There is a lot of criticism of communism on the board, but an

Real fascism was never tried.

"real" communism doesn't happen because it's an evil system based on theft, and the people who implement it are immoral corrupted people

Marxism is a philosophy, he never really wrote the political side of how to implement it. The aim is to keep adjusting until you get it right.

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>>138136115
Communism is always used as an object to forward ones own agenda which is why it never works you think giving that much power and money to the government will ever end well?

>>138136516
Capitalism is the system based on theft. Communism wants to eliminate exploitation as much as possible. Its the entire goal.

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>>138136550
Thats a big problem that Marxists shouldn't pretend doesn't exist at all. That doesn't mean its impossible to achieve without power corruption.

horseshoe theory is intellectual laziness

and yes communism has never truly materialized because power corrupts

just like those faggot "free markets" are a utopian ideal

>>138136528
The adjustment process always leads to corruption.

Isn't it fair to say that every pursuit of communism has led to utter failure and misery?

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>>138136607
It is isn't theft to want to enjoy the fruits of your own labour it is theft to say you want someone elses money just because they have more than you

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>>138136115

I wonder why the final step of the temporary government leading the workers revolution never actually passes the power to the workers and actively tries to maintain it's own power...

Communism can only exist in a post scarcity society which hasn't existed.

>>138136607
Who steals from who in a voluntary exchange?

>>138136607
If you can make people to be able to live without food or desires then you could theoretically make communism work, until humans are not part of the equation it will never work.

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>>138136115
This post keeps coming back like herpes

>>138136784
Yeah its a problem. I don't think its impossible though. The early 20th century was a very different time

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>>138136188
fpbp

also

>88

>>138136890
no

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>>138136115
Both fascism and communism are impossible to implement because they are fundamentally anti-materialist. By attempting to institutionalise them, they become empty ideology that inevitably become caricatures of the spiritual principles underlying them

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>>138136749
Absolute power corrupts absolutely commiebro

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>>138136607
>someone risked his own wealth, paid me for my labor and I willingly purchased the goods. It's theft!

Fucking leftists

>>138137012
Its more like you voluntarily exchange to be ripped off because you aren't left with any alternative.

>>138136942
There is no saying people can't be richer than others under communism. The aim is just to reduce the class gap. If you want to become rich you have to work, there is just no other way.

>>138136115
>but an argument could be made that communism has never been implemented correctly.

Aaaaaaaaand the retarded meme becomes real once more due to edgy teenagers.

"Only one more horrific murder to go then we get 'real Communism' !!" - Literally Every Communist Ever

>>138136115

All communism is real communism when it fucking calls itself communism you fucking communist.

>>138137233
Is it your position that communism is the only way to prevent monopolies?

>>138137298
peaceful revolution is impossible. look at the blood that was shed to form your own country

all wrong takes so far itt

communism hasn't "failed"
what's happened is that communism has been tried in isolated instances
no country can survive on its own, for the simple reason that natural resources are not uniformly distributed: I don't give a shit which system ur trying to implement, u need to get stuff from other places (at least in industrial society)

here's a mental excersise: try to think of the reverse -- a sparse amount of capitalist states, distributed across the globe, with the vast majority of the world operating under communist principles, and of course embargoing the capitalist states. try to imagine the outcome of this scenario

>>138137543
yes this is a good point

>>138136115
communism = nazism = capitalism = jew tools

the problem is not that it wasn't implemented, but that it (or any other system) will never be allowed to be implemented in a way that promotes humanity and goes against the jewry.

>>138137233
How do you reduce the pay gap without stealing from the rich?

>>138136607
>The system entirely based off of mutual agreement between individuals is non-mutually agreeable.

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>>138137233
But the only way to get ahead in attempted communist societies was to work for the government which was why every other person in the USSR was an informant responnsible for carting off their neighbours to gulag for "betraying the revolution"

>>138137785
who said anything about not "stealing" from the rich?

>>138137233
>The aim is to reduce the pay gap
Explain how this is done?

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>>138136528
>the aim is to try again until billions rather than millions of farmers are robbed a la repeatedly failed shit ideology to feed useless subhuman parasites like me
Fuck off

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>>138137543
Capitalist state have always allocated resources most efficently. The problem with communism is the inefficient allocation of resources. Even if the scenario you describe the market economy of those countries would adapt. Communism doesn't. Chances are the majority of the world that is communist would become breadlines and the capitalist countries would have stocked supermarkets. There is no evidence to the contrary. During the Soviet reign of east Europe there were famines and starvation even though much of the territory was fertile land.

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>>138136115
Capitalists are the enemy is Communism the solution?
Lets find out

>>138136115
true fascism has never been tried, because bankers always tried to destroy it... nothing is as bad for bankers as a bunch of countries not giving a toss about your international loans or fiat currencies

>>138138170
How does capitalism allocate resources more efficiently?

>>138136115
http://www.diffen.com/difference/Communism_vs_Fascism


http://www.diffen.com/difference/Fascism_vs_Socialism

>>138138078
Billionaires don't make their money through hard work. They deserve to be rich in many cases but after a while they are just making millions sitting on capital. By removing being able to exploit capital for wealth naturally there won't be as big of a class gap

>>138138063
There it is.
Kill yourself you commie fucker.

>>138137412
not the only way. monopolies can also be a good thing in some cases but if they remove competition completely they won't be pressured to change for the better

>>138138568
yes good goy...protect your jewish overlords

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>2017
>ppl still fall for the commie meme
LMFAO

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>>138138400
Elastic supply and demand. The value of resources is based off the demand for them. It's to the benefit of the business owner to find the most efficient way to distribute the goods otherwise they will lose to competition.

>>138136115
Antifa Conquers Hennepin County with the Same Flag 1932 German Communist Party Used:

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>>138138708
marx himself agreed that this would not work

>>138138666
Tell me what you want to do as a communist, how is it good.

>>138138652
Your criticism of capitalism was identifying monopolies as theft, so you're really not presenting a consistent argument

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>>138138499
>By sitting on capital
They don't make any money by just having it in their possession, they have to invest it in others to earn anything from it.
>By removing being able to exploit capital for wealth, naturally, there won't be as big of a class gap
A: Are you proposing removing investing? How will new inventions be financed and rewarded?
B: Whats wrong with a class gap? As long as the average person (and the poor) is much better off, who cares?

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>>138137233
You can absolutely fuck off with that load of bullshit, capitalism with market regulations is far free-er of a system than communism.

How can you take away people's rights to create and own a business, force them to work for the government and then say that capitalists don't give people freedom of choice?

>>138138916
that's nice in theory but it doesn't work like that. you can artificially control the supply as in diamond mining and corporations can cooperate to benefit each other to the detriment of the consumer. this also encourages practices such as building products to fail and misleading the consumer is in general beneficial

>>138136115
>but an argument could be made that communism has never been implemented correctly.
no, it couldn't
kill yourself commie faggot

>>138138666
>"Reeeee ppl hav mur muny ten meee, dey most be eeviill, which meks it gud to take frum dem"
Why even strive for wealth when it'll be taken from me by jews like you.

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For you op

the first installment of marxist doesn't work very well, which was karls take on economics. what would make you think that his opinion of society, which is just extending the same idea to community, work either

>>138139246
What is it that you want to do as a communist?
Remove property rights, legalize theft, abolish the government?
The reason we have these systems is because people arent perfect.

>>138139246
>Corporations can cooperate to benefit each other...
No, it is in the best interest of a corporation in a cartel to cheat their competitors to maximise profit.

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>>138139528
The very concept of communism.is antithesis to truth and so is complete nonsense ignoring its economic absurdity.

>>138138960
Well my end goal is of course communism - a society wherein there is a scarcity of goods - goods are so abundant that any attempt to sell them for profit would be pointless as they are abundant.

To achieve this I advocate for a dictatorship of the proletariat wherein private property(note this is not the same as personal property) is abolished and major industries are brought under state control and run according to a planned economy. If implemented properly this would be good for everyone that doesn't hold capital investments or profit at the expense of others labour.

>>138139528
>Remove property rights
yes


>legalize theft
no

>abolish the government?
no. the state will wither away when there is no need for it anymore, i.e. classes have been abolished and there is a scarcity of goods

>>138139883
It is pure false Jewish nonsense and any followers of it completely lost to the world except for the enlightened who seek to lord over the lost.

>>138136115
helo GOmrades her we disguss the rebolushunary ideologe of gommunism x--DDD :D

smag da fashist!

>>138140026
>Lets remove property rights
>Theft still exists
How can you steal property that no one owns?

>>138140026
What need is there of a government without property rights?
You can take what you desire.

>>138139386
We don't want to take away wealth you have created for yourself. If you do a shitload of work you are entitled to more pay than someone that does the bare minimum.

We are against leeches, capitalists, that literally contribute nothing and profit from the labour of others.

>>138138170
>Capitalist state have always allocated resources most efficently
this has not been tested. capitalist states have always enjoyed overabundance of resources -- remember the rise of capitalism is linked to the discovery of the New World. literally two or three continents' worth of resources fueled mercantile capitalist societies of 15-18th century; later Africa and east Asia as well.
>would adapt
it's not a matter of adapting, it's a matter of not being able to physically get ahold of the goods because the rest of the world is boycotting trade with said state

>>138136115
>but an argument could be made that communism has never been implemented correctly
exactly
Why should we jump headfirst into anything that hasn't been tried yet?
How do we know our people are going to be receptive to it?

>>138136115
COMMUNISM IS NOT NAZBOL

>>138140239
>>138140254
ok i said personal property would remain and these rights would be enforced. i meant private property rights would be abolished

>>138140316
>We are against leeches, capitalists, that literally contribute nothing and profit from the labour of others.
YOU MEAN {{{THE J00S}}}?

>>138140485
Personal property is private property. If I can exclude someone from using it, it is private.

>>138137318

this needs to be stated more often

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>>138140026

The best and simplest counterargument to communism is the following: communism requires the government to have complete control over people's daily lives; the government is made up of people; people are fucking capricious idiots who can't be trusted to run their own lives, much less anybody else's; ergo, any communist government will fall apart because people are idiots.

If this triggers too much cognitive dissonance and you can't figure it out, and you refuse to read any history, please go down to the DMV and ask to update your driver's license photograph. Then imagine that level of bureaucracy to do literally anything, including eat. Then you will understand why communism is shit. And you will understand how Holodomor wasn't just a one-time thing.

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>>138139246
Here is an example you'll understand

>you and your communist friends want to suck cock
>you're all pozzed
>there is one non pozzed dude you all want to suck
>He demands a fee that is on the limit of what all you faggots will pay
>being cock hungry, pozzed faggots you willing throw your money at him to eat up cum
>capitalism

Or

>you hiv infected faggots assault him
>suck his balls dry
>Distribute his cum amongst your faggot mouth
>he dies
>cum famine
>communism

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>>138140485
Legalize theft abolish government and you have communist somalian utopia, the will of man andbhis well being is antithesis to the Jewish murderous deathcult of gommunism developed by reactionary capitalists.

>>138140316
But... Isn't it, Each according to their need half of your screed? The usual interpretation is that of nothing superfluous as I technically don't need a new Lexus or some other car. How in a communist regime I would satisfy my desire of things if it is like that?

>>138139741
Sometimes but not always. If you were in charge of a well established industry with a huge start up cost such as a mass production car manufacturer it would make a lot of sense to cooperate with your rivals for mutual benefit as you'd have a lot of leeway before a competitor could establish themselves in response

>>138140485
That is contradictory, Private property and personal property is literally the same.

>>138139386
>Why even strive for wealth when it'll be taken from me by jews like you.
it's funny because this is a frequent communist argument: why would any worker strive for wealth when any value created will be taken away by the capitalist?

>>138140977
COMMUNISM IS A WORK OF THE JEWS PLEASE STOP TALKING

>>138141057
The work of a single Jew, basically a leech living in britain.

>>138136115
They've tried to implement it more than enough times and it's consistently failed.

If they can't even get the first step right, what hope is there for the rest of the ideology?

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>>138141160
IS IT THIS JEW?

>>138140977
This is very contrived scenario, I could cheat and make a lot of money. Only if every party doesn't cheat does the cartel continue. I'm not against monopoly regulation, but communism isn't the solution for a handful of problems like these.

>>138141439
THAT JEW.

Thoughts? Ok, how about you google Bolshevik communism, and red terror. More thoughts? How about that Nazism and Fascism was a reaction to communism which killed 300 million people. More thoughts? How about... that communism won, has indoctrinated the United states, and that's why the media is baiting us into a race war. Closing thoughts.... hmmm.... OH YEAH. JEWS ARE THE ONES BEHIND THE COMMUNISM MOVEMENT.

>>138137652

No it's not, you retard.

>>138141498
I HATE JEWS

>>138140980
in communist/marxist parlance
private property = private ownership of the means of production specifically (mines, factories, productive land)
personal property = belongings in general (cars, computers, a house)

>>138140616
Many Jews are capitalists yes

>>138140647
>>138140980
No

Private Property - means of production(factories, railways)
Personal Property - personal possessions that do not produce capital(the house in which you live, your toothbrush)

Of course there are some grey areas such as hand held tools but i think there's a pretty clear difference between owning a factory 200 miles away and just collecting a fat cheque from it every month and the house where you live

>>138141744
ALL JEWS ARE BOURGEOIS AND MUST DIE

>>138136115
What is the incentive to be an Engineer instead of a Janitor. Why work harder when you are all equal.

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Communism will never work as long as self-centered people exist. Spoiler alert- they always will. Unless a way to eradicate ones sense of self comes to light there will always be individuals ready to use any system (especially Communism) to their own personal advantage.

>>138141610

Aren't you late for your helicopter ride? I hear your abuela can't wait to go to the Plaza de Mayo and talk about how much of a disappointment you are for supporting a murderous system of government as if you forgot the lessons of the last 40 years.

>>138141744
So then theft would be a grey area? As it currently stands, its pretty black and white.

>>138141927
Read about fascism you fucking faggot

Communism IS Jews

Stanley Payne A History of Fascism 1914-1945
Robert O. Paxton The Anatomy of Fascism
Walter Laqueur Fascism: Past, Present, Future
Roger Griffin Modernism and Fascism
Kevin Passmore Fascism: A very short introduction
John Pollard The Fascist Experience in Italy
Michael Mann Fascists
A. James Gregor Mussolini's Intellectuals
Daniel Woodley Fascism and Political Theory
Philosophy
Julius Evola Revolt Against the Modern World
Men Among the Ruins
Rene Guenon The Crisis of the Modern World
Oswald Spengler The Decline of the West
The hour of decision
Bertrand de Jouvenel On power, its nature and the history of its growth
Thomas Carlyle Heroes and Hero Worship
Gustav Le Bon The Crowd: A Study of the Popular Mind
José Ortega y Gasset The Revolt of the Masses
Francis Parkey Yockey Imperium: The Philosophy of History and Pltcs
Multiple authors Culture Matters: How Values Shape Human Progress
Giovanni Gentle The Philosophic Basis of Fascism
Alfredo Rocco The Political Doctrine of Fascism
Georges Sorel Reflections on Violence
Nicholo Machiavelli The Prince
Alexander Dugin The Fourth Political Theory
Sir Oswald Mosley A National Policy
Lawrence Dennis The Coming of American Fascism
Arthur J. Penty Post Industrialism
Guilds, trade and agriculture
Ezra Pound The ABC of Economics
Orthodox Fascism

>>138142130
COMMUNISM IS NOT NAZBOL YOU JEW

>>138136115
I'm from the former soviet union. marx's writings were followed to the tee and people were miserable. My grandparents told me that things only got better when stalin died and some reforms were allowed.

>>138137502
> total deaths pre-revolution
> total deaths during revolution
> total deaths post-revolution

The goal wasn't to increase logarithmically

>>138141470
>This is very contrived scenario, I could cheat and make a lot of money
How would you cheat?

>communism requires the government to have complete control over people's daily lives
no it doesn't

>people are fucking capricious idiots who can't be trusted to run their own lives, much less anybody else's; ergo, any communist government will fall apart because people are idiots
ok so you are arguing for a technocracy?

>If this triggers too much cognitive dissonance and you can't figure it out, and you refuse to read any history, please go down to the DMV and ask to update your driver's license photograph. Then imagine that level of bureaucracy to do literally anything, including eat. Then you will understand why communism is shit. And you will understand how Holodomor wasn't just a one-time thing.
what does the DMV being inefficient have to do with socialism? there are reasons for why the DMV is inefficient but they aren't related to communism.

>>138140735
in communism(socialism) assault would be a crime as it is today. that you can't coerce a man into doing something he doesn't want to do because he's desperate for money I see as a positive thing

>>138141961
Because the more you work the more you get paid. An engineers work is obviously going to be a lot more valuable and obviously is going to be paid more.

>>138142069
lmaoing @ ur life pal

>>138140868
>Legalize theft abolish government and you have communist somalian utopia
Did you not read my post? Somalia is not a post scarcity economy? It's more of an ancap utopia desu.

>>138140899
>How in a communist regime I would satisfy my desire of things if it is like that?
If you want luxury goods you will have to work hard for them. Socialist countries do not immediately abolish wages and just dictate things based on "to each according to his need" although that is the final end goal and which your Lexus would come under.

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Reminder that communism is suicide by starving

>>138136115
good ideas don't need to be forced on people

they are just good ideas

>>138142815
JEWS NEED TO EAT LOTS OF FOOD BECAUSE THEIR NOSE IS TOO BIG THATS WHY WE NEED TO KILL JEW

>>138136115
>(Insert "revolutionary" here) operated under a banner of communism when in reality he was using that as only an object to forward his own agenda!

Seems to be a pattern.

>>138142924
>Implying that you aren't a Jew

>>138142998
IF I WAS A JEW I WOULD HAVE PUT MYSELF IN THE GULAG ALREADY

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>when you political platform is 200 years old and has never produced a single successful nation and you have to save face by pretending like all those attempts...from the last 200 years... wasnt "real communism"

>>138142078
No there would be a clear distinction made between what is personal property and what is private property and stealing another's personal property would be theft and subject to punishment.

By this I mean a screwdriver in your shed would obviously be personally property but it could technically fall under the simplified definition of private property

>>138142346
Lmao, are all those in reply to me?
>How would you cheat
I would make a larger quantity and undersell. But that wasn't m main point, its that you don't need communism to fix monopolies.

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>>138143022
superior version

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>>138142419

>thinking money has any purpose in a post-scarcity society
>being this dumb
>not understanding his own retarded philosophy this badly

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>>138136115

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>>138136115
>but an argument could be made that communism has never been implemented correctly

>>138143157
The USSR was a successful nation

>>138143248
TROTSKY WAS A JEW PLEASE FIX THIS THANK YOU

>>138143022
The world seemed to be fine with it until fascists started invading other countries and advocating mass murder

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>>138143157
>try to abolish monarchy
>literally the entire world declares war on you
And it's actually 150 years.

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>>138143157
Same shit was in Russia. It took centuries for democracy to be established too.

>inb4 not real republics

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>>138143215

>there would be a clear distinction between personal property and private property
>your personal property could technically be private property

Troll confirmed, boys. Pack it in. Sage in all fields.

>>138143372

Explain the Holodomor, Stalin's purges and it's eventual collapse.

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>>138136115
>communism has never been implemented correctly
No it hasn't. You don't make men into cogs in the machine. Slaves of the commune. They'll just pretend to work and hate it.
You BUILD the slaves with technology and THEN you have your communist state because some kind of social order will be absolutely necessary in an environment where machines do all the work.
The communist, socialist ideal is a technological one. And NONE OF YOU, NOT ONE, SEEMS TO REALIZE IT.
You just keep wanting to do it NOW.
It won't work now you morons.
You need the tech. You need the science.
And you won't have to have a revolution.
And you won't have to argue and fight.
Because what you want? Will be a necessity.
Understand commies? You morons.

>>138143389
t. Jew

>>138143523
LENIN WAS A JEW THIS IS A BAD THING

>>138143235
yeh i meant to quote >>138140729 sorry

>>138143235
>you don't need communism to fix monopolies
I agree

communism is about a lot more than fixing monopolies

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>>138136115
>thoughts?
Communists need to be gassed.

>>138143671
PLEASE READ THIS POST>>138143103
THANKYOU

>>138143655
Explain the US's imminent collapse

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>>138143320
>>138143312
>>138143289

REEEEEEEEEE COMMUNISM WORKS, I HAVE NO EVIDENCE BUT I SAID SO SO IT"S TRUE REEEEEEEEEEEE

>>138143414
WEW LAD

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>>138143372

>successful nation
>literally millions starved
>killed literally millions of its own people for "dissent"
>literally no concept of human rights
>literally no concept of truth
>successful nation

And this, gents, is why Antifa is trying to destroy history. So everyone is this uninformed.

>>138137233
hard work alone won't make you rich. you have to be smart about how you do it.
back when i was in high school, i would see all the time people putting in more time for studying for tests than i did. yet i would come out with the better grade because i studied smarter and more efficiently.
the same applies to making money. you can't just expect your man hours to actually produce results unless you're using them smart and effectively

>>138143559
wtf?

>>138143655
that's a huge topic that will invariably degrade into arguing about specific details and sources and won't go anywhere productive for either of us.

>>138143215
What about where personal property meets private property?

Say I like to do machining as a hobby, I own a lathe in my home. I start to make products and sell them and it starts to become lucrative, so I buy a second lathe and get my son to help me sell more. When does my house become a factory, and my lathe equipment?

>>138143918
>>killed literally millions of its own people for "dissent"
ITS OKAY THEY WERE JEWISH

>>138143838
>Explain the US's imminent collapse

It's not collapsing, it's just going through a political rough patch because of political incompetence.

>>138142739
I never said socialism, I said Communism.
And in Socialism kinda try to make sure you don't want those things, because they not only take a lot of your money they make those kind of goods really expensive.

>>138143918
>>literally millions starved
same as in your country

>>killed literally millions of its own people for "dissent"
same as in your country

>>literally no concept of human rights
not true and again, your country commits human rights abuses across the globe and domestically

>>literally no concept of truth
haha ironic

>>138142346

Nobody's arguing for technocracy. Don't assume. Address the points made.

The DMV is a smaller example. All government agencies are inefficient and shitty, and that's why any government that requires extensive control over daily lives will fail. You would know this is you read a history book or dealt with any government official in any capacity.

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>>138142455

Man. You sure showed me, boludo.

>>138143973

just explain the holodomor then. I want to hear you leftypol fags say your usual bullshit about how those Ukranians deserved it. Don't try to lecture us about the merits of Communism when you people are capable of handwaving away the deaths of millions by starvation.

national Socialism is the most successful form of communism and it still failed. lmao.

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>>138143655
Ukrainian weather is shit, Stalin was paranoid, and bad management, which caused a backlash from the population.

Huge chunk of people regret the fall of communism and are growing more and more disillusioned with representative democracy and capitalism.

>>138143969
I think its fair to say that if you are smart and effective you should be making a lot of money. Can you exactly say that all rich people are smart even the ones who just happened to be the son of the company owner that inherited the company?

>>138144418
>national Socialism is the most successful form of communism and it still failed. lmao.

National Socialists and Communists are both Collectivists.

>>138136115
There's some interesting critiques of capitalism that communism and all it's offshoots contain. Zizek likes to point out that whenever a capitalist society breaks down the first thing people do is resort to their primal consumerist ideology (looting). Jews are also denied their prize by communism, it's why we need to go to war with North Korea and Cuba/VZ all the time because they don't have global bankers installed. China was smart enough to jump into the jewish banking cartel to avoid having a color revolution in their country.

People also derp about Stalin and Cuba, but there's other commie countries like Lao People's Republic which still persist. (Vietnam doesn't count, they're China 2.0). Lao is not that bad compared to it's neighbors, you can safely walk around and there isn't drug addicts piled sky high or desperate poverty everywhere. I still wouldn't want that system of government but you have to admit, they've done much better than every other shithole in that region filled with feral kids begging for change or entire families strewn out all over city streets. Absolutely zero jews too, and no immigration.

>>138144175
Citation needed.
If I do remember, the USSR is known for sending innocent citizens to gulags to be buried alive in the middle of the night.

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>>138143664
This is 100% true. Communism will never work among humans. Macines? Yes. Humans usually expect some sort of reward for their time and investment in any endeavour. We are programmable, but only to an extent. For a genuinely altruistic society (Communism) to exist it must rely on automatons.

Ironically capitalism has currently done more to help the poor than communism, In a way. I think the ideal world would look similar to what we have now but less lobbyists and less monopolies. You guys know the whole left calling people nazis was a response to mccarthyism right? No one could make a suggestion on how to deal with the shit when it was getting out of control with out being called a communist and being shunned for it. So the left adapted to call people nazis and racists, It was the only way.

Leftist ideas could of saved america from the rampant corruption and lobbyists and bankers we have today. But thank the red scare for that. Its something the right started because they are the true shills.

But anyways back to my point, the welfare state is actually caused by capitalism. The capitalist society we have now is actually befitting non workers more than communism can because there is enough rich to take off of.

It needs to be fixed in such a way though

If we got rid of lobbyist shills and right wing shills and the war economy we could actually make REAL progress.

I actually wonder what marx would think of the world today. I personally think he would see everyday people owning their own small business and shops as progress.

>>138144175

>Reads points
>Doesn't understand points because ignorant adolescent who has never studied history, government, or economics
>Doesn't understand "millions" or "starve"
>Has Never heard of "holodomor"
>Reddit spacing
>Only answer is "no you"

You're an idiot.

>>138136115
>but an argument could be made that communism has never been implemented correctly
But it has been implemented correctly. Communism, at it's core, is a pyramid scheme. Take the suckers money and run.

>>138144682
Marx formulated his theory based on machines.

>>138144942
MARX IS A JEW

>>138143978
In practice you'd almost certainly be fine with doing what you're doing. When you get to the stage where you're employing lots of people and stop having to work yourself that's when the state would be compelled to intervene and collectivise. But if it's just a hobby you do with your son then I don't see the problem.

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>>138144659
>USSR is known for sending innocent citizens to gulags to be buried alive in the middle of the night
What sort of comicbook villainy bullshit is that?

>asking citation for USA committing human rights abuses domestically and abroad
lmao

>>138136188
Fpbp. Praise

>>138136115
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/50/chapter-23/subchapter-IV

>>138144992
What about Engels or Hegel or the hundreds of other early communists?

if its never been tried and Communism has been taken over by ego maniacs why not just call it something else

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>>138136115
Hello gomrades! X_DDddDD Dis general is for disgussion of margsism-lebonnism, da ideology of ebin revolutionary socialism and gommunism.

Gommunism is da next stage of guckery following real society.

Wat exagtly is gommunism according to gommies:

>Gommunism is a stage of guckery in which the produgtive infrustrugture runs away from gommie country, and no goods are produced and beeple starve. X_-DDDD
>Gommunism in full form is obressive, statist society dat follows maxim "gib gib gib!" :-DDDDd
>To achieve gommunism we must replace broduction with murderous obressive rulers liek me, fug working glass beeple. XDDDD Struggle while I liquidate you all FUG. When capitalists run away we win and I gill you all. Eventually the fungtions of state stob and state becomes murderous and indistinguishable from other gommies. Da state withers away liek da people.
https://www.gommies.gom/fug/
https://www.gommies.gom/starve/

GL uses philosphy of gib and starve, see here:
https://www.gommies.gom/ohfugme/

It is recommend you kill yourself so you can avoid starving.

Resources:
https://www.gommies.gom/ohshid/
https://www.gommies.gom/1984/
https://www.gommies.gom/guck/
https://www.gommies.gom/probaganda/
https://www.gommies.gom/XDDDD/
https://www.gommies.gom/hiwherearethefood/
https://www.gommies.gom/benis/
https://www.islamiggommunism.gom/

Da sdages of gommunism.

>Sdage one
Bourgers aren't allowed to vode :-DDD but otherwise da system is digtadorshib of gommies. Everything is stole by digtadors and digtadors rule all.

>Sdade two
Withering
All beeple who aren't digtador glass starve. XDDD Once glass disabears and we steal everything more beeple wither away. Bolice begome unnecessary as beeple are dead lol :DDDDD Central blanning begomes unnecessary begause sgarcity caused starving. (BENIS :_DD)

>Sdage three
Gommunism.
No beeple. No food. My money. Much benis.

>Sdage 4
Nod real gommunism. Nexzt gountry. problems werent. :-DDdd

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>>138144426

>Ukrainian weather is bad which is why farmers literally had grain taken from them at gunpoint to be sent to Russia
>But those millions of people definitely starved because weather
>Also, even if what I say is true, it definitely doesn't completely annihilate the notion that a communist government can help people avoid material want

>>138145008
What do you mean "collectivise?"

>>138145018

>Admits USSR gov't was a comic book villain
>Still support communism

Really boils up the blood.

>>138136115

Every time people try to make a society with communist ideals ..that society fails. People don't fucking share, and lazy hippies piss off naturally industrious people. Communism, i agree, has never been implemented according to the theory's main ideals ...but thats because no such thing is possible. Again, the main reason it is not possible is lazy, dirty hippies.

>>138136115
>communism has never been implemented correctly

Well, if it hasn't, it's not for lack of fucking trying that's for damn sure. If the biggest proponents of your ideology have attempted it 10+ times in the last century and they've all failed miserably with the most death and destruction the world has ever seen, then I think there's a case to be made that your ideology is at the very least impractical, no?

>>138136188
this

>>138144163
Communism would only be achieved if there is an abundance of goods for everyone so you'd get your Lexus.

With regards to "what if everyone wanted super expensive things" I think this would be less of a thing after years of socialism. Why do you really want an expensive car or whatever for yourself? In a capitalist society it's a symbol of wealth and status and hence very desireable but that would surely be less evident in communism.

>>138144992
Who disliked jews and was actually labeled anti Semitic because of it and calling to attention that most jews are actually rich and want to keep their rule. your point?

>>138136115
Stalin was a true believer idiot. He didn't want states because the USSR would eventually fracture because people would still have seperate identities.

Fascism and communism always compete for the same disenfranchised population that has been screwed over by the previous generations. So they recruit from the same pool.

>>138144775
Modern day ex Marxists and 'leftist theorists' like Murray Bookchin advocated for a pretty good 21st century system: decentralized, face to face Athenian style democracy, and no vertical hierarchy so no one group of elites could enforce decisions on other communities. He called it 'libertarian municipalism' and Bookchin eventually refined it as a system of government anybody could start as a shadow regime to the actual regime, to ignore the state and actively subvert it with genuine people led democracy.

If you are ever bored read some of his books about it, it can easily be tweaked for a nationalist movement, or any group of people wanting to organize themselves as a shadow government to handle shit and do trade with each other.

>>138145454
JEWS=BAD

>>138145018
Gulag archipelago, the first person accounts of the Russian gulag system.

>>Asking for.....
No im asking for the citations on the millions starved and those killed for dissent.

>>138145433
That's not true communism though, that's state capitalism.

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>>138145194
>>138145360
ebin, simply ebin :)

>>138137259

This nails it. Communism has never been implemented. Resources much be distributed "according to need" in such a society. WHoever is in charge of distribution is by definition a dictator.

>>138143417
They change their name but they knew that back in 1950.
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/50/chapter-23/subchapter-IV

>>138144339
If people are fucking idiots then how is your country running? If you're going to reply with "the market dictates things, the people just respond to this" then I will say "people's needs determine a socialist society, the people just respond to this".

>All government agencies are inefficient and shitty,
You aren't providing concrete reasons for this inefficiency. That your capitalist country has an inefficient Government doesn't mean inefficient is an unequivocal truth.

>>138145594
That wasn't real communism

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>>138145594
>Alex "muh 66 gorrillion" Solzhenistyn
>spread dissent during wartime, which would get him shot in UK
>spent his sentence in tolerable conditions
>got his cancer treated
>got out and wrote a bunch of bullshit that even his own wife called him out on it
lul cucked

>>138144659
>Citation needed
any in particular or all of them?

>>138145873
You keep arguing for state capitalism faggot, not true communism. You don't even know how to LARP as a commie.

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>>138144942
Sure. However, one certainly cannot deny that there is a huge difference between machines and automatons. One (usually) requires a human to operate properly and the other completes tasks... automatically.

Again, the human operator must be taken into consideration. It's impossible to say that 100% of people will be willing to contribute to the "greater good" all day every day. Again, Communism requires a truly altruistic society which cannot exist in this, or any, dimension. Unless you are advocating the extermination of 95% of the Earth's population in order to usher in a brave new technological world? In that case, I hate to break it to you, but you won't benefit from this shift.

>>138144339

I am arguing for a technocracy. If you don't know how your computer/phone/car works, your are slave material.

>>138145595
>>138145648
Can't tell if bait, meme, or serious

>>138145873
>"people's needs determine a socialist society, the people just respond to this".

If by "socialist society" you mean, "people trading goods and services free of coercion", then your response would be accurate, in which case, that's not fucking socialism.

>>138145932
So? It was closer to communism than what ever existed. If it met more check boxes for communism, it wouldn't get better.

>>138145306
Either turned into a cooperative or become state owned, probably the former.

>>138145939
>Still wont provide citations
>Still wont argue

>>138146227
But then it would be USSR style state capitalism.

>>138136115
Fuck I want a quarter pounder now

>>138145433
>so you'd get your Lexus.
thats a low bar you set

>>138136188
Yes it was and it worked just fine until everybody invaded because the jews couldnt get their ideology of choice

>>138146171
Communism isn't inherently about the harsh decisions the Soviet union made

>>138146397
SEE THIS IS WHY THE JEWS ARE EVIL

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Your understanding of history...

is FUCKED.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OlB_xNOAn1c

CLEAN YOUR FUCKING ROOM

>>138146278
http://www.nytimes.com/2003/06/06/world/natalya-reshetovskaya-84-is-dead-solzhenitsyn-s-wife-questioned-gulag.html

>>138146227
Thats awful, I do nothing wrong and the state comes around to take my hard work and give it away.

>>138146649

https://archive.is/glANo

>>138146333
kek that's what he said he wanted who am i to judge

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>>138146570
>citing Kermit Peterson

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>>138136115

>Stalin operated under a banner of communism when in reality he was using that as only an object to forward his own agenda

>when in reality he was using that as only an object to forward his own agenda

>an object to forward his own agenda

Think very very carefully about this. Think very very carefully about who lead the revolution in Russia. Think very carefully who tried to lead it in Germany pre WW2. Think very carefully who has succeeded in softening the west to it.


ANON it was never implementable. It was meant to be used as an intellectual springboard to deliver power to its creators. The same way diversity is an intellectual springboard that is rapidly accomplishing the same objective.

BOTH travel under the banner of justice. In their manipulation of man's desire to be fair, they are pure evil.

Complete economic centralization can not be handled when scaled up to the national level. Economic activity needs to be decentralized and kinetic.

It is an impossible idea that was never meant to be possible in the first place and is trademark deconstructionist ego-intellectualism

>>138136115
This meme again. Repeat with me: socialism doesn't work because we're all humans and not ants or machines. Communism which is a much more extreme version, obviously can't work either. Stop dreaming about these futile utopias, which are all in fact horrible dystopias deep down.

>>138146158
Clearly "people trading goods and services free of coercion" is not the same as what I said

>>138138063
>Not stealing, just reallocating

>>138146661
Yes because you received compensation for the work you did and now you're just profiting from others who couldn't afford their own lathe.

>>138136188
>88
I love this post, but it needs to be revised.
Real fascism has never been tried without being destroyed via outside forces*

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OP:
"Well you know, that Stalin Character, he wasn't such a good guy, and wasn't very good at implementing MARXIST values. BUT ME, I'm pretty pure of heart and if you wouldve made me dictator for 20 years, UTOPIA would've arrived as promised.

First of all, if you think this...There is something wrong with you. You are DANGEROUS.

Second, Let's just say some Saint did get a hold of the tools of power and gave according to each's ability, to according to each's need.

And actually did it in a Saint-like matter.

HERE IS WHAT WOULD HAPPEN:

The next people in the Revolutionary String, like STALIN would come along and STAB THEM IN THEIR BED AT NIGHT...And THAT would be the END OF THAT.


Read the fucking Gulag Archipelago...or learn to read.

>>138147087
no i said stealing

/pol/ is a communist board

>>138147110
That's funny because that's how state capitalism works

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Hey guys, I'm a communist. Wait hold on! I need to take a big shit in my bants! BRRRAAAAAPPPPPPFFFFTHHHHHHHH-BRMMMMMPPPPFLLLLLTHHHHH-SHEEELPT

Oh my god that felt good, much better. Any way, what I was trying to say is that we need to seize the means of repro.........Hol up, I gotta suck 40 cocks. SLUUUURRRRPPPPLLLLLLLDDDD-LICK LICK LICK-SHLICK-GRLLLLGLLLLPRLLLL OH YEAH FUCK MY FACE.

Sorry about that....... ANY WAY

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THERE WERE PEOPLE STARVING SO BADLY IN the 1920's in RUSSIA;

THEY HAD

>FUCKING POSTERS TELLING THEM NOT TO EAT

>THEIR OWN

>CHILDREN

We've been down this road before...So fuck off.

200 million dead in the 20th Century.

Eat shit and fuck right off.

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>>138147264
Down in front.

>>138146732
lol
Why are all of you trying to be rich under communism all you get is the goat milk rat cheese the standard government approved car the Obama phone and net neutrality.

>>138147162
This is exactly what I have been trying to say.

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>>138136951

Because it was never meant to. Infact it was meant to do the opposite. It was built to say...

"We are going to create this utopia of economic justice but first we need to take over everything and you need to submit everything you own to us"

Who..?...wha?.?....

Who is this fucking stupid?!

>>138147110
Everything costs money to get into, if I chose a knitting company, would it have not been collectivised?

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>>138147360
>>138136115

Meanwhile, you're in your parent's basement on Friday Night watching tentacle porn and wondering why you're such a fucking garbage human.

Simple...

THE MEANING OF LIFE:

>IS
>RESPONSIBILITY FOR YOURSELF

You fucking twats!

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>>138136188
>>138136115
Germany was doing pretty well under Hitler until the war.

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>>138136115
OP:
>"Well you know, that Stalin Character, he wasn't such a good guy, and wasn't very good at implementing MARXIST values. BUT ME, I'm pretty pure of heart and if you wouldve made me dictator for 20 years, UTOPIA would've arrived as promised.

First of all, if you think this...There is something wrong with you. You are DANGEROUS.

Second, Let's just say some Saint did get a hold of the tools of power and gave according to each's ability, to according to each's need.

And actually did it in a Saint-like matter.

>HERE IS WHAT WOULD HAPPEN:

The next people in the Revolutionary String, like STALIN would come along and STAB THEM IN THEIR BED AT NIGHT...And THAT would be the END OF THAT.


>Read the fucking Gulag Archipelago...or learn to read.

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>>138147624
b-b-b-ut real communism.... hol up (Shits pants)

Has never... hol up (sucks 40 cocks)

been (smokes glue out of a lightbulb)

Tried...... also this >>138147335

>>138147598
Your machining "hobby" has changed to "business venture" which is the issue here

>>138136749
unless you have a robot overlord I ain't buying it, And robots are fucking horrible at making decisons.

>>138136115
Communism always either collapses or devolves into national socialism. Corruption kills it every time.

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>>138136550

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>>138147598
Why does it cost money to get into? How much of the cost is just bullshit overhead caused by capitalism?

>>138146649
https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/local/2003/06/05/natalya-reshetovskaya-dies-at-84/15a67b5d-284c-4c88-a167-e4c36a4a7ee5/?utm_term=.efe91785aad4

She worked for the KGB idiot.

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>>138136115
When you desperately want friends but you have nothing to offer anyone ever anywhere.

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>>138147975

>>138147818
So you support private businesses huh comrade. Yep you definitely are arguing for state capitalism.

Vietnam put true communism into work and it failed so fast. Of course the farmers and everyone isn't turning in all their shit to be distributed. My wife's family had to wait in the food lines, terrible. They started re-instituting free market reforms immediately, as people were starving.

>>138136115

DESU? Watch "the soviet story" it tells the truth about what was happening between Hitler and the URSS... Their similarities and differences but their unquestionable roots (Marx, specially when its about genocide), and if you read Marx, you'll see that Hitler was more likely to be the real and pure communist. Not to mention that Marx's communism has no government whatsoever! Socialism would be the path to communism, then the leaders and the party would step out and the nation would live in harmony.......... Which contradict the nature of men itself, we are competitive and not only does socialism forbids it but also does communism or would do if it existed

NO TRUMP
NO KKK
NO FASCIST USA

Eliminate competition in the free market so it doesn't benefit any individual to work hard, take risk, innovate, or be responsible. Makes sense...

>>138147975
I'm currently reading an anon's unreleased book exposing bolshevik communism for (((what it is)))

It's the reason that Hitler literally did nothing wrong.

>>138147818
Yes, but so did the knitting hobby. The only difference is the overhead disappears. Why does it need to be redistributed?

>>138147975
I already looked into this. He isn't related to them.

>>138136115
are you fucking kidding me?

shut the fuck up you absolute retard. jesus fucking christ. we still gotta deal with this shit?

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Your understanding of history...

>is FUCKED.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OlB_xNOAn1c [Embed]

>CLEAN YOUR FUCKING ROOM

>>138148293
Why exactly are people knitting for you and not themselves?

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>>138136115
Every single attempt at communism has resulted in a murderous totalitarian shithole. 15 year old communists think this is an argument in favour of them.

>>138136115
>but an argument could be made that communism has never been implemented correctly

Yeah, one terrible argument.

>>138146025

You're an idiot too

When people say "real communism hasn't been tried" what they are actually saying is "real authoritarianism hasn't been tried"

>>138148088
When you want to eliminate employment as a life option.

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>>138148210
>no Trump
Trump is awesome, though.

>>138148457

do you know how your phone works?

slave detected

>>138145873

The government is running despite people being idiots because the government doesn't control every aspect of people's lives, you impossible moron.

>capitalist countries are inefficient but not muh glorious communist utopia!
>provides no reason to think otherwise
>ignores communist inefficiency and 3-hour long breadlines

>>138148493
what they are saying is "i cannot fathom a system that isn't immediately implemented when its adherents get into power therefore you are stupid"

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>>138136115
Communism would never work because of the main component. Humans. The only group that could make communism work are robots. That's it. No more discussion is needed.

>>138136115
lol at all this shit about voluntarily exchange in this thread. Quit thinking Marxism is Communism. Communism predates Marx.
The earl Christians formed a Communist society by selling their possessions and putting the proceeds into a common treasury where they could take according to their need. The system relies on enough contribution to the common incentivize people to perpetually contribute as they know a selection few can't do all the work to support everyone. Communism does not entail a government, as governments are designed to protect minorities such as the rich (but all illusively smokescreen it as niggers, women, cripples, etc.) whereas communist egalitarianism entails decentralization of power and centralization of a medium of exchange, the common treasury. Yes, in effect in Communism everyone would bankroll each other as much as possible but it's justified with ten absence of hierarchy; streamlining the process via the absence of bureaucratic red tape.

>>138148399
Because I can directly pay them for their efforts, they don't have to go out and find buyers (which you could say is the overhead). However, there is nothing stopping them form finding their own buyers; its a competitive market, as soon as I make profit, others will join the market to equalise marginal social benefit and marginal social cost.

>>138145688

Nobody ever called British occupied Ireland a bastion of freedom and democracy.

Also
>strictly control food stores to be used to relieve worst struck areas
>definitely do not take food from people who are starving to give it to other people who are starving, leading to a bunch of people still starving

Of course Stalin was a bad manager. Ever centrally dictated economy is terribly managed. There is no competition or free hand to manage the economy, just central dumbasses in government stealing everything. I audited governmental entities at my old job as a CPA. They steal 50% and waste the other 40%. Hundreds of thousands missing, millions overspent on construction because they were receiving kickbacks, incompetence, and corruption. Government should be highly localized with minimum power. Tax revenue should be primarily brought on by the municipality and spent by them. Do away with federal taxes for everything except border defense and military. They steal and waste a lot too, so cut their budgets in half.

>>138148006
It's like stepping into fucking bizzaro world with these left memes

It's worked exactly as intended every time. It's a small group convincing the useful idiots to give the small group absolute power.

>>138147792
This is a fallacy. You are using absolute moral equivalency and suggesting that one person cannot do a better job than another.

>>138147360
Honestly, I have no idea any more. I see Trump and he's an idiot, so I know this is wrong.

I listen to NPR and Pod Save America and they seem too indulgent of the status quo, so I know this is wrong

I listen to Chapo and go on /leftypol/ and they want to overthrow the government and make my way of life as I know it stop, and we've seen what that does so I know this is wrong.

What is a sensible American to do? Fuck nazis, fuck communists, how do we all live peaceablely and comfortably in this country in a way where we all can benefit, and nobody gets on each other's nerves?

The only thing this thread told me is that objective truth doesn't exist; People will only accept words that fit in their perception of reality.

Debate doesn't exist, war is the only way to truly win.

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OP:

>"Well you know, that Stalin Character, he wasn't such a good guy, and wasn't very good at implementing MARXIST values. BUT ME, I'm pretty pure of heart and if you wouldve made me dictator for 20 years, UTOPIA would've arrived as promised.

First of all, if you think this...There is something wrong with you. You are DANGEROUS.

Second, Let's just say some Saint did get a hold of the tools of power and gave according to each's ability, to according to each's need.

And actually did it in a Saint-like matter.

>HERE IS WHAT WOULD HAPPEN:

The next people in the Revolutionary String, like STALIN would come along and STAB THEM IN THEIR BED AT NIGHT...And THAT would be the END OF THAT.


>Read the fucking Gulag Archipelago...or learn to read.

fuck commies fuck nazis sage

>>138148633
>The government is running despite people being idiots because the government doesn't control every aspect of people's lives, you impossible moron
You're the moron for just assuming that I'm advocating for the Government controlling every aspect of a person's life which is absolutely ridiculous. You must have believed your countries propaganda that the USSR controlled every aspect of everyone's life and hence it must be the same for all socialist systems. Having a centrally planned economy is not the same as "couldn't take a shit without first obtaining permission from the state".

It's pointless arguing about relative inefficiencies when you clearly know nothing about socialism but think you do.

>>138149240
Debate me on why humans can't breathe in space. (W/o the use of apparatuses)

Yep. I started a business with around $15,000 I saved working as an accountant around 5 years ago. I do millions per year in revenue now. Governmental regulation is the largest contributor of overhead. Ask any business owner. Big corporations are communists these days because want to hold onto their market share, and high taxes and regulation keeps people from starting businesses and keeps small business from growing. Growing businesses burn through tons of cash, and of course, taxes are paid in cash on PROFIT, regardless of true free cash flows.

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>>138149338
Then you don't fucking understand government, or your efforts to EXPAND IT.

THREADLOCKED

SAGE

>>138136115
Utopia is impossible.

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>>138149338
>y-you know nothing about socialism

Remember when that dumb billionaire predicted to the absolute minute the bottom of the housing market. He tweeted in, calling it the bottom, and it was 100% accurate. But yea, what a dummy Drumpf is.

>>138149338
>>138148898
Not sure if you saw my post because of the mountain of shit.

>>138136115
>There is a lot of criticism of communism on the board, but an argument could be made that communism has never been implemented correctly.
>Even Lenin said that Marx's vision had never been tried, and that it needed to be forced.
The flaw in Marxism it it's reliance on altruism. People are inherently selfish. We only act generous when we are intelligent enough to have a capacity for empathy. This might be why we see so much Marxism in academia. Unfortunately the well meaning intentions of the intelligent are subverted by the selfish.

>Stalin operated under a banner of communism when in reality he was using that as only an object to forward his own agenda.
He ultimately ended up with National Socialism(China too) because national identity is more cohesive than class. National identity is also why predictions of communist revolutions world wide never happened.
Read animal farm. Then tell me what animal Stalin was represented by.

>>138149338
Is this something you tell to the face of Nancy Pelosi or Maxine Water? You think people like them will allow you to live?

>>138149794
* is its

>>138143414
Banks pretty much immediately put germany on a trade blockade though, far before any wars.

>>138149794
>This

>>138136115
>an unachievable utopian goal didn't get implemented correctly
Imagine my shock
Fuck off.

>>138149614
You look at and believe memes way too much. Get off the internet. Yall are just shills for the bible thumping oil grabbers now. SO EDGY

>>138144942
Funny how soviet were making their own internet in the 70s to let computers do a lot of the bureaucracy but it was shelved because workers didn't want to lose their jobs

>>138148898
Well in a socialist economy you'd be selling directly to the state for a fixed price so there's absolutely no benefit to the workers working for you as they could do the same, unless you're selling on the black market.

>its a competitive market, as soon as I make profit, others will join the market to equalise marginal social benefit and marginal social cost
Which is why in a capitalist system you should start moving your capital into a range of industries so that if your knitting business becomes unprofitable you have other ventures to fall back on so that you don't have to actually do anything productive

>>138136115
Communism will never work because exceptional people aren't willing to sacrifice for dead weight wastes of space. If I don't get to enjoy what I produce the way I want to then I simply won't produce. By seizing the name is production, communism only means controlling people. But you can't control exceptional people and all humanity depends upon them. Limiting the individual is a death sentence. Communism is doomed to failure.

>>138149910
i do not know who these smelly democrats are

>>138150431
>Well in a socialist economy you'd be selling directly to the state for a fixed price

Good luck with that economy.

>>138142739
Post scarcity of what?
Somalia is communism, open borders remove gubbment, no provate property

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>>138150431
Sounds like state capitalism again

>>138150515
They and their types will be the leaders once you allow communism to take over.

>>138136115
communism works against human nature.it is unnatural. move on from it. communism is death for your family, one way or another.

>>138150562
>Post scarcity
post-scarcity means the time where trading is pointless because there is no longer a scarcity of goods, meaning that trading becomes impossible since nobody will want your carrot when there is an abundance of carrots.

somalia does have private property because it is enforced by warlords with money i.e. ancapistan.

>>138150785
they are probably neoliberals that will be GULAGED

What stops somalian warlords in communism?

>>138150534
thanks, good luck with your warlords

>>138150431
>I'd be selling to the state at a fixed price
How does the state know the price? I know the price in a competitive market because I sell as high as I can before people stop buying, and I produce the amount until one more unit costs more than I can sell it. I highly recommend reading more on micro-economics.

>Which is why in a capitalist system you should start moving your capital into a range of industries so that if your knitting business becomes unprofitable you have other ventures to fall back on so that you don't have to actually do anything productive
There is an opportunity cost associated to moving my capital from one market to another. Also I refer to economic profit (which includes opportunity costs, along with other values), which in the long run always equals zero in a competitive market.

>>138151150
How would they have power? Why would you support a warlord?

>>138136115

The only time that Communism has worked is when it's been implemented by insects.

Otherwise it fails.

>>138151254
>warlord offers a market economy

Everyone flocks to said warlord.

>>138150936
>trading goods is pointless because there is infinite goods
>therefore people will want nothing
What the fuck am I reading.

>>138151353
yes in the same way i cannot go outside and pick some blades of grass and try and sell them - there is an abundance of them and hence they are worthless

>>138151254
because they have the weapons and kill.

>>138151345
>dude we have everything we need here but lets just go live under this warlord for shits and giggles

>>138151297
>tfw true communism is one can of Raid away from falling apart