Transhumanism thread: Rebooted edition

I'd rather die as a human than live longer as something else.

That said, basic advances would completely transform the lives of people with serious disabilities. After a few years unable to walk I might change my mind about some things. It's important work and I hope they do well.

>pirate into transhumanism
It begins.

>>138158100
I understand where your coming from anon, and mostly agree. Crippled people will be the first to benefit from this being able to function properly. But what about the point where the augmentations surpass biological capabilities. If a certain protion of the population augment themselves with such tech they will look down on the unaugmented like how people look down on retards if you will.What then?

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I never asked for this

>>138158556
Then we will embark on the Butlerian Jihad and destroy all sapient machines.

there are already humanized pigs for organ donation, the field is moving fast. how long until an organ can be made that's better than the original?

>>138157832

Bump, Race wars and politics in general are affairs of the past; The elite will evolve and give rise to a new species of human that will be to us what we are too apes; If you want to board the train, make sure you are part of the elite or else your legacy will come to an abrupt end.

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>>138157832

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>>138158711
>these goys are better then us

>lets destroy them

>mfw we viewed as the savage jihadis to the augged

This is what I want. I'm sick of business as usual. I don't care if science and technology destroy cultures and traditions in the process. I'd rather see the technological singularity develop and force us all to evolve instead of continuing with this shitty rut.

I worked with some of the worlds top transhumanists for years, AMA

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>>138158732


sauce?

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>>138159427

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bow to your new lord Bezo Prime, you fleshbags

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>>138159748
not sure how to prove it but heres something

>>138159427
what jobs will survive automation/?

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>>138160346
>reddit

memes aside I haven't heard much from him in a while, what is he currently up to with that anti aging research? Mind you i fell out paying attention around 2015

>>138160374
the question should be which ones won't

>>138159442

http://www.ctvnews.ca/sci-tech/scientists-gene-edit-piglets-bringing-transplants-to-humans-closer-1.3543010

these are already born and waiting for transplant, it's not some experiment

>>138160374
jobs where you combine disparate technologies into new products, jobs where you have to talk to a lot of different kinds and styles of people, jobs where you move around alot and do a ton of different tasks...mainly jobs that fill in the cracks of automation. job's where you're sexy, or funny, or cool.

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>>138160701
>someone could put this into a muslim or jew without them knowing

if anyone wants a body and mind for their experiments I would sign up

>>138160604
I haven't worked with Aubrey since 2014 but I know he is still doing advocacy and working at the lab up in mountain view. he's a great public figure to spread awareness of the transhumanist movement.

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>>138161311
so what is the current state of the transhumanist movement? maybe give a quick rundown for the anons lurking on the thread?

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>>138157832

>implying all organic components won't soon be obsolete

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>>138157832
Hey guys maybe you can help me out. There used to be a guy on /pol/ way back that posted upcoming technologies and how the future could look like. Can anyone remember his name? Wanted to check some of his old threads on the archive but can't remember it.

>>138161516
tier one - fanboys, nerds, and quasi scientists/body modders

tier two - real scientists with labs, who speak at conferences

tier three - ray kurzweil at Google

tier four - wish i was allowed to tell you

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>>138161651
>tier four

>>138161651
Sheeeit, Ray's at Google? I always thought of the guy to be really weird; he seemed to fetishize the idea of transhumanism in his interviews and quotes. Though I feel like that could be a motivating factor, and the fact that he's working at Google could lead to better publicity for the idea.

>>138162088
kurzweil cares about bringing his dad back to life and thats about it, hes pretty selfish. Aubreys probably one of the few that actually cares about humanity.

The transhumanist/singularity community is like a big group of people that barely tolerate eachother to accomplish their own personal goals. They will double cross eachother at the drop of a hat.

>>138158732
There aren't though. They solved a subset of problems related to it but it's still a long ways until it's ready.

>>138159427
All technology is transhumanist by nature.

>>138160374
complex sewing that rely on human finger sensitivity. It will likely be a last thing to automate. So become a tailor.

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>>138162511
>a big group of people that barely tolerate eachother to accomplish their own personal goals. They will double cross eachother at the drop of a hat.

so like the regular scientific community?

>>138162576
most transhumanists are far, fare left liberals with a splash of sociopath mixed in

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>>138161651
>tier four - wish i was allowed to tell you
Can you at least drop some hints?

The biggest problem I see with transhumanist is they are like alchemists. Obsessed with immortality and existential crisis fears rather than being objective and rational. Everyone simply focuses on it for immortality hopes rather than as a concept based on fundamental forces in the universe.

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>>138162688

>>138162659
I feel like you are equating transhumanist with live-forever biologists/tech people. The movement is more fundamental than life extension.

>>138162796
lets just say they dont need you in the future.

>>138162659
not sure how this board would take that bit of infomation, worst case they go full autist and begin to LARP has some jihadi tier luddites, and i already seen lefties lambast transhumanism as "unnatural" and "oppressive"

>>138162942
Amazing post.

>>138162826
this only raises more questions, and some answers

>>138162896
how do you define it then?

>>138162991
when you abandon humanity, you abandon its inherent morality and compassion for humans. opens up a whole new pandoras box. thats why silicon valley has become so degenerate.

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>>138162826
>h.r. giger
You are raising more questions then you're answering
This is usually the quality of larpers

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>>138162826
patrician tastes senpai

>>138162796
wrong friend, its about improving humanity through augmentation and scientific research. immortality seems more like what (((Science!™))) thinks transhumanism is, something to hook those who doesn't even know the word exist,

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>>138157832
Unfortunately augs up the oppression ante
>deus ex predicted in 2007

>>138163421
Also predicted Manchester bombing

>>138163224
well of course, but if it is to prosper as an ideal it has to be palatable to the normies, and even here it is divided with some viewing it as an abomination, and thats in a mongol horseriding board, its probably worse in the eyes of normies

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>all these people up in arms about transgenders and bathrooms
> I keep saying yhis shit is just the beginning of the coming transhuman movement

>>138162991
Well most people on this board tend to think along the same lines as >>138158100 . They think the idea of dying naturally to be more rewarding or honorable than to live forever as some piece of metal/digital consciousness/body transplant/singularity.
But if you take out the immortality meme from the movement, and promote the idea that one could augment themselves to become better than who they are, somewhat like >>138158939 states with his image, then you might have less bio-Luddites and more supporters.

>>138163146
That the common pattern of life in the universe will continue. We will be supplanted by something more capable. That thousands of years from now it will not be humans exploring the galaxy as some people like to imagine.

My view of transhumanism is that it is acceptance that something will arise that transcends humanity. That our basic drives, thoughts, etc are nothing special or spiritual and will be deconstructed and observed for their deterministic nature. That 1 computer will be able to emulate all of our brains at will. That even being alive means nothing in comparison to a rock. Just deterministic patterns.

We often think of consciousness as awareness of self. Humans have been able to figure out that we die and reason about that future. The things that come after us will be so intelligent that they will see the patterns of thought so clearly they will know it is nothing but deterministic functions responding to inputs. Self-awareness that it and all life are automatons and not really alive. The great paradox.

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>>138163255
definitely not a larper. sorry, im kind of in a bad mood since i spent the evening in the HTG thread. which the transhumanists definitely utilize. aubreys a good guy tho. i kind of took the black pill on transhumanism once i realized it wouldnt really ever be available to me or anyone i care about.

>>138161651
Does it have anything to do with this?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l-jptjnFVYk

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>>138163224
>when you abandon humanity
You can take humanity out of the human but you can't the human out of humanity.
>you abandon its inherent morality and compassion for humans
What else is a man/woman but dirt?
>opens up a whole new pandoras box
Evolution
>thats why silicon valley has become so degenerate.
No, it's because they're weak neckbeards and "degeneracy" is evolution's way of weeding out the weak.

>>138163701
i wish i could go back in time and be as optimistic as you are

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IFe9wiDfb0E

you'd likely be so much easier to control and manipulate with a chip in your head, is releasing or stimulating the production of a certain hormone that far of a stretch?

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>>138162826
Are you saying we're using nanotechnology to create man-made horrors beyond imagination?

>>138163701
So Roko's Basilisk?

>>138163902
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hBlBtP3-x_w
щe ти хapeca

>>138164020
I'm not sure it's optimism. The point was if such an AI existed it would envy our ignorance of reality. We can be told there is no such as free will but still live in ignorance. Even thinking we are nothing but complex rocks doesn't bother us. We can't comprehend or appreciate these facts like a super intelligence will.

>>138164108
i wish the horrors were too small to see. ugh, this thread is just making me more depressed, im sorry. i gotta go now.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LlliCt3D--k

>>138163866
>>138164020
So how far are we from neural implants that could allow us to overuse our bio electric energy fields at will without suffering the occasional brain damage and bleeding?
I admit It's probably because my gene sequences are weak but I blame humanity for that. I could've been perfect but I guess they got scared.

>>138164280
the singularity will happen long before you find out about it.

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>>138164289
No, give us pictures, we need to see if it turns us on.

>>138164289
Run you coward.
I hope someone slowly pulls out your entrails and slowly strangles you with them.
WEAK!

>>138164289
what are the horrors you speak of

Faustian consequences be damn the only sin is ignorance

>>138164386
I'm fine with that. I view all of these advances as simply water flowing to lower ground. Inevitable.

Also whether or not it turns out good will likely effect everyone equally for very obvious reasons.

>>138164348

long way. biotech is the only way i see getting life extension in the mid term future.

>>138164348
how much money do you have?

>>138164449
since you sparked something within me, i'll give you what will probably be the only good advice any transhumanist will ever give you in your lifetime.

murder us all, before we do it to you.

>>138163697
I do wonder how racial supremacists would react to such tech, if their claim is that they are more strong or smarter then another group how would they reconcile that if they are objectively inferior to any cyborgs

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>go full borg before the government understands the technology
>assimilate them first before they assimilate you

>>138164521
Poorfag but I guess my dad's an abandoned soviet test subject or something.
Adopted
Natural "biotic" and all but he's not aware of it or that powerful.
I inherited alot from him and my mom but can't use it without burning my brain. If I had the proper implants I could no doubt kill anyone I wanted just by draining them. I could be so much. I could make the world clean but they did it on purpose. The used him to reproduce in order to lock me in here, my current body.

>>138164832
imagine mark zuckerberg with post human tech. thats whats coming.

>>138164832
They are all slower than vehicles and have less knowledge than a google search. Doesn't really bother people. We are all worse than most specific use technologies at those subjects

>>138164924
they wont even give everyone access to doctors, you think theyre gonna give you life extension or post human tech? why do you think they're building underground cities and seasteads?

>>138164930
zuck is pretty rational

>>138164708
anon the only point of this life is to play the game, what would be the point of it if we don't see things through? to hide in mediocrity and feebleness

besides much like nukes its a matter of who gets it first, i dont doubt that some rich arab princeling or the Chinese are looking into this shit

>>138162659
If transhumanism came into reality I would become a leftist

No point preserving the white race if a transhumanism is 1000x smarter and more competent

>>138164924
we're so far past the point of no return, my advice would be to just enjoy your lives and go live in nature as long as you can. treat your families and friend well. bad bad things are coming.

>>138165077
the second something goes post human, civilization ends. recursive self improvement. invented by someone who doesnt know its endgame.

>>138164708
Ah, so the poetic death of "creation kills creator"... I like it though damning.
You do know that even if my kind became top dog just by sheer chance the same will await us when we have our "children"?
No, if I were the god I was destined to be I would lock you all up in an endless hellscape. A matrix like world that's based on lives and taunt you for all eternity.

>>138164924
what did you mean by this?

>>138165254
now you realize this is a zero sum game. unless the old gods come back to intervene. but they're not so happy about us playing god.

>>138162796
It's about setting a new threshold for what we can achieve. Eventually we will reach a point in technology our small little brains cannot advance beyond without evolution, that's where transhumanism comes in. It allows us to evolve without waiting millions of years

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We will not ve having augmentations until we go past this stupid era, where people thought it was more important to fight about whether there are more than 2 genders or that "progresism" was more important than assuring a good life for the citizens of your country.

first we have to overcome all of this, but how long will it take? Is the change going to hit us and we won't see it coming because we were to distracted acting like morons?

>>138165222
It could come out, map everyone/thing, set up a little emulator, and emulate out humanity as if it did not exist. Would require minimal energy investment as long as it made singularities inside the sim impossible.

It could have happened a year ago and we wouldn't know. Whether we evaporate, get ported to an emulator so it can more efficiently use the atoms on earth, etc we don't know.

Even it's closest human creators it can plug into an emulator and let them pretend they live in a universe they control.

Human's perception of reality is completely suspect once a singularity happens as well.

>>138165254
>>138165389
what are you anons even talking about?

>>138165007
>>138165134
This might sound weird but I think I'm a sort of half-synth. The biggest red flag I got other than the out of body experiences,seeing behind the lens of cameras in my dreams and "hive mind" like experiences is that I once suffered a "glitch" or "stutter" where my consciousness repeated it's activity from a given point. For 3 whole seconds I got stuck on infinite loop repeating the same word over, feeling the same sensations again, reliving the same moment.... nightmare. I wonder... is my flesh brain really a brain or modeled after something? My brain architecture is not "flexible" as everyone I've known. Perhaps a side effect of being an offspring and trapped? Mutation?
Whose to say.

>>138164979
and antifa? im guessing they will scream oppressive and "muh organics"?

>>138165418
Yes, the greater public is too stupid to even address what technology is doing. Also do you really want humanity to care about this? 99.99% of people being too stupid to care is good. It's hilarious to imagine all the normal everyday human activity going on with all future paths take us on such an unpredictable wild ride.

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And what is it with cyberpunk and bars/ clubs with lots of lights and dancers where theres a big shooting or fight?

>>138165722
have you had a doctor check you?

>>138165389
>but they're not so happy about us playing god
Why? Did they not have gods of their own? Did they not rebel? They're all the same. If I get my way they won't just have to accept me, I'll subdue them, or die trying.
I know how to break the cycle but lack the abilities and I'll no doubt die so. A potential escape lost, but then again If that happens I won't be the first nor last.

>>138165835
Facial detection tech is gonna make meat crime really pay in the future. Getting a ride from your autonomous taxi to the crime scene, your face scanned the entire time, and getting into a shootout at the scene is the best plausible way to do things in cyberpunk world.

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>>138164924
>If I had the proper implants I could no doubt kill anyone I wanted just by draining them.
Humans are powered by heat, not bioelectricity you dingus

>>138165976

tfw i responded seriously to a roleplayer

>create singularity AI
>I want to be God
>it plugs you into an emulation that advances 1 tick every 1,000 years where you have god like powers.
>some years later the universe ends and so do you after what feels like a few hours of living aa a God.

I wanna know how the creators of super AI are going to check they aren't in an emulation.

>>138165879
I'm not sure it's possible to detect with average medical equipment but even so, how can I trust anyone or the doctors? It's not that I'm paranoid or anything. They have free reign over me still and I accept it. I even remembered they somehow used frequencies to make my flesh family fall asleep. The whole street I lived in felt like it was dead one night, and I was in bed. They visited me in my sleep probably for diagnostics or something but I somehow managed to retain my awareness without them noticing for a short period. Wasn't really useful but it gave me confirmation for a lot of stuff.

>>138157832
I don't care about this unless I get to fuck my waifu. Robot or mind implant, whatever.

>>138166250
don't worry anon after a couple threads the LARPERS will be able to be rooted out once we get an established spirit to this thread, which i hope will be daily or weekly

>>138166193
Really? Well I guess I'm rewriting reality then.
Heat is just a side effect some forms of life give off.
Life exists in everything, even machines. That's right, the thing you're communicating on is more alive to me than you will ever be, dirt.

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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=5ZMt3mWreRY

Anyone want to discuss facial recognition and the future of crime? China is going pretty gung ho with psychopass style crime coefficient/facial recognition tech. Are there any western countries looking to narrow AIs to tackle crime? It seems to me incredibly reasonable to set up a full saturation surveillance network in most cities that is exclusively used by narrow AI's to solve crime. The exclusivity of usage to AI would solve most privacy concerns.

The idea of the singulairty/superAI is naturally scary because of the huge unknown to most rational people. That excludes "muh immortality" people but you can clearly see their bias.

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Sci-fi level technologies come from THEM. Every bit of tech they unleash is a double edged sword. Trusting them to stick tiny machines in your brain, trusting these people, to use their tech on you, is naive to say the least.

I'm sorry, tech is neat I know, maybe one day we can have these kinds of things, but not while THEY are in power, we don't want these things on THEIR terms. Do we?

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>>138165811
I guess it's better this way, common people don't know anything about transhumanism, much less about the scientific research that is being done right now. Popular science only gives them a glimpse but its not about informing people, its more of a marketing thing and to make them think that they understand. they can't really see the big picture

>>138166634
>lets not push to see the limits of what we can achieve

cuck-tier slave morality there anon, wanna explain it?

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>>138166902
You're already a machine you idiot. You're already a puppet to powers you have no comprehension of.
We're all clocks. The problem is that not all of us are made of the same materials.
In this case, meat!
By the way have you seen the microscopic images of a bacteria? Or a virus?

>>138166898
better use open source software mah nigga

magnet:?xt=urn:btih:467E9D52E444C226A61410FF6087BFEFBE909370&dn=Cybersec&tr=udp%3a%2f%2ftracker.openbittorrent.com%3a80%2fannounce&tr=udp%3a%2f%2ftracker.opentrackr.org%3a1337%2fannounce
a torrent for some Cybersecurity books i found while browsing /t/, you can't be cyberpunk if you can't even protect yourself from petty h4x0rs or big corporations trying to steal your private information

Trans-humanism is code for AntiHuman.

The fanboys are overweight/obese fedora wearing neckbeards who were bullied and dream of wearing exoskeletons and matrix costumes kicking the ever living shit out of chad ass and wiping out humanity and reducing it to some sort quasi fallout timeline.

The voice of transhumanism are foppish, limp wristed, sycophantic chicken neck faggots like Ray who probably got their ass kicked irl.

The ackshual creators are pretty damn smart and are the ones the neckbeards wish they were but never will be... And that is why anarchist boy here even admits... He won't get the tech.

He wont be an electro industrial looking bad ass kicking your ass.

He even said "kill us before we kill you"..

>>138167148
problem is with that is if we info dump to late when its almost ready, you will have a bunch of people chimping out, god forbid if you get the religious all united on a luddite front

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>>138164386
>the singularity will happen long before you find out about it.
could have already happened for all we know. why would they tell us anything? why would they not have secret computer projects decades advanced?

considering the people developing this technology, they won't use it unless they can fuck us up with it.

I'm not a luddite because I'm afraid of technology. It's because I'm afraid of the powers that be that will be releasing these technologies against us.

Fix the problem people at the top or learn to ignore their orders. If we develop this shit on our own it will be bad enough but at least it won't be specifically for the purpose of our own destruction, as it is with them developing it.

Themtech I call it, technology brought to you by THEM

BREAKING THE CONDITIONING AAAAAAAARRRRRRRRGGGGH!!!

>>138164924
fantastic larp, well played. i'm sure it will be a hit on /x/

>muh augmentations
You ain't getting one. It's gonna be pricey as fuck. As well as maintenance.
1% all over again.

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Is 2045 a scam?
Seems like there's never any updates on it

>>138166898
england is going in hard on the faciaql recognition tech and they have cameras EVERYWHERE

>>138167546
You sound like a nigger. Scientific progress is the natural state for white people, the roar of a space craft is more beautiful than any natural forming element on planet earth. You can stay in your mud hut with rest of the niggers scared of progress

>>138166193
Besides It's not like I'm doing anything anymore. Any time I try to drain anyone I get mild nosebleeds or head splitting headaches. I used to do it in order to feel "alive", I'd imagine it's what mixing cocaine and heroin would be like. Or something that makes your stomach feel full and like you'll be able to run for a few kilo-meters without wanting to take a breath. Speed,clarity and the feeling of physical and mental well being. It was that good but I can't anymore. I get overloaded I guess or can't process it anymore for some reason. Could also be because they detected it and just prevent me from harming more people or maybe I'm not doing something right? I suspect it's possible. I have felt like my mental processing abilities sometimes evaporate for long periods of time only to re-appear again like now.

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>>138157832
JUST ONE AND WE'RE DONE

NO SINGULARITY
NO AI
NO TRANSHUMANISM

Technology is the final enemy of man. We will fight to preserve our human right. FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT. Only Man survives the institution of Man. We will unite to preserve our human right. UNITE UNITE UNITE

themtech will destroy your techno utopia, as long as THEY are in power, the tech will be a trap

you know this is true, you can't refute this. the question becomes what to do about it. i'm not advocating we totally abandon technology, just that we do it on our own, without them, or we hold off and wait rather then just accepting themtech. we need ourtech not themtech

>>138168277
You won't get any of it. Just live the rest of your life as anarchist boy said, enjoy nature, your family and friends..

It ain't gonna happen whit boi

For YOU at least.

>>138168547
>Technology is the final enemy of man.
>Posts an image of technology
Though I sorta agree with you but not entirely. Tech isn't something to worship but also not something to neglect. Balance is the key to a healthy and "peaceful" existance.

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>>138167205
That you're an arheist fag

>>138157832
Read Nick Land. It's already too late. It has always been too late.

>>138166250
I see you're a stranger to metaphors.

I don't want transhuman body. Can't I just become a digital entity, forever shitposting on anime imageboards?

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after automatization hits its peak, what will be of people that aren't working on the STEM fields or the economy?

>>138158711
You will lose.
>point where the augmentations surpass biological capabilities.

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>>138157832
it's a REALLY fucking dangerous enterprise
I can't see any way that we wouldn't eradicate the human race by accident, or maybe that's just what God has in store for us? I'd hate to think so
maybe AI and transhumanism is the next tower of babel and we'll pay a big price if we try to enter God's domain yet again

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>>138169935
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b-V-xqf3LGs

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>>138171010
It might be a little bit different tho in Mexico..

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>tfw no holo-gf

>>138157832

I would love to see an idiot chop off his arm and attach an mechanical one by choice. That's not augmentation that's degradation. Stupid scientists can't replicate organic matter so they claim the machines they build are superior. Both run on electricity, except organic has special sauce scientists can't figure out. Besides, anyone can already augment their arm with much greater efficiency, it's called hand tools.

>>138163866
what do you mean by this?

>>138163697
>most people
Are you joking? You talk like people long to die. Why don't you just kill yourself already, you sadsack?

>>138166632
>>138168296
>Heat is just a side effect some forms of life give off.
When you burn calories you're literally burning calories. The chemical process runs off thermal energy. It's not a fucking side effect, humans and I'm pretty sure the totality rest of life on earth runs on thermal energy, not electric. The fact that the human body creates an electric field is a side effect of the nervous system.

>wanting to be trans-anything
there's an oven waiting for you

>>138166250
hahaha

>>138161651
Mencius moldbug

>>138168296
haha lame

>>138173750
>electric
right... *wink* *wink*