pro women's vote, labor unions, limited work hours, minimum wage, etc. The left is terrified of people realizing that fascism always was left-leaning, just like they try to pretend US parties flipped at some magical point in history to avoid being associated with the fact they were pro-slavery.

Why are Americans so obsessed with the left /right label, can't they understand world isn't a black and white

It's socialism

Overbearing government dictating social policies and services (gibs), and taxing from the people for them.

They could have called it "socialism" and not "national socialism" and no one would have ever thought otherwise.

>National SOCIALIST Party
>IT'S NOT SOCIALISM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

>>138238230
Not real Socialism.

>>138217842

TLDR the nazis were originally socialist but after Hitler wrested control and kicked out people like the Strasser brothers he shifted the party more towards Italian Fascism and abandoded most of the parties socialist tenets.

Before Hitler the Nazis were undeniably socialist but after his rise the Nazis were Fascist/corporatist/state capitalists

>>138237720

Communism works fine as long as you've got a population that all think and feel the same for the most part, such as all Slavs, all Chinese or all Swedish.

It fails when an outside force subverts it with capitalist treasures and degeneracy.

>>138222897
the people vote in north korea.

democratic and republic doesn't mean free.

>>138217842
> wtf I love Nazism now

>>138238395
A ruling system that has economic as its core Tennant will always fail, you cannot progress with just economics that's not how a country works

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>>138217842
>literally called nationalist SOCIALIST
>they are not SOCIALIST

>>138238268

The thing with socialism is that it needn't be all government owned. Just heavy government controlled with heaps of regulations.

Socialism is pretty much state run capitalism, with private people owning the businesses, but the government telling them how to run it and how much to give for the gibs to the people.

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>>138217842

>>138217842
>The same "history writer" who got rekt by PJW over MUH BLACK ROMANS

>>138221872
Hitler saw it as unimportant to take direct state control of economy because he was socializing the people themselves. If the people had no choice other than to work for the state under the guise of private ownership, he didn't care if that facade was allowed to persist. This facade was a necessary distinction despite it being downplayed. The Nazi ideology was deeply rooted in anti-Marxism, and perceived economic similarities needed to be avoided. They were entirely anti-capitalism ideologically as well, hence the policy of state-sponsored private ownership.

>>138238592

Communism's core is equal effort in, equal goods back, with no classes.

Which can work, and the USSR was going fine until they tried to produce more military gear than the people could handle, in addition to outside influence of capitalist treasures.

>>138238759
Socialism is worker-owned. Whether the workers own it via a representative government or via worker co-operatives or something else doesn't matter, but private people owning the business is not and cannot ever be socialism.

In socialism nobody ever sells their labour to someone else. They always own the enterprise for which they are labouring. Practically speaking there would be exceptions, like contractors, but even so.

>>138238696
Well to be fair, that it's called something isn't really a good argument for why it is that something.

>>138237158

Its sad to see how rarely the left espouse the ideals of mutual and universal respect they so eagerly promote.

You have to treat them with silk gloves because anything irritate them to no end, but they allow themselves the wildest of discrepancy when speaking to others. You have to be ever mindful of what you say, when they can decide on a moment notice to reinterpret what you said outside of its intended context and you're left to defend yourself against the lynching mob. You can be get your life ruined for saying stupid shit decades ago (like that cook show host lady that was insta banned from television because it surfaced that she said nigger over 20 years ago) when they allow themselves everything if it is for the[ir] noble cause, even violent riot roused up by Antifa.

The saddest thing is half of their supposed problems they fight against, wouldn't be anymore if they hadn't been such a bunch of cunt when fighting for it. Per exemple the feminist nowadays are pretty much regressing their cause with their insanity like femen while at the same time promoting the LGBT and the fruitcakes therein, you can't claim you're fighting for women rights when the thing standing by your side claim that genders are a social construct, it just doesn't fucking work, it would be like trying to fit a square into a circle.

>>138239114
>Its sad to see how rarely the left espouse the ideals of mutual and universal respect they so eagerly promote.
Espouse and promote are equivalent in this context. You essentially just said "it's a shame to see that leftists rarely talk about the things they eagerly talk about."

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>>138239073
i honestly want to believe you but i can no longer trust a sweden poster. for what its worth im sorry

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>>138221872
>It is, but in the context it was delivered, it was more a type of payment for the silence of the German people. The Nazi's were buying love as we might say.
That makes sense and explains why Americans send over 30 billion of their taxes dollars every year to Israel to pay them to be our allie and not attack us since we owe it to the Jewish people for letting World War 2 happen as everyone is taught in school.

>>138237720
You mean the China whose workforce is essentially slavery? Yeah, it's really working alright. Power to the people r-right?

>>138239026
Yeah them exporting grain during famines was just a prank same with the gold based currency, and communisms core isn't equal effort, the existence of a party creates a Intellectual bourgeois anyways

>Ian Miles Cheong
kek, you got some impressive allies, /pol/.

>>138239430
See, I already found one. Way to literally prove the point I was just making.

>>138239615
It's about what they call themselves and what a large part of communist believe it to be, reality is subjective

>>138217842
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jNWAIJfzGZc

>>138221872
But in the context of comparing it to the system in post-October 1917 Russia, was it socialism? Because you don't see bulbheads writing 'it's not socialism' when writing about Bolsheviks or Chinese communists.

>>138217842
It's really quite simple, Drumpfkins. If you disagree with a popular leftist theory, you're wrong. We pride ourselves on FACTS. If the scientific theory you agree with doesn't align with our personal beliefs, it must be fake science. How you idiots refuse to accept this is baffling. It's almost as if you low IQ rural inbred nazis enjoy arguing for the sake of arguing. What a pathetic existence.

And so what if our movement is accepting support from the establishment, despite being largely anti-establishment? So what if our hipsters are conforming to our new meta that is the modern left? So what if we're all a bunch of delusional hypocrites? We're winning. The government is on our side and there is literally nothing you can do to stop this. It's already too late. Even now, our agents are working with CIA to report threads that violate hate speech laws. It's only a matter of time before 4Chan is shut down and the oppressive system gives way to TRUE Communism. If God exists, he wants this. Check mate, christfags.

>>138239380
Just logic my dude

>>138217842
>National Socialist Party

Hmm...

>>138239615
Is it not true? Refute it.

I've been there. I've seen it senpai.

>>138239994
The point is that it's fucking irrelevant you illiterate peasant.

Anon said "nobody takes issue with China calling themselves communist."
I said "a lot of people do."
And here you are, proving my point.

Think before you post.

>>138239026
>USSR was going fine until
They were never fine, famine from the get-go, reliant on US and European food aid. Kolhoz and sovhoz didn't produce shit and grain production went to total zero after Ukrainian peasants were genocided (Ukraine, although with Don Cossacks already removed during the final phase of the Civil war, was the last bastion; Great Russian communal agriculture was destroyed first).

how are people on here even asking this question?
do you not read /pol/ ???
the Nazi's that write on here are always talking about how much they hate the 1%, big banks, and capitalism.

>>138237720

>China
>Working communism

HA HA HA HA HA HA

China is a capitalist and individualist society to this very core, the cultural revolution of Mao was just a powergrab and culling of the different cultures as to make the Chinese overall more open to a culturally disconnected governance, in practice the Chinese in general care very little about one another. If you're in shit, you're on your own, no one will help you unless they are insured to gain something from it. and I mean monetarily, Chinese care little of morals or to appear good to the public eye hence why virtue signaling chinks are literally non-existent. The only communist part of their nation is the government and it is because it literally force peoples to function as a community under the threats of criminal accusation if they do not, but with the size of the country and the population they can barely manage to do so, so its basically the very few ones who get caught that get all the shit with fines that ruin their life and etc.

Its a nation of opportunistic liars and dishonest fucks, the very few honest chink have so little power and influence over the whole of thing they might as well be considered fiction.

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>>138225862
Don't violate the NAP and everything will be A-Ok

>>138240518
Oh look, another one.

>>138222424
>We give money to black people so they won't commit crimes
I might come from a liberal community that does this very same thing but you sound very racist. No, those black people would DIE without support, so we can't just let that happen. It's our duty to support EVERYONE on the planet. Well, not "our", since I don't have a job either. I mean YOU - Working Man! Just think, if you quit your job, you could be living on easy street like me! There's nothing wrong with giving up, staying home, and letting someone else do the work for you.

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>>138217842

>twitter intellectuals


1) Uses the old "no true Scotsman argument"
2) Forgets that Fascist Italy was the country with the most nationalized economy right after the fucking Soviet Union.
3) Corporatism back then had no connection with its modern usage, which means "big business". It rather meant that a nation was to be viewed like a corpus - body, where body parts need to work harmoniously to achieve a certain goal.
4) The nazis were socialists in the sense that they were building a volkish- welfare state for "aryans".

>>138217842
The problem with this assertion is: Hitler really didn't give a shit about the original intent of the NSDAP and what party members like the Strasser brothers wanted.

The Nazis went from being about Socialism-In-One-Country to Hitler's racial ideology and military agenda

>even though they were socialists by their own admission, they weren't because I'd look bad.
They have forfeit their right to exist.

Socialism and Fascism work the same way because they both require centralized power, and inevitable must use the same tactics to accomplish their goals.

We believe in separation of powers and democracy but recognize that democracy does not work with those who are not loyal too it.

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>>138240760
>everything that i know about Nazi Germany i learned on the history channel

>>138240640
You force jobs out of the black communities and then deny them proper education by localizing blacks to inner cities and now you're sympathetic to their plight of always needing to be on state welfare. Wow. Communists do repeat failed history.

>>138217842
>twitter
>ctrl+c
>ctrl+v
>news article
>????
>Profit

>>138217842
not socialist?
>himmler start SS
>sees SS-men are in financial difficulty due to weimar republic
>asks SS-men voluntary donate some of their salary to SS bank account
>loans SS-men from bank account
>SS-men pay back lend money
>no central bank
>no interests
>voluntary

the natsees werent socialist goy i know reel historee

>>138240612

Not that communism can even work IRL because its a literal farce that was made from the ground up to be easily destroyed by those who know of its inner intricacies, its basically a golem ideology.

>>138233645
Still, they have the hammer and sickle as their national monument.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monument_to_Party_Founding

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>>138217842
Nazis literally coined the term "privatization"

>>138240796
But Fascism didn't use the same tactics of mass terror and omnipoten security organs like Russian Bolshevism and German National Socialism or eventual genocide (multiple by Bolsheviks) like the two.
Even centralized power is in doubt, since the local ras with their squadristi were out of Mussolini's control to early 30's.

they were socialist... national socialist.
hitler taxed profits 99%.

>>138217842
They were basically a social democracy, like Scandinavia, but with a greater focus on military power and racial purity.

>>138240980
>everything i know about Nazi Germany i learned about cripple/pol/

>>138217842
>gets schooled by history writer.
because all historians agree on everything

>>138217842
I hate this bullshit about "actual socialists" and "nicking socialist policies". If they implement socialist policies and it devolves into crony capitalism, it's exactly like every fucking actual socialist experiment before it. Fucking lefties get the helicopter.

>>138224173
>http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-norfolk-30222229
lol, the guy tried to ban joking around in his classroom.

Hmm, that's not the idea I got from Shirer's classic 'study' or Burleigh's 'New History' or from Toland's, Werner's or Kershaw's Hitler biographies.

I'm not sure why people still insist on calling Nazis white supremacist when their allies were Italians, Turks and Japanese and that their enemies were white people (French, Polish, English and Americans) (Russians are not white)

>>138233337
so commies and antifa are "peaceful and tolerant", right?

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>>138217842

>please don't associate Nazis with socialism
>because socialism could be tarnished by the association

>>138237580
THE REASON YOU FUCKING RETARDS LOSE IS BECAUSE YOU ARE FUCKING RETARDS. You are basically the modern christians of politics you ignore reality, ignore science, ignore history and PROOF BUT MUH BOOK MUH BOOK SAYS IT. I fucking swear Hitler has said multiple fucking times what he meant by socialism jesus fucking CHRIST

>>138238268
>corporatist/state capitalists
They were none of these things you fucking idiot.

>It wasn't real socialism

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>>138242808
>I'm not sure why people still insist on calling Nazis white supremacist

That term was coined by the media in the 80s, around the time of this incident:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2w4RzAgcMfU

>>138242808
Eternal French forgetting that considarable amount of Frenchmen were allies too and were very pleased to hunt the Jews. Luckily areas controlled by Italians became refugees, were French and German animals could not operate.

>>138221872
>It is, but in the context it was delivered, it was more a type of payment for the silence of the German people.
You're absolutely insane if you believe that.
Hitler came from a working class family, lived in poverty and served in WW1. Regardless of what you think about him, he loved his people, and everything he did, he did for them.

The nazis instituted social policies and benefits for the German people that outweigh many of the most left-leaning social democracies in the world today, including benefits for mothers, state sponsored loans for families, loans being cut by 25% for every child a mother has, shorter work days, more rights for the working class, longer vacations, better working condititions at factories and free vacation colonies. The Autobahn and the Volkswagen were also intended to benefit the people.

>but their new war efforts created a lot of market shortages and scarcity.
No, it didn't. In fact, one of the primary reason the Germans lost the war, was because they kept producing superfluous civilian products well into 1943 (!), and didn't switch to a war economy until February of that year. Had they declared total war in 1939, they would have won the war with ease.

>>138225150
perfect quote, thanks.

I can leave this stupid thread now, byee

>>138238230
>>138238267
reminds me of how the Left says Islamic terrorists "aren't real Muslims".
Bitch, puhlease! If a mentally ill person can identify as the opposite gender, then a Muslim Terrorist IS MUSLIM.
If Nazis identified as socialists, then they're SOCIALISTS.

Why do Leftists think that THEY get to decide who is or who isn't what they claim to be? Is there a law somewhere that states only they have that authority?

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>>138217842
>The Nazis were socialists
>Nuh uh, the Nazis were fascists
FASCISM IS A FORM OF SOCIALISM
WHAT THE FUCK AM I READING
MUSSOLINI WAS A FORMER SOCIALIST
HE DESCRIBED FASCISM AS BEING THE PUREST FORM OF SOCIALISM
FUCK THESE PEOPLE, GAS THEM ALL

>>138239923
>But in the context of comparing it to the system in post-October 1917 Russia, was it socialism?
I would say no. The Bolsheviks followed the Menscheviks in protesting for better conditions for the economic slaves of Russia's industrial revolution.

With Germany, you could easily make the argument that their pre-war economy was ~not~ about providing goods and services to the people. They built stadiums and statues to glorify the National socialist movement, but killed workers who tried to unionize or collective bargain.

In 1940 the Nazis spent 40% of their GDP on the military, and they 50% in 1941. Whatever the workers were producing, half went to building up the military and invading and occupying other countries.

It was a military police state that created social programs as an afterthought.

>>138241016
Why is it so hard for you people to understand that it wasn't real Communism? They were just bloodthirsty dictators using the glorious name of our system! It will be different this time! And so what if we starve off half the population? If we decide they don't eat, then they must deserve to starve to death, since we care about everyone! We are the people, after all, and you'd have to fuck up majorly to warrant a civilian-driven system to decide you aren't worth feeding anymore. Something like not agreeing with our progressive sciences or being a racist. That's why it's so important for everyone to just accept these facts right now, so less people die. And even if millions die, it would still be worth it.

>>138240640
Are we being raided? Did normies find their way enmass?

>>138217842
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-norfolk-30222229

HMMMM

>>138223597
>national socialist german workers party
You realize that Hitler first worked for the Wiemar Republic and was sent to spy on the workers to destroy the movement. He overplayed his role to gain acceptance and was made leader.

Hitler wasn't a socialist. He came to eliminate it.

>>138244411
He's baiting.

>>138240518
China is one of the most powerful countries on the planet and it has very little to do with Capitalism.

It's a Communism that has accepted bits of Capitalism to keep the economy stimulated. How you low IQ rural inbred nazi idiots don't understand this is beyond me. Maybe you drank the kool-aid at church?

>China is individualistic
Absolutely not. The Chinese are almost entirely embedded within a Communist hive mind, after being under the system (that works btw) for so many generations. People die all the time because they realize they were just weak links. They're not "accidents". The system is only cleansing itself, so there's less need for a force to purge. Think of it as changing oil. If a Chinaman died in China, it can only be that he was weak and deserved it. China is incredible and efficient. That's why we owe them so much money. It has very little to do with Capitalism.

>>138242808
>I'm not sure why people still insist on calling Nazis white supremacist
The White Supremacists insist on claiming the Nazi regime as their inspiration.

>>138243956
>I would say no. The Bolsheviks followed the Menscheviks in protesting for better conditions for the economic slaves of Russia's industrial revolution.
Empty words, which did not manifest in reality, just like with the National socialists.

>With Germany, you could easily make the argument that their pre-war economy was ~not~ about providing goods and services to the people. They built stadiums and statues to glorify the National socialist movement, but killed workers who tried to unionize or collective bargain.
Exact same thing can be said of Bolshevik regime, both created party controlled 'unions' to close arguments for destroying proper unions.

>It was a military police state that created social programs as an afterthought.
As was Soviet Russia and the USSR, excet that the Cheka-GP was completely omnipotent, unlike Gestapo and SD, which at least followed laws.

Either you want to ignore facts or know shit about the regime in post-1917 Russia.

Rapid armament was the key point of the Five year plan, just like with the 'Four year' one in Third Reich, in reality. And that should be the thing that matters.

>>138243987
>advocates murder
>wonders why nobody agrees with them

This is obvious shitposting but it's fun to reply anyway.

'History writers' entire argument is just typical 'not real socialism!' commie bullshit. Specifically, 'no real socialist state has anything but perfectly ethnicity-blind egalitarianism'. He probably denies the USSRs ethnic genocides.

>>138244992
And 'economic slaves'? Jesus Fucking Christ! You mean those communal peasants, who made the 80% of Great Russian population?
There was no 'proletariat' in Russia in 1917.

>>138244668
>China is one of the most powerful countries on the planet
China's only claim to power is based on the ridiculous size of their population. I mean, there are 1.3 billion of them. On a per capita basis, though, they're roughly on par with a shitty African country.

Also, China is no longer communist. They've been running a kind of strange state capitalism for decades now, which corresponds directly with their economic growth.

>>138245560
No. Their claim to fame are the 1.3 billion people that work hard for the glory of Communism. Of course something so powerful and successful would be considered "Capitalist" to outsiders. People just don't understand what a large and successful Communist society looks like in current year.

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>>138217842
The Nazis were not socialist enough.

>>138217842
Nazis were fucking socialists. However, they only took care of the able or wounded in battle.

>>138245227
And there was no industrial revolution in the context of European industrial revolution in Russia.

Russian maximalists relied on German theory - Marx obviously - of Social Democracy and on the existence of large amount of industrial workers, who there were in late 19th Century Germany, but not in Russia, not even in 1917. And almost all of the industrial workers were tied to the village, working only short season on the Peter or Moscow and can not be counted as urban population.

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>>138223369
>There's only one party though.
Not true, desu.

>>138217842
Oh look its that "historian" again
>>138224834
Yes

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>>138246115
>implying

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>>138217842
tfw you realize hitler was too liberal.

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>>138243956
>In 1940 the Nazis spent 40% of their GDP on the military, and they 50% in 1941. Whatever the workers were producing, half went to building up the military and invading and occupying other countries.
>It was a military police state that created social programs as an afterthought.
HOL UP, so u be saying Germany was spending a lot on their military DURING WORLD WAR 2? Now this really activated my almonds.

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>>138225862
>So by that logic anyone who's not an ancap should be executed right?

contain your autism to your mudhut commune and you won't get nuked, capice?

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>>138217842
>Hitler talking about saving the economically weak German nationals
>in the National Socialist party

Brainwashed NPC, this person is not even a human being with the ability to think.

>>138243956
>The Bolsheviks followed the Menscheviks in protesting for better conditions for the economic slaves of Russia's industrial revolution.
Lel. Russia was more rural that the South, less free than the South and we had a long history with agrarian socialism. It didn't work out, farmers didn't want to riot and kill the rich, so the revolutionaries turned to a new class, the proletariat.

They wanted a revolution first, then someone to achieve that goal. City faggots could do!

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>>138246747
How vague.

>>138245981
Ah, didn't realize you were a troll.
Disregard.

>>138217842
>Nazis werent socialists
>After nicking some socialist economic policies
HAHAHAHAHAHA
FAGGOT

Everything about nazi germany is socialist, they even fucking killed the capitalists

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Oh look, it's another episode of that wasn't real socialism!

>>138217842
They were obviously radical centrists.

>>138246639
>ancap telling someone else to contain their autism
Ebin

>>138246731
he prolly fat and hates himself so he identifies as a socialist and gets triggered when confronted with the fact real socialism is ugly as fuck

>>138246605
It was a war economy in debt aren't you aware, Wikipedia clearly states this

>>138217842
what a fag, should read hayek

>>138246360
The February 'revolution' was a result of agitation by the radical intelligentsia on peasants serving in Russian army, to whom they promised the 'Black repartition' to get private land repartitioned by the village communes.
The October was a coup by the gang of Uljanov, plain and simple, with zero democracy. They created shadow organizations of the proper ones - The Soviets - and allowed only Bolsheviks and 'Left' SR's in to them and claimed legimitacy, which they did not have.

>>138239073
well to be fair if you try so hard to force car company to run a program where you gib your peoples a People's Car, that they do the same shit after the war, it's hard to not think of that as a socialism

>>138246912
Of course the inferior white strawman gives up on arguing and instead settles on ad hominem. This is why you're country will fall, just as it deserves.

No, I'm not like most other Communists. I'm proud of how strong Communism can be. I won't pretend to be a victim or claim to be oppressed because now is our time to shine. It's time the rest of the world saw us for the leaders that we are. If the citizens want to stop their suffering, they must band together underneath the glorious hammer and sickle or else they will be no better than the bigoted Nazis we all hate and they will die like one. That includes you, strawman. You will be crushed like an insect beneath the boot of progress. Join or die.

>>138217842
History teacher confirms that none of the successful Socialist Democratic states are in fact socialist but made their riches on evil fascism

Good to know, considering they turned to shit when the real commies took over

>>138246997
>they even fucking killed the capitalists
Pro-tip: German capitalists were on-board. Hitler could never have realised his ambitions without the help of Krupp, IG-Farben, Rheinmetall-Borsig the Quandt family (whose daughter married Joseph Goebbels).
The idea that the Nazis were opposed to privately owned capital or wanted to disown German capitalists is utterly ridiculous and couldn't be further away from the truth.
The Nazi leadership plotted together with German capitalists to take over Europe and all truly socialist elements were disposed of during the Night of the Long Knives.

>>138247713
capitalists => jews

>>138247920
Your point being? You don't need to be anti-capitalist to hate Jews.

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>Look goy! It was just slightly different socialism from what I believe, you see, that's why it wasn't real socialism and I lump it in with you capitalist pigs!

>The difference being that Hitler believed in private property and we true Marxist socialists are even more bat shit and evil than literally Hitler.

>>138248053
i said they killed the capitalists, they did do it lad, its only that (((it happened to be the case))) that they were all jews

What definition of socialism are we using?

>>138217842

The Nazis were socialists. Anyone saying otherwise is a liar or an idiot

>>138248198
They killed the Jews, some of whom have been capitalists but not because they were capitalists but because they were Jews. With capitalists they had no issue as the counter-examples I've provided prove.

>>138217842
(((History Writer)))

>>138221872
State Capitalism isn't real. If the state owns the means of production instead of private individuals it's not Capitalism

>>138248500
well but they nevertheless killed like 90% of the capitalists didnt them

why they were killed is another question

fact is they were commie as fuck

>>138247713
Sorry sweetie but Nazis are just socialists that disagree with other socialists. When the world finally becomes a Communist Muslim utopia, you will see that all others forms of Communism and Socialism have been a lie; a stepping stone to the one true Communism. There will be a final battle between all Socialist and Communist nations and only one will remain. The Muslim Communist Caliphate. The MCC will rule the world for thousands of years unopposed because that is what the people truly want. Hitler was wrong about his Reich but was right about respecting Islam.

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>(((History Writer)))

>>13824878
lol i thought it was the MBC Muslim Bolchevik Caliphate

>>138248785

OMFG I'm so looking forward to this
Follow Snackbar!

>>138248749
Utter nonsense. German capitalists have for the most part been German, in particular if we're talking about German industry.

>>138223752

>We have created a demographic of minorities who do nothing but leech from the state.

Even though the majority of those on welfare are white?

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EDUCATE YOURSELF
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_spectrum

>>138249060
https://www.uni-trier.de/fileadmin/fb4/prof/SOZ/APO/Windolf/ZUGJewishElite.pdf

>>138248727
What if the means of production are owned by private individuals who have good contacts to the state, like in the current day US?

It was the same thing in Nazi Germany.

>>138247569
>This is why you're country will fall
His country is literally the most devoped country in whole world.
Stop it you fucking idiot.You're the one acting retarded here. Communism died in china when Mao died and Deng Xiaoping came to power.

>>138222424
>That's exactly what your government is doing with niggers. Giving them welfare so they sit tight in their ghetto, if they cut the money there will only be more and more social unrest and violence.

Its going to end one way or another. The money will run out. It always does.

>>138223211
>They weren't Marxists, but they were undeniably economic collectivists.
>This professor has an agenda.

And was based on Marxism

what a retard, there was no 'redistribution of capital' under Bolshevism. All production capital was to be controlled by the state, in order to control the people through employment. Tell the Kulaks about the 'redistribution'.

Maybe a better word would collectivism, as in the ideologies that do not allow individual freedom to conflict with what the rulers deem is the collective good and there is totalitarian enforcement of that rule.

>>138249276
Important German industry was in the hands of Germans and rightfully so.
Keeping foreigners from taking important positions within your nation is not anti-capitalist.
I can run a perfectly capitalist state but not allow certain people from doing business in it. Who says things have to be fair?

>>138249654
dont goalpost shift, they killed the fucking capitalists, they have more socialist-cred than fucking 90% of self-described commies

>>138249366
>like in the current day US
>It was the same thing in Nazi Germany.

no lad, the relationship is always there, the question is who is the bottom

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>>138243097
It hates aristocracy, its leftism, go fuck a bush

>>138249654
I have always wonder.What is national bolshevik ideology.Communist,facist or right?

>>138249800
Again: they did not kill them because they were capitalists, they killed them because they were Jews. And the counter-argument is as follows: they did not kill German capitalists. That alone logically discredits your argument and if you don't understand that it's probably because your subhuman brain is unable to think in a logical manner.

>>138250039
it doesnt fucking matter man, im not arguing that, im saying they still did it, i posted proof showing that economic elite was jewish, so they fucking did in fact get rid of the exploiting capitalist top-class, even if it wasn't even intentional

>>138250205
The Nazis plotted with German industrialists, helped them get rid of their Jewish competition and betrayed their original Socialist cause.

>>138223752
It's blatantly Marxist. Nazi Germany followed the provisions of the communist manifesto closer than any other Marxist state. You cannot deny that Hitler was motivated entirely by Opressor vs Opressed dichotomy. Hitler pretty much just took Marxism and stripped it of all "Jewish" elements, because he saw the Jews as the oppressed upper class who were preventing the German middle class from joining with the workers to create a better Germany. What's fucked up is how well that worked, compared to the revolutions in Russia and China. Honestly, that's probably got more to do with German culture and Soviet which is more collectivist than Russia, and has a stronger belief in individual responsibility than China.

>>138250360
that might be, but they still killed more capitalists that bernie sanders, so both their commie cred and help to the commie nwo was bigger

>>138250360
Yes, beautifying factories, shortening the work day and improving wages is betraying the worker. There's a reason most Germans went along with it all--most people saw great and immediate benefits, and the negatives were nebulous and far away.

>>138217842

They literally are socialists. It's in the name National Socialist (Nazi). Nazi party = The National Socialist German Workers' Party

>>138223369
>There's only one party though.
This is how much western retards know about the world.

>>138219786
>>138217842
>>138221872

here is a fun fact for all you faggots...
they even called themselves national SOCIALISTS.
funny how that's still news to people. There is no question if they were socialists or not you faggots.

>>138250700
It was all based on the promise of plunder. German industry wanted back what they lost after WW1.

Of course they weren't, the first thing Hitler did was undo labor concessions and kill union leaders

>>138217842
No of course nazis were extreme right wing, everyone knows that. Strong central planning, collectivism, cracking down on individual rights, confiscation of private property, just like Ron Paul, duh!

>>138250804
Important is not your name, important is what you do. Or is Merkel's CDU a Christian party?

>>138250039
But they killed the Jews because they identified the Jews (somewhat correctly) as the bourgiousie. They did not pick th

>>138238140
It sorta is when you talk government philosophy. You either believe in decentralization or centralization.

>>138251057
They killed the Jews because they identified the Jews as Jews and there is absolutely no doubt about it because they literally said so.

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>>138250868
Shut up fag. National socialism is socialism but your brand of socialism isn't any better

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>>138217842
>regualarly

Stopped reading.

>>138251203
It is, because people like yourself are concentrated in camps and put to work.

>>138225862
No. The reason communists are killed because they want to sieze property from people without their consent. Therefore, they are violating the NAP. This same policy applies to all people who wish to force involuntary taxation on others. However, if you want to utilize voluntary taxation in exchange for services, you can do that as long as you don't force it on others.

>>138250868
Actually no. Yes, Germans wanted back what they lost. But Hitler promised that through economic and banking reform via socialism. He then used inflation to deliver exceptionally early, which could not be maintained. The plunder was the internal plan to backfill the debt, with the fighting never made a public plan until it happened. The people thought they were getting these benefits because the system had been improved. If you hear older Germans talk, they all tell similar but different stories. Plunder was not the promise, it was the secret.

>>138250360
Hitler was 100% working with German industrialists, lowkey.
https://www.jstor.org/stable/1878145?seq=1#page_scan_tab_contents

He just put up a socialist front for the working class at the time:
>"in 1920, the German working class and the lower middle classes were saturated in a radical anti-capitalism; such phrases were essential for any politician who wanted to attract their support." - Sir Alan bullock, "Adolf Hitler: A study in Tyranny", p75.

>>138251392
I was not talking about the common German I was talking about German industrialists. They were eager to regain the territory they had conquered in WW1 and thought it would be easy to take after the poor performance of Imperial Russia a few years earlier.

>>138239032
No, that's communism, the idealized end state of socialism.

Definitions of right and left are too simple and not every ideology can be boiled down to one of the two.
Plus they mean completely different things on an economic vs a cultural level and many people confuse right and left with authoritarian and libertarian/liberal which are not necessarily bound to one of the two.
Stalin was a nationalist authoritarian communist, most modern leftist parties on the other hand are liberal socialist.
Nazis, whether you like it or not, had elements of authoritarianism, socialism, syndicalism, nationalism, fascism and authoritarianism and therefore can not be clearly assigned to one side.

>>138249366
That's the same in every one of these failed Socialist countries. It depends on what you mean by "contact." If they are working with the state and get special treatment, I'd label that an oligarchy

>>138250997
read up about the SA..
also property wasn't properly protected in nazi germany they tended to dispossess a lot of factories and realocate them in new bigger conglomerates which they turned over to friendly rich people...^^

another thing you should read about is the RAD...it was created to curb unemployement and fasten the construction of the autobahn... but people today seem to forget that even rich people were forced to participate....

>>138251189
ffs, look at the actual literature, look at What's being told--the pejorative against the Jews is always that they were the merchants, the bankers, the ones who sold the country out for profit. All of the language Nazis say about the Jews matches the language every other Marxist says against the oppressor. It is explicitly recognized in all of the pre-reich literature. If you are a communist, you are a Nazi who is just afraid to name the Jew as the oppressor. If you don't like this answer, stop being a communist.

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>>138251634
Whatever you label it, that's what the Third Reich was like.

>>138219786

That's exactly it, there are many definitions of socialism and when people say the nazis weren't socialists they take the most hardline marxist definition and then say the nazis didn't fit that. Of course they didn't, no one is saying they were revolutionary communists. They were however essentially social democrats, other then the democracy part.

>>138251619
btw how libertarians side with nazis goes beyond me.
However many libertarians dont seem that smart so that's probably why.

>>138223752
>Hitler appropriated the term Socialism, the term comrade, the colors of the Communist parties, and a ton of their language to hide their true intent when the party first formed. It was also used to recruit Commies into the party once they were gaining power.
All correct. He literally explains in Mein Kampf he did this because he wanted to agitate commies and co-opt their support where possible.

>>138251577
You are talking out your ads now, and have your history completely confused.

>>138251686
>read up about the SA..
You mean the guys who were disposed of during the Night of Long Knives?

>which they turned over to friendly rich people...^^
Exactly. The Nazis had absolutely no problem with private property as long as it was in the right hands.

>>138219786
This. Socialism was on the rise with the Nazi party, but, like our form of capitalism, it wasn't "finished" or "pure".

>History writer
That says it all, really.

>historical fact gets changed by person who writes history

>>138223670
>abolition of unearned (work and labour) income
>We demand the nationalisation of all (previous) associated industries (trusts).
>We demand a division of profits of all heavy industries.

Looks like socialism to me. All that 'history writer' and apologists are doing is calling bullshit manure.

>>138219786
Really what is a more extreme version of our corporatist integrated system here in the united states.

>>138251992
yeah... but that's basically the same.
if the state disowns in the moment you don't follow the party line you have no other choice than to do it. this in turn means you actually have no real power over your own property...

>>138251928
The truth is he took more than the name. But he was a nationalist, not an internationalist, and that's what people responded to. Likewise, Trump is a national Capitalist, and people like that, but they don't like International capitalism.

>>138251857
My point is the word "state Capitalism" is an oxymoron. If the state owns the means of production it isn't Capitalist

>>138217842
>Using socialist views doesn't make you socialist
>Having racist views is an automatic stopper from being socialist.
>National Socialism is a misnomer.
>Nazis used Corporate Welfare and had large government projects like the Autobahn.

I am glad I am not majoring in history if this is what a typical history professor looks like.

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>>138250719

From Hitler:
>Our adopted term ‘Socialist has nothing to do with Marxian Socialism. ((((Marxism))) is anti-property; true socialism is not. ((((Marxism))) places no value on the individual, or individual effort, of efficiency; true Socialism values the individual and encourages him in individual efficiency, at the same time holding that his interests as an individual must be in consonance with those of the community. All great inventions, discoveries, achievements were first the product of an individual brain. It is charged against me that I am against property, that I am an atheist. Both charges are false.”

The point is that it didn't have anything to do with international/Marxist socialism. National Socialism wasn't anti-property, they were against international capitalism and against communism, and since they nationalized their economy and central bank, they weren't controlled by debt so they could have more state power without giving it to the (((wrong people))).

>>138251794
>All of the language Nazis say about the Jews matches the language every other Marxist says against the oppressor.
And yet they had no problems with German 'oppressors' so clearly their ambition was not anti-capitalist but anti-semitic.

If you were an ethnic German industrialist you could make good business within the Third Reich - lots of people did. Look up IG Farben, Krupp, Quandt, etc.

>>138252129
Most of them are Socialist themselves and don't want to admit their failed ideology only leads to authoritarianism

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>>138233337
If Democratic by America's standards then probably yes.

>>138217842
What a moron.

He is right. National socialism is not actually socialism because they do not seize the means of production.

But militarism has nothing to do with it, and don't see what italy embracing the past or racism has to do with the definition of socialism.

Typical left = liberal religion of peace moron.

He even makes the"it isn't expansionism when we do it!" Argument

>>138252357
Yeah, but that was not the case in the Third Reich. The means of production were privately owned. It's just that the state occasionally forcefully handed the capital over to someone else in case the current owner was Jewish or otherwise unwelcome.

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http://www.historyplace.com/worldwar2/riseofhitler/25points.htm

Adolf Hitler and the German Economic Miracle
https://youtube.com/watch?v=FQu3ovIlPh4

Adolf Hitler's Economic Reform
https://youtube.com/watch?v=_r9Z-hTn1r4

Against the Mainstream: Nazi Privatization in 1930s Germany
http://ub.edu/graap/nazi.pdf

The Economic Plan of the NSDAP
https://youtube.com/watch?v=pKnFN8P21-0

Fascist Economics and Socialism of Duty
https://archive.is/7CUMq

The German State on a National and Socialist Foundation
http://archive.org/details/GottfriedFederTheGermanStateOnANationalAndSocialistFoundation

Hitler's Coup: The German War Against Globalism
https://youtube.com/watch?v=QZ7kLGYA1L4

Hitler's Economic Miracle
https://archive.is/hTgO2

>>138252064
He isn't even a writer, he's a high school teacher, a bad one.

>>138252129
That's the old program from the 20s.

>>138217842

Of course they were socialists, hitler was quoted many times as such - they had a different definition of socialism though than the degenerate bolshevists/marxists. Indeed, the founding fathers of the left/socialist movement in germany were all proud patriots, look up some of their speeches.

>>138252574
>National socialism is not actually socialism because they do not seize the means of production
Ahem. Third Reich had many 'privately' owned businesses that were private in name only. When the gummint dictates what you produce, in which quantities and at what prices it is called central planning. And that was just for stuff that wasn't nationalized.

>>138221872
>it was more a type of payment for the silence of the German people. The Nazi's were buying love as we might say.

That is the whole reason people with power want to implement socialism or at least a big welfare state... keep the people happy so that they won't revolt.

but they are socialist

hitler said capitalism was exploited by jews.

>>138243097
"We are socialists, we are enemies of today's capitalistic economic system for the exploitation of the economically weak, with its unfair salaries, with its unseemly evaluation of a human being according to wealth and property instead of responsibility and performance, and we are all determined to destroy this system under all conditions."?

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>After nicking some socialist economic policies (public works & spending), fascist government formed corporate cartels, enriching the few.

this is what's bullshit, and this is what's really hard to avoid in any kind of regime.

pro-tip: this kind of shit happened in Cuban communism as well (that I know of)

>>138217842
Nazies were socialists.

>>138217842
Hitler was a commie becaulse he treated all german equally.

>>138223670
these policies are fap material for me

>>138253308
STRASSERISM ISN'T FUCKING NAZISM YOU FUCKING RETARD. THE DUDE GOT KILLED FOR THAT.

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> history writer
Maybe it's my bad English, but it sounds like straight outta 1984.

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>>138221872
Watchout we got a freshman level sociologist here

>>138252447
The whole oppressor/oppressed dichotomy is false. It's a "no true scotsman" proposal. The Nazis prevented a lot of the self-sabotage though by having a clearly defined oppressor that could be checked in a relatively unbiased way. They did not few any German as oppressor, only oppressed. And so long as you use Marxist thought, you can define the oppressor to be whoever you want. Right now in America, because of intersectuonalitu, the oppressor is the straight white male.

>>138253312
It's literally inevitable, because the oppressor/oppressed dichotomy is false, and completely unsubstantiated. Only the

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>>138249945
> le supreme gentleman

>>138253795
Fractal genrefication--a hallmark of Marxism. Each person adds a new element to the original sketch. It gets used, the person becomes a political enemy, so is decried as a heretic; they kill him as a witch, then go on using his ideas. Hate to break it to you, but you're a marxist.

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>>138253029
>planning
utterly common for countries during wartime. and pic related

>>138217842
The diference between right and left idology is that the left is a colectivist and the right is individualist,
The marxist idology is a colectivist one based a class struggle (proletarians vs bourgeois), Musolini (that was a member of the socialist party) didnt considererd that the class fight was the best for the italian population thus creatin the facist idology where instead of class struggle is the nation vs the others, in the case of germany is not class nor nation but etnicity.

The reason why the national socialism is generaly asociated with the right is because they opposed the comunist and marxist. But in reality the doctrin is a colectivist one.
Thus is correct to say that nazis where socialists

>>138253694
To each according to his need; from each according to his ability. Literally no one has ever disagreed with this, because it is not a policy--it's an axiom. Capitalism says that this is easily determined by the free market. Marxism says it can only be done by the state. Capitalism is true, but insufficient. Marxism is outright false. State intervention always breeds more state intervention. The bigger the state gets, the bigger it must get to sustain itself.

>>138255255
Ownership is far different than conscription. Also, the chart you posted clearly shows this taking place before military action, almost as soon as Hitler came into power.

>>138255608
Isn't Marxism against the state intervention?