>Real communism has never been tried What is your counterargument

how would your attempt do any better? Because you are a better person with more insight?

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>>138159497
You're the only ideology out there that denies its past.

Even using their terminology its true though, communism is the end goal, a dictatorship of the proletariat is supposed to usher that in wherein the state is supposed to devour itself, and a generation or so it is no longer a working class dictatorship because there is no class distinction.


If you care to actually engage people on this you have to do basic reading, because this is a movement over a century old that has its own lexicon and definitions, where to average people socialism and communism are synonymous, it isnt to a leftie, they are different stages.

Youd want to argue that things those countries did were done in the name of communism and to further its development, communism has never been tried because it cannot be reached, it was impossible for the USSR to operate outside of the economic confines of capitalism (though it can be argued that this is because they werent industrialized to begin with, when Marx's theorizing applied to Germany and England which were fully industrialized, Russia was a feudal peasant state and China even moreso)

I know its a bummer but you cant do anything but get schooled unless you know what you're talking about, you have to study the opponent, even the most basic shit like Lenin's stuff about the state apparatus, the condition of the working class in England etc. I found Engels to be easier to read because all Marx does is make thousands of pages of corn formulas before he even talks about currency.

The stuff i said alone is enough to silence your average memer, but like i said, for academic jew style lefties this is a century old school of thought with its own parameters, most of them have read adam smith and stuff and its your duty to know their phraseology, symbols and history, history is a weapon, anon, never forget that

Why would I argue against it? It's absolutely true.

I've read the works of Marx and Engels, I know that an actual communist state has never even been approached.

And how could communism be enacted? How could a society even reach the post-currency era required for communism to exist?

Nobody has any adequate method that accounts for the existence and logistics of modern consumerism. Marx and Engels both fell short in their vision, how about you?

How exactly does a modern society get to post currency? No magic, no future tech, no skipping, tell me exactly step by step how a nation achieves post currency.

You can't tell me, because there's no fucking way.

Real communism has never been tried because it's not fleshed out enough to account for the real fucking world.

Prove me wrong, show your work. You can't.

>>138159497
you must base your arguments in reality, white boy.

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True fascism has never been tried.

>>138159497
When will you know to seize the means of production?

What signals the end of capitalism?

Genuinely curious.

>>138159497

It hasn't, not by their own definitions of it. But that's the issue: Communism has the same fatal flaw as anarchism: it doesn't take into account human nature at all. Egalitarianism is the most unnatural idea created by man in most of history, socialists need to create increasingly authoritarian methods to ensure that their egalitarian utopia can exist, meaning that a stateless, classless society where the means of production are collectively owned is practically impossible in a world with human beings unaltered forms.

>>138162077

When I said "socialist" I meant "Marxist Socialist" by the way.

>in 200 years Communism hasn't produced a single successful Nation...but 19 year olds are still gonna LARP as commies and say REAL communism has never been tried

my response is typically point and laugh

>>138159497
Good

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>>138160619
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s5axVunzQSA

>>138159497
Real communism has been tried. The n is at like 20 or 30. In the best of circumstances it barely maintained what it had replaced. The mean is a general degradation of the standard of living. It he worst trials it lead to mass murder.

>>138159497
Real communism has never been tried because it is impossible because it requires voluntary participation of all members

>>138159497
Gassing ALL the Jews has never been tried

>>138162346
>Look mom I posted it again

Its almost as if the soviets fixed records. Once North Korea is liberated it will look weird for a data analyst too because they fixed their records.

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>>138162594
I am sure they were 100% honest in their reporting.

My argument is that I do not care, because communism will never work. We are hominids, hominids create social hierarchy, communists want to end all hierarchy, communists fundamentally misunderstand the nature of humans and are destined to fail because of that. Furthermore, absolute equality is bad for evolution. If you make all people equal you have to cut out potential next steps in the process of evolution, in this way communism opposes the progress of humanoid life forms and is at its core a destructive, unproductive idea. All communists are either idiots, Utopian LARPers who want to create a world that fits perfectly into their subjective idea of morality, or, historically at least, Jews seeking to gain power. At this point in time if you are a communist you are a useless sack of shit which should be culled from the heard