Why do some people say Nazism is left wing?

>national socialist party
Do they teach you retards anything in school anymore besides made up genders?

Because socialism is left wing. Hope that helps.

>>138213250
Fascism was created by Benito Mussolini who for the most part was an Anarchist. It is collectivist in nature and overall a centrist force that incorporates tenets from both the economic left and social right.
Some libertarian puritans frequently call it left wing as a result.

>>138213250
Nazis ARE Left wing! The word "nazi" means in German "national socialist"! nazis promote fascism not a constitutional republic as in America and so they fall on the left of the political spectrum. Right wing is limited government and more individual liberty and the left is more control such as with socialism/communism of any stripe.

>>138213250
Because in the US anything given to you by the government is left wing.

>>138213250
Because people here don't understand what makes the left left and what makes the right right. They'd willingly lump together socialism with socialism even though the word nation is in front of it.

>>138213779
Holy shit that is an unironkcally eloquent and informative response.

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>>138213250
Marxism is international socialism.
Nazism is national socialism.

I think it's more of the technicality that Communists/Socialists force redistribution based on the motive of equality, where Fascists don't maintain the rigid standard of equality and tend to reserve the ability to redistribute in the name of efficiency or national necessity.

This is my best guess as to why "National Socialists" qualify as Fascists instead of the textbook Communists/Socialists.

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>>138213366 checked
No!

>>138213366
Why was he against marxism?

>>138213250
People who do something new are completely lefties.

>>138213250
they're morons

>>138213250
The only reason it is considered right wing is because it is to the right of Communism, which in turn is why all Cis-White-Men (or Conservatives and Capitalists) are Nazis, because similarly, they too are to the right of Communism.

>>138213250
Because the right likes to poke at the fact that it was the "National Socialist Party", nevermind that the party put Socialist in its name only to get votes of the working class.

>>138214168
soviets wanted a worldwide socialist revolution to achieve communism

hitler wanted a worldwide socialist revolution for each national groups

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>>138213817
This. All positive rights are left wing.

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Because of the "socialist" part of "national socialist." Nazis are socialist in the sense that they want eliminate Jewish, capitalist control of our economy as a tool of national liberation and return its resources to the people.

>>138213250
>National-socialist German Worker's Party

The 25 point program was heavy on nationalisation and worker's comp, welfare etc. Nazi Germany was the world's first true welfare state. The only two other countries that had more state control over the economy were Mussolini's Italy and Stalin's Russia.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Socialist_Program#The_25-point_Program_of_the_NSDAP

>>138214096
Don't see alot of those around here anymore, do we.

>>138213250
its neither left wing nor right wing. its a mix of both.
that makes it the most powerful ( or in kike language ) dangerous ideology in the world.

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>>138214585
I believe in pic related

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>>138213250
teddy was practically Hitler for america

>>138214515
idiots like this is how history gets rewritten

>>138214892
Used to before shareblue descended on us

>>138214098
And that's why national socialism is better. It puts the needs of its country before any others. Sure it seems narcissistic but its better than the shitshow in "current year".

>>138213366
>>138213250
It was far right . It was against gays, Against ethic groups, highly nationalistic. Hitler stated his Socalism has nothing to do with Bolshevik socialism

>>138213250
Because it's called National SOCIALISM. If you took the multicultural aspect out of mainstream leftism it would be pretty much the same thing as what you guys advocate.

NS is unamerican because our whole revolution was to mitigate the influence and control that government had over our lives.

That being said I still think you guys are better than full on commies. You're halfway there with advocating for closed borders, but you need to come all the way and recognize that socialism in any form is shit and breeds resentment in hard working people.

>>138213366
>Democratic People's Republic of Korea

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>>138213250
Compared to say 1930s America, was there more or less liberty under the Nazi socialist government.

Less liberty almost invariably means more left wing. It really is that simple.

>>138213779
It's true that he was influenced by anarchism in his youth but that's also true of any present-day far-right movement who act like their struggle is the struggle of the working class (native) population. The same can't be said for his later years when he establisehed a strong nationalist authoritarian state, which unequivocally goes completely against an anarchist's doctrine and practice. Internationalists are on the left and nationalists such as Mussolini and Hitler are on the right. Deal with it.

>>138213250
why couldn't nazis even make their flag symmetrical?

>>138213250
Left wing and Right wing are meme terms. You can not put around 200 ideologies on one scale.

>>138213250

because the argument that National Socialism is economically left wing is actually pretty sound. But it's obviously culturally right wing. also we're trying to define a movement from 1930s Germany with terminology from our present day vapid and narrow political climate. The comparison is stupid.

>>138215274
>muh muh muh real (((socialism))) has never been tried before! I swear goy my brand of (((socialism))) will be the best brand of (((socialism)))

>>138215579
>because the argument that National Socialism is economically left wing is actually pretty sound. But it's obviously culturally right wing.
I agree with this

>>138215274
>far right
>against gays
So on the left, those communist and socialist countries were homosexual utopias? Stop believing nu-history anon.

>>138215585
Hello rabbi

>>138214664
This

>>138213250
Because they're Americans and have been taught political spectrum only has an x-axis of economic issues without an y-axis for freedom. Both communists and fascists are at the peak of authoritarianism which is why Americans should reject both.

>>138213817
By that idiotic logic, anarchists are far-right.

>>138215585
>I will just use echoes to show how much I am on your side.

>>138215881
They are. You aren't an anarchist you're a communist. Try taking my stuff without the help of government or a police and I'll make you into Swiss Cheese.

>>138213250
It's not left wing. The actual socialists where among the first eliminated by the Nazi's. For a short period they had so nominally social programs to Garner support but they were quickly consolidated into "nationalized" private companies (not truly nationalized) that made obscene profits. It was absolutely not a socialist regime, and if you think "it's in the name hurrr" you should look at whether north Korea is truly a people's Democratic republic, lmao

>>138213250
Because they view politics from the liberal left/ liberal right dichotomy, which views all politics as individual freedoms versus collective stability through government action.

>>138213250
Because the people who say it are right-wing and don't like the association.

For the record, I'm moderately left-leaning, and I'll totally own up to the fact that the USSR and so on were left-wing. Turns out that the extreme end of either spectrum is bad.

In other news, water is believed to be wet. More at 11.

>>138213250
lmao
its national socialism.
the same thing bernie sanders campaigned on
it's a left ideology.
the left is trying to project it onto the right
to send freedom lovers into damnation.

extreme far left leads to commie/nazi

extreme far right leads to anarchy/native american community/0 governance
full 100% right leads back to ruled by nature only.

Because Nazi economy was capitalist and had little to do with socialism, socialism was a big buzzword back then since it was a growing movement and everyone wanted to get in the wagon, among them were Strasser and his fellows (the original NAZBOL GANG), these guy were actually national socialists who aimed for the workers to own the means of production, the difference is that Strasser did not hate jews, he like Marx hated the bourgeois jews that exploited Germans, fast forward Hitler taking power of the party, he purged the left-wing side of it and killed Strasser at the night of the long knives.
Some people still adhere to the socialist side of Nazism to create their ethnostate (no niggers flooding your country since capitalists are not trying to maximize their profits) but overall the sentiment among Nazis is that of Mussolini's, which promoted class collaboration instead of class struggle.

>>138216026
I'm not interested in taking your stuff, idiot. I'm not a political commie but I'm an economical one. That makes me an anarchist.

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>>138215274
>being this retarded

hating niggers and faggots doesnt land you anywhere specifically on the political spectrum. socialist principles do, however, hence why nazism is a leftwing ideology, though it is close to the middle.

>>138213250
Socialism is left wing. Case closed.

>>138213250

Probably the "socialism" part.

Right wing or left wing, it doesn't matter. The Horseshoe Theory is true.

>>138214641
Yes people dont realise this. The Socialist part in NatSoc is what kicks out the marxists. Its a nessasary evil, if only we the public could install one of those mini neck granades from suicide squade so if mr Authoritarian gets a little to murder happy we can blow his head off and try again.

>thinking you can compare everything in a left to right-spectrum

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>>138213250

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>>138213366
They borrowed socialist policies to hide their actual extreme right agenda, this way they could get votes from the labour class. You see this way of politics in a lot of hard right populist political parties like the PVV here and Le Pens party. Trump used it in his campaign as well. In actuality these left policies don't get it to laws or they count for a certain race while the rest will be excluded.

It's all a ruse to get votes, these parties would and will never gain power with only their extreme right policies.

>>138216671
Also :
"He clearly believed that the lack of a precise economic programme was one of the Nazi Party's strengths, saying: "The basic feature of our economic theory is that we have no theory at all.""

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_Nazi_Germany#Hitler.27s_views_on_economics

National (((socialism)))
National (((socialism)))
National (((socialism)))
It's in the fucking name and my favorite part is when retarded dumb low iq national (((socialists))) try to go all like "it has nothing to do with (((socialism)))" KEK.
Fuck all you commies and (((socialists))). America will always be a democratic republic you little kikes.

>>138215881
>>138215881
>>138215881

It is right wing moron.

AnarchoCommunism is an oxymoron dipshit.

>>138217894
Bad argument since North Korea calls itself "democratic republic"

>>138215881

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>>138218134
Free market enterprise economy.

>>138217914
>AnarchoCommunism is an oxymoron dipshit.

No it's not. Economical communism isn't the same thing as political communism. Anarcho-communism is just one of the many ways that can theoratically bring about an economically communist society, but it's very different to the politically "communist" way you would be accustomed to (stalinism, NK, etc.)

>>138213250
Nazis are authoritarian, as are the Left and Commies.

>>138213250
Nazis Germany was more left-wing than the UK and France.

They had a very Keynesian economic policy with tons of gibs for workers.

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>>138218922

Am I allowed to hire people that want to voluntarily work for me in your system? Am I allowed, yes or no?

Am I allowed to accumulate lots of wealth/resources (can be salted meats for all i care), can I accumulate these resources to invest in other profitable projects? Am i allowed, yes or no?

Am I allowed to hire someone in my fishing net company and pay them a wage from the profits that we both agree upon? Am i allowed, yes or no?

>>138219161
Seriously. That's brainlet level thinking.
>>138215026

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>>138214168
Marxism is globalist/internationalist.

The Nazis wanted a form form socialism that was nationalist and ethnocentric. Much of the support for the Nazis came from the fact that people were terrorized by communist terrorists in 1919 and throughout the 1930s.

>>138214515
Citation required.

>>138219309

if he is not allowed, who is going to stop him?

a state that is not actually a state because it calls itself otherwise

leftists are obsessed with semantics

ancom is not a real thing

Because all of you fucking retards are still using the simple >LEFT TO RIGHT political spectrum like a bunch of dribbling idiots.

It's economically centrist, socially far right, and authoritarian.

>>138214613
So the Founding Fathers were leftists?

>>138218922

Anarcho = there are no rules, whatever you want is yours and you can do what you want, when you want, work how you want, make agreements with who you want and accumulate as many or as little resources as you want.

communisim = that is not yours, that item is not yours, you cannot hire that person, you cannot do that work, you are making too much, that agreement is not allowed, you cant do nothing, you cant do too much, you blahgeeraijfdkjdjfjdsragsidblahflblbbkjbkabbfj

Pick one you simple minded envious fucking moron

>>138215274
You're kidding me right?
Juan Peron was a Nazi and there was no genociding during his reign.

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>>138216671
>>138217821

>mfw I post something good for once but everyone is arguing who the true anarchists are

>>138214664
Bismarck created the modern welfare state, and openly stated he was doing so. The Nazis didn't exist then, sorry.

>>138219309
1) yes
2) no, but you're free to leave and do that elsewhere if you want. Resources are distributed according to needs in a collective. you being part of the collective means you agreed to that.
3) there is no currency in a communist society.

>>138219857
>no

who is going to stop him?

a state that does not call itself a state?

no wonder so many commies are trannies, you lunatics believe that things can become something by changing definitions of words

>>138219641
I agree with you but I think it's economically leftist.

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>>138219857
>100 million dead because of communism
>free to leave
>free to do anything

Can't wait for the DOTR

>>138216674
Anarchism as in people voluntarily agree to form cooperative entities that do things like build roads and provide healthcare right? That idea is independent of left and right, you could voluntarily cooperate to redistribute the wealth or gas the kikes.

After the economic collapse the protesters here had more power of force than the police and government so the power of the government is demonstrably not based on force but voluntary cooperation like in the anarchist ideals. We also have law protecting our language and culture meaning we are nationalists. Take it all together and a valid description of Iceland is an "anarchist national socialist democracy".

Getting stuck thinking in meaningless labels is a problem everywhere but for burgers it seems especially bad, I honestly think it has to do with the limitations of a monolingual mind.

>>138215100
Watch Teddy's video, and you're right, he's exactly like Hitler, same gestures, same frantic handwaving and expressions, he was a progressive, the starting point of Nazism.

The Nazi-ideology is actually more of a patchwork than a elaborated political or economic theory. A patchwork designed to appeal to a nation in turmoil. As such it contains certain socialist aspects and combines them with authoritarian nationalism, fascism, antisemitism (cuz of course you need a strawman) and all the racist esoteric bullshit. It's a product of its time. Which makes it all the more staggering if people still fall for this shit today.

>>138219740
>Anarcho = there are no rules.

Wrong. Rules are decided by everybody rather than by the state. There is no state, but there are rules.

>>138213250
Socialism and state cuckoldry is inherently left wing.

>>138220088

how?

Germany didnt even have a war economy until 1943

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>>138213250
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>>138213250
NEXT RIGHT WING RALLY HAS BEEN ANNOUNCED

FLORIDA HERE WE COME

thread here
>>138215412
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>>138219857

1) ok sounds good
2) what about that is anarcho, look up the definition of anarchy you fucking retard.
3) thats why I said salted meats because you communist retards just cant understand that money just a more useful/fungible version of crops/salted meats/fish/water/lumber/etc etc. I bet you morons have trouble figuring out that .5=1/2=50%

>>138220088
It had a mixed economy, was centrist and maybe a little left leaning.

Either way the >No, YOU'RE closer to nazis
argument that boomers like going on about is shit.

>>138220217

Rules that are enforced by...?

>>138216674
If you are a communist then you are not an anarchist, because there is no other to support communist values.

This is why communism has killed so many people, because most people don't want their shit stolen

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>>138220172
>cuz of course you need a strawman

Just a coincidence, goyim.

>>138220136
political communism, not economical communism. I'm not a political commie, those are too authoritarian for me.

>>138213250
because they're dumbasses who don't know history and have a confirmation bias. case in point would be the first few replies to OP. just because it's in the name doesn't make it genuine. koala bears are not actual bears. horseradishes are not actual horses.

the nazis privatized resources
the nazi war machine owed its existence to U.S. corporations
it ceases to have a collective aspect when minorities are targetted
targetting minorities is based on racism and the opposite of class consciousness
hitler straight up said they were not marxists
nazis were allied with fascist italy, which also privatized resources and mussolini gained power from the king. it was given to him by the king of italy
fascism is patently right wing
the nazis murdered socialists and put communists in concentration camps, and the brown shirts murdered socialists in the streets before the nazis.
hitler used the word socialism to try to gain popularity and get the support of leftists. the nazis were just controlled opposition

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>>138220217
Buzzwords

Kill yourself

>>138220217

>Rules are decided by everybody rather than by the state.
>Rules are decided by everybody
>Rules are decided
>Rules

Sounds like everybody = THE STATE.

Jesus, I hope you are a troll because you are too fucking stupid to actually be alive and be serious.

>>138215274
>>138215274

Are you kidding? Hitler loved gays. That whole Nazi crew was a hotbed of fuckbois. Roehm was as queer as a $3 bill, and only got offed because he decided he wanted to be bull queer.

>>138220242
lol is that why monarchs have states then? because they're left wing?

you're a dumbass

>>138220565

economical communism is what killed all those people

>>138218922
You're so fucking stupid it hurts.
Economically communism is giving the government power over the markets. If there was anarchy there would be no government. You see the problem here?

>>138220389
What do you mean? People with sticks, just as it is today.

Nazis were both leftwing and rightwing.

Fiscally liberal/ socially conservative. Left wing on economics, right wing on cultural issues like censoring art/porn, anti-abortion, anti gay etc....

>>138220565
You can't enforce communism without a government

>>138220704
communism is defined as a stateless society where the workers own the means of production you flaming retard

>>138220766

just as it is today, exactly

you just wanna create a state but not call it one for some absurd reason

>>138220841
they were not left wing on economics. the nazis privatized resources and owed their war machine to u.s. corporations

>>138213779
Fascism is not National Socialism. The two almost oppose each other.

>>138215881
Far right non-nationalists are anarchists.

>fucktard

>>138213250
It is economically left wing.

They're socialists who like white people. Still left wing.

Pinochet nationalism > NatSoc> Marxism

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>>138220928
>National Socialists
>Socialists

>>138220704
Read more Wikipedia articles.

>>138220497
I am both. Being an economical commie means I am interested in living within a society that distributes its resources according to everybody's needs. Being an anarchist means that I am not interested in forcing other people to live in that society, like a stalinist would be.

>>138220766

So the same thing as today but way worse. LMAOOOO omfg you people are retarded. I cant wait to leave this shithole with my bitcoin when you start to fuck everything up. You all just end up killing each other. It's going to be the Nazi's vs the Communists (all envious leftist retards) and all of us smart sane people are just going to leave to our 4th home in a new country. I suggest for any sane libertarian reading this to buy bitcoin so you can escape when these retards take over.

>>138220853

people cant "own" shit if there is no state

outside of the state only rule of the strong exists

do you even understand what the word "owns" mean?

You can only own things if other people recognize your right to it through a contract to be enforced by judges if violated: aka, a state

>>138213250
Its not left wing, but socialism is. But NATIONAL Socialism does not mean Socialism in an economic sense necessarily. Socialism in NS can also mean that the race adopts a behavior like a family, which is socialist in structure.
National Socialism is neither left nor right, it depends on the economics of the specific leader in charge.

>>138220848
I'm not interested in enforcing communism.

>>138213250
Fascism/Corporatism supports Trade-Unionism
>>138213817
They are not socialists you dumb fucking memeflag

>>138213250
Left wingers favor complete domination of all aspects of life by the government. The government owns everything, and decides what you can say, what you can think, what you can eat, how much of your income you keep, etc. Nazis believed in Government is ALL. Hitler himself was a vegetarian, a drug user, an atheist, and a homosexual. It doesn't get much more leftist than that.

>>138220928
Ok, then they were right wing on both.

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>>138213250
What do you want to know?
National Socialist here

>>138221089

Yea none of you morons want to keep anyone in with walls until you realize that the only way that work can get done is slave labor. If there is no incentive to work then no one works, when no one works, then people are forced to work. You must be such a broke shitbag loser i cant even imagine.

>>138221089

then there is no reason why any productive person should distribute their resources

they would just declare their patch of land independent of your state-that-I-call-not-a-state

ancoms are the dumbest people alive

>>138213250
Concentration of state power and socialism are leftist causes.
Look at Hitler's social platform and accomplishments. Literally a Leftist's wet dream.

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>>138213250
>Nazism
The word stands for national SOCIALISM. Hitler was a socialist. After the national socialist regime was defeated in WWII communists came up with the newspeak. They also pushed the national socialism to the far right corner to discredit the right.

Technically national socialism was just a soft form of socialism. The difference is that fascism maintains property right formally when an enterprise is managed by the state.

>>138213779
This is untrue. He WAS an anarchist and drastically changed his views as his grew up. His youth inspired him but mainly he was always attracted to radical politics.

>>138213250
Hitler himself did not think that the "socialism" in NS was a good idea.
They put it in there to reduce the traction of the commies.

>>138221216

then there is no reason why anyone wil give you half of their shit

>>138220217
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>>138220217

>Rules are decided by everybody rather than by the state.
>Rules are decided by everybody
>Rules are decided
>Rules

Sounds like everybody = THE STATE.

Jesus, I hope you are a troll because you are too fucking stupid to actually be alive and be serious.

>>138213366
FPBP, checked

>>138213817
Nazis do not promote fascism per se.

>>138213250
What part of "National Socialism" do you not understand?

>>138220704
I'd suggest reading the Communist Manifesto, one day. It's not that long.

>>138221117
It's communal self governing
Anyway, I don't expect lolbertarians to know/understand anything that is not written in le rothbard or rands works

Centre-Left master race (without the democracy of course)

>>138213250

Because Nazism has socialist ideas.

>>138221440
Yes, I am socialist.

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Because lefties agree with Hitler on most things.

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>>138217769
Trump is enacting trade protection laws and immigration restrictions that help native labor unions though.

>>138213250
It is far right if you fall for the mainstream (AKA jewish) version of the one-dimensional political spectrum. It is absolute nonsense. The true one-dimensional political spectrum is about how much force is being used. It doesn't watter if you think drugs are disgusting and wouldn't do them yourself if you are not in favor of banning them for everyone. This spectrum has voluntarism on the right and communism on the left. According to how much force is used, national socialism is very leftist.

>>138221573
It is not left wing, it is just called socialism, but that was just because people were interested in that kinda stuff at the time.

>>138221576

I've read it, the whole thing is incoherent nonsense from a jealous faggot. It is based on a fallacy from the start and it only gets worse and the shitpages go on.

>>138221251
>Left wingers favor complete domination of all aspects of life by the government

Thats not what left wing means, but well, you're a burger
>>138221387
>Concentration of state power and socialism are leftist causes.

socialism is when the gubbmint does things, the moar things id dus the soshalisteear it is

>>138221440
National Socialism is not socialist, but corporatist

>>138213779
>Benito Mussolini who for the most part was an Anarchist
He was a syndicalist and was fond of Bakunin's works. Later he switched to Marxism. This is an indication, that syndicalists are statists in disguise and should not be considered anarchists.

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>>138220766
>anarchist
>rule enforcement
Pick one, you tard

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Socialist_Program

>Abolition of unearned (work and labour) incomes. Breaking of debt (interest)-slavery
>We demand a division of profits of all heavy industries
>We demand struggle without consideration against those whose activity is injurious to the general interest. Common national criminals, usurers, profiteers and so forth are to be punished with death, without consideration of confession or race
>The state is to be responsible for a fundamental reconstruction of our whole national education program, to enable every capable and industrious German to obtain higher education and subsequently introduction into leading positions

Nazis were left-wing. You can't be socially left or right-wing, but for some reason nationalism is considered right wing nowadays.

>>138221698
>Democrats da real raycis xDDD

>>138213250

They are Jew loving boomer cuck public school retards......akin to idiots who use any form of Nazi or Nazism.

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>>138221089
No you aren't listening to what I say

Communism literally can't exist without violence.

A company is efficient because people are paid based on their economic value, which is a reflection of their skills, talents, experience and knowledge. Violence is the only way I could ensure that a boss is paid the same wage as a janitor, because economically it makes no sense their pay is the same.

Do you seriously think that after a hundred years of EXTREME violence from communists, that they would simply leave my capitalist town, city or nation alone? What if I privately control a forest, and this is what communists are currently in dire need for?

You don't respect my private rights, or values, so you would steal my resources.

You're either extremely naive or a liar, either way I hope you are hung

>>138213250
Economically, National Socialism is left wing. Hitler and the German Nazi Party were outspoken critics of lassie faire capitalism, especially the banking industry. The state was meant to regulate businesses with the national interest in mind. Crony capitalism, as was communism, was a tool of control used by a certain group of people.

>>138213366

Jew

>>138221579
> It's communal self governing

that is the fucking definition of a state you idiot

any communal self-governing body is a state

what is the definition of a state according to you?

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>>138215542
>all socialism has to be anarchic and globalist

Nice meme.

>>138221986
because everyone has bodily autonomy and association is entirely voluntary
>if i add a TM at the end, it's not a state

ancap logic

>>138221970

>was

:^)

>>138221519
And yet, anarchists and commies keep doing it with each other. What's their secret?

>>138221815
> Socialism is not socialist
Sure, it was not real socialism, but what is property? It is something that you control. In national socialism an owner does not control his enterprise, but the state dictates what to produce in what amounts and sets the wages. This has very much in common with real socialism.

>>138221986

It's the state when it's not him and his faggot friends in charge. It's a flower commune where everyone gets along and people eat batter and shit out cakes when him and his friends are in charge.

>>138213366
Are you clinically retarded?

>>138221970

NatSoc is Z-plane operating in 3-D piercing through the left vs right 2-D plane of oppositional paradigm fettering the average goy.

>>138221525
Self-governing is not the same as having a state decide all rules for us. It's not even close.

>>138213250
>Why do some people say Nazism is left wing?
Because it's what sells politically. Of course when the cuckservatives were with Bush it was more properly labeled right wing. They also like to conflate communism and socialism too. They say shit like " left wing fascists" now it "COULD BE" left wing, but historically it has not been. I guess it's just playing politics for various agendas at the end of the day. People also like hipster/anti-hipster-but-hipster buzzwords to repeat so they'll feel smart.

>>138221573
North Korea is officially a "democratic republic"

>>138221698

Common fake Hitler quote is always fake but real Jew is always you.

>>138222181

You do know that I can renounce my citizenship if I want to right?

Outside of Feudalism, Association with the state is voluntary

>>138222280
>if i call something socialist, it becomes socialist

>In national socialism an owner does not control his enterprise, but the state dictates what to produce in what amounts and sets the wages.

No

>>138213250
I used to think this, but then I realized that Adolf was a troll in real life. Literally! Using red and comrade and gearing it towards the workers. It was all to trick people that were falling for the communist shit into going to the meetings at first.
So with that said all you fucking NatSoc retards stop it. Just be god dam nationalists we don't need to dupe people into following the right in this country any more.
Besides American nationalism is inherently more violent when pushed to far with out the trappings of ww2 propaganda. Blood and soil? No I would rather water a trees with both of our blood if I have to. Liberty or Death?

>>138215274
lmao, if you were found out to be gay, you would do 5 years hard labor in communist Russia - i guess the communists were "right wing"?

>>138222534

Not if you are physically disallowed to remove yourself from it via bureaucratic restraining.

>>138213366

Hitler was a dictator.
So was Stalin.
They were both right wing idiots.
Read up on state capitalism.

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>>138222340
Goyim on left right are all subhumans.

>>138215542
That simply isn't true. The left can be just as nationalistic as the right. If anything nationalism is completely separate from the right and left, and is more of spectrum in and of itself containing two different ideologies. Either you believe in sovereign States/countries or you don't.

>>138222645

You are weak and fat.

>>138221089
Yeah, you don't force them to live in your society, you force them to live in a gulag.

You're a retard.

>>138222379

How is you telling me that I have too much salted meats not a STATE. Please explain that to me.

Also, the fact that you have ANY RULES AT ALL MEANS YOU ARE NOT ANARCHIST.

Look up the definition of ANARCHISM YOU FUCKING MORON!

belief in the abolition of all government and the organization of society on a voluntary, cooperative basis without recourse to force or compulsion.

Please explain to me what you are going to do if I have a fishing net factory and I am rich as fuck, what are the consequences for me? Tell me what you would do to me?

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>>138215274
The amount of shills here is concerning. What I've learned from my few years on /pol/ is that if you want a successful society you need male competition in the workforce, an emphasis on isolationism immigration wise unless those applying for citizism are top notch, eugenic selection like Iceland is currently doing with autism to prevent societal decay by disease, a charasmatic male leader to motivate the workforce, limited government interference regarding taxation unless under threat from foreigners, and an emphasis on morality based on religion in order for society to convey to women how special and important their role is in society to produce healthily functioning children.

Pic is of some pussy I got sent recently

>inb4 4chan neckbeards ever get pussy, stupid faggot.

The left/right dichotomy isn't as real as most people think. Its mostly just a general guideline.

>>138222379
> Self-governing is not the same as having a state decide all rules for us

do you plan to live with mind clones of yourself?

because otherwise there are people that are going to disagree with some of the rules you make

your communist nonstate seems to be only able to have one member: yourself

you will have to redistribute yourself to yourself

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>>138222721

Public school failed you.

>>138222514
One of the main Nazi Party platforms was the abolition of (((usury))).

>>138222721
>They were both right wing idiots.
It depends on how we define the left and the right. The socialist idea was a mix of both. They wanted to achive left ideals such as freedom, prosperity and science with the means of the right - a hierarchical command and control system, an ideology as religion and to suppress the market.

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>>138222747
I can not relate to lost subhumans.

>>138222951

Please explain to me what you think the MOST LEFT system of government you can think of is, please explain it or give me one example.

because "hurr national-SOCIALISM hurr, fucking commies hurr". There is nothing inherently left-wing about a planned economy or the idea of a society having a strong backbone through the state, the left or the right are defined by worldview, values, such as order, country, equality, etc. This retarded Nazis were left-win meme needs to end.

>>138213250
They don't know their left from their right.

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>>138215702
>>138216899
>>138222672
Whats up on you all focusing on gays. It was just one of examples. Nazis were ultra nationalist, Christiam and fought against left soviet union. Nazis are literal definition of far right. Just because there is socalist in name doesn't mean they are connected to left wing
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AnBZ4UToLwQ

>>138222851

It's totally real in practise it is the very method the Jew uses to grind out profit it occupies at the axis by offsetting them like slaves pushing round a millstone. They are technically pushing against each other.

>>138213366
he privatized more than anyone else

>>138222233

They're bathhouse faggots like you?

>>138222844
That's somehow an incredibly disappointing picture you got there

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>>138223202
According to autistic Marxist dogma, it would be no government, but a collection of trade union tribes.

I'm not dumb, lefties.

>>138223206

Left = more government

Right=less government

This is not fucking heart surgery.

>>138223202

Pol Pot.

>>138213250
Because it literally is

It's a white parasitic welfare state

>>138213250

"It is not Germany that will turn Bolshevist but Bolshevism that will become a sort of National Socialism. Besides, there is more that binds us to Bolshevism than separates us from it…. I have always made allowance for this circumstance, and given orders that former Communists are to be admitted to the party at once. The petit bourgeois Social-Democrat and the trade union boss will never make a National Socialist, but the Communist always will. "

"The party is all-embracing. It rules our lives in all their breadth and depth… There will be no license, no free space, in which the individual belongs to himself. This is Socialism… Let them then own land or factories as much as they please. The decisive factor is that the State, through the party, is supreme over them, regardless whether they are owners or workers. "

"After all, that’s exactly why we call ourselves National Socialists! We want to start by implementing socialism in our nation among our Volk! It is not until the individual nations are socialist that they can address themselves to international socialism. "

"I have learned a great deal from Marxism as I do not hesitate to admit… The difference between them and myself is that I have really put into practice what these peddlers and pen pushers have timidly begun. The whole of National Socialism is based on it… National Socialism is what Marxism might have been if it could have broken its absurd and artificial ties with a democratic order. "

-Adolf Hitler

>>138222882
Communism is possible and exists in the form of religious communes for ages.

>>138222764
I was talking about economics rather than politics. Right-wing usually advocate for strong "patriotic" economy and borders, left-wing for the putting of resources together with other states/communities/ethnicities etc. But otherwise you're right, there are a lot of politically left-leaning revolutions that united people over nationalistic ideals.

>>138223433

I wish he would do it with a chainsaw.

>>138215274
>against gays, Against ethic groups
Oh apparently that's automatic right-wing now.

Okay guys, we just found out communism is right-wing!

>>138213250
It's a retarded argument used by cuckservatives, similar to 'democrats are the reeeeal racists'. No one takes it seriously. In their idiotic paradigm of right = less goverment vs left = more government it sorta makes sense, but that's a 90 IQ dolt's understanding of political history.

The right is about tradition, nationalism, religion, hierarchy, family, customs, masculinity, patriarchy, responsability etc

The left is deconstructionist, utopian, egalitarian, anti-religious, anti-tradition, anti-nationalism, anti-patriotism, ant-family, anti-nature, anti- everything that has held society together.

Viewed in this paradigm, the National Socialist regime in Germany was very much a right wing regime.

The retards who call NatSoc leftist also get confused by the word "socialism". It's just a word that was very fashionable at the time, has nothing to do with the modern cultural marxist understanding of socialism. North Korea has "Democratic People's Republic" in it's official name, doesn't mean it's democratic or a republic in the modern Western understanding of it.

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>>138213366
>Do they teach you retards anything in school anymore besides made up genders?
Newer generations are fucked. Even when school was a joke in my day the History channel actually showed history but now its all ancient aliens and ghost stories.
They have nothing other than the internet now.

>>138213250
>taxed the uperclass
>spun narrative in need baste on race/religion
>government funded all business and owend most means of production
>run by vegan, pro drug, failed artist
>funding alternative medicine
>used art and fashion to rally the young
>"we are the special ones"

Only difference between leftys now and nazis then is that (German) nazis like what they were and the current left hates what they were and are
And that Hitler wanted (what he viewed as)people to better themselves not castrate themselves

>>138223398
that does not make sense even in the american concept

the right defended segregation and protectionism until the neocons arrived

>>138223370
Considering I'm a 5 out of 10 at best like 50% of males in the US, I have to work with what I've got. Womens standards are insane these days fur to social media for reasons discussed a million times on here.

>>138223202
Anarcho-Communism

>>138222965

Hitler warned about the two Capitalisms....Interest Capitalism and Bolshevik Capitalism. Compounding debt used as a lever against the general welfare and the forced redistribution of wealth via class protection bureaucracy.

>>138221573
koala bears are actual bears then. horseradishes are actual horses. got it.

>>138222764
>The left can be just as nationalistic as the right

EAM/ELAS was the armed military wing of the Communist party of Greece in ww2, and they were driven by deep nationalist sentiment.

>>138222951
Name differences between Soviet Russia and Nazi Germany.
example:
Tell us what happened to critics of hitler.
Tell us what happened to critics of stalin.

>>138223403
Define what a dictator is.
Then explain why pol pot hitler and stalin are not dictators.

>>138223814
Due*

*polite sage

>>138214168
Why are socialist today against nazis?
>same reason they disagree on who to purge

>>138223433
>>138223433
religious communes have hierachies and a self government

communism is not real

>>138223257

Black Poper ultra faggot = you.

>>138223433
>138222470 ▶>>138213250 (OP)

Religious communes are governed by an authority. They'll sanction you if you step out of line. Some will kill you. You're right.

>>138223636
>cultural marxist understanding of socialism

Just say marxist.
Also, Nazbols and Strasserists see that as true socialism as well. It makes sense that it is the official definition

>>138223636
>The right is about ideological bullshit

The Socialist regime in the USSR and North Korea were more right than Hitler's regime.

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>>138223857
>come-up with a very good economic system that excludes globalist bankers
>"OY VEY, SHUT THIS DOWN IMMEDIATELY!"

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>>138213250

>>138223415
the nazi war machine owed its existence to u.s. corporations you dumbass

>>138223415
the nazis privatized resources you dumbass

>>138223905

Fuck off community college.

>>138213250
Big government will never be right wing.

>>138213817
It wasn't real socialism.

>>138223595

Let me make this easy for you since you are very confused about this whole right/left, more gov/less gov thing.

All the way left = all/more rules = all the wayyy means complete government control of all aspects of the public, market and personal life

All the way right = the opposite = no/less rules = all the way right means complete anarchy, you can do whatever, wherever, whenever. Dont like the guy, you can kill him with no official reprecussions but his son might just hunt you down with no consequences, watch out.

0 = all the way right = no gov = less rules
10 = all the way left = big gov = more rules

Trump = less market control + more social control = 5 on the gov control scale

Hillary = more market control + less social control = still a fucking #5

>>138224262

monarchies are not right wing?´

then right wing governments have never existed, as libertarian governments haven't

>>138224249
excellent argument habibi

>>138224262
Nazi Germany had a big government.

>>138224147
>predictable reply of a 90 IQ dolt

>>138223398
>Left = more government

>Right=less government

>

>

>>138224168

Of course and of course the Americans believe silly folklore about their revolution being driven by muh taxation when it was driven by the banning of colonial scrip.

>>138223751

Then they weren't "right" they were just shitheads.

The spectrum is obvious, no matter how much politicians or socialists want to confuse the message.

Please Kim Jong, bring the sacred nukes to our fair lands and free us!

>>138224189

Another retard.

>>138224307
>All the way left = all/more rules

It's exactly the opposite.
You go all the way left - you end up abolishing government.
You go all the way right.
You're essentially living in a prison.

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>>138223636
I'm just saying that NatSoc Germany had a left-leaning economy and very nationalist/traditionalist societal policy.

I'm not trying to demonize it for those positions, or trying to put NatSoc under some specific normie label.

>>138224411

I own a small Hitler watercolour I purchased with my Confirmation loot. You are a whingeing clown.

>>138224535
Right = worshipping Jews
Left = worshipping Jews
Aryanism = not worshipping Jews

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>>138213250

Subversion of Catholic social teaching by Jews who brainwashed people into thinking the only alternative to Communism is free markets so they can practice usury. As a result, goyim have been conditioned to think any government regulation of economies is left wing.

>>138224640

Oooook in your all the way left city, am i allowed to accumulate as many resources as i possibly can? Am i allowed to hire anyone to do anything i want?

Because i know that anarchy is on the right and there is no one in any official sense to stop me from doing those things.

So, lets keep it simple, are there any rules in your "abolished government" society? yes or no?

>>138224790
>the Soviets were right-wing

Yes the soviets were right wing
so were the Nazis

>>138224640
>You go all the way left - you end up abolishing government.
not economically. You go full communist and you need a strict authoritarian government to control and distribute resources.

The full name of the Nazis is the National Socialist German Workers Party. Socialism is left wing and no right wing party would call themselves a workers party.

>>138224843
Pretty sure Strasserism and Nazbol are still on the left

>>138214168
>Why trotskists were against stalinists
>Why maosists were against marxist-leninists
>Why socialists X were against socialists Y

>>138223398

Thats how you retarded Americans define the left or right in your idiotic country. Was Pinochet's regime left-wing or right-wing in your books? Are you gonna tell me now that the Soviets were right-wing I'm not going to allow myself to be lectured on political science by someone whose country still uses imperial and spends more on the military than healthcare.

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>>138225145
Pic related

The problem is that you people try to put the political spectrum into a one dimensional space. But it has at least 2 dimensions. Descrimination against any minority group is seen as right wing while economically the lack of governmental influence is also seen as right wing. National Socialists want governmental influence on the market (for the sake of the nation) while beeing against minorities like jews, gays, gypsies and whatnot. So on one dimension they are left on the other right.

>>138225045
at least he realized how idiotic he was

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>>138214168
Oh my word either you're retarded or twelve or both! Long story short Bolshevism. That's why! He was a man who stood up for the world. The first but not last see pic.

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>>138213250
After WWII, Jews took over the right -- which is about statism and authority -- and made it neoliberal.

>>138224756

Things that didn't work or were generally unpopular were abandoned without fingers being pointed...it was a very agile structure. Technology was driven by real need vs. the world today where sheep line up for me-phones just because "reasons" and it is important live action location news.

>>138224640

>You go all the way left - you end up abolishing government.

North Korea


>You go all the way right.
>You're essentially living in a prison.

South Korea


Do you think with your brain or are you just a robot parrot.

>>138215585
Hello fellow (((white person)))

>>138225268
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>>138225268
>>138225268

>>138225113

You are poor and fat.

>>138225080
>>138225015
Authoritarianism is a strictly right wing characteristic.
It is impossible to be left wing and authoritarian.

>>138225370
>North Korea

Another dictatorship

>South Korea

How is south korea to the far right?

>>138213250
Because it demands a certain moral standard from it's citizens for them to reap the benefits. Freedom is something that is earned not something that is given to you at birth.
True freedom comes from the strength and determination to do what you feel is right despite the ruling governance, not because of the ruling governance. In other words it's a state of mind that is nurtured rather than a set of laws.

>>138225236

Soviet systems are hard left philosophy enforced by hard right dominance mechanisms.

>>138215274
>Hitler stated his Socalism has nothing to do with Bolshevik socialism
And Lenin stated that he likes Mussolini's fascism.

>>138213250
Hitler's goal was to unite the right and left against the globalists.

>>138225298

Leo Strauss was a fucking faggot.

>>138224843
Do I care if there is a government?
Do I care if there is a lot of government?
The basis of these are found on a single thought, itemism.

>>138213250
Because they just think that right wing = free market.

This is wrong.
Left wing = equality
Right wing = hierarchy
Fascism, National Socialism, and similar ideologies are far-right because they're all about embracing the natural hierarchy and working from that perspective. Marxism is left wing because it seeks to break everything down and make everyone "equal".

>>138225556

Far left wants extreme control of markets and redistribution of wealth, this would require a shitload of government and often leads to a totalitarian state.

Far right wants an extremely free market, a weak government, less rules and often leads to prosperity like in south korea.

Let me make it simple.

More rules and regs = more gov = country gets worse.

Less rules and regs = less gov = country gets better.


Do you want more rules and regs or less rules and regs? its not a difficult question

>>138225802
>natural hierarchy

wtf does that even mean?

>>138225802
National Socialism has no economical policy only peopleism.

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>>138213250
Because Nazism is basically IDENTICAL to a 1984 - type system which is obviously criticizing authoritarian leftism.

>>138219675
The Bill of Rights is left wing yes. Being a social contract it's up to the people to accept or reject.

>>138225651

Hitler's socialism = productive output of nation benefits natives first and finance Capitalism last. His direct barter intrasovereign structure was like sunlight to bloodsucking Jews because there is no margin or middle to be skimmed.

>>138225802

You dont think that the extreme amounts of force required to enforce equality would create a hierarchy?

>>138213250
it's politically right wing and economically centrist

>>138225802

NatSoc = glory of the nation death of the state.

>>138215881
Anarchists are far right idiot

>>138216777
>ancap
>hitting people for free speech
LOL

>>138226048

Enforcement is the monkeywrench in all this.

>>138226252
That said the bill of rights include a lot of negative rights.

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>>138226048
>>138225556
A more accurate description of the debate between you to would be "de jure" versus "de facto".

de jure communism = anarchic trade union tribes

de facto communism = "vanguard parties" that take control of the state and capital in order to create "anarcho-communism" but never let go of their power.

Also, it's reasonable to assume that egalitarianism would be hard to maintain without a state anyway.

>>138226251

You = dumb and most certainly aesthetically challenged.

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>>138213250
The red band on the left arm is a symbol of left wing revolution.

>>138213250
really? its cuz theyre fucking fa66ots

>>138226604
You're stupid as fuck. 1984 = Nazi Germany

>>138226880
FUNNY AS FUCK STUPID KIKES

>>138226655

Send this to all your Faceberg friends you risible boomer tier dimwit.

>>138217769
Natinal-Socialists borrowed ideological right-wing bullshit to hide their radical left economical approach.

>>138226880

Everyone is Hitler even my mum! Bang your diseased melon against a wall until blind faggot...it will yield an improvement.

>>138226048
>Far left wants extreme control of markets and redistribution of wealth, this would require a shitload of government and often leads to a totalitarian state.

Again, what you are describing is pretty much the ussr. The ussr was not a leftist state.
The second a state turns totalitarian is ceases to be left wing.
Left wing is against political correctness and utterly in favor of absolute free speech.
Totalitarian dictatorships like the ussr and nazi germany enforced brutal and unforgiving laws against free speech, and encouraged the destruction of all material that opposed the regime (art, literature,etc).

You are also limiting yourself by approaching the issue from a strictly economic perspective.

>>138227160

Another tied for last place winner you are.

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>>138227392
>a book literally made to demonstrate what will happen to England in 30 years if Hitler wins the war
>hurr don't call everything you don't like Nazi
You're literally mentally ill

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>>138213817
>but muh left right spectrum
natsoc is syncretic politics. pic related should elucidate.

>>138227615

Cry more taxpayer school wreckage:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=679GFNZGow0

>>138222210

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1XyUQ7xmAU4

>>138227800
>he thinks im going to listen to a hitler speech
Cry more nazi scum

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T30T-F5anRI

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strength_Through_Joy

Is she, dare I say it, /our girl/?

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>>138227942
I have nothing to do with you or America.

>>138227942

1984 written after the war the (((City)) won...it's about our future under muh big bad nazeeeeeees! Your mirrors despise you coward.

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>>138214168
Because the world isn't black and white and people on the same end of the political spectrum often disagree

Collectivist niggers neck yourselves.

>>138228272

What kind of faggotry are you pushing with that imagery, shill?

>>138216674

>I'm not a political commie but I'm an economical one. That makes me an anarchist.

That's not Anarchism. Economic communism is communism. Anarchism (the free grouping of individuals towards a common cause) is Anarchism.

I've watched for just over a decade the Anarchic circles be slowly infiltrated by communists, socialists and feminists. These groups are not the embodiment of Anarchy but the opposite. They only seek to adopt some Anarchic tactics and symbols to achieve their end goals.

Anarchy means total freedom to do and say whatever you want provided that no direct physical or material harm is being done to another. Antifa is not Anarchic despite adopting the colours and symbols, they are fascists.

>>138215100
You shut your whore mouth commie fag

Like a straight wire with perfect gain:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_0V_xf3OQgM

Why don't people recognize that all the edgy extremist groups are republican now?
>Neo nazis
>KKK
>/pol/
They all suck Trump's meme flavored dick, why don't peopl see that?

>>138220585
>no TRUE scotsman
KYS faggot.

>>138228432
That I have nothing to do with you or your neaningless papers, negroid Amerindian.

>>138228272
Reagan was the most pro-family person ever and he was an American conservative. He signed the "National Minimum Drinking Age Act" Requiring a Federal 21 year old drinking age. You should look into American conservatism because what i named is just one of many based things conservatives do. Conservatives are anti-degeneracy

>>138228274
>your mirrors dispise you coward
What are you talking about mirrors?

>>138228432

GLP tier gayness right here.....a petri dish overflowing with Jew AIDS the post.

>>138215026
Horseshoe is so retarded. X,y spectrum is far more accurate

>>138228849
reagan destroyed america

>>138228849
Conservatives are tools of degenerate Jews.

>>138220585
That's all socialism you IDIOT dumbass you know no history with your confirmation bias. Nazis were anti-ancap.

>>138213366
You know like, Hot Dogs are dog meat...

>>138226333
Which is why the marxist utopia fails. Because hierarchy is natural and attempts to make every equal never work.

>>138226065
Humans naturally form hierarchies that work together. Everyone is NOT equal, but we all work toward a common goal of our folk as a whole.

If you want to know more, just look up the origins of the left-right dichotomy from revolutionary france, with the republicans on the left and the monarchists on the right.

>>138217769
You're fucking moron. National Socialism is left wing. NSDAP is on the other hand national socialist/fascist. Coming to think of it it still is left wing.

Left wing in an abstract political context refer to a party's economic practices. It has now offshot faultily to represent social construction.

>>138229078
Conservatives stand up for family values, anti-drug, anti-prostitution, Christian values, American health, and anti-porn. Meanwhile the Nazis were drug addicts, enforced a eugenics cuckoldry system where you'd have to let aryans sleep with your wife and you have to raise their child. They had sex-camps in teenage Hitler youth programs, they ran sex slave brothels in poland. They were the most degenerate fucks on the planet.

>>138213250
because the political spectrum is a single axis line and to have national socialism seperated from communism on opposite ends, you need to have more than one metric determining definitions, which doesn't work at the fundamental level of a single axis

if the political spectrum was a single axis with a single metric as logic dictates, it would have something like more government on one side, and less government on the other- this would make much more sense. In this system, National Socialism is government heavy and would placed to the left of western democracies close to communism.

>>138217769
Trump turned out to be a far-leftist though.

>>138228849

Conservatives have conserved nothing and Reagan wasn't even running your country after Bush tried to have him killed. It's funny when pleb tier television casualties like yourselves believe your perception matters rather than your predicable obedience to election agitprop.

>>138219310

Seriously, you're too retarded to even be called a brainlet, fag.

>>138229374
Conservatives stand for rallying up the opposition to Jewish rule to tertiary things such as "non degeneracy".

>>138229248

House of Saud = Yahudim.

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>>138215274
You're either a special kind of stupid, or a shill

>>138229594
Funny since you believe whatever skinheads tell you, it's sad. I actually reserach this shit, you just read whatever you hear from skinheads at school

>>138213250
Nationalsozialismus = National socialism
Nazism is authoritarian, that is why people conclude it is left wing.

>>138213250
Economically speaking, Nazi's were left wing. The "Socialist" bit. All means of production and wealth distribution were centralised and controlled by "the authority" in Nazi Germany, the authority was a dictator.

Hitler and his policies however, were centre right. The "National" bit.