Why don't Americans just migrate to a 1st world country?

>Pay 32% tax
>receive ''free hospital''
>indian doctors
>wait list
>bad quality generic brands
>call it superior
Welfare was a mistake

>Number of Islamic terror attacks since Trump's inauguration
>USA: 0

>>138170586

So in your country, your health care system managed to kill more people than Islamic terrorism?

Now that's a ringing endorsement lmao

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>>138170586
you dont think that has anything to do with physical proximity to the mess you idiots made in the middle east.?

also explain this

>>138170434
Thanks, Obama!

>>138171060
This

>>138170434
They're all full of niggers now

>>138170434
We like our guns and self defense laws. Bill of rights.

>>138170722
>kill
>bankrupt
you're an idiot

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>>138170434
Our obesity rate is too high to have socialized healthcare. It would suck our healthy people dry. /thread

>>138170434
Bankruptcy is just a second chance. Often more profitable than paying shit off, and a way to get free stuff

>>138170434

Tell that to the Mexicans and assorted others sneaking in through the borders. Our stuff ain't free, go to Germany or Canada.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/migrants-flood-canada-roxham-road/

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>>138170722
>>138170434
are you fucking retarded? Obama spent the last 8 years raping the US. now Trump cant even pass his health care bill. meanwhile in germany

>>138170434
>Netherlands
>0

this is total fucking bullshit
we have a TV show about debt collection, and very oftenly it's medical related
peoples cars being towed away etc

>>138170434
Yeah look how great that authoritarian socialism is working out for all those countries.
>must import third world workers to sustain welfare state
>children raped
>Multicultural enrichment
>Facebook literally gets people jail time

No fuck off Commie faggot. No one wants your single payer bullshit.

>>138170434
Don't Germany and Switzerland have a similar mandatory insurance policy like Obmacare?

Hold on a minute now...

I'm pretty sure the people taking out private medical expenses to actually get chemo before they die waiting for it with the NHS in the UK are the ones the cancer helpline adverts/banks over here are talking about when they mention "financial hardships"

>>138170832
niggers and spics, easy one cucklord

>>138171060
That meme will outlive any part of his "legacy"

>>138170434
Be a good German goy and don't have kids, so your thrash genes wont be passed on.

Graphic is wrong. post is fail. Die tonight please

>>138170434
Yeah, why don't they? That question should be in your mind every time you're watching your government controlled media telling you how great Europe is and how there's absolutely nothing wrong.

>>138171392
why do people think national healthcare will magically cost more money? The entire argument for having it is the collective bargaining power to drive down health care costs. The US pays twice what anyone else does per capita.

>>138170434
Here's a better Question OP......
Why in the fuck do kraut's, niggers, spics and the rest of you assholes, all wanna come to the USA ?

>>138173572
Healthcare is a superior good, rich people pay percentagewise more. You know which countries spend very little on healthcare (as %of GDP), shitholes like Hungary, Poland.

>>138173716
The US pays twice what anyone else does in the entire world. We dont have twice the life expectancy, we dont even have the highest life expectancy.

Obviously we can get superior care via single payer. We just have to copy any of the existing systems that are already providing higher life expectancy.

>>138170434

>Netherlands
>0

I doubt this. Healthcare is not free in the Netherlands, despite North American memers that misunderstand our system saying it is. Health insurance is manditory, and there are annual deductibles (the first €385,- you spend on healthcare, with the exception of GP visites are for your own cost. This is the legal minimum. You can voluntarily raise that to €885,- in exchanger for a lower monthly premium. I have this, as I virtually never need care, and if I do it costs less than €385,- anyway, so I pay for it regardless).

Because of the way this system works, people are held liable for the cost of their own healthcare if they are not insured in spite of the legal requirement to do so. I'm sure it's rare, but I would be very surprised if there were not a handful of retarded and/or stubborn people going bankrupt because of this every year.. Not to mention the really sad cases of people going bankrupt or getting in financial trouble because they do not plan for their annual deductible, and live paycheck to paycheck. A €300+ unforseen expense CAN push some people over the edge, though in those cases you're talking about the last straw in an already problematic situation.

>>138170434
NHS cancer survival rates suck compared to those of the US

so you could get shitty rationed free treatment, or expensive life saving treatment

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Which of these operates most like a free market?

If you sincerely want healthcare to become less expensive, DEREGULATE AND DESUBSIDIZE.

>>138174164

NHS is probably the worst system in Europe too, to be quite honest..
>B-but it's FREEEEE

Yes. And like Yakob Smirnov used to say: You get what you pay for.

>>138174022
If you even believe 1 Occupy Democrats meme to be true, I have some bad news for you...
I think the system here is more socialist in nature.
You have to be a member of a "ziekenfonds" which requires a small monthly paymeny ( very little actually) the rest if funded by a 13% employers tax and general funding from the government.
You still need to pay GP up front but you get most of it paid back by the "ziekenfonds". More expensive healthcare, like operations, cancer treatment can still easily cause financial distress for poor plebs. But then again, poor people shouldn't have rights anyways.

>>138170434
>LIST OF COUNTRIES THAT ACCEPT REFUGEES TO FULFILL PYRAMID SCHEME OF FREE HEALTHCARE AND MASSIVE SOCIAL BENEFITS

Free healthcare is a pyramid scheme, the US doesn't accept refugees because we don't have a fucking ponzi scheme in government to give people gibs.

>>138173780
>single payer

Single payer is a bitch imo.. Then you end up with NHS tier inefficiency, and also with the problem that the 'single playing entity' will set not only the price but also the standard of care AND the quality standard... Meaning you might not get the care you want, or even require, and you MIGHT not even have an option to get that care outside of the single payer system, because the market is so dominated by said system.

Manditory insurance schemes with standardised cover are better imo because that way insurance companies can at least compete on price, service, quality of care, care packages etc.. For instance, my health insurance is relatively cheap compared to most companies because they market towards young people and students (that don't require much care to begin with), and they do all of their communication digitically where possible. I get E-mails with information rather than letters, and to put in a claim I can just take a picture of a bill and upload it in an app.. This allows them to offer competitive prices, while at the same time discouraging 90+ year olds that require LOADS of care from draining their budget.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DHeZJS4K6J0

>>138174164
>cherry picking
life expectancy shows NHS is better than the US system. Life expectancy is surely the most relevant measure of a medical care system.

Likely because britbongs dont have to shell out nearly ten thousand dollars a year per capita they get to save money for private medical care when something really serious happens.

>>138174451
>You have to be a member of a "ziekenfonds" which requires a small monthly paymeny ( very little actually) the rest if funded by a 13% employers tax and general funding from the government.

We got rid of the 'ziekenfonds' because it would inevitably have turned into NHS-tier inefficiency and might have simply toppled over, unless the government added more money to it's budget continuously.. Also, 'ziekenfonds' gave people the idea that healthcare was free, when obviously it is not.

>>138174656

Refugees only cost money though. You're retarded if you think they add in ANY way shape or form to the amount of money available for healthcare and social systems. Again: They only COST money in that sense, and every other sense. They are a net loss to the national budget and a drain on the system. Without them it would be a LOT easier to keep the old social systems we were used to in the 60s afloat.

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>>138170434

no jew.

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Thank McCain. Boy, did he save everyone money on healthcare with his Russia sanctions vote! What a guy, that McCain...

>>138175031
the fucking idea is that they'll one day pay out into the fucking pyramid scheme they've created. Even if thats only false, its still the fucking idea.

>>138170434
How can you not understand that it is LITERALLY IMPOSSIBLE for healthcare to be free. Someone has to pay those doctors. The government doesn't just print their money. Countries with "free healthcare" just redistribute wealth with high taxes, which is a form of socialism.

>>138173572
Collective bargaining power means shit when you're forced to use a product and have no alternative

>>138174877
Life expectancy in the US is shit thanks to all the fat fucking landwhales. Don't get things confused here. A fat tax would do more to help life expectancy than spending more money on healthcare.

>>138170434
American "health" care.

LOL is all I've got to say about that!

>>138175233
>the fucking idea is that they'll one day pay out into the fucking pyramid scheme they've created.
No. That's was the idea for the guest workers of the 60s and 70s. It was never the idea for refugees, not for the ones from the Bosniak/Balkan wars in the 90s, and not for the ones we see now. The myth of these is that they will go back.
>Even if thats only false, its still the fucking idea.
It isn't though. The idea is they'll go back.. The idea is also that they're dentists and accountants that will contribute to society as long as they are here, but there isn't a single SERIOUS statistics bureau in Europe or the UN that is dishonest enough to claim refugees do anything but COST money.

There are meme-tier activists and polticial movements that claim otherwise, I'll give you that, but they fall back on hopes and dreams, rather than facts.

>>138170434
>Socialist healthcare
>First world

Pick one and only one

>>138170549
Are you Canadian? That's the situation here

>go to hospital in Europe
>All the machines are made in US
>All of them were invented by US inventors and universities
>All of the doctors formed with papers and thesis published by people working in the US

>Be a left shill
>Guys, let's make the US healthcare like Europe

Europe healthcare only works because they leech from the US competitive environment. People in the US are not smarter or more driven to explain such a massive difference in scientific output, it's all about the incentives.

>>138170434
Or they could just lower the taxes so people could keep the money they earned. Which they could then use to pay their medical bills.

>>138175630
American health """care"""*

>>138175296
But im not wanting to spend more money on healthcare, i am wanting to cut the costs in half by nationalizing it. Pay attention.

>>138175796
That's "the situation" as you call it, when you allow globalist politicians to run rampant in your government. Communism is to make us all equal, yes equally miserable and poor, hungry and sick, etc.
Those politicians don't see sick citizens or hu hey citizens, all they see are cattle waiting to be milked of their lives. Herd you into the office, herd you to the television, herd you to an early grave my friend.

>>138175806
>>All the machines are made in US

>What is Siemens
>What is Phillips

>>All of them were invented by US inventors and universities

>>All of the doctors formed with papers and thesis published by people working in the US

Academia is international though. The money comes from all around the world and so do the researches and people.. There are plenty of American PHD students outside of America and likewise there are MANY non-Americans working and doing research at American universities.

>>Guys, let's make the US healthcare like Europe

Europe does not have 1 health care system though.

>Europe healthcare only works because they leech from the US competitive environment.

Nonsense.

>People in the US are not smarter or more driven to explain such a massive difference in scientific output, it's all about the incentives.

Not all of Europe is Britain or Malta, you memelord.

>unironically doesn't know that you pay 30% of medical bills in Japan
BUT ITS A SOCIALIST UTOPIA GUYS
JAPAN IS GREATEST COUNTRY XD

>>138176084

>There are still unironic Communists alive today
>There are people in American that unironically think that what the US has been lacking for the past 60 years is Communism


I blame your unversities to be honest. Free markets can also have negative influences, and one of the ones very apparant in the US is the combination of engaging in giving student loans to retarded people at retarded rates to persue retarded educational goals like women studies, modern communism, feminism, gender insanity and general pseudo intellectual drivel.

>>138176261
The average annual health care cost in japan is $3.7k

>>138172074
Well...

stop spending your wealth on that shit and then you'll get health care, nigger??

>>138172074
>paying less for something will cost us more

>>138175860
wtf, i love taxes now

>>138176592
the average income in japan is like 20k usd a year
that's a pretty healthy chunk of income

>>138170549
I wish. Actually its 49,4% here in germany. second highest tax burden in the entire fucking world.

>>138170434
>get first class healthcare
>default on payment
fuck yer America

>>138174704
Agreed NHS is a fucking nightmare, the quality of care outside a couple of like "hot" diseases like cancer is fucking low

Even within cancer some people this year were put on the list for urgent surgery then had to wait 6 months for an appointment. This is in cases where the untreated lifespan is 12-18 months.

It's also a black hole of gibs, it's all labour ever campaign on. While the docs make 200k a year

>>138172074
Do Americans actually believe this? Lmao.

>>138179783
>healthcare system is still bankrupt

>>138180192
>government cuts
>bankrupt

>>138172074
the fuck do you protect us from, exactly?
you think people don't see through your fake war-profiteer wars?
I'd rather be in an alliance with Russia than you fat fucks, at least that way if/when we have a civil war, some NATOcucks aren't gonna run here with their ass on fire and start bombing white people to "protec da mooslems" *cough*serbia*cough*

>>138174249
Easier said than done, when our private healthcare scheme is being purposely sabotaged to force us all into socialized medicine, all except the 1%, of course, who will be able to afford the circumvention of it.
Your plan treats the symptom, bad policy, not the cause, which is the unrestrained malice of the upper class towards the middle. No policy wonk can fix that, only a strongman with an iron fist and an eye towards his own legacy can straighten it out, and we may have one in Trump, but only time will tell.
These devils have us all around the throat, and it will be a miracle if we can throw them off us.

>>138170434
its easy to be cavalier when comparing all those countries listed to the us, but the truth of the mater is that its not comparable

you retards can yuk it up all you want but youre looking into a mirror of your future selves over here. enjoy that dank "free" health care when youve got the second and third generations of your new african friends on the streets

because we're in the only one

>>138180341
>Gets into debt to pay the bills
>Not bankrupt

>>138181402
>retarded ancap doesn'tknow the definition of bankrupt

Colour me surprised

Also the US govt is in far more debt than the UK, so you don't even have a point. Lurk more.

>>138174164
>>138174257
BTFO by facts. Especially you, klompen wearing retard.

>>138182741

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>>138182741
>>138182763

>>138170434
Do another one with number of people dying because of socialized healthcare.

I for one would rather go bankrupt than dead.