Communism

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bullshit, expropriation as a concept is greedy and evil no matter who the people in charge are.

>>138189892
I will give you this, in theory it is perfect. But, since we are not a collectivist species it will never work and be one of the shittiest things a country can do to itself. In a thousand years when we are the Borg, definitely worth taking for a spin again.

>>138189892
The industrial revolution was very hard on society and yes, monopolies formed and people were exploited, but communism isn't going to fix that shit. Communism just wants to remove the coorporate power structure and religion aswell, so only one remains... the state

>>138189892
>Can we just all agree communism wasn't that bad of an idea to start off with

no, its utopian dogshit and it made specifically to create brutal dictators who must go after "counter revolutionaries" its a bloody secular religion

>>138189892
>Can we just all agree
No.

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>>138189892
>It was made for hardworking men
It was made by and for jews. The working class was just the first group they tried to divide and conquer from their own nations. Now it's feminists, blacks, homos, muslims. It was never about the working class and everything about forcing equality for jews and destroying the nation state. That's not in anyone's interests but jews.

>>138189892
Communism was an honest and serious attempt to respond to modernity. It was reevaluated in the 60's and 70's. Western Marxists revised the theory away from empiricism, deciding that empirical analysis of history and society was wrong, and switched from liberating human being from class to individualist liberation, which is basically reductio ad absurdum liberalism, which is why the two (marxism and liberalism) were able to combine into the New Left.

Chinese Marxists decided to remain empiricists and revised Marxist theory based on the failures of the 20th century, particularly the weakness of the labor theory of value used as a pricing mechanism. They switched to market economics which had been proven empirically to work, but kept the peoples' democratic dictatorship.

Modern liberalism is on a trajectory toward distruction. ChiComs may survive longer in modernity, and may have even found a viable long term system.

>>138189892
Communism is cancer. Like you

>>138191202
It fails because Realz > Feelz

>>138189892
It's been recognized as early as Plato that communism is unsustainable. Eventually human nature, man having a natural desire to acquire, will topple any regime, no matter how noble or utopian at outset.

People crave difference, recognition, and superiority. Communism does not allow for that.

>>138191454
Pretty much. It's amazing that it's controversial among western Marxists now--the whole point of Marxism is that it's a materialist theory of history. I doubt I could find 5 people in a crowd of Antifa who think realz > feelz. Postmodernity is about feelz. Modernity is about realz.

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ANTIFA HAS PERVERTED ONCE GREAT COMMUNISM

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That picture is a lie. Stalin opposed degeneracy because he was ruling actual communist country and had to take care of its stability and economics. Degeneracy is designed to destroy societies and prepare them for revolution.
It already happened before revolution in Russia - read about Alexandra Kollatai
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexandra_Kollontai

>>138189892
What's the original painting of Stalin looking shocked here?

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>>138189892

The fact that Communist revolutions have all failed and decayed into genocidal cluster fucks of mass starvation and concentration camps is not because "true communism has never been tried" it's because the goals of Communism as stated in Marx and Engels' manifesto are so fantastically impractical and utopian that every attempt to implement it is destined to fail spectacularly.

>>138191975
No no, this that we're witnessing is the ability of a controlled media to dictate the opinions and views of masses. Everything that is being set up and controlled through them will ultimately fail because it is unsustainable, and then when everything is going to shit, everyone will run towards daddy government to fix everything, ushering in a new state of something similar to totalitarian socialism.

>>138192146
>once great

Was that before or after it caused millions of deaths?

>>138192448
Communism will always fail because of their innate ability to not comprehend how economics works, and why it's important.

>>138189892
At its core it's a terrible idea that promotes laziness, lack of innovation and progress. It doesn't ever develop into anything meaningful.

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>>138192808
Stalin can't control the weather

>>138189892
>twisted by dictators and modern day degenerates for their use

Yes. And that's the problem. Evil people will always seek power. Corruption is going to happen. Therefore your system needs to have some kind of inherent defense against them. Communism does just opposite- it sets the stage for these people. It is too easily undermined.

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>>138189892
No. Communism is a slave religion promoted by international financiers to create good credit goyim. Evil by design.
OP is a goblin.

SHOO SHOO GLOBALIST JEW

>>138192448
>. Stalin opposed degeneracy
No one here said the contrary, my friend. The New Left is degenerate and see part of themselves communists or successors to it.
>>138191202 / >>138191454 / >>138191975 are good posts

>>138192871
You have your ideological preference, and that's fine, but don't underestimate the intellectual flexibility of the likes of the Chinese communists. It was a HUGE deal that an officially Marxist government reevaluated the labor theory of value, and embraced markets as a pricing mechanism. Western liberals want to think that this was a sign that they were becoming more western or something, but they arrived at the consensus by appealing to Marxist empirical principles, not by appealing to liberalism.

>>138189892
What shown on your pic is exactly what communism is. Stalin was left-wing fascist.

>>138189892
Communism was always a shit idea.
It never considered humans can be defective.

>>138189892
My country lived under it. When it collapsed 1 person in two looked like an Ausxhwitz survivor. It was garbage and will always be.

>>138194168
Auschwitz*

>>138189892

Anything based on equality is evil.
It will always fail. It will always kill.

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>>138189892
>>138191202
>>138193962
https://mises.org/system/tdf/Economic%20Calculation%20in%20the%20Socialist%20Commonwealth_Vol_2_3.pdf?file=1&type=document

>>138195176
"Each to his ability..." implies human being all have different abilities. And Marxists debated whether you can skip the primary stage of socialism (which is basically capitalism), and the attempts to do so are what caused the disasters of the 20th century. Current orthodox materialist Marxists have concluded that you can't skip the primary stage of socialism, which is why China allows for markets, and doesn't believe in equity. The democratic capitalist west believes more in equity now than the communist east. It's those calling themselves "liberals" today who are fighting for equity. Meanwhile China has merit-based national testing and admittance, and they absolutely hate nepotism and when party officials grease the wheels for their kin. Neither system is perfect, but WE are the ones obsessed with equality and equity in the here and now, not the communists.

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>>138196945
>ctrl-f "china"
>1 of 1
>ctrl-f "chinese"
>1 of 1

Zero analysis of Dengist Socialism with Chinese characteristics aka "state capitalism". Yes, we all know the Soviet Union was a failure. Would you care to address 21st century economics and politics? Do you think wester free market capitalism can survive western liberal democracy? If now, what does that say about liberal democracy?

>>138189892
>stealing peoples money so everyone can be as shit as the lowest members of society isn't a bad idea

Leave

>>138189892
>Can we just all agree communism wasn't that bad of an idea to start off with
No. Even in theory it's a really bad idea. A better proposition: "Do I think Das Kapital and the Communist Manifesto were well written?" The answer to that is yes. The books themselves were well written, the theory is dogshit.

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>>138189892
kill yourself kike

>>138193876
new left are just marxists before revolution
>>138192871
Marx knew that and he actually wrote about "forced labour"

>>138189892
Bad idea start to finish

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>>138189892
>flag
>1PBTID
saged

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>>138189892
No, it was a criminal ideology from the start based on lies. That is why it is doomed to fail every time it's tried, in every variation that can be devised.

It sounds great in theory which is why some people are drawn to it particularly emotionaly driven people, but impossible to implement in the real world because it goes against human nature and god