What is oneness? Do you believe in it?

>>138107795
Yes. Shit is about to happen, make sure you find peace.

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>catholicuck
even worse than atheism

>>138107795
Ok but if god exists why does cancer exist?

>>138109884
I'm not actually a Catholic, but I am still wondering what Oneness is versus the Trinity, is there any theological arguments or biblical evidence for it?

>>138109884
>Confess sins to a priest
The point isn't to have the priest forgive, it is an act for you to let go of sin from your heart by telling somebody. You don't even have to go to a priest, you could confess while praying.

A reminder to Catholicucks that Protestantism is the religion of America, the KKK dislike you Catholicucks along with kikes for a reason. We were pushing eugenics to advance our species, along with enacting the prohibition to stop degeneracy.

The intrusion of cultural Christianity is what caused the downfall of Europe. You catholicucks are also mostly liberal in the US.

>>138110511
disliked*

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>>138109884
I dunno, maybe I could be some kind of protestant. It's just my family is atheist since WWII , so I kinda inherited their thinking. Isn't it almost always like this? If you are born in catholic family - most likely you will be catholic. If you were born in middle east - muslim. That's how it goes.

>>138109884
catholicism is for stupid beaners

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Guys pls answer my questions

>>138107795
Orthodoxy or Death

>>138110894
I'm not sure what you mean by "oneness." Are you talking about something specific? Can you link me?

>>138110018
the universe was difficult to create, there are some bugs. To let billions of people to exist, and for them all to turn out perfect? Especially considering the amount of free will of decision and action, which to degrees may raise and lessen the prevalence of cancer. Biology is what it is

>>138107795
If by "oneness" you mean the oneness of God and Christ as a single deity and not trinitarian tritheism horseshit then yes I believe in oneness.

>>138107795
>If atheism solved all human woe, then the soviet union would have been an empire of joy, instead of the land of corpses
It was lol
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/12/opinion/why-women-had-better-sex-under-socialism.html

>>138112242

https://archive.is/cgJtE

>>138111985
This seems to deny omnipotence. You seem to be saying that God is not powerful enough to create something perfect, or to create a system without evil. If you argue that free will is the reason for this (which is jumping over the question anyway since free will is independent of the pain of cancer) then creating free will is by definition an act of evil, as you are creating evil.

I posed the question as a half joke but I've researched the shit out of all different types of religions and religious thinkers and I have literally never heard a satisfying answer to this basic question.

>>138107795
Did you get this meme from cmfanel on insta?

you'll find out when you leave your body.

go eat mushrooms or get into a car accident
or kys.

>>138110089
Oneness is a state of mind or being
The Trinity is an existential format of reality, all things are bound to its' principle.
While Oneness could be considered the ideal state within the Trinity (not the Holy Trinity), many have achieved ostensible oneness without Trinitarian knowledge.
>Biblical evidence
Jesus prays for people to become One with God as he had... But just fyi, the concept isn't exclusive to Christianity. It's an integral part of most religions.

>>138112365
I got it from a Discord server where the people discuss politics, philosophy and theology.
>>138111150
; )

>>138112300
Why archive, give the writers their deserved ad revenue :^)

>>138112584
Care to link the discord server?

I need a break from the right wing, a place where I can talk with some real Christbros

>>138112362
All powers dude , even the power to fuck up your own power.

>>138110018
Life is suffering after expulsion from Eden. more or less. If there was no challenge in life it would be heaven, not life.

>>138112362
>This seems to deny omnipotence. You seem to be saying that God is not powerful enough to create something perfect

That is the theory of heaven. According to these theories regarding God, the world is a testing ground to determine what souls get to move on to what levels.

>or to create a system without evil.

Evil comes from individual. The freedom of an individual to think about potential. It is impossible, as far as anyone can posit, that a mind can be created, or all minds can be created, and have them all impossible to recognize the possibility of an evil action.

If it is possible to recognize the possibility of an evil action (for example, knowing that being hit with an object hurts, knowing that an individual hurting is unwanted, seeing an object, seeing an individual, recognizing the potential for that object to be used to hurt that individual... it is simply possible for evil actions to occur, because minds and objects exist, and minds can possibly realize objects can be used to harm, from that point, it is entirely up to the individual to choose: you are asking why God does not 'pause' every individual who chooses to act wrongly, why God does not disintegrate every individual right before they carry out an evil act? Indeed, how different would the world be if that occurred, and therefore every single person was aware that God existed and brutally punished evil.

>>138110402
it's actually a ploy to cement the priest's social power by giving him power of judgement/blackmail over the congregation

you see the same behavior in every oppressive cult from juche north korea to scientology

>>138109884
>This breaks the 2nd Commandment
Stopped reading there.

>>138112938
Uh, here you go, just don't /pol/ it up too much I guess. Remove B

httBps://disBcord.Bgg/aABvfsD

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>>138109884
>no man father
This is referring to Heavenly Father, scripture refers to earthly fathers(parent) as father.
>Jesus forgives sins
He also gave the apostles the power to reconcile men to him, being given the power to hear and absolve sins.
>prayers to dead saints abomination
Necromancy is an abomination(contacting the dead), however Christ and the apostles communicated with Abraham, also prayer to saints is more like asking for them to pray to God for them rather than worshipful prayer.
>made Mary co-mediator
This isn't a dogma of the Catholic Church
>prayers to Mary
This is the same as prayers to the saints.
>idol worship
See image related what is permitted under the second commandment concerning religious images.

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>>138107795

>>138113305
Why did God create pain in the first place? If he had not, then freedom could exist without the possibility for cruelty.

A second point, why did God create freedom then? If free will meant that cruelty and evil would exist, it never should have been created.

>>138112242
>guys, someone told us some women had better sex under this system, therefore this system is the best

>>138113354
If a priest ever speaks aloud of what he hears in confession he gets excommunicated.

God is composed of the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost. All separate entities that make up God. This is just the basic doctrine of the trinity.

>1 John 5:7
For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

>>138110511
Protestants are basically the same as atheists.

>>138113897
Matthew 28:19 - Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

Independent, Fundamental, King James Only, Soul-Winning, Born-Again Baptized Believing Baptist.

Not Protestant.
Not Catholic.
Not Orthodox.

It's just read the Bible and preach exactly what it says.

>>138107795
you were a faggot then and now OP

>>138114580
>KJV only

I mean it's pretty writing but terrible for accuracy. I don't even think it notes that the ending past 16:9 is an outright addition not created by the original author

>>138113620
>Why did God create pain in the first place? If he had not, then freedom could exist without the possibility for cruelty.

Just because there is no pain, does not mean an individual can not be captured and placed in a prison cell for no reason for 500 years.

By no pain are you implying no death? Or no. Maybe one answer to your question is technical issues, but also maybe the universe/world exists as it does because thats how God wanted it to, maybe God wanted people to struggle some for their life, and not just give a quadrillion souls the experience of a pretty awesome universe/world for free.
>A second point, why did God create freedom then? If free will meant that cruelty and evil would exist, it never should have been created.

Because freedom/freewill is a byproduct of consciousness. How could God create consciousness, and then have it be impossible for that consciousness to think about certain possibilities. Well, there are certain possibilities we cannot think about because we are limited (like extremely complex math and stuff). A there are things certain creatures, insects and stuff, perhaps cannot think about because their limitations of mental. We presume creatures started out closer to being very limited mentally. And it was thought it was a long time of lowly creatures striving to know and think more, that led to minds being able to visualize and process more information. This is the concept of garden of eden and mans fall. Though even ants seem to have some coherent colony relationship, I wonder what their rates of murder, rape and theft are, and I wonder how much they can be blamed for knowing not what they do?

>>138112362
Pretty sure omnipotence is a meme. Was there ever actually anything in older bibles saying "omnipotence"? And even if there is, maybe its a "can" do anything but there still needs to be some sort of Godly effort.

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>>138107795
your type are always the greatest hypocrites, passing judgement onto others who don't yet see the light, when lord knows how long it took you to get there yourself.

the Catholics on this board really need to get off their high horse and practice what they preach instead of shouting 'heresy' and condemning prots and baptists.

Orthoturks can just fuck off with their larpign based Roman xD

>>138115561
im sure if the small goldfish in a person fishtank could think it they may as well consider their owner 'omnipotent'

>>138107795
spirituality > organised religion.

>>138107795
Loser character in the OPs pic is the kind of no-real-convictions-of-my-own cunt who would change back to atheist in another years time

>>138115561
http://www.allaboutgod.com/god-is-omnipotent-faq.htm

>>138115486
>maybe God wanted people to struggle some for their life

I would define that as evil. In terms of how the world has turned out, I would actually define God as the most evil thing in existence if this is true.

>Because freedom/freewill is a byproduct of consciousness.

Then creating consciousness was evil. It doesn't matter how far up the tree you go, if God created it and it led to evil, the creation itself is evil.

>>138112362
>free will
>free to dip tobacco
>get mouth cancer
Cancer and diseases have corrolations to free will

>>138116171
>I would define that as evil. In terms of how the world has turned out, I would actually define God as the most evil thing in existence if this is true.
It is the possessors of consciousness that can be evil. God created a realm, create the possibility for people to experience themselves and that realm. If it is best for goodness to exist, then it should strive to, if it is best for goodness to eliminate evil then it should strive to. How many people make video games and movies with guns and killing, who have never killed anyone in real life? How can it be possible, the mind can think of 'infinity' things, the mind can try to think of all possibilities, it jut can 'all possibilities exist in theory', how can a mind exist that cannot think 'it is possible for a person to be harmed', (your answer, God should have made it impossible for a person to be harmed, but I countered that by suggesting the locked in a cell),

How can a mind possibly exist that can recognize the fact of gravity, a rock falling dropped from a height, and not recognize that would not be good to land on someones head?


>Then creating consciousness was evil. It doesn't matter how far up the tree you go, if God created it and it led to evil, the creation itself is evil.

You can take this up with God, some may say I would rather to have never known earthly life, I would have rather to have never existed as human, than exist at all. And God can say, there was no way for us to know that unless we tried. Everyone who is, was given the opportunity to experience something rather than nothing, some are thankful for that opportunity, some may have been thankful but were born or passed into unfavorable circumstances, and some believe that under no circumstances could they have thought living as a human on earth was a net positive experience.

>>138107795
I completely understand the reasoning behind why a lot of atheists are cunty snobs, yet it still baffles me that someone can willingly be such a faggot about shit that has no effect on your life.

>>138109884

>the Catholic Bible is somehow opposed to Catholicism

Wew, Protcucks not even once

>>138110610

Sounds like an excuse to justify laziness

>>138117736
a lot of it did have effect on peoples lives. And that justified the atheist equal and opposite force of reaction. Young indoctrination with arguable beliefs, the fear of the power of the church to not be separate from the state, to name some.

>>138117173
>free will
>Live and get ALS
>Free will
>Get born to the wrong place and get raped every day of your life
>free will
>Random mutation on your gene kills you painfully shortly after birth

Many many many diseases just happen because of shit luck.

>>138117400
>How can a mind possibly exist that can recognize the fact of gravity, a rock falling dropped from a height, and not recognize that would not be good to land on someones head?

Simple, create a realm with no gravity. Locked in a cell? Make a world where we can move through objects freely. A dog can exist with a certain level of consciousness, look at a mirror and not be able to comprehend it is looking at itself. You can therefore create varying levels of consciousness able to conceive or not conceive of certain ideas.

>You can take this up with God

This is all why I believe a good and etc. god doesn't exist, and if I'm wrong and I stand before him when I die I will not bow without my questions answered.

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>>138115836

anyone who goes from being a staunch atheist to a devout Christian has some sort of mental illness.

>>138117736
so Muslims invading and trying to implement sharia law and no go zones has no effect on my life because I'm atheist?

>>138118021
>Simple, create a realm with no gravity. Locked in a cell? Make a world where we can move through objects freely.

create a realm with no gravity, everyone and everything always floating in all different directions? Get working on it, let me see the draft, I will pass it on to the suit upstairs.
>A dog can exist with a certain level of consciousness, look at a mirror and not be able to comprehend it is looking at itself. You can therefore create varying levels of consciousness able to conceive or not conceive of certain ideas.

A dog can also more easily rip a childs face off for hearing a noise, no?
That is the theory, Humans were originally not as created as intelligent as they now are. That is the theory of the intro of the bible, as humans sought more and more knowledge, the potentials to be evil increased.

>>138109884
>He follows Mosaic Laws
Go die kike

>>138107795
>the USSR failed because it was atheist
Fucking retard, the USSR failed because it was COMMUNIST. And don't give me that bullshit about how atheism causes society to have no values or morality, it is pure nonsense. Morality and values are the product of a high IQ, WHITE society. My family came from the USSR, they had strong traditional values, at one point fags were even jailed for example, they view this western society as pure degeneracy, and I do so to an even greater degree while being 100% atheist. I am less supportive of degeneracy than the average religious normie faggot. The only atheists who are immoral are the ones who will be immoral anyways, they are animals form the get-go, they are born as beasts, raised as beasts by bestial parents, and in their tiny pea-brained "wisdom" are incapable of understanding that traditional values and ideas were made by man over a long period of time, god had nothing to do with it, but brainlets think that "hurr durr your book wasn't actually written by god therefore it can't contain any wisdom hurr durrr!!!".

>>138118457
I'm talking about god, not political beliefs.

>>138118824
but religion and the belief of god dictates political beliefs which is a giant issue. are you that dense that you don't get that? why do you think separation of church and state is something that is so heavily preached in a civilized society?

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>>138107795
I remember when I was a Fedora I want to go back and slap myself.

>>138113305
Good post

The whole idea of oneness is creepy shit. I am me. I am not every bloody cultist who ever lived. Too many of them were pedophiles, anyways, and that is certainly something I am not 'one' with.

You know who believes in oneness? Narcissists. You know what they mean when they say they are "one" with another person? They mean that other person is acting out their will.

Learn to reject oneness the way you learn to reject death!

>>138107795
As Voltaire said, to paraphrase, "Before we can converse, define your terms."

Define oneness, define God, define religion, define faith.

All those things change from person to person, so discussing them without rigid definitions at least everyone in the discussion agrees on is pointless.

>>138118521
>create a world without gravity
Aight, free movement in 3D space with no force restricting you. This is God we're talking about, under the assumption that he is powerful enough to create literally everything.

>A dog can...
I didn't say dogs weren't evil, I said they exist on a level where they cannot conceptualize things that we can.

>Humans were originally...

Make them omniscient then, or don't give them access to said information. I mean, assuming the origin story is (semi) literally true, just don't create the tree of knowledge. Of course it is a much more interesting story as a metaphor and a probe into earlier cultures, but we're riding on the idea of an all powerful god, most likely the one from the traditional abrahamic religions.

Point being you can talk about individual points of possible causes of humans doing evil things, and I'm saying "well then the problem could be solved by not making humans that way" or by making the world they live in a different way.

>>138119570
I agree with you anon, I am so glad to see someone espouse this view. Too often everyone everywhere treats these ideas as inherently positive, reincarnation, "oneness", eternal life, etc. For me, being one with everything is a fate far worse than nonexistence. I am ME, my ego refuses to be blended with something that is NOT ME. Seems like the ultimate manifestation of the herd mentality, to want to be literally bound to everyone else and lack your own identity.

>>138120101
>Point being
You are saying, why didn't God only make Heaven, why did God make a realm separate from Heaven?

Lets say God only made Heaven, how many souls about would you suggest should/would be there? How would God prevent an evil action from occurring in Heaven? (by making it impossible for any being to think it was possible to carry out an evil act? Or your answers, by making people be able to move through objects, (this implies a lack of physicality, this implies heaven must be 'fake'/digital.)

I agree. We should lie to our kids, we should brainwash our kids with whatever religion we want(kids will "believe" in the religion we brainwash them to and they will NEVER EVER EVER research and chance religions) and then we should send our kids to die in wars ;) Totally great idea. I agree dude...


Proof religions and gods are fake and illogical and against intelligence: Humans get brainwashed by their families and kids "believe" in that religion their whole lives. Every region has its own religion. Are people from other regions going to hell forever to get tortured just because they were born there??? Yup... Because noone on earth researches to find the true religion because there is none. People who research become atheists. Look at europe yo ustupid fucknig retard. Every single fucknig person in europe is an atheist. Religion is dead. Science killed god. We are fucking done. Why the fuck do you want religion so badly you stupid fucknig nigger....

Hitler was so fucking right... If he won the war he would kill all these inferor dna retards with their god daddy... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_views_of_Adolf_Hitler

>>138120906
All of them? Don't make evil souls. Don't make souls at all if all souls have some evil.

Either answer would work for the "how evil action" question, as for your lack of physicality, no, there are things that exist in our world right now that can pass through other things (neutrinos, cosmic rays, etc.)

>>138121497
Also, there is not a single human on earth who believe in a religion. Humans are PERFECTLY ok with breaking rules of their religion as long as people around them break those rules. Which prooves humans dont give a single fuck about religions or god. Humans care about being accepted by people around them. All dna based life is preprogrammed robots who live to protect and spread their dna...

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL32F8B5F41870D160

>>138120336
You're retarded. Better to be one with everything than nonexistent. All value is predicated on existence. Nonexistence puts the concept of value into paradox. The value of eternal life is axiomatic by the same logic.

Reincarnation seems like a ripoff. Without memory it's hard to learn and progress.

>>138110511
Muslims do reverse eugenics. Muslims purposely kill all smart humans. Because they want humans to go back to apes and go extinct on earth... Muslims H A T E intelligence and science... All they do all they every day is stupid ignorant shit. Thats why they will never ever ever become developed countries. They dont want to...They want to do drugs and have sex and then they are done with life... Just like apes....

>>138119111
I don't believe in a god and I think the separation of church and state should not be as wide as it is now. I believe the values the uncucked version of christianity teaches are essential to a functional society, as the founding fathers also believed. So no, religious belief does not empirically dictate political belief.

>>138121697
>All of them? Don't make evil souls. Don't make souls at all if all souls have some evil.

So you are simply saying, nothing is cool or good, or worthy about earth and the universe? All science, art, sport, food, drink, activity, possibility, feeling, fun, play, all of that is worthless? All because it would be uncomfortable to do what is necessary for good to make sure evil does not exist?

Lets say 9999999999999999^9999 good souls existed in the heaven you designed, but 1 or 5 of them realized the possibility of evil in one moment, that would ruin it all? You would suggest turning it all into nothing because of that?


>as for your lack of physicality, no, there are things that exist in our world right now that can pass through other things (neutrinos, cosmic rays, etc.)

Can a body be made of neutrinos and cosmic rays? The potentials and limits of possible physicality is limited by essence of its existence. It is possible God could not create a physical universe which satisfied all your demands. Perhaps a fake/digital/simulation/video game realm can be made, but still there might be an issue of entropy, of energy exchange.

>>138115486
>maybe god wanted it to be a struggle

this, how can you become something if you are already there? If there is no challenge there is nothing to become. If you are evrything you want in the instant you are born, and evryone is the same way, you are just average. You can't get better, you can't get worse. The same secound you are born your whole life is already complete and you have became evrything, but in this world you have became nothing since there is nothing to become becuse evryone get evrything in an instant. Fascinating.

>>138121697
I think God likes redemption arcs.