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Do you play it nigger?
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>>138169438
No
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>>138169555
I've gotten trips 3 times today what the hell
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>>138169555
nice
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>>138169438
Yes but CK2 and Vic2 are better.
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>>138169957
This.
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>>138169438
eu4 is vicky2 for the brainlet
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>>138169438
eu4 is for normalfags

>>138169957
correct post
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>>138169438
I mostly just watch Reman's videos and pretend to understand what's going on.
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Kaiserreich > Victoria 2 > CK2 > HoI3 > EU3 > HoI4 > EU4
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it's not fun, our i've played to many games like that.
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>>138169438
why did you take a screenshot of diplo overlay you fucking nigger

I don't give a shit that you're friends with Castille I want to know whos still around
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>>138169438
It's trash so no.

Paradox has been absolute trash since that game for that matter.
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>>138169438
No. Nobody cares about that dying continent.
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>>138169438
Meh, too long too slow, Vicky 2 best
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>>138169438
Sometimes. I play Ck2 and stellaris more. None of the EU games have matched the greatness of EU2.
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Used to, now Paradox went full jewish with DLC. Basically pay2win
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>>138169438
EU3 was better.

Feature creep is causing bloat while still have fatal flaws at the core of the game.

Balancing for multiplayer makes no sense given how 99.9% of the player base plays the game

Inner Africa and Brazil should not be available to conquer and colonize. In fact colonization as a whole is done really poorly compared to EU3 and it's not a fixable problem.

Still have a couple hundred hours in it. But it really is fatally flawed.
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>>138170149
EU4 and Vicky 2 are two fundamentally different games. While it is possible to peacefully develop in EU4, it's all about armies and conquests. And while it's possible to be militaristic in Vicky 2, it's all about the economy and internal affairs.
Vicky 3 when, btw? You're from Israel, surely you have some sort of (((ambassador))) there?
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been a while but I have 2000 hours. so yes I play ok.
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>>138170591
just pirate it, no one actually buys their games anymore.
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>not playing liquoria all day and shitposting on /gsg/
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>>138170662
Is Vicky 2 a good game? I mainly play HoI4.

>>138170680
Of course. I'm not dropping $300 on DLC.

>>138170709
>/gsg/
That place is cancer.
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>>138169438
Pretty boring game after like 10 hours, not a fan
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>>138170662
vicky3 will come put only if you convice your country to give all of its money to Israel
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>>138170730
vicky2 is great you can it with all of its dlcs+vicky1 in steam winter sale for 10$
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>>138170790
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>>138170591
>he pays for video games

>>138169957
They're all different games. Vicky 2 is, as I've said, about economy and micromanagement, CK2 is about rulers and dynasties, and EU4 is about conquest.
CK2's map is horrendous by the way.
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>>138170730
>I mainly play GoY4
>gsg/ is cancer
hmmm i wonder why...
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>>138169438

Yes, but I suck at it cause I'm new and the UIs pretty messy.
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>>138170891
eu4's map is worse imo
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>>138170261
kaiserreich is garbage
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>>138170891
>CK2's map is horrendous by the way.
does it still have provinces that aren't capitalized properly? "Don portage" triggered me every time I looked at Russia
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>>138170730
In my opinion, it's a good game, but it's not as fast-paced as EU4 or other Paradox games. And it's kind of bad military-wise. The combat system is ridiculous.
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>>138170976
EU4's map is horrendous.

It dramatically increased the number of provinces while keeping the rate of colonization basically the same. The balance was ruined. It encourages blobbing way too much.

The trade system is better than previous games though though. It has that going for it.
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>>138169438
>Do you play
No I don't work as a gamedev anymore, so I don't play games at all

Well sometimes when there is a wow expansion me and the guys buy it and play for a couple of weeks, that and civilization like twice a year

I don't even know the current titles
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>>138169438
I like ck2 better. what other game lets you monitor a distant cousin that has every husband die and she becomes a depressed drunk?
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>>138171043
kill yourself
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>>138170792
Another (((merchant))), I see.

>>138170976
It has far more provinces and they're also far more historically accurate. I couldn't believe my eyes the first time I saw how the Balkans looked in CK2. Plus, the Danube is... off, to say the least.

>>138171061
Not sure, frankly. What I have noticed is that some provinces aren't named properly at all.
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I've got my own game of Sweden where it's 50 years earlier from yours and I have formed Scandinavia and own all of the Baltic coast, a big chunk of Russia, and have North America pretty much locked down. Can't post cap because on my phone.
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>>138169438
> playing video games as an adult
kill yourself
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>>138171767
>Having a hobby as an adult
kill yourself
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>>138172525
do you eat dogshit as a hobby as well and get mad when people point it out to you?
how about being a sad permavirgin as a hobby, that a good one too?
kill yourself
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>>138171767
Tbh grand strategy games aren't for kids.
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>>138172696
imagine being so much a failure that you pretend that you have a normal life on fucking pol to validate yourself.
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>>138171379
>It has far more provinces and they're also far more historically accurate. I couldn't believe my eyes the first time I saw how the Balkans looked in CK2. Plus, the Danube is... off, to say the least.

thats why i cant play without swmh anymore
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>>138169438
I start with CK2 and go all the way to HOI using the same saves
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>>138172919
You got a link for the latest version of that mod? I don't have a legal copy, so I can't access the forums and the mod can't be found on steam.
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Played both CK2 and EU4 but Total War: medieval 2 with mods is where it is at
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>>138172824
I wakeboard as a hobby. I worked, made hella money and got myself a wakeboarding boat. BTFO some polish poortrash with it yesterday who wanted to post "his" boat and never got around to doing it for some reason, but hey some poor greekroach can probably be BTFO just the same with this.
You like my boat? Now that's a fucking hobby, you disgusting omegamale bitchboy manchild
Kill yourself
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>>138172696
lmao, you're pathetic, let me point out how. Neither of those two you mentioned are hobbies, gaming is. Being a sad permavirgin is not a hobby, it's something you are. Nor is eating dogshit a hobby.
What seperates gaming from other sorts of enjoyments? There is room for progression and mastery, there is a challenge. Whether that challenge is making the correct wooden box, squatting a certain amount or something video-game related. Were you touched as a boy by some esport player? I'm trying to understand what made you so opposed to videogames.
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>>138173081
>wakeboarding as an adult
lmao, get a real hobby dude
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>>138172919
>>138173042
In fact, if you have it, could you give me the link for the Historical Immersion Project too? SWMH is a module for it, right?
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>>138172525
No shit, adulthood is about depression and zero fun,wtf I hate everything now.
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>>138170888
very good, 1300 here
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>>138173042
http://www.mediafire.com/file/i1wws4lw6exv669/HIP_-_MNM_-_2017-05-05.7z

here's the whole hip, which is what i meant but i got caught up on the map portion i guess
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>>138173081
i feel like taking a shit. also nice post!
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>>138169438
I play better games.
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>>138173150
>>138173222
you could just say you're poor and I wouldn't hold it against you
(I actually would, because you're a sad poor fuck with no future who wastes his life playing video games)
Kill yourself
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>>138169438
Love this game, but seriously fuck Paradox's DLC policy.
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>>138170888
jake, dis you?
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>>138173407
Awesome. Thanks, man. I've been checking the contents on the CK2 wiki and it looks like a great mod.
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>>138173449
Africa in your game is France.
France IRL is Africa.
Hummm...
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>>138173449
epic blob friend! make sure to post this on paradoxplaza!
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>>138169438
I am playing EU3. Trying to restore Byzantium with Georgia.
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Vic2 Divided States Mod is my favorite.
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Can anybody give a good recommendation for MODs?
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>>138173921
For EU3, of course
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>>138173623
its stellar, legitimately cant play without it.
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>>138169438
video games are degenerate
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>>138173937
pretty sure all the Eu3 mods are long dead, the only major ones I can remember anymore are death and taxes and meiou. meiou is fun but buggy with some interesting game mechanics (like being able to instantly seize provinces of your culture/religion from an enemy country where they are a minority) and death and taxes is a meme but i cant remember what was even so bad about it anymore
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>>138169438
Yup enslave those savages in Africa all the time
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>>138169438
Good goy.
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>>138169438
>>138171645
Here it is.
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>>138169438
Tfw you can't afford a pc and can't play eu4 or hoi4
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>>138174077
I think there should be on the Paradox forums. And how is EU4 compared to EU3?
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What should my next game be, goys?
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*Blocks your merchant*
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>>138174397
Both are shit games
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>>138173658

That's because (((they))) imported niggers and sandniggers in droves to maintain low wages during our economic boom between 1950~1975. Then, when the two oil crises started to hit, they lost their jobs, socialism happened, and they got gibs. Now, they are lazy motherfuckers/drug dealers/ISIS candidates (bar the useless mention, if needed). Oh, and they are still used to promote/maintain low wages, though putting them at work is making every one of us laughing like hyenas at the prospect.
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>>138174431
Papal State
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>>138174066
>Ancap
>calling out degeneracy

One of these things is not like the other.
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>>138174576
It shall be done.
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>>138174498
I don't care Im so fucking poor richfags help a nigger out
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>>138169438
Yes, I do. This is my Kebab Ironman run, I just got like 10 achievements at once. Anyone want to add me on Steam?
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>>138174320
>that blobbomans
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>>138174638
I think even a shitty laptop can handle EU4 nowadays
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>>138174646
You know how I can tell you're a pussy?
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>>138174601

Normal mode: go full Deus Vult, and retake the Holy Land, both ours and the muslim one.

Hard mode: wipe Islam from the religious map.
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>>138173921
>>138173937
CanOmer's map.

All you need desu. Keeps the base game while VASTLY improving provinces/the map.
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>>138174765
Mine is bigger. Even then, I had to limit my expansion since I was going for the "Unify Islam" achievement, so I had to take a long hiatus so I could convert all my provinces, since I was gaining non-Muslim provinces faster than I could convert them.
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How's my spic empire looking /pol/?
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>>138174792
Where do you find it and how to put that map in the main game?
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>>138174400
i mean the mods are still there obviously, but no one updates them anymore. as far as i know anyway, i rarely go into the eu3 section anymore

>And how is EU4 compared to EU3?

its hard to say, you really have to try it for yourself to see how you feel. personally the fact it gets rid of the most egregious kinds of blobbing (where the ottomans would demand part of scotland in a war with england, etc.) already makes it leagues better than eu3 in my eyes, but in the same token eu3 doesnt have nearly as many systems designed solely to be busywork that fucks you up the ass because they cant be bothered to program real diplomacy or ai stuff, and eu4 is absolute fucking jewish with dlc
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>>138174783
What?

>>138173623
Hey Serb bro, want to add me?
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>>138174847
I love me a colonial empire don't like big blob country
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>>138174397
60 euro used computer can run EU4 at 1080p
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>>138173449
HoI 4 is too simple sadly
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>>138174896
You have all that land, but you were too scared to conquer Germany. You failed your ancestors
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>>138174646
Disgusting.
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>>138174646

>Letting NED colonise Africa unchecked
>Letting GBR colonising like madmen in murrica
>Letting HAB alive ever
>Letting MOS>RUS happen
>Didn't took control of the Genoan trade node

Hoo boy.
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>>138170926
What's wrong with HoI4, seriously?

I want to know some reasons why HoI3 is better, if it is better I'll drop HoI4 and go to HoI3.
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>>138169957
>>138170149
vic2 is overrated garbage
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>>138174788
My goals are to make the Holy Roman Empire holy again and to have a big colonial empire.
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>>138174852
One moment, I'll upload my copy to mediafire for you.
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>>138174646
epic blob friend!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! XD make sure to post it on r/paradoxplaza, comrade.
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>>138169438
Wrong map pal
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>>138175045
I was making 120+ ducats a month with level 8 forts all around and +3 advisors (except for diplo cuz diplo sucks).
Colonization sucks, are you kidding me? I never colonize ever, because it's not worth it, I did colonize a few African provinces though.
>Letting MOS>RUS happen
You can clearly see that I whooped Russia's ass. Scandinavia was my ally, and I conquered Moscow and all of Central Asia.
>Letting NED colonize
Also my ally.
I was going for mostly historical borders. My army was jacked to shit by the end,I could stack wipe 120k men at once, and I would have no problems with conquering the rest of Italy, but I stopped because I only needed Rome for the achievements.

>>138174983
I had to stop conquering non-Muslim provinces because I went for the Unify Islam achievement, which requires all provinces to be Muslim faith. Half my idea groups were Military, so I had to take Religious near the end. Next time I won't have to worry about that, Europe will be my bitch.
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>>138174765
historically accurate though
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>>138174852
http://www.mediafire.com/file/3y4nalypao68fni/CanOmers_Map_v1.6.rar

There you go mate, have fun. Love this mod.
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>>138175045
Well anyway, want to be my friend on Steam?
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>>138174885
> but no one updates them anymore.
I am ok with that. I just started recently to play EU3, so it is not a big problem to try the mods

>personally the fact it gets rid of the most egregious kinds of blobbing (where the ottomans would demand part of scotland in a war with england, etc.) already makes it leagues better than eu3 in my eyes, but in the same token eu3 doesnt have nearly as many systems designed solely to be busywork that fucks you up the ass because they cant be bothered to program real diplomacy or ai stuff, and eu4 is absolute fucking jewish with dlc
I understand. As far I noticed there is some new catch added with trade in eu4.
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>>138175544
did you seriously buy all of the goddamn dlcs?
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>>138174852
>how to put that map in the main game?

Put the files in your mod folder and launch the game with the application in the game's folder titled 'eu' if I remember correctly, that will launch the launcher which you can then select the mod of your choice from.

So don't use the exe that Steam uses.
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>>138175473
Well, hopefully it is not a trap. Thanks.
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>>138175585
Your tone suggest jealousy, Kebab.
Not all of them. I don't have Cossacks, but Cossacks ruins the game IMHO, so I won't ever get it.
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>>138174847
nice try
mines better
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>>138175170

Holy AND Roman, and don't forget it's hardly an Empire. Take the decision to form the Kingdom of God, it wipes the bonuses from the Curia for every catholic ruler, weakening the big catholics countries who tries to get them (namely FRA, SPA, HAB and ENG if protestantism didn't fire there). You will need to get to MOR as a staple for the New World, and to channel back the trade. Taking Granada can be quite the gambit, and it will weaken SPA, but you'll be a target.

Still, it's an interesting game.
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>>138175681
england (dark red) is my vassal
south india (konkan-ceylon) is my territory and not vijayanagaar
also for some fucking reason ottomans colonised parts of california so i couldnt take it because they're fucking op
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>>138175681
I wonder if you're the same guy. Some other Swedish dude on my friend's list that plays EU4 a lot.
Anyway, want to be my friend? I got a mic, I just need more guys to play with
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>>138175672
I torrented the dlcs, even tho i bought the game because i dont wanna give more money to that swedish kike.
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>when you cant conceal your power level any longer

>>138175572
basically, in eu3 trade involves you spamming merchants to centers of trade constantly in order to make money off them, its tedious as fuck. eu4 has a much better trade system where you basically station a permanent merchant in a center of trade and how much money you can make off them is determined by your naval power in the area, your global trade power, how many provinces you own in the area, etc. you can also use that merchant to send wealth to another center of trade you have more power in to be able to make more money while denying the money to your rivals

if you're just starting eu3 you may not have the nostalgia for it like i do, so you may in fact enjoy eu4 better
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>>138175708
My goal is basically to conquer the Holy Roman Empire from tip to toe and conquer Egypt + the Levant to slingshot into Asian trade. Depending on circumstances I'll either go to the Spice Islands or attempt to recreate the British Empire as a Papal Fief with a robust India.
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>>138175072

HoI4 feels like a pinball arcade machine or something. You can know next to nothing about the game and employ really dumb tactics and unless you go 100% full retard you will be toppling countries left and right.
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>>138175681
>Not completely taking all of the Americas
>Not taking Australia
>Not taking all of Charter Africa And culture converting [spoiler]genociding [/spoiler]Absolutely everything
>Not taking over the entire Genoa Node
>Not taking Northern morocco to 100% control the Sevilla Trade node

And worst of all
>Letting the *tt*mans have ANY provinces in Europe


Ummm no sweetie. Also I still got 220 years left.
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>>138169438
Yes, the game is unbalanced as fuck though. They buffed ming too much, making playing in Asia impossible. I still managed to conquer throne of china as japan daimyo, but most players wont be able to compete with them
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>>138176043
I still whooped Ming's ass twice as Ottomans. The Sultan cuck'ed Ming all the way from Constantinople.
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>>138176043
playing as manchu, you just take pure 20k+ cavalry stacks in the steppes to fight and you'll deal massive blows. fighting china is easy af because of pure cavalry mix and the banner cavalry which is pretty gud
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>>138176162
Are you a kebab or a Bosnian Serb?
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>>138169438
yea and im better than u
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where do I begin with these games as a brainlet? closest i've ever played were civ 4 and 5.
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>>138176229
nope, I'm a croat. almost nobody likes the kebabs in bosnia who isn't kebab himself.
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>>138170790
>Pretty boring game after like 10 hours, not a fan
dude you know almost nothing of the game until you're at least 40 hours in
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>>138176276
shitty borders
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>>138176291
fuck around in eu4 as the ottomans and you will get the hang of things pretty quick
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>>138169438
Thinking of doing a Pagan run CK2, is it worth it?
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>>138176276
>2 power projection
>0 stability
>Horrific borders
>Didn't even unify his culture since Austria still exists.
Pathetic.
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>>138176276
>republican tradition
Who the fuck did you form germany as?
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>>138176329
fuck u
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>>138176443
He got shoah'd by revolutionaries
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>>138176291
euiv and ck2 are babbies first gsg

if you choose euiv, play castille or the ottomans
if you play ck2, play the duke of apulia or france
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which one is your favorite province guys?
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>>138176578
There's no revolutionary flag
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>>138176298
Well in that case, steam?

>>138176460
Hey, your power projection sucks dick.
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>>138175362

>You can clearly see that I whooped Russia's ass. Scandinavia was my ally, and I conquered Moscow and all of Central Asia.

It's not a guarantee, I've seen AI RUS making comebacks from worse situations than that, they are resilient like hell.

>Also my ally.

You let them took those Ivory Coast trade centers, they can use it to steal trade back to their home node in the North Sea. Granted, you did took India, which lessen the benefits, but they can heavily profit from South America's trade. Imho, your choice is not optimal, but I can be quite the maniac with trade.

>>138175973

Very interesting. Either you play conservatively by building your powerbase in Italy (quite a pain for you until the Shadow Kingdom happen, and if you're lucky NAP will break the PU with ARA before the Iberian Wedding) or you can go for Tunis for a very nice foothold in Africa, if you can go past the garantee usually laid by TUR. Your opening move will be quite something to pull, whatever you want to do.
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>>138176443
>>138176578
this
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>>138176668
It is a waiting game. The number one mistake people make in EU4 is quitting too early. You don't truly come into power until much later in the game. And hopeless situations change.

It is such an interesting game, there are so many situations.
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This is actually an old pic, probably logged like 100+ hours since this cause this is like 1.5+ years ago lol
Still play the same games though
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>>138176650
I can give you my discord then we'll talk but I won't post my steam on pol
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>>138175138
brainlet detected
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>>138176668
Well it's not just that.
By the 18th century, Mali was between Otto and Dutch East Africa.
It was hard for me to conquer them, because the moment I declared war on them, the netherlands also declared war on them and ocucpied every province (didn't occupy any forts), which ruined the peace deal.

All my armies were in India, fighting Ming and their tributaries. If I had another 100 years, I gladly would have relocated them to fight Africa.
Also, I would have conquered all of Kilwa, too. Ming however, DOW'ed on me with 2 of their tributaries, and I figured it'd be best (for the over extension) just to take those coastline provinces instead of full annexing it since the war with Ming, I was going to eat their 2 tributaries they called in.
Again, as I said, I was going for a few achievements, next time I won't be so limited.
In this run, I got

"Definitely the Sultan of Rum"
"Dar-el Islam"
"Trade Hegemon"
"Master of India"
That one involving owning 10 gold producing provinces
and a couple unrelated to conquest, like Tear down this wall.

>>138176830
Sure thing.
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who /ck2 masterrace/ here?
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>>138176961
sure, add me cloraniax #2876
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>>138169438
Started as Brandenburg with 5 provinces in 1066, only nation left that isn't my colony is Russia cause I cba to finish them off. The game is fundamentally broken because you cannot form coalitions simply due to size and previous expansion of your neighbors like you can in real life, see: NATO. Also reforming Rome was a mistake, way way worse generals than Brandenburg.
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>>138176965
Reporting in
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>>138177069
>2220 AD
wew
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>>138177069
>protestant rome
absolutley disgusting
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>>138176668
So do you want to add me or not? I got discord too
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>>138177235
Only reason is that Protestant religion in EU4 has amazing bonuses

>>138177229
Yeah my autism shows with this one
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Yes,great Rakkan empire
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>>138177370
I haven't had a chance yet, but so like Protestant has church aspects, right?
Do those church aspects continue on past Age of Reformation? I know Islam always has piety.
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>>138175072
I play HOI4 for the Modern Day Mod, honestly, so I don't care.

Shit is too addicting for me.
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>>138177423
Yeah it's got a number of different bonuses that you can spend the religious points on, iirc one was like +10% national manpower modifier and one was +10% land force limit, totally worth converting. And yes bonuses for each religion stays throughout the whole game as long as you don't go secular.
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>>138177551
How do you go secular? Do you become a republic?
Yeah, and also Protestant is better for the church aspects. In my experience, the only time the Papal influence becomes a thing is when I was playing as the Commonwealth. The papal influence I got from converting Orthodox and Muslim provinces was more than enough to keep me at +3 stab without me ever using admin points.
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vicky is an amazing game
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>>138177069
Bonus pic for /pol/, this was my first playthrough with my friend playing as China and bankrolling me as Rhodesia
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>>138177731
Secularism I believe is part of the extended timeline mod on the steam workshop, it just becomes an option in like the 1900s
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>>138177872
I agree, Vicky is the best one in my opinion.

Also, pic related: my contribution from EU IV.
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>>138177227
started this morning as grand chief of saxony in 759, now playing my grandson, just stole the daughter of the french king during my successfull conquest of thürigen, now his empire is splitting up again
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>>138173081
>buying boat
>landlocked countrylet
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>>138176754

This. Through I usually try stunt moves, the replay value is only limited by boredom triggered by mastering the gameplay, thus letting you to get away from practically every shitty situation. And then you just have to try harsher nations all the way to "that Foix run".

>>138176961

Judging by your size, you could have gone way over your force limit by forming a merc army in Africa to stomp Mali, while letting your regulars do their thing in Asia. The lost money would have been quickly recovered.

OE is only a problem if you still have a lot of revolter tags, and those provinces aren't converded AND an accepted culture.

>>138177275

I haven't played since quite a time from now, and don't intend to. I'm absorbed by my thesis, or more specifically by the administrative aspect of it (fuck, I signed to read those sweet law texts edicted by Louis XIV / XV / XVI, not for being the college slave during their events) so I'm not active anymore, sorry.
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>>138178181
Whatever, we could still be friends and just chill and talk to each other.
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>>138177450
Fucking same mate, that mod is really well-made.
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>>138178276

I'll deliver if I come back in time, i'm at the archive center right now on my phone.
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>>138178771
Just send me an email at this throwaway, then I'll tell you my discord there so it's saved on your email
[email protected]
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>>138170618
This. As a EU 2 and EU 3 veteran, I can confirm EU 4 is literal cancer.
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>>138178140
>Princess Agnès of West Francia
>Your Concubine
>Age: 21
>Opinion of Me: -45
>My Opinion of Agnès: -50

Kek.
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