/lrg/ LIBERTARIAN RIGHT GENERAL

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FIRST FOR FREE CANTWELL! HE DIDN'T GAS THOSE COMMUNISTS I SWEAR!

How can morality be maintained in a free market-driven society?

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>>138102058
A morally decent society could be maintained by forming a community based on that moral attitude, and forcibly excluding those faggots and degenerates who don't care about right and wrong.

Gated communities my man.

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>>138101641
god i love freedom
>mfw a a big government bootlicker advocates (((the state))) in my vicinity

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If you guys aren't gonna post I'm just gonna shill my stuff.

I hope you all are well informed on the Communist doctrine. They intend to seize your property. Don't let it happen, protect yourself.

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>>138101641
Someone needs to shove Nozick into a locker.
Being too afraid to defend your already lukewarm stance is laughable.

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>>138101933
This pic is a body anti-goal

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>>138101933
>33
>chrisposting
Nice.

>>138103521
Do you think a strong ethnostate which permits a free market (to a degree) is acceptable? Europeans tend to naturally prefer and create free markets, and I think a truly European fascism must accept that fact while safeguarding both the market and the state from (((subversion))) and squander.

I'm a minarchist-fascist, desu.

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>>138103888

>>138102058
If you need a state to enforce morality you are already in state of degeneracy.

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>>138103760
KEK, Nozick WILL be put in his place when Ancapistan kills off all the non-chads.

Dont you see folks, the end goal of Anarcho-Capitalism is Chad Nationalism!

>>138104081
Fuck off, kike.
Nationalism is what makes cooperation on a large scale possible.

>>138104081
Are you an antifa shill? Gtfo with that commie shit. Community and heritage is what defines a people.

>>138103760
Serious shilling to all non-discord fags to join.
Book club meets tomorrow, we discuss the ethics of liberty's introduction and first two parts.

>>138104083
>I'm a minarchist-fascist, desu.
was that too until the point where they just opened the border and flooded my country with subhumans, so I can't trust them anymore in any form.

>>138104081
fuck off nerd. Take your gay shit back to the (((CATO))) institute!

>>138104196
>>138104215
Fuck off, statists
Nationalism=collectivism=communism

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>>138101641
/POL/ IS A NATSOC BOARD REEEEEEEE

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>>138104184
Indeed.
>can't argue for women being property without justifying property rights
We're always one step ahead.

>>138104373
Nationalism is just biological by nature, a nation is just a nation.

>>138104083
obviously an ethnostate would be the best. in addition to all the other pluses of being white, white people (at least american whites) are the only ones that tend to lean towards small government and free markets. my ideal is a white minarchy ethnostate where white people can do pretty much whatever they want, and the markets remain free and open.

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>>138104381
You're a fake NatSoc, everyone knows we occupy the same space in harmony.

>>138104259
Intro is written by Hoppe himself, so you better join up.

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>>138104381
Me ne frego del comunismo. Me ne frego degli americani. Me ne frego della società. Me ne frego sono Fascista

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Stirrnerian Egoist here. Ask me anything, you spooks.

>>138102631
So if someone is found to be fucking little kids, they are removed?

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>>138104381
/pol/ isn't anyone's board, Stormfag.
If pol was truly a natsoc board, then this thread wouldn't be here.

>>138104373
Is that why communists hated nationalists and vice-versa?
It's almost like groups of people which share a common means of communication and culture are better at cooperating.

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>>138104764
Tell me somethign about stirner I only see him brought up by ancoms and left libertarians.

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okay retard, if people form a nation voluntarily, are you gonna use the state to break it up?

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>Open Borders Are an Assault on Private Property | Lew Rockwell
https://mises.org/library/open-borders-are-assault-private-property
>Open Borders: A Libertarian Reappraisal | Lew Rockwell
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L5wZjdEl9F8
>Nations by Consent | Murray Rothbard
https://mises.org/sites/default/files/11_1_1_0.pdf
>Natural Order, the State, and the Immigration Problem | Hans-Hermann Hoppe
https://mises.org/system/tdf/16_1_5.pdf?file=1&type=document

Read Nations By Consent

>>138104764
why is the market a spook if it is in my self interest to use it to gain wealth

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>>138104607
reeeEEEEEE KEK IS OURS GET SHOAH'D

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>>138104114
absolutely quotable

saved and will be attributed to anonymous

>>138104949
You can't form a nation voluntarily, because you are born within in it, it is fate. You can overcome the materialistic level though and form a Reich.

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>>138104764
It is in my own self interest to ignore your shit ideology.

>>138104935
The only reason Stirner is associated with leftism is because his contemporaries form the basis for left thinking. They also conflate his personal feelings with his ideology, which includes left-leaning thoughts that were popular in those days.

Egoism quite simply isn't left-leaning or right-leaning, only anti-authority. I'm obviously right-leaning in my egoism.

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>>138104381
Come and take it, faggot.
The neo-cohens called, they want their tactic of cucking on the truth back.
No such thing as a "third position", you're either right or you're wrong and will be shoved into an airtight locker and gassed and melted down for sheet metal.

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>>138105146
I-I feel honored senpai.

>>138104800
yeah, and who evers parent the kid belongs to can potentially murder them and it would be all cool. They did rape a child afterall

>>138104800
Physically, so to speak

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>>138104800
Yeah. Too bad the only way out for pedophiles is through a woodchipper.

>>138105055
The market isn't a spook, but the idea that there should be a market, or the idea that you should participate in the market is a spook.

Participating in the market isn't a spook, and if participating in the market serves your self interest, than by all means.

>>138105218
(You)
Egoism is just ancap dialed to 11.

>>138104800
Most libertarians don't want the state removed, so they would be punished, severely

>>138105155
good point. I guess I was talking about the institutions they implement.

>>138105247
As far as I know stirner just tells you you can take whatever you can, but I haven't read him, that would correlate with my thesis that every right has to be enforced by power since without power your are just left to the mercy of others to grant you your rights.
For example property rights are only valuable if you can enforce them by weaopons and shoot every intruder, be it with your own guns or the help of your neighbourhood or the military power of your insurance company.

Going on a date tonight and I'm scared I'm going to be asked my political views. How do I deflect this question or explain libertarian-monarchist?

>>138105275
I don't think Ben Shapiro will approve of your post, young man.

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>>138105321
Don't let it get to your head kid; you could have gotten the same result by typing "include me in the screenshot famalam"

>>138105697
That is a natural conclusion of his ideology, the only rights you have are those that you can enforce. The logic is easily followed, of course. It's the driving force behind anarcho-capitalism, the idea that attempting force in a situation will result in retaliation.

>>138105892
My dreams, crushed again.

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>>138105407
Best society.

>>138105632
Do you really think the not having a state would make people incapable of gathering the town folk to murder a pedophile?

>>138104800
if you found out that someone you knew was raping kids, and beat the shit out of/killed them, what are other people gonna do, say "hey man I have a really big problem with you beating up that pedophile"? Not fucking likely

>>138105483
Would expect nothing less. Hopefully they can be lowered into it very slowly feet first.

>>138105973
>the only rights you have are those that you can enforce.
that's a point a can agree on.
same as leftists would say water is a human right, given you are stranded in the desert without water you can scream all you want at the desert that water is a human right but the forces of nature will just kill you, if you are not smart enough to overcome it and find ways to get access to water.

>>138105750
From my own experience, women, no matter how socialist, get horny whenever someone opposes their view, as long as you can defend it better than she can defend hers.

A socialist friend with a boyfriend tried to kiss me one night super drunk, and before that she was always debating me. "I disagree with your ideas but I respect you a lot" is what she used to tell me.

>>138102058
Define what you see as morality.

>>138106116
Just liek in old times europe when towns just kicked out the jews becuase of their shady tricks, they did it without government.
Or when they tared and feathered murders or looters so when they enterd another town everyone there knows what this guy is up to so he would have move to a far away city or live his life as an outcast.

>>138106439
Not being a fag, not being sexually degenerate, not being transgender. Essentially, every moral standard that existed as the norm before the mid 20th Century.

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>>138106309
The founding fathers of the US understood this, this is the implicit idea behind the second amendment, that if the government won't enforce the citizen's rights, than the citizens will.

It's a true shame that the lefitsts have appropriated Stirner, his ideology is beyond liberating.

>>138102058
>implying you need morality in a free-market driven society

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>>138106037
literallt none of that applies to the libertarianism we advocate here.

most "libertarians" who converted to natsoc here we what we call left-libertarians or libertines. they are literally communists and a plauge on real libertarians.

The "libertarians" written about in your image are the same faggots we hate and why /lrg/ exists

>>138104606
Sounds like paradise.

>>138106358
Used to get the chicks who were Psychology majors at school super wet playing this game. "Anyone want to debate a sociopath" An hour of stimulating conversation, and I'd be balls deep in her. Even fucked a dyke one night with this method. My bro bet me I couldn't fuck her, found out she was studying Psych, and treated her with a hot beef injection at the end of the night.

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would you guys call this socialism, I do.
this is what most right wingers and patriots in europe believe

>>138106696
literally*
we're what we call*
fuck meng i goofed

>>138107027
>what is the difference between white supremacists and multicultralists?
There isn't any, all of you haunted pieces of shit look the same to me.

>>138107027
"right"-socialists are cucks for not being supremacists. Uncompetitive fags.

>>138104083
When I look to Europe, I'm not impressed with the results. I actually suspect that excessively "high-trust" and conformist societies, as commonly advocated here, cause more problems than they solve. People in such societies are too likely to trust one another to wield broad authority with discretion, or to ignore bad incentives created by government interventions. They also seem prone to neglect of self defense and the right to armament, perhaps due to seeing too much of themselves in their neighbors. I'd argue that such societies tend to be self "subverting".

A degree of caution in interactions with neighbors and authorities needs to be maintained, no matter the makeup of the population. This being the case, I can't see much benefit in uniformity goals like that, and a lot of potential harm.

>>138106626
Homosexuals and transgenders will always be an inconsequential minority as long property owners have the right to discriminate and the state is kept out of marriage. Sexual degenerates are inconsequential as well unless they hurt someone, which in that case they would be properly punished.

>>138106358
I got me once a milf who was standing alone in a club with ranting about how people fall into a state of sheeples when grouped in masses because it kills the soul of the individuum and which negates the fact of living in an organic relationship of self awareness in a group, while pointing at the "partying youth" later found out she had a red star on her bag.

>>138107258
the phrase everyone is equal also was used by natsocs back in the time, like every german is equal in value, that's why I considered them socialists long before I even started to get into the free market, because value is always subjective.
Also one of the main differences of fascism and national socialism just in case one of you ancaps is interested

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>>138105321
>>138106017
nah

congratulations, your shitpost is now an image macro whenever someone asks if a state is needed to "enforce morality" (tyranny)

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>>138108045
all those years of shitposting

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>>138108045
You should go for more chiasmus like JFK's "ask not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your country", e.g. "if morality requires enforcement by the state, the state of morality is already degenerate"

http://tomwoods.com/ep-979-liechtenstein-the-closest-thing-to-a-libertarian-country/

>Actually when the prince gave the right for secession to every village in 2003, this was after a pretty hectic argument with the (unintelligible) because he wanted to give this right of secession not just to every village but also to every individual in their private property.

>It was actually a head of state trying to implement Anarcho Capitalism

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>>138108575
>it's another "let the jewish ghoul control your attitudes and behaviours" post

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>>138108786
Do Jews even exist or are they just spooks?

>>138107952
the egalitarian menace. watch for it even in our circles.

>>138109050
Jews exist, (((Jews))) don't.

Both are my property to do as I see fit.

>>138108479
moralilty and degeneracy comes from one within, the sum of righteous individuals forms a higher civilisation or a shithole.
It always starts with yourself, but you can say that a society that need state enforcemend of the state has already goen to shit and is not worth saving.
They may still ahve the same genes than your but they are sepeerated in a way that you can't count them your people anymore hence Race is mor than just DNA.
a state enforced ethnostate is just the governance of a dead biomass in hopes that a new flame will spark and this only can last for some time as an emergency action and it is the last stage before the total decline of a civilisation.

>>138109169
I know I am glad I first came into contact with libertarian/ancaps at the radical agenda and later found out that the majority of people that lables itself as such are just socialists, I was really shocked when I found out about this.

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>>138101641
What can we do to bring the authoritarian right back into the glory of the libertarian right? Identity politics and the people who support it will destroy America.

>>138108045
Perfect saved.

>>138108327
I absolutely love quotes in general. Some of the best quotes I've managed to collect have been from shitposts, and with bit of polishing they can sound exquisitely thought-provoking while summarizing/capturing aspects of big ideas

here's a few others from various shitposters:

>"If it belongs to everyone, it belongs to no one."
>"If you don't teach your children, someone else will."
>"Socialism: Paying people to do nothing, to become nothing."

>>138108479
that could of worked, but I don't feel as if it's that suitable for a chiasmus since I'm not repeating the word "enforcement" as a reverse nor was "degeneracy" mentioned prior. Seems too confusing for most normies, hell some people even misinterpret JFK's quote into something completely different

>>138109508
Europe needs this mindset so bad.

>>138109693
>"Socialism: Paying people to do nothing, to become nothing."
this is good

>Just another day in the destroyed country that once could be said to "flourish" with democracy and happiness , now in a state of total war , no corners in the lawless streets was safe and ideologies thrive to have any impact and bring peace to this civil war , some followers of Anarcho capitalism were prepared....Just like Ancap-Chan , a simple blonde girl that lives in a small house in the outskirts of the city daring to go there to scavange for any resources , donning a simple t-shirt with some more yellow rags to distinguish herself as a follower of such beliefs

"You should not be here......If they discover how I am just lending you a place to stay.....Someone like you...."

> Others followed more .... Extreme beliefs , just like Fashy-Chan , tanned like the brass of italian guns ,she donned a black shirt that showed some signs of blood and mud , afterall she was used to it .... Using violence to stop those that dared to bring her "nation" to a path of poverty and decadence

"Sì..Sì , I already know about it , yet have you not understood how times like this we have to stay united? When anarchists and .... Those red bastards unite....We too have to unite!"

> Ancap-Chan got up from the chair slowly looking into the eyes of Fashy-Chan seeking some comfort by sinking her face in her chest mourning the sadness that they lived in

"I just want to get back....Even if it wasn't what I wanted....I want to be able to eat well....To see property that is not burned or vandalized..."

> Fashy-Chan kept hugging her slowly getting a smile telling her

"We have eachother , no matter what the cost might be if anyone finds out...We will be happy to know we both fought for what we believed in , against our worst enemy , even if my nature goes against yours we fight for the common good...."

> Fashy-Chan took her Fez hat placing it on the head of Ancap-Chan that now...At least had a simple smile adorning it

"Come on Ancap-Chan , I brought some meat that I found wrapp- "

> Just like the speed of a fresh rifle projectile Fashy-Chan was welcomed by a strange hug from behind....Ancap-Chan refused to let it go , enjoying the company of Fashy-Chan ... Even if she didn't see her as equal in her beliefs...She learned how to see the facy of an ally in the figure of Fashy-Chan

"Promise me you will stay with me Fashy-Chan....You..You always said that we are stronger when we are united right? You can unite with me!"

> Fashy-Chan gave just a simple smile turning around to place one gloved hand in the cheek of Ancap-Chan calming her

"I will....I have been here for so long that I don't see you as an enemy...When the war ends we will probably depart in our ways....You to your land....And I will go to my nation...."

> Ancap-Chan looked a bit to the floor before she gave a determined look to Fashy-Chan

"I want to stay with you! No matter how strange or anti-pragmatic it will be , I want to stay with the black shirted girl that cares about a nation! We have our differences....But we both fight the same enemy and if that means we have to unite to kill those reds...."

> Fashy-Chan tilted her head just slightly lifting one eyebrow even before she began to realize where this was going starting to rose her cheeks just slightly as....She saw it more as a romantic advance than anything...To break her beliefs for that moment....Just to see a face of someone she might....Love?

"Ancap-Chan I...I mean we both fight those guys but...Don't you think we should just....Go to our ways and..."

> She ceased talking before she saw how the face of Ancap-Chan lighted up with a smile strangely the capitalist girl was enjoying such attitude

"You look cute when you try to protest it you know? Come on....There is nothing wrong in...Loving your allies"

> The cheeks of Fashy-Chan rosed up contrasting with her tanned skin , those eyes wide open focusing on the face of Ancap-Chan , that grin settling on her face while one sneaky hand traced just a small movement on the side of the uniform of Fashy-Chan

"Oh a bit stressed for getting a bit close to a capitalist? Come on....Where is all that courage and honor ? A bit afraid to see those....Seductive lips assaulted with just some kisses?"

> The Fez of Fashy-Chan fell , she looked back to Ancap-Chan shyly looking to the side , such a proud girl being afraid to show some or any love for Ancap-Chan , she looked back to her giving a sweet smile

"Only as friends Sí ? I....I don't know if we..."

"If we last to lovers? Come on! Two girls like us that know how to shoot and protect what they love......Come on..."

> Fashy-Chan looked to the side again closing her eyes softly forming her lips to kiss her yet Ancap-Chan just waited! Torturing the pour soul like that....Just wanting a kiss before she began to open her eye slowly seing the smug look of Ancap-Chan

"You...You cretin! I trust you like this and - "

> Out in this pure state of rage leaving her mouth open Ancap-Chan launched herself to lock her lips with Fashy-Chan , catching her offguard while she wrapped her arms around her back pushing her against the table forcing her to respond with a french kiss

> Both girls began to make out , their eyes closed while they traded a soft betrayed form of love in the hidden house , the gloved hands of Fashy-chan made way to the back of Ancap-Chan's head holding it there for some more time just to enjoy the kiss....Just for some more time

> They slowly broke the kiss , a small rope of their saliva dropping to the side their eyes focusing on eachother , soon they began to kiss now working a bit more in taking off their clothing , Fashy-Chan softly moaned , not used to such contacts , yet you could see the love on those Italian eyes....

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Are you guys preparing for WW3?

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>>138109968
10best anime romances

>>138110140
Yes but in a way to survive it not to actively fight it, I'd even have to register a .22 and I am convinced registered gun owners are first the gov will take to the camps.

>>138110140
My happening bunker is always ready.

>>138110140
If by preparing you mean sitting back and enjoying the show, you betcha.

>>138104381
right wing libertarianism is basically NatSocism without a state and updated racial opinions

>>138109923
yeah, funny story about that quote. I took that one from what was probably an older pole ranting about communism as he was in an argument with a leftie. He was describing the conditions his people were living in. He went on and on about how people had very little to no life aspirations within their little commie blocks.

The original quote wasn't even worded so clearly, it was roughly:

>" . . . this is what socialism has done to my people . . . this is what it does and will do everywhere to those stupid enough to try it. you are paid to do nothing to become nothing and you western idiots always doubt me even though I lived through it first hand. stupid, stupid burger!"

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>>138110628
>>138110637
>>138110769

>>138110121
I am aroused by this.

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>>138110300
>>138111174

It won't be the first fashy or ancap to say that , shame I don't know any drawfags to make some drawing about fashy-chan and ancap-chan , should I continue it too ?

>>138105111
And then the man rolled trips to assert his statement.

>>138110992
who says we have updated racial opinions?

>LIBERTARIAN RIGHT GENERAL
>hijacked by an Italian fascist
Alrighty then

>>138111397
If you like, go on.

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>>138110140
>playing with shitty little space marines
You are like little babby, watch this

>>138111633
Nah, they're cool, aside from weeb shit they're full blown ancaps and total bros.

>>138111618
racial facts rather
as far as I know talks about average IQs weren't a thing back then

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>>138111633
But I am not Italian.

>>138110140
>Libertarian 40k
>Authoritarianism claims the weak and incomplete. A true man can flinch away from its influence, if he is stalwart, and he girds his soul with the armor of the NAP.

Posting sneks

My wife son plays GTA online and he has bunker full of army surplus and weaponry with APCS and tanks. And the law doesn't stop him, he said there's a private milita that he kills but he always can pay them to work for him? Is this what an ancap society would be like?.

>>138111893
Iq tests weren't that common back in the time and the view on race had nothing to do with natsoc it was just of scientifical and historical interest in all of europe, just those questions who are we, where are we coming from, where will we go.
burn your silly little german schoolbooks.

>>138111893
we were talking about OPINIONS not FACTS, re-read your own post. IQ statistics aren't opinions, you dipshit.

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>>138112232

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>@138112244
>my wife's son
Trying too hard.

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>>138112661
Everything was perfect about AnCap except the goddamn animal

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>>138111668
Lul khorne laughs at your puny gundams

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>>138101641
*tips fedora*

>>138112244
Maybe it wouldn't be a great idea to hire the same private army you fight unless they dont know who you are, but yeah pretty much.

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>>138112915
>he has more arms than guns
Not even close, baby.

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>>138113227
This image is bullshit, AnCap pretty much makes the biggest chad the king of ancapistan. also finding it hard to believe Chad doesn't quote Hoppe

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>>138112768
I like snakes as much as I like the eagle.
You can even combine them as the telluric and cosmic principle (female and male principle)
one roams the earth, while the other soars through the sky and you need both for a prospering civilization
that's why ancaps should lead the fight on the economic material front and fascists on the spiritual front.

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>>138113227
>paranoia due to marijuana addiction
What the hell do (you) know? Who told (you)?!

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>>138113616
>snake
>eagle
DRAGON!

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>>138114179
>mfw smaug was obviously the OG ancap and the (((dwarves))) violated the NAP and stole his shit

>>138114179
Dragons are the strongest race, the commies will burn in hell.

>>138114456
mine working dwarves formed a miner ((union)) to rob a peaceful dragon who dindu nothin of his property.

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>>138114719
>mfw it's already a damn meme

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>>138113547
>not being a literal mass of shapeshifting guns

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>>138114905
Goddamn dwarves

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>>138110300

The two biggest impediments outside of actual populace support for the implementation of a libertarian society are

1. Legit court systems that actually defend ones private property

2. Economic structure. I used to be a huge metal standard supporter, but the ultra rich own all the metals.

Whats the plans?

>>138117162
>1.
If you can't defend your property, then it's your property only because others choose to give it to you (ergo, it's not your property, its their charity).

>2.
What's wrong with that?

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>>138116936

>>138117741
>I finally physically removed that stain, so to speak

lost

>>138117531
1. So when a big business polutes the shit out of your land, tough shit? When a rogue combine comes through yoir fucked? See why your the ideology is not taken serious...

2. Whats wrong with going to an economic structure that benefits TPTB currently?

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>>138117741
>ancap_gf_2.jpg
>implying there is ancap_gf.jpg
gib.

>>138117162
>1. Legit court systems that actually defend ones private property

Incentives will lead people to places where private property is defended one way or another. People tend to want to live where they feel safe. Either that, or they will have to defend themselves if they feel capable.

>2. Economic structure. I used to be a huge metal standard supporter, but the ultra rich own all the metals.

Free banking system, people who encourage savings will chose deflationary currencies and people who want quick spending will chose inflationary ones

>>138118165
>1. So when a big business polutes the shit out of your land, tough shit? When a rogue combine comes through yoir fucked?
If you can't stop those things from happening, yeah, you're fucked. That's not my ideology talking, that's just the way the world is. All of those things still happen now, except the only power you have is...oh, I guess you don't have any, thanks to laws and regulations.

Really makes you think, doesn't it? Don't get too sleepy on me now.

>2. Whats wrong with going to an economic structure that benefits TPTB currently?
You tell me. The rich have way less power when they can't influence the Tyrant of Majority.

>>138118165
>So when a big business polutes the shit out of your land, tough shit?
then it would damage your property your insurance company wouldn't take this kindly becuae they'd ahve to pay for the damage to your property and thus they will take their compensation from said company or they will consider them saveages if they don'T stop and pay the compensation.
if it were a large company it could lead to a war in last consequence if they couldn't come to an agreement.
just liek nowadays with states, but on a much smaller scale.

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>>138118314
I have it but not sure what the difference is and to lazy to open it up to look at it first so it is a surprise post.

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>>138117741
>>138118766
where can I find an ancap gf

libertarian meetings/events are absolute sausage fests

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>>138118165
>he assumes there are not private courts
There are.
>pollution
Pollution causes measurable economic damage in the form of lost income, the landowner has a valid claim to some of the polluting business' income.

>rogue combine
This is the same unjust enrichment argument as the polluter.

>economic structure that benefits TPTB
Not exactly sure what you mean by economic structure. Standardized definitions for purity of metals are a good thing; and modern markets will always adopt some form of standardization to make transactions smoother.
>metal currency
Actual metal currency in the form of gold/silver coinage will never work again; there's simply not enough physical gold/silver and it's difficult to work with compared to electrons.
>metal-backed derivative currencies
This is more viable, but the issuing institution has every incentive to, and always eventually has, debased the money through either outright fraud or expanding the money supply through fractional reserves.
>blockchain-based cryptocurrencies
This is likely to be the future, either with corporations releasing their own currencies that freely float against each other, like the stock market, and/or fully decentralized blockchains like bitcoin.

>>138119058
>women
>respecting their political opinions
just get some hot "social democrat" and convert her. make her accept ancap BY FORCE.

>>138119058
I don't know I neither have met an ancap or a fashist girl ever in my lifetime.
I've met with some libertarians and classical liberals last month but they all had dicks, but before you asked no there weren't even traps.

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>>138118766
>small text what if the child consents tho
naughty naughty you'll get caughty

>>138119402
Wouldn't it be easier to get a open libertarian college girl to accept conservative values, since they already mistrust the state.
>>138119692
It is not mine also saw it after saving it.

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>>138119402
>violate the NAP to get a 3D gf
No thanks anon, I'll stick with 2D

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>>138119901
>I'll stick with 2D
good choice

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Looks like the statist >>138118165 gave up, chalk up another victory for private property rights and freedom of contract.

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>>138120111
checked

>>138119382
Thx mate.

Any good readings/ insight on what a private court system looks like. I can't wrap my head around it, like how it wouldnt become corrupt af

And i can see crypto currency working

>>138119882
Do you know a libertarian college girl? I only know pinkos.

>>138120289
No I only have met 2 libertarian guys so far.
and living in socialist europe I think the closest you will ever get are some spoiled neoliberal brats because they care so much about the rights of gays and arabs.

>>138120285
There's a video in the OP - The Machinery of Freedom (Illustrated Summary)

>>138120482
so take one of those chicks and make her right-libertarian. Girls dont have political opinions, they'll swtich to yours once its not useful to be a communist anymore.

>>138109968
>>138110300
do either of you have a pic of fashy-chan?

>>138120720
I don't even know one of them just girls I went to school back in the days are now shilling for it.
And they are not particularly interested in speaking with me.
And I don't think they believe in a free market this neoliberal party we have is literally just shilling for muh equality and close the gender paygap let everyone get married and cut the taxes by a few percent.
we are already on 41%income tax and 20%sales tax.
So I am also not really interested in those people.
patriotic girls are even a nogo they are all smug and will lecture you about politics because they are so smug about finding out that muslims are bad.
and apolitical modest girls with a natural cuteness which I would prefer are also rare to a degree that I only can speculate if they are like this when I see them in the streets from time to time.

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>>138121521
only this

>>138101641
Hail Liberty! The alt-right has fallen! Good riddance nu-/pol/

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>>138121521
oh wait she could be our fashy chan

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>>138120285
>private courts
It's actually remarkably similar to the American court system; mostly because American courts allow for simultaneous jurisdiction between Federal and state courts.
Let's start at the beginning:
>Legitimacy of the court(s)
For the court to be legitimate in AnCap, the individual person must voluntarily agree to subject themselves to the body of law & legal precedent the court follows, including the individual having to respect jury summons and legitimate personal jurisdiction (meaning if someone sues the individual in that court and the suit is properly served, the individual must appear or is in contempt). This voluntary acceptance of court legitimacy is essentially a social contract between the individual and the legal system, wherein the individual agrees to abide by the law enforceable by the court, in exchange for being able to bring suit in court against those who have violated the laws which protect him.

>what if conflicting parties are not bound by the same law
This occurs in the US all the time when State A person and State B person have a conflict. Supposing State B person is plaintiff, State B person can legitimately sue State A if State B has personal jurisdiction over State A person (in practice meaning if State A person maintains property, does business, or is arrested in State B). If State B does not have personal jurisdiction, the State A person will either need to sue in Federal court (and use federal standards), or they're out of luck. In AnCap, the system would work similarly, with the added ability for legal regimes to contractually agree to "overlap" personal jurisdictions for certain crimes or types of suit (very similar to how extradition treaties work between sovereign nations).

>insurances against corruption
Firstly, the social contract which initially bound the private individual by the legal regime of the court will likely contain contractual clauses that define breach by the court (1/2)

>>138119402
>>women
>>respecting their political opinions

Hahahahahahahaha...
Why not a chimpansee ?
It's basically the same intelectual lvl.

>>138104196
Yeah international trade doesn't exist.

>being this retarded

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Portobro checking in.

I'm so pissed off Bannon was fired. You just know the deep state will get to Trump now.

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>>138122118
(2/2)
>insurances against corruption
Firstly, the social contract which initially bound the private individual by the legal regime of the court will likely contain contractual clauses that define breach by the court, e.g. "if the court is found to be incapable and/or unwilling to render impartial judgment by third party, judgment against the individual will be rendered null/void".

In practice nobody will actually use these clauses, however, because the legal regime can also exists as a for-profit entity, and is most likely intimately tied if not merged with the insurance industry. Savvy law-making goes hand-in-hand with reducing societal risks, and increasing the subscriber base by being more competitive is ultimately more rewarding than operating a small corrupt corporation, not to mention that because of network effects and economics of scale in risk pooling, small insurance companies are much less competitive than large ones. In the same way, small corrupt courts are much less profitable to operate than large, quasi-public (in the sense of scale and the factual likelihood the large court corporation, McCourt, so to speak, would be publicly traded on a major stock exchange) McCourt.

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>>138122909
I can feel the happeing ready to happen.

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>>138122366
Fuck you faggot, apes are more people than niggers. Koko can sign over 100 words and that niglet only knew "juice chicken gorilla"

>>138122366
Best way would be to look for a cute girl with a nice character, who doesn't care about politics.

>>138123278
>tfw virgin nigger
>the Chad ape

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>>138123246
I unironically hope the race war ends in secession. I'll galdly follow the monarch Jared Taylor into WhiteTopia

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>>138123549
>do it faggot
I'm counting on you making this a reality, leaf.

>>138123561
That would no doubt be the best timeline. decentralization now!

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>>138108786
Kek, I'm starting to like Stirnerites now.
What's the best translation of The Ego and Its Own?

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>>138123561
Would Mencius Moldbug be allowed to live there?

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>>138124671
I think so. Why? But I heard he is Jewish, I guess it depends whether or not Jared is honest when he says he has no qualms with kikes. Whether MM would live there or not, I still like the guy.

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The video in the OP is fucking brilliant; it's worth the 23 minutes to watch because it really simply explains the AnCap court system. Who the fuck knew reading the thread sticky is worth it?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jTYkdEU_B4o

>>138124036
I read the edition by David Leopold, which covers a lot of extra stuff than just the translation, like aspects of his life, and the context in which he wrote the work.

I'd suggest reading it slowly, trying to get a feel for his ideas in an abstract and unserious way, and taking the aid of summaries as much as you can. He uses some concepts in a real strange way (like the concept of a man being "own" as opposed to being "free"), and I've found it not necessarily a hard read, but hard to understand at time (which I assume is a translation and time barrier).

I like to shit post in as many of these threads as possible, so hit me up with any questions, I have Stirner's ideology down pretty solid.

>>138124036
Try the Benjamin Tucker version, it's one of the older ones.

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'''
“The Trump presidency that we fought for, and won, is over,” Bannon said Friday. “We still have a huge movement, and we will make something of this Trump presidency. But that presidency is over. It’ll be something else. And there’ll be all kinds of fights, and there’ll be good days and bad days, but that presidency is over.”

It is plainly Bannon’s view that his departure is a defeat for the ideology he’d urged upon the president, as reflected in Trump’s provocative inaugural address—in which he spoke of self-dealing Washington politicians, and their policies that led to the shuttered factories and broken lives of what he called “American carnage.” Bannon co-authored that speech.

Bannon says that he once confidently believed in the prospect of success for that version of the Trump presidency he now says is over. Asked what the turning point was, he says, “It’s the Republican establishment. The Republican establishment has no interest in Trump’s success on this. They’re not populists, they’re not nationalists, they had no interest in his program. Zero. It was a half-hearted attempt at Obamacare reform, it was no interest really on the infrastructure, they’ll do a very standard Republican version of taxes.

And, he believes, things are about to get worse for Trump. “There’s about to be a jailbreak of these moderate guys on the Hill”—a stream of Republican dissent, which could become a flood.

“I think they’re going to try to moderate him,” he says. “His natural tendency—and I think you saw it this week on Charlottesville—his actual default position is the position of his base, the position that got him elected. I think you’re going to see a lot of constraints on that. I think it’ll be much more conventional.”
'''
http://www.weeklystandard.com/bannon-the-trump-presidency-that-we-fought-for-and-won-is-over./article/2009355

Bannon is the latest to learn that democracy doesn't solve anything.

>>138125287
pretty high quality

wonder why he doesn't have that much subs

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>>138125318
>hear about this stirner fellow ITT
>trying to understand this stirner fellow
>read your shitty posts in this thread
So basically, the individual and their perception of reality is rationally the sole meaningful means of decision-making, and anything one perceives as originating from the perceived reality invading the autonomous individual's methodology of decision-making is to be called "a spook" to emphasize its essence as a ghost, metaphorically the phantasm of the individual inscribing unto the perceived reality the falsehood of its having power over the individual consciousness.

Two questions -
1. Do I roughly understand Stirner?

>Egoism is just ancap dialed to 11.
2. What did (you) mean by this?

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>>138126154
today is a sad day indeed

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>>138126301
Because the free market of attention span is more likely to subscribe if there are tits bouncing in the video.

>>138124900
Out of curiosity, how do you view the role of NrX (Moldbug and Land and the Alt-Right ideas that sprang from their work) in the rightward shift of so many libertarians? Or would you attribute it more to the current insanity of the left? Libertarianism doesn't seem to be about individual liberty, property rights, and Ron Paul anymore. You never used to hear talk of right wing death squads, Pinochetians chucking commies out of choppers, ethnic nationalism, race and IQ discussions, or anything like that only a few years ago. It seems things have taken a darker turn of late.

>>138126623
pretty sad desu, this guy deserves more views

will try and shill him to others, thanks for posting it

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>>138126774
>right wing death squads, Pinochetians chucking commies out of choppers, ethnic nationalism, race and IQ discussions
That's what the popular kids are talking about in every ideology these days. It's just a more violent time because the media and internet are radicalizing the extremists in all parties.
>Libertarianism doesn't seem to be about individual liberty, property rights, and Ron Paul anymore
It still is.

>>138103521
>Someone advocates violent suppression of ideas they don't like

This shit irritates me to end. Yes free speech is a valid defense and if you don't like free speech there's always Britbongistan.

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>>138126860
I didn't post it; it was in the OP the whole time and I know I've seen this thread at least 15 times and never bothered reading the OP text before shitposting about nazis

>>138127257
o shit my bad senpai, I read the OP a long ago, just don't really check it since I expect it to be the same

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>>138127457
It's ok; I'm just regretting all those times I typed out a response to a statist instead of linking a video and posting a smug anime girl.

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OC Bastiat aesthetic

>>138126404
1. You have the surface-level understanding of Stirner. To put it in simple terms, the goal of egoism is to remove artificial manipulation of the practitioner's will, by renouncing all obligations that exist outside of the practitioner's will. A spook is merely a thing that creates one of those obligations. This is why things like morality and the free market are considered spooks, because when you subscribe to those things, you're sacrificing your autonomy for their sake (i.e. by deciding to do what's best for those things, instead of doing what's best for specifically your goals). It's weird as a political ideology, because it's political nature follows only from its influence on your personal decisions. When you follow egoism to its logical conclusions, you end up with a pretty ascetic form of life, because at the end of the day, it's all about self-mastery.

>2.
Egoism is essentially anarcho-capitalism, except you don't follow the spooks of the NAP.

>>138101641
Look at all those Jew pepes.

Fuck libertarianism, it is the most selfish Jewish ideology ever invented, worse perhaps than even communism.

>>138128734
Have you considered by rejecting private property rights, you're paving the way for a major increase in time preference rates, which will lead to decivilization if not in your own life then in your children's or grandchildren's?

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>>138128734
Seems pretty close to my philosophy as a Shaivanite, except rather than call it a spook, I call it karma, and rather than calling it the practioner's will, I call it dharma, and the collective will of the strongest practitioners is also dharma. To achieve nirvana is for your dharma to be one and the same with the universal dharma.

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>>138128943
You truly live up to the Australian shitposter meme

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>>138128943

>>138129052
>Have you considered by rejecting private property rights, you're paving the way for a major increase in time preference rates, which will lead to decivilization if not in your own life then in your children's or grandchildren's?
I could say that none of those things are my problem - and they really aren't - but I would have to disagree. It might be a might-makes-right world, but the world is already egoistic by default, and yet here we are. This is to egoism what "but who will build the roads?" is to anarcho-capitalism. Just because violence is a way to procure property doesn't mean that it's always the best way to procure property. Just because I don't worship property rights doesn't mean I won't respect someone else's property. I just go out of their way to respect their property if I get no utility out of it.

>>138129163
Yeah, the lifestyle is surprisingly close to a lot of indian philosophies, I've noticed, particularly buddhism. I've taken a great interest in them, and notice an interesting amount of parallels. There is a dead indian philosophy called the Lokayata or Carvaka, which focused on materialism, which I have a feeling would have been pretty similar to egoism, but next to nothing exists about its contents.

>>138129936
Sorry, typo on my last line
>I just go out of their way to respect their property if I get no utility out of it.
Should be
>I just won't go out of my way to respect their property if I get no utility out of it.

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>>138129936
>I just DON'T go out of their way to respect their property if I get no utility out of it.
You Stirner fellows are alright.

>>138130080
Hmm, interesting. So, for example, you wouldn't break into someone's house and steal their couch, but you'd walk through their backyard to get to your destination faster?

>>138130356
Precisely. I'd rob someone of their money if I were dying and needed water, but I'd just as well give my money to a homeless man for the sake of keeping my community safe and well-fed. Because, at the end of the day, my actions are about achieving my goals, and not about changing my goals to meet the arbitrary goals of things that exist outside of my will.

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This thread isn't as fun without the nazis. I kinda miss those guys low IQ shitposting now.

>>138122909
Here's an alleged Bannon quote:

>What’s that Dostoyevsky line: Happy families are all the same, but unhappy families are unhappy in their own unique ways?” (He meant Tolstoy.) “I think the Democrats are fundamentally afflicted with the inability to discuss and have an adult conversation about economics and jobs, because they’re too consumed by identity politics. And then the Republicans, it’s all this theoretical Cato Institute, Austrian economics, limited government — which just doesn’t have any depth to it. They’re not living in the real world.

https://mises.org/blog/steve-bannon-dismisses-austrian-economics

Dude is a protectionist. To be sure, I don't hate him, but he's no friend of either the libertarians or the Austrians.

>>138129163
>Shaivanite
How can one "master the Self" when the self does not exist? Your philosophy is one of non-duality, is it not? I find it difficult to reconcile western philosophy with more ancient eastern philosophy in this regard. Please enlighten me if I misunderstand.

>>138105155
what is Liberland. what is buying land. what are airplanes. what is having an imagination

>>138131196
Yes, he's a protectionist, we all know that. We like him for the anti-PC stuff, not for economics. He's completely wrong in that regard.

>>138130630
That's really no different that saying that you'll respect a social convention as long as it the cost of not doing so exceed the perceived benefits. (Where benefits is a function of what your "authentic" goals are.) But in this sense, we could argue that egoism (tism?) in your sense is not much different than basic morality as it is manifested in everyday life. This is so because most people are not confronted, in ordinary situations, with circumstances in which the cost of respecting a convention would be unduly onerous. (For instance, by having them starve.)

>>138125287

Really interesting, I'm gonna save it. Thanks for getting me to watch it.

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>>138131526
I was wondering whether or not I'd find you here again, Portubro. Here's something to laugh at.

(From conquest's history of the Russian revolution.)

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>>138131855
David Friedman is no bitch.

>>138119058
new hampshire

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>not wanting to ban contraception
>even using contraception
Are any of you guys in /lrg/ committing race treason?

>>138131554
Egoism is surely an attitudinal/viewpoint change as much as it is a behavourial one. As a personal philosophy, I think egoism includes the idea that you can't be beholden to your impulses, which is basically the same as being virtuous, except it's not justified with a spooky foundation.

But I would say your analysis is correct, but it's important to note the distinction between following a convention for the convention's sake, vs following the convention because it is a convenience. Stirner actually talks directly about this, saying something along the lines of "just because I participate in xyz doesn't mean I want xyz to exist or that i must dedicate myself to xyz", comparing this to simply climbing a ladder to reach a goal.

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>>138119058
You don't find one, you make one.

>>138131931
>"This means," he said, "that we have beaten the French Revolution 40 to 1."
Fucking kek. Never trust a communist. Saved this image. Thanks bro. I'm going to show this to every commie I know.

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>>138132418
>implying abortion doesn't primarily affect minorities, especially blacks

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>>138132418
Most babies who are aborted are from minorities.
Babies who are retarded should be aborted either way.
It's not to you, me or the state to decide on that matter, it's reserved to the mother, the father and their families. Let the community judge who is a good person or not.

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>>138132418
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cuoepBsv3ZE

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>>138132477
That's not something I'm very much against, and in fact I believe it may be the way people operate, making egoism not so much a prescriptive as a descriptive doctrine. A spook, then, would simply be one form of the venerable "false consciousness". I remember reading something by John Gray ("The silence of animals") in which he describes a breakdown in social conventions brought about by a war and the destruction of a city. Presumably, at that moment, when people started to behave in ways that approximated animals better than humans, they realized that their "humanity" was contingent on the existence of an order that didn't push them to their limits.

That realization basically traumatized the people who lived through it all. I have no doubt it would also traumatize an egoist.

>>138132744
I love reading about commies inefficiencies. It's fascinating.

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>>138131368
>DO SHROOMS ITS LIKE A WINDSHIELD WIPER FOR YOUR THIRD EYE.
The self exists the way a reflection in a pond exists. Karma colors the individual's perception of reality and thus the reality they can possible know, which in turn shapes the way they perceive reality to begin with. This illusory reality of the self is what is lost by expanding your consciousness, and the ultimate goal of moksha/nirvana would be to have freedom from karma and perceive the true universal reality.

I think the confusion arises because the process aspect is not emphasized enough. It's not as though once you read text telling you about non-duality, you are immediately appreciative of this and have achieved moksha. Rather, having understood each individual is colored by their own karma as well as your karma from the way you perceive them, your perceived outlook in life, now beginning to reflect your appreciation of the color of karma, begins to expand and free itself of karma. If you think of karma as dirt, the more dirt you realized is on your camera lens the clearer you can make your camera lens by wiping off the dirt you see.

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>>138133454
I laughed a lot when I was reading Sowell's Basic Economics and he mentioned those two Soviet economists who admitted the entire thing was a failure, and that factories were immense clusterfucks because the workers didn't have authorization to buy more tools to replace old or defective ones. And how most of the farmland that actually fed the country was privately owned because the state-run farms were shitholes.

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>>138133816
I downloaded the original book from which many of the stuff he mentioned is taken. It's called "Turning point".

>>138134230
Are the three quotes you posted from the same book? Who is/are the author/s?

>>138134579
The two first are from Richard Pipes' book "A concise history of the russian revolution" (I mistakenly attributed them to Robert Conquest. Conquest is the author of a book about the Bolshevik persecution of the Ukrainians, called "The harvest of sorrow.")

The last quote is from "Turning point: revitalizing the soviet economy", which is what Sowell relied on a lot to get his material about what the effects of the absence of a price system were.

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>>138132905
Nice buffer issue, faggots. Contraception still wipes out ("prevents" as some say) way more white babies than abortion can ever hope to make up for.

>>138133010
I like Hoppe, and as a Monarchist support privatization of the State, even though I do not see myself as a Libertarian per se.

>>138135161
I'd really like to know how much of that is actually due to income. Rich people just don't have babies, i.e. they plan their pregnancies better.

>>138131682
a rabbit stumbles on a dog in the bushes. the dog is covered head to paws in tics that are all completely engorged with its blood. rabbit says, "holy fuck man. want me to pick these tics off of you?" dog says, "no. I have very little blood left. by removing the tics, you'll only open up spots for more to start sucking, and before their thirsts are quenched, I'll lose what blood I have left"

Aristocracy = you keep your tics, and they're already fat by the time they get to you
Democracy = every four years you swap out your fattened tics for a fresh bunch who fought tooth and nail to get to you and are thirsty as all hell

democracy could only be supported by the lowest common denominator it gives voice to: complete retardation

>>138135646
Rich people have always conceived less children due to the fact they are less likely to use sex as a form of entertainment, and often have less free time.

>>138133454
Politically, it really is basically just ancap minus the NAP. The best way to think of egoism as a political doctrine is to consider each egoist a one-man nation, where the property (their "borders") are whatever they can control (which includes, minimally, their bodies). They get to control all of the policies on their nation, and they are all nationalistic to specifically their nation. They want to procure for their nation, the most benefits (the best food, the best resources, etc), and they want to accomplish whatever their national agenda is.

Sometimes, they might team together with other nations with which they can accomplish problems together, but are not beholden to (consider how the US acts with the the UN, for example.)

>>138135132
>Richard Pipes' book "A concise history of the russian revolution"
>"Turning point: revitalizing the soviet economy"

Added to my backlog. TY.

>>138135646
>>138135762
I guess I should elaborate:
You can probably just look up fertility rates before/after legalization of contraceptives and take a look. Many rich people even abort their children. In fact, it was quite disproportionate in at least one US statistic I saw years back.

What the fuck happened to Cantwell?

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>>138136082
This one is a an actual quote from "Harvest of sorrow".

>>138136306
He gave the Vice bitch too many soundbytes and showed her all the guns he was bringing to the rally. The documentary went viral around the world (even here they were talking about him on TV) and he then posted a video on YouTube where he was almost crying and saying how he feared the cops were going to kill him and that he would turn himself in. All his social media accounts were deleted.

>>138136082
Oh by the way what are you reading right now? I'm always interested to know what people are reading.

>>138136306
Was he a libertarian?

>>138135998
To add on to this, sometimes this nation might want to annex another nation, or some property of a nation, but generally it's best to form trade pacts with the nation, and to do business voluntarily.

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>>138136577
God that dude fucked himself so hard. I can't believe he actually uploaded that shit, he has to be completely unstable to thinking crying to the internet is a good idea.

>>138136588
Nothing in particular. I haven't read anything since Reactionary Liberty. I'm thinking about reading Liberty or Equality by Kuehnelt-Leddihn, or perhaps one of the race books I bought a while ago.

>>138136742
I know, right? What a fucking idiot. The worst thing is that I don't even think he's undercover or trying to hurt the movement, he's just unstable by default. Man, 2016 was looking so bright and this year we're being crushed.

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>>138137453
Don't lose hope. The battle for liberty is painful, but it will be worth it, if there's even a little hope for a return to natural order.

>>138137453
You could already see in 2016 that there wouldn't be much to sustain the movement in the intermediate term, simply because Trump does not represent an ideology but simply a feeling from a subsection of the white group of being under attack. There's no sophisticated articulation of these sentiments represented by any sort of elite -- hence it being called "populist". The only attempt at such an articulation was made by people who merely bought into a coarse biological determinism thesis about human biodiversity, which is interesting in its own right but is not sufficient to present a view of society, say much less to counter act the hegemonic progressive view of the liberals, supported as it is by state monies and an army of state priest preaching the good news of the generic human type.

Now the progressive forces are on full display, using the white nationalist to whip up their own troops, elevating a marginal element of society to a threat that's supposed to be more serious than Islam. They're in full control. They don't just have the deep state but deep media and deep academia.

>>138137453
I knew the guy was bad news from the start, I saw some of his vids and he's a total freakin autist. Many of these "big" people in the movement are this. Ramz is right about Alt-Right, there are good ideas out there, but it's executed horribly and led by incompetent autists who LARP around and only want attention/money to look cool with their shitty haircut.

Stickman is one example. Propped up as some LE BASED MAN etc. Does nothing but whore himself out for money. It's all a scam, I hope the economy crashes so an actual movement emerges and liquidates these fucks.

>>138138218
A movement, to live, needs an elite and possibly zealot in order to propel it forward. One of the thing that has happened ever since WWII is that the new elites, which is to say high IQ, high productivity people, have mostly been monopolized by some version or another of the left, leaving the right with very thin ranked spread over various ideologies. That's a big problem for us.

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>>138139064
Who do we have of those "elites"? Jared Taylor? Peter Thiel? I can't think of any more. And even so, Thiel is the only one with enough money to make a dent.

>>138138218
>>138138185
R.I.P.

>>138101641
Individualism is a cattle fence that only white people believe in

>>138132418
you are in the wrong general my dude

>>138139321
Jared Taylor falls precisely in the category of those people I have mentioned who believe in some form or another of biological determinism, and decided that the way forward was to ascribe a positive value to an entity called "the white race" and to then try to convince people to defend that entity. I'm not saying that this is a wrong view but I am saying that it is inadequate. For one thing, the research it relies on does not have much normative import, so that even if we were to agree with Taylor on the basic facts he put forward, we wouldn't have to agree with his social (demographic) prescriptions simply because IQ distributions don't have normative implications.

But the deeper problem has to do wit the positing of this group -- white race -- which is then used by Taylor and his kind as a proxy for an individual characteristic, IQ. This is where even the normative formulation seems to break down somewhat. If what matter about the white race is IQ, then it means that what matter is not the race, but IQ. A "good" society will be one in which mean IQ is high as opposed to low. But since IQ is an individual characteristic, why stay at the group level to ensure a high mean IQ within society? What would follow from an objective of IQ maximization will not be "the preservation of the white race" but rather "the maximization of IQ irrespective of race". This follow from the fact that race is used as a proxy for IQ.

In short, the obsession with IQ does not take us out of the framework of individualism, since IQ is an individual characteristic, and thus it can hardly be used to defend a race, which is a group. Spencer doesn't see this apparently. As far as I know, Taylor neither.

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>>138106626
Well shit nigger what about murder, theft, aggression, and rape?

Why did you list your topics instead of those?

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>>138140906
Taylor goes further than IQ, he also talks about culture, law, art, etc. And basically says without whites modern civilization crumbles. I agree that, in theory, we could say that what we want is a high IQ society (which would anyway get rid of some blacks), but we must not forget that studies show that people simply prefer to be among their kind. He uses that "wealthy blacks move to black neighborhoods just like wealthy whites move to white neighborhoods" argument.

I would still wish socialist whites to be removed.

>>138141298
>AK-47
reeeee

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ok /lrg/ so originally this was just one post that kept going and going until I had to condense it as an image lul

if anybody can stomach the tl;dr, very interested in what you lads might think about it

>>138142549
You're using the expression "true best interest" so you lost me.

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>>138121683
>and apolitical modest girls with a natural cuteness which I would prefer are also rare to a degree that I only can speculate if they are like this when I see them in the streets from time to time.

Tfw

>>138142851
in the context of what I wrote, maybe I should of clarified that bit further as free market capitalism and a staunchly anti-communist position

>>138103760
How can I join the discord?
I don't want to die

>>138143305
When people get in the business of defining what the "true" interest of someone -- or worse, a group -- is, we enter into abstract and ethical considerations that are such that the "true" interest will invariably mean "the thing the author prefers". The reasoning then goes as follow:

1. No one would willingly chose to go against his true interests.
2. People who do so thus only do it through ignorance.
3. It would be in the true interests of people to force them to act in accordance with their true interests.
4. I am thus justified of doing just that.

And, of course, various people interpret "true interests" as meaning whatever it is that they themselves find at the bottom of their soul, so that a communist could very well dream up an invisible communist government sending reactionary elements to the gulag, instead of a secret minarchist government throwing socialist out of helicopters.

Not that I hate helicopters.

What do you think of Bryan caplan?

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>>138142549
No.

First, free flowing information is the cornerstone of free market decision-making, and since free market decision-making is mathematically always optimal, anything less than free flowing information is always a sub-optimal utility maximization schemata.

Second, the wisdom of crowds requires independent thinking, which requires some individuals to necessarily be below average or fringe in order to balance out the distribution of opinions. Otherwise, the market of opinions is inefficient.
t. Behaviorial Economists

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>>138126774
I think Hoppe, /pol/ memes and websites like Liberty Hangout or The Liberty Conservative propelled right libertarianism. NRx died after Land had his breakdown and Moldbug hasnt really been useful the past years. So naturally the normies flocked to the LP because they werent exposed to NRx. Hopefully that will change. I love NRx.

>>138143830
What you have said is true and I apologize for poor use of wording. Really, the crux of what was meant to be conveyed is to say one thing, and then do another, with the other being their "true intention" rather than the expressed one.

>>138144069
I don't understand. Economically, it is a free market. In no way would any market decision be obstructed, just said to be as part of the facade. About the wisdom of crowds and independent thinking, the same applies.

Basically I was just wondering if the idea of a purposefully deceptive political ideology exists, or if it's even applicable within a libertarian or free market platform.

>>138144791
*libertarian and capitalist to the minimal extent possible, obviously not the point of eliminating itself since this is still technically a statist operation

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>>138144791
>purposely deceptive
>free flow of information
Are you alright? Do (you) have brain damage?

>>138145952
I see your point and how it may compound towards influencing business economically, however I must disagree if you had meant to imply any kind of contradiction between purposeful deception and free flow of information.

Omitting and withholding information isn't necessarily stopping free flow of information: you have just as much freedom not to say anything as you have to say something. There is an area of half-truths and many aspects of informational evasion while maintaining free flow. The information is no way obstructed, it is still free to circulate.

But again yes, I do see your point on how it may affect the market. Nonetheless the base of my idea is not to physically remove communists in the open, but in their sleep and in the dark.

>>138144108
Land had a breakdown? Do you just mean his views diverged from you, an anonymous poster on a Serbian gay calligraphy forum?

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This one isn't my OC

>>138147334
No. From what I hear he snapped and now lives in Shanghai. Shills for accelerationism.

>>138147334
http://hollaforums.com/thread/708007/activism/how-do-you-argue-against-nick-land.html

See if you can make any sense of this.

>>138148048
>now lives in Shanghai

I truly, truly loathe white people going to Asia and unironically want them lynched.

>>138148048
he has been an accelerationist for as long as he has been a neoreactionary...one is method, the other is goal

the nigger is still tweeting and blogging daily fyi

>>138148738
Why desu? Singapore is okay.

>>138148715
again fyi he tweets by the name @Outsideness and his blog is linked on his twitter

seems like he followed postmodernism into some dark corners of his own psyche, and emerged a neoreactionary. He is still a neoreactionary. He is still writing.

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AnCaps are so dumb; how the fuck are you even going to have roads, morons? Gas yourselves.

>>138149444
To be sure it is, but no white deserves to escape to Asian pasture after having let their own country be irrevocably fucked by diversity. None deserve to escape, and the Asians don't deserve to have their country diversified by these vermin. And yeah I'm white.

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>>138149765
Good to know hes okay.

>>138150107
Fair enough. I agree to some extent.

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>>138150509
Gimme more bait memes

>>138101641
Who is second from the right in the banner? It's really really hard to recognize these people without their iconic noses.

Also, how do you plan to win the war of hearts and minds over the normies? Is your go-to spokesperson (to reach mainstream status) still Ron Paul?

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What do you faggots think of Mike Maloney? I think the Hidden Secrets of Money are great for normies to turn into radical libertarians.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iFDe5kUUyT0

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>>138151594
were you referring to Mises?

>>138151921
Yep. That's the nose I was looking for.

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Can we have some more sneks in the tread?

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>>138153152
this one always makes me giggle

>>138153392
what the hell would a society of stirners even look like? they'd just keep trespassing each other? I feel like stirner can only work if everyone else doesn't follow it

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>>138153392
Stop shitting in the only thread that might possibly appreciate you, senpai.