Advice for /pol/ from Jordan Peterson

>>138036529
forgot link
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https://youtu.be/MeNxc6MqXuM?t=5760

>>138036529
What a dumbass. Extreme individualism is the reason why West is in this situation in the first place. When you're being attacked your enemy won't let you change the battleground, especially if it's advantageous for him.

You can be a stellar individual but you're going to get your shit pushed in when facing a mediocre collective.

>>138036529
how is the individual supposed to win the game against an entire team?

his advice makes no sense

>>138037874
you don't have to defeat others, you only have to defeat your own weaknesses.

>>138036529
>instead of playing the collectivist game (this includes the alt-right identity politics) play the individualist game and get your act together.
because a stick is more powerful than a bundle, right?
>>138038345
This is retarded, as long as you live under the same government you will be subject to whims of the ones in power, and you can't get in power if you don't organize and spread your message. His thinking is impossible, no one besides him believe this crap, especially founding fathers.

>>138036529

Jordan Peterson is generally the man, but I have to respectively disagree.

Right now our nation is being torn apart by giant groups like AntiFa and BLM. The only way to fight them is to band together, because as they've shown by tearing down monuments and spilling blood on the streets, individuals cannot reason with them.

Individualism only works if like minded individuals stand up together.

The irony is thick, but it's the only way.

Try talking to a group of alt-left about individualism on your own and see how well that goes.

>>138038345
what does that mean

if the team is all in league to make you their slave

how do you beat them by being a strong individual

>>138039227

*Respectably. Damn autocorrect.

>>138036529
This is self-improvement bullshit that is irrelevant to what's happening. He's trying to shoehorn his own brand into current events.

What /pol/ should be focusing on is exposing corruption and shenanigans among elites, antifa and not shying away from investigating if Spencer et al are feds or controlled opposition.

>>138036529
Why not form a collective based on individual achievement and improvement Instead of crying and asking for handouts? One where white Chads teach white betas how to lift and get chicks while the betas teach the Chads functional programming and how to ace an interview?

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>>138036529
Identity politics for white people is about merit and equality (fairness, not fucking over white people).

>>138039227

I understand what he means by saying to promote individualism; however, that's because he is a professor who has stood his ground as an individual against the hordes of leftists. What I don't think he has taken into account is that the majority of people are not individuals, they're herd animals who's only strength is by banding together.

>>138037870
He's not advocating for extreme individualism. Besides, I don't even think that is the reason for the West's current state, but nihilism instead. Peter Hitchens talks about the demoralization of Europe and especially England after 2 world wars which led to us abandoning Christianity and Nationalism.

Individualism tends to provide people with greater liberty and autonomy. Nationalism is a form of individualism (on a global scale) which is all about being an autonomous nation. I've always though identity politics was dumb, and the notion of whiteness is dumb as well. The fact that so-called nationalists want to play this identity politics is contradictory. There is no such thing as white. Imagine saying Scots, Irish and English are all just white 100-200 years ago. It's literally no different than the "we're all human xD"

>>138039227
I think he's basically saying to not form a hivemind of ideology, of course that you can't get rid of ideology itself, especially when you try to form a unified community, but don't base it on race or gender. The blm and antifa leftist are doing it themselves and are basically baiting for a similar response, because it fuels their side and it gives it more credence. If you feel like winning right now based on your white identitarian movement and if you think that it will come on top, you're not paying attention, it's just making the left stronger, at least until an actual civil war lite breaks out. If that's your plan go on.

>>138040150
>leafposting
200 years ago you'd have gotten the shit beaten out of you by scots, irish, and brits for suggesting they're all the same.

Huh, funny that, a moron saying stupid shit can get people to work together.

>>138036529
The problem is leftist identity is superficial nonsense designed to uproot society while right-wing identity is mostly the preservation of humanity and its future. One need only refer to Rome and/or Sodom/Gomorrah to know where leftist ideology leads civilization. Even the destruction of Atlantis is widely attributed to its inhabitants abandoning their humanity in a selfish pursuit to achieve divinity by any means necessary.

>>138039801
toppest of all keks

>>138036529
>if you kill your enemies, they win
Peterson is a complete cuck. A Disney-conservative.
>muh Pinocchio
>muh be a hero (whatever that means)
>muh radical centrism

There was something similarly stated by someone else, I forget whom, but basically, "when you treat white people like a minority, they're going to start voting like one."

>>138040329
So basically "do not be like you founding fathers" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c7YzrbeLbJE
They literally predicted we would be in this situation due to race problem....

>>138039535
>He's trying to shoehorn his own brand into current events.
Bingo. Peterson is a fucking motivational speaker.
/pol/acks ate it all up because
>muh Kek memes

If you play the same game as your opponent's you lose? How can you lose with 200 million white people in America?

>>138036529
>go individualist
>when your enemy is united
Have fun being conquered.

>>138036529
I'm ok with them using the nazi card.

I'm weary of Jordan Peterson, actually. He's got a few areas of psychology mapped out, but it's not like he's got all the answers, despite the idiots who ask him questions outside of his expertise.

>>138040439
>muh be a hero
I also find that funny, he says "hero", but the biggest heroes of the past were basically people who could kill foreigners better than anyone else does, how does this translate into his views?

>>138040439
he's more educated then your whole family line combined.
other than that he's an eternal centrist

fuck this kike
rebel media trash

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>>138036529
>if you play the game, you lose

>>138040599
Individualism now is just be divided and be conquered

>>138036529

Either way, white people lose.

Great.

Peterson is a fucking compromised faggot.
You Americans and Canadians keep worrying about your "individualist selves" while the jews flood your countries with shit skins.
Meanwhile in Hungary, Poland, and Israel the government worries about identity politics and is preserving the ethnic bloodline of its people.
Hungary is so red pilled that over here Jordan Peterson would be considered a liberal open borders FAGGOT.

>>138039227
'He's a cuckservative. He's invested millions of dollars in a project to help niggers.

>>138040645
This. He's a good red pill suppository for normies, but he will never, ever entertain or confront the JQ because he's so terrified of muh NAZIS.

>>138036529
>play the individualist game and get your act together

Isn't this what the right is doing? They are just being branded as white collectivists.

>>138036529
Fuck that

I vouch for individualism within an ETHNIC boundary.

>>138040701
This.

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Threadly reminder.

>>138040329
If any, people should be united according to their religion but the """""enlightenment"""" happened

>>138040743
Like Richard Spencer said:

>"Individualism is for fags."

>>138040836
Also called "common fucking sense".

>>138039248

It's very basic advice what do you not understand. A bunch of basement larpers who dump memes will never get anything done by following the collectivist Marxist principles that the left employ (see BLM, Feminists, Antifa). That's because people can point at groups like that and say "look at all those faggots lapping as Nazis Hahaha ha hahaha."

Instead it is far more practical to live lives of purity of soul and body, meaning, work on yourself and achieve an Ubermensh mentality while sticking to your politics and principles. When all the left leaning weaklings see that you can no longer lump people of our ideology in a pile all they can do is attack our character which at that point is pristine and better than theirs. Thus we win the political war over fat, drug and sex addicted lefties. By leading lives far superior to their own and not being afraid to voice our opinions in public.

It's not that hard once you get a job and can depend on yourself.

>>138040439
Good job olah.
Notice how he assumes truth telling to be the ultimate virtue, yet stays silent about the jews? You mean to tell me this edumucated faggot doesn't know the role jews play in pushing marxism and postmodernism? Of course he does, but he's too much of a pussy to say anything. Truth-telling my fucking ass.

>>138039555
I think this is what Petersen was getting at, we can't fall for the identity shit, we have to belittle them and act as if labels dont matter, and not label ourselves

>>138037870
I'd say it's corruption of the collectivist school systems by anti-white lefties.

>>138040599
>>go individualist
>>when your enemy is united
>Have fun being conquered.
This,he also called hirtler evil and based it on a whole ton of complete mistruths that only circular academia due to establishment stooge historians.

>>138036529
collectives are stronger than individuals, and this is a war.

individualism is still an ID, one self assigned and impossible for others to know unless you explicitly state it to them, you'll still be placed in the collectives by all observers

>>138040977
>Instead it is far more practical to live lives of purity of soul and body, meaning, work on yourself and achieve an Ubermensh mentality while sticking to your politics and principles
Get a load of this idiot. No revolution was ever won by staying indoors and meditating. You win revolutions by lining your enemies up against the wall

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>>138036529
>your girlfriend dumped you? get your act together
>niggers want you dead? get your act together
>muslims blowing shit up? we need more compassion
Just a clever autist with Stockholm syndrome.

>>138038345

You can't save yourself from communist revolutionaires by using "yoga teacher" rethoric. You people are fucking crazy if you think they will stop because you act holier-than-thou. People like peterson will ride his highhorse right into their gulags.

>>138041116
This is metaphorical dude, trump didn't win because he played the I'm white card, he didn't gibe a shit.

The point is dont fall into the identity trap, and unite based on hatred for PC shit and id politics

the individual cannot exist except within the context of a stable and cohesive collective. our collective has been undermined and so we must fix it by re-asserting our own ethnic identity.

>>138039555
Swear to God, Neo Reaction is setting out to do that (some Nick B Steves tweet from a few days ago. Can't find it fast though). 'cept the NRxers probably already know functional programming.

>>138041178
OR
>work your way up
>get money
>don't play their game
>start buisiness
>win the their game

wonder if he has any suggestions on how to NOT get killed to death. they want you dead. at this point in the game, the future doesn't look too bright; thus, we have to ask ourselves if we truly want to survive at all, only to end up in a global dystopian chaotic world.

>>138038345
>if your enemies defeat you, you win.

>>138036529
He's good for individual advice but he's politically illiterate quite frankly.

All political movements are based on a collective goal, you cannot have a political movement based solely on individualistic principles.

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>>138036529
Individualism is what won us the battles we've won if you think about it.
Rallies and groups are for people that are in the wrong or are on the unpopular side of government action. It made sense to collect and rally when Obama and his congress were passing laws defying common sense. But common sense won in November and we elected a government to clean up the mess. The protesters exposed themselves for the retards they are by bringing violence and unreasonable demands to the table. The alt-right creating gangs and rallies only empowered the unreasonables in the public eye and made ourselves look like the extremists because as a group we overpower them. By protesting and rallying around one statue, we now stand to lose many.
I love to no end watching the antifas get their shit pushed in, but they do it well enough themselves. Our strength is in common sense and the power of the individual.

>>138036529
>he recommends that people don't do it because if you play the same game as you opponents
It's not about "playing the same game as our opponents" you retard, we genuinely, legitimately just don't want to see whites become minorities in their own countries because we have mountains of evidence to prove that whites are the only ones actually perpetuating the white western culture the world loves so much.

We don't want ANYONE to become the victims of soft genocide (or hard for that matter) and since whites are the main target of such a genocide today we are advocating for white/ethno-nationalism to ensure our peoples and race don't go fucking extinct. Advocating for white nationalism is JUST. It is THE ONLY solution to stop our genocide as a race.

>>138041323
all of trump's rhetoric was implicitly pro-white despite its civic nationalist overtones

>>138040995
It's true; you can easily put two and two together, he chooses not to speak on it or even entertain the notion of it... or the biological and cultural evolution of ethnic groups. Best case scenario he's trying to Red Pill people slowly so that he doesn't get completely drummed out of Academia. Worst case scenario he doesn't want to lose any of his Jew Professor friends.

Well shit, lets dissolve the unions. Can't win by playing the enemy's game, collective bargaining is a trap.
>get your act together
With no freedom and half my income going to Mohammad and his 40 little niglets?

>>138036529
>when a group of enemies are attacking you, don't join a group and fight back
What did he mean by this?

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>>138036529
Terrible advice. Divided we fall. We should play the collectivist game covertly and pretend otherwise openly. Just like Jews.

>>138040335
Some scots and Irish would still beat the shit out of you for it
>t. Scotsman

I have always believed this :)

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>>138036529
>>138036529
>>138036529
NOW is the time to go to ANTIFA rallies undercover and agitate / smashy. They have been successfully labeled (Alt-Left), it is time to show the world what this new "Alt-Left" thing is all about.
>Bring a friend if you can so you don't look out of place/ have more credibility.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GOEweZtlonQ
@1:18

>>138036529
>>he recommends that people don't do it because if you play the same game as you opponents you lose
Cuck faggot coward, the game is your peoples right to collectively bargain in their own self interest. Loser.

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>>138036529
But civilization has never been individualist, jordan...

What the fuck does he mean by that? Obviously the nietzschean ubermench is not attainable.

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As a White person, why should you be afraid of White identity politics, White nationalism, or White "supremacism" ?
Why should you fear a political movement that advocates your group interests ?

>>138041425
Yes individualism is what put Jews in power...on no wait it was ethnocentrism. Collectivism doesn't necessarily mean going to a honeypot rally organised by the FBI.

>>138041144

Do you have a girlfriend? A professional job? Are you unafraid to speak your mind in public or on social media about politics knowing no one will judge you? I have seen so many of you weak willed faggots larp on here but fail to achieve the simplest things that make a man a man. Once you get these things and people look to you as someone they can depend on no one will question you when you speak the truth about politics or happenings on faceburg or w/e. The true redpill is being an adult and standing up for your beliefs in REAL every day life. Not larping about lining up your enemies on an online Romanian gelatin carving forum. You can larp about gassing lefties all you want but if in reality you are a fat fuck who works at Walmart you are inherently what is wrong with our cause.

Professor Pied Piper will teach younglings the boomer wisdom of Live Laugh Love as western civ destroyed by retards

>>138041711
Because Prof. Shlomo Shekelberg wrote our curriculum.

>>138036529
>instead of playing the collectivist game (this includes the alt-right identity politics) play the individualist game and get your act together.
Literally the 1980s
No. As much as it pains me to admit, individualism can only take you so far.

>>138041095
>whole ton of complete mistruths that only circular academia due to establishment stooge historians

this deserves its own thread. How do we red-pill someone who has been marinated in misinformation/disinformation his entire life, not unlike most of the burgerville population. The entire Left is operating in a world that doesn't exist, an alternate, disconnected reality.

the only thing missing from the equation is a cult leader telling us all to drink the Kool Aid and die with dignity.

>>138040995
He stays silent about blacks' lower IQs, too. He knows about IQ differences, because he knows that Jews' IQs are higher. I don't knock the guy, his enterprise could not survive a day if he brought that up, but it does take the moral edge off of his exhortations to always tell the truth at any cost.

>>138041488
It was completely obvious. That was why the Left was freaking out about it because they weren't ready for the battle to be spoken about openly. They were running out of time and they needed to be more subversive, but Trump jumped starting gun. He made it acceptable to bring all of this out into the open and they are freaking out because they hadn't finished their covert programming.

Jordan "young people are turning to the right and that's not good" Peterson.
Still like him though.

>>138037870
>Extreme individualism
Actually it was when we gave women the vote

>>138041790
Dude I just got a girlfriend and the west is still in a death spiral of demographic suicide what the fuck. You lied to me!
>The true redpill is being an adult and standing up for your beliefs in REAL every day life.
The true redpill is boxcars. It's gold stars and serial tattoos. It's Generalplan Ost and Zyklon B. Your fortune cookie wisdom is like how hospitals drug the terminally ill so they're comfortable before light's out.

>>138036529
You only lose if the other side is better at it than you are
You can also feign playing the same game as them while you're doing something else

The right is playing identity politics, but they know they're doing it and it's to rile up the left. Whites being interested in white-identity politics means they're another step closer to going full 1488

Pretty scary times given how it looks like nazis are going to make a comeback, it seems pretty obvious if you look at everything going on as part of the big picture, and it makes me sick that someone like Trump allowed this to happen, and even promoted it.

>>138036529
>instead of playing the collectivist game (this includes the alt-right identity politics) play the individualist game and get your act together.

>Muslims, fags, kikes, lefties, all playing collectivist game
>But white man must play individual gameplay.

>If you are winning you lose

I want to gas this god damn kike so much.

Wed win, were better fighters https://youtu.be/-i886pP5klo

>>138042132
Giving the women the right to vote is individualism.
Before that, a single vote was seen as more like a man and his entire family. Now gender is a political issue that tears families apart. Progress?

>>138037874
It's the difference between voluntary association between like minded individuals(something that has been outlawed since the 60's in America) and forced collectivism that makes you associate with people you hate based on arbitrary principles.

>>138036529
Actually it's the left that has picked the identity politics from the right and they are losing at our game because being a faggot or a tranny is not real identity and being a nigger or a mudslime is not a worthwhile identity
Individualism only leads to being destroyed by collectivist cultures which perform better when it comes to invasions and cultural hegemony

>>138036529
>play the individualist game and get your act together.
this would be all find and dandy if it wasn't for DEMOGRAPHICS

>>138041711

His point seems to be that the person offering the game (in this case, identity politics being offered by the left) has an advantage in playing it, due to greater experience, aptitude, etc. So by agreeing to use that frame of reference, you're putting yourself in an inferior position to them.

There is some merit to what he's saying, seeing how the majority of white people these days seem to be rather uncomfortable with white identity. Of course that's not saying that white identity politics are somehow worse than the colored equivalent, but you will have a much harder time convincing people to join your cause.

I love how Peterson is organically losing his appeal, because many here have digested what he's said and found it wanting, no-one's just attacking him with garbage truck memes.

>>138042297
Women are not individuals and technically speaking, they don't have souls.

>>138041872
Hey yeah who provides the water for antifa rallies?

>>138042478
That's why it was very wrong to allow the to vote.
We went full retard.

>>138041752
you're right it doesn't. But that seems to have been the result. The beauty of /pol/ and how we memed a US president into power is that we aren't a "we" really. We are a group of individuals from all walks of life with a common view. The power level of /pol/ is that we look like and for many intents and purposes ARE the normies. Much easier to get a point across when you are among the people you are exposing this shit to. We only started being seen as the enemy when we ate the DNC bait and allowed ourselves to be named and acted accordingly.

does jordan realize that extraordinary men like the philosophers he idolizes existed within the context of a stable and cohesive COLLECTIVE

>>138040977
this is fucking retarded, go jerk of your psychologist dope prophet somewhere else

>>138042472
Everyone who has something to lose must eventually bow to the jews.

Fortunately they've gotten greedy and they've given us all nothing to lose.

>>138038724
when a bundle can be redefined by the mainstream media as "right wing terrorism", then yes

>>138036529
Actioni contrariam semper et æqualem esse reactionem: sive corporum duorum actiones in se mutuo semper esse æquales et in partes contrarias dirigi.

I blame the left.

>>138042239
FUCKING LEAF POST. GO BACK TO THE KEK COUNTRY OF THE WESTERN HEMISPHERE.

>>138042615


Perhaps you should go let Muhhamod in. He's at the door and he hasn't gotten his dick sucked yet today Svenska.

>>138036529
Yeah basically. Sort yourself out, make a good life, create something to be proud and inspire your fellow men to look to you as an example by leading. This is far more effective than shouting "1488 gas the kikes"

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>>138036529

Fuck this guy.

This is what a nation on identity politics looks like.

This is what we want.

This is what we are going to make happen.

IT'S LIFE OR DEATH.

14/88 SENPAI

>>138040595
lol
you know our own people are our enemy right? id rather some based nigger who likes america be at my side than most of my fellow "whites"

>>138040773
This is why no one takes you storm fags seriously.

>>138042787
>leading
this implies you would be followed

sounds a bit collectivist m8

>>138042470
>His point seems to be that the person offering the game (in this case, identity politics being offered by the left) has an advantage in playing it, due to greater experience
Allegiance to, and affinity for, the tribe is the birthright of all humans. The tribe existed before Aristotle and it exists today. You do not need to develop aptitude for identity politics so much as a rediscovery of them and reassurance that it is not evil to advocate for one's tribe.

>>138038345

You will be defeating your own weakness as you're dragged behind horses just outside the gulag, comrade

>>138042787
Yeah just have a nice life with white and kids and all
Then be tortured and killed by feral niggers because you didn't notice when your nation became overrun by them

>>138042470
And what cause is that, if it's not white identity? GIve up white identity politics, to ... what? I think defeating SJW types is his aim, what he gave is not advice for a tricky way to achieve white identity.

>>138042470
Except when you come in, play their game, and blow it up like Trump did with politics.

>>138036529
>instead of playing the collectivist game (this includes the alt-right identity politics) play the individualist game and get your act together.

Why not both

>>138040773
show your flag, "hungarian"

>>138042787
>make a good life
There's no good life to be had in this diseased civilization. Everything is putrid and dying. Any children I have will be terrified their entire lives if this ship doesn't reverse course.

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Peterson reminds of that kind of Christian right-wing politicians in Germany in the 50s, 60s and the 70s who had to fill the hole in the political spectrum after the process of denazification of the country.
Cucked, spineless and extremely individualist.

The only reason to support JBP is because he is a very big anti-communist/anti-marxist and because he is reintroducing Christianity to normies.

>>138042297
Only if you(wrongly) consider women to have the same agency as men. Our forefathers knew this going back 10,000 years at least. Women and Children need stewardship and protection from strong capable men. When they want to make bad decisions, your job is to put your foot down and be the paternal figure that guides them towards a better path.
Men must do this for themselves first though. In a world where men are at the top of the heirarchy, they must appeal themselves to an ideal standard. It starts with men taking responsibility and holding themselves and each other to the highest standard. From there we can lead others down the path to righteousness.

>>138042774
> attacking an ally
Unless of course you're brown. Then it makes sense.

>>138041357
You know that there are systems in place in USA that discriminate against white business owners right. They give subsidies to "minority" business owners making them more competitive with white ones. Again you people are just being silly.
>>138042659
>your enemy call you the worst thing ever
Grass is green, skies are blue...

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RIB05YeMiW8&t=1s
https://www.hooktube.com/watch?v=RIB05YeMiW8&t=1s
HES NOT A CHRISTIAN

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>>138042671
To expand on this thought:
I was never racist as a kid until I've been told what an evil white male I am.

I never hated (((them))) until they've decided my way of living is unacceptable in their greater plan of multicultural europe.

I never hated gays until they've went to the streets and started shouting I'M HERE, I'M QUEER, DEAL WITH IT HOMOPHOBES.

Fuck this gay earth. At least there's video games.

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>>138036529
>if you fight for your race, they win
Fuck this meme pseudointellectual and every retard that donated even a cent to him.

>>138040727
Sauce on the midget porn.

>>138042470
The logic fails though when the left considers us to have been playing that game first, even though it's these groups that won't shut up about race.

>>138037870
This..

>>138042774
youre the one acting like a cocksucker you retarded fucking buddist cuck

>>138039227
pretty much this glad the shills have left for a bit

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>>138043250
Wow is it easy to prove this guy wrong, also he doesn't have church tradition on his side either.

Jude
>Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.

>>138042828
>yes go-I mean guys
>let's not get our acts together, let's find a scapegoat, rally together and LARP as Utopian german socialists that got obliterated 70 years ago
Fascism, National Socialism, and Communism are all forms of collectivist CANCER.
These systems inevitable collapse under their own weight because top down centrally controlled societies are BULLSHIT and fucking SUCK to live in.
If you follow any of these ideologies it's because you are a loser who wants a father figure to manage your life for you, whether that's daddy Stalin or Uncle Adolf.

>>138043250
hes fucking retarded

Even though JP is a cuck, he's right. When we raise the quality of our own individual, we as superior beings can easily vanquish liberal degenerates. Collectivism is shit when all of our ego's are so big that we can't even enter a chat server together without trolling

>>138036529
JP is freaking out that he started a shoa unwillingly.

>>138043680
civilization is collectivist.

>>138043250
>says the country that's been losing since it started fighting for its race

healthy individual, healthy society

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>>138043680
>the third reich collapsed under its own weight

>>138043680
Fascism preached for both a strong individual and a strong collective, while Communism wants a strong working class who will obey and follow the General Secretary.

>>138036529
>imo Trump didn't win because of identity politics

You're wrong. White people may not admit (even to themselves) that's why they voted for him, but the demographic breakdown of the vote makes it clear they did, just as non-whites do.

>>138040150
Extreme individualism-->purposelessness-->nihilism--> moral-less society --> trannies and faggots everywhere

>>138036529
Dear God. Why am I destined to have a love/hate relationship with a Canadian talking head?

He's literally a fucking a leaf!

the family is collectivist

>>138043748
He didn't start the fire.
The worlds been burning since it started turning.

>>138043680
This, what we should really all be is floating nobodies with no identity, nothing important. We should be who shove dildos up their assholes for pleasure since that is most fulfilling thing ever.

>>138044250
>they

>>138044250
Identifying as a member of a race and having a collective mindset are not the same thing. Whites voted overwhelmingly for Trump because identity politics was detrimental to them as individuals and also far beyond the scope of common sense. The problem with identity politics is that identity is an individual experience. The movements become granular and kill themselves from within. See trans vs trans people of color or gay vs trans or this whole silliness of determine who is white and who is not. A common sentiment does not equate to a collective hivemind.

If anyone of you guys ITT is already doing what he's talking about, the sorting out and stuff not like Chris Cantwell sorting, good sorting, then good
Form a collective help with what you can but just putting a color on a collective without actual values and morals, and inb4 muh morals, he's just arguing that morals keep a collective together better than authority, both are needed but if one falls you either have dismemberment or a causeless and directionless strong bundle of sticks, and people are usually not drones to ignore the moral part.

>>138040150
(((Who))) has been demoralizing us?

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>>138044704
>>138044250
>>138044678
Just for reference

>>138044704
>identity is an individual experience
You're born into a family, you're born into a nation with particular cultural, religious, ethnic, and linguistic characteristics. Identity is in the blood. It's only a recent phenomenon that identity has been presented as nothing more than a gaudy buffet table for snowflakes to pick and choose from.

>>138041425
They basically punished people by taking away the confederate statues. It was a reaction designed to dissuade future right wing protestors.


Can you imagine if trump had removed science funding when the left decided to march for science and outright disregard him in the process?

They don't want you to protest. They want you to sit idlely by as they remove your history, culture, and influence from society.

Wake up, friend.

>>138039227
If we play the game though we will lose. We have to play a different game. White nationalism will not work because the social climate simply won't allow for it. Racism is still evil in the eyes of the general population.

>>138038724
A bundle of people with horrendously stupid ideas might be more powerful than a man with correct ideas. But which would you rather be a part of? Might doesn't make right.

Peterson is attacking the idea that EVERYONE should hold the same opinion within an group. He's saying there shouldn't even be an ingroup, and therefore there wouldn't be an outgroup.
He's fighting echo-chambers dude.

If you want to band together into a collective to fight for a good cause then great, but don't make it an echo-chamber. Allow other opinions to surface and debate.

>>138040836
this this this.

>>138045016
is wyoming the least cucked state in the union?

>>138045016
Doesn't refute my point in the least. Identity politics in the age of Obama drove whites to come out and vote for Trump. Not as a collective but against the collective mindset of cultural marxists. Again, similar points of view among individuals does not create an identity, it just means many individuals have a common concern.

>>138044481
Nope. Family is private property, dumb commie.

That's why real families have inter-generational wealth and rule your ignorant ass.

>>138045252
>If we play the game though we will lose. We have to play a different game.
t. conservatives in the 60s, 70s, 80s, 90s, 00s, 10s

>>138040875
He surely never said that! It's bullshit.
Well, you need axioms for proof, but Godel doesn't enter into it. And faith in God is a pre-requisite for all proof?

That's such bullshit, that it can only be an 'unedited' version.

>>138040524
What a great video.

>>138040150
Truth is that different people are different, and are more or less prone to adoption of group identities. In a fitting bit of mindfuckery, groups themselves display different levels of ethnocentrism and clannishness. A truly liberal structure would allow people who are ethnocentric to develop communities excluding people who aren't like them, while also allowing for diverse communities for whoever prefers them. Unfortunately I think the subtlety required to actually understand our Liberal tradition isn't common, and much of the misunderstandings can be blamed upon the gatekeepers of that tradition itself.

The problem with a white American nationalism is that half the founding stock of America have tended towards less ethnocentrism and clannishness and more towards religious extremism. Religion is a form of identity that can, when enforced, bind people of different ethnic groups together. I don't think ethnocentrism is some kind of moral failing like progressive dogma would have it, I think its a perfectly reasonable evolutionary adaptation that can on occasion go haywire but typically is a neutral or healthy trait. But its obviously NOT evenly distributed. It makes perfect sense to say Italians are more clannish than Scandinavians and it conforms perfectly to our expectations of those groups. Likewise, the New England founding stock, while firmly race realists, were also inclined towards religious extremism. Once "antiracism" became an essentially religious idea to them, the jig was up. There's no explanation from white nationalists how they'll convert these people who seem bent on making themselves into a religious offering away. It seems like the most logical decision would be to cut bait, separate the clannish whites from the universalists, and say hey, its been nice, see you around. But universalists are not about to let their favorite victim off the hook. Also, yes, Jews played a role in this going so off the rails, don't (()) me

>>138044250
it was more of a response to the bullshit identity politics from the left, so of course white people united there against that, not because they were white, but because there were a lot of promise that hated it.
i guarantee you that the same white normies will go against the most violent or ridiculous identitarian movement. Charlottesville looked dumb and a fat nobody was martyrized on top of everything. keep hitting your heads against a wall or come up with something new not necessarily centrist level individualistic but something better, for fucks sake.

>>138036529
He is obviously correct. You don't let the enemy determine an optimal position for battle, let them camp, and then approach them on their terms.

Of course stormniggers are basically all feds and gullible retards and won't understand this very basic fact, but I know /pol/ is full of a lot of thoughtful people who can understand this.

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>>138043235
>it depends on what you mean by jesus
Holy fuck this faggot just cannot answer a question or make any statement in a straightforward, clear-headed way. He has to make a fucking "deep" philosophical pontification about absolutely fucking everything

>hey Jordan what colour is grass?
>Well..... it depends what kind of grass you're talking about, one man's lawn of grass is another man's wild exotic flowers. I think your question is very telling of the kind of binary simplistic thinking that plagues the world today, everyone's so concerned with the colour of grass but nobody cares about what grass actually is. What does grass actually MEAN?? You ever think about that?
I swear I could fucking do his job, it's just perpetual indecisive meandering from one vague pontification to the next.

>>138045023
Hardly. My children haven't grown up with my political views, nor do they mirror their mother's. Religion is continuously splitting itself into factions based on individual interpretations and sentiment. Ethnic? really? See again the battle over who is white and who is not. Linguistic? What are dialects then? Nations are comprised of individuals with common goals. We are definitely tribal in nature, there's no denying that, but only to the point that it benefits the individual. Each person has a conscience and does things according to their individual morality unless forced otherwise.

>>138037870
You're that guy that brings a knife to a gun fight; he's telling you how to actually win, but you're too stubborn to listen, sad.

>>138045121
Of course taking down the statues is punishment, but if they had nothing to punish we may have lost 4 or 5 statues across the nation instead of the many we stand to lose now. It is naive to deny that UTR was anything but an opportunity to start a fight. The statue was an excuse.

>>138037870
Jordon Peterson is an extreme liberal.

The literal communists don't like him because he thinks authoritarian communism is bad.

His goal is not to save western society but to recreate the society that was destroyed and can never exist again.

At least he understands they are performing a cultural revolution and likely a coup. (That's why Obama is always out of the country so that he can't be arrested when it kicks off.)

>>138045893
So you agree with me that identity has been bastardized into a buffet table. Thanks for the globalist boilerplate.

>>138037870
No it isnt. Shit is pushed on people and they temd to target young dumb people because they are easy to sway. Its why people fall for the Sjw and Nazi memes

>>138043964
>implying a t*rkish race exists
The III. Anatolian Reich will come soon, brother.

>>138045344
Seems like you're just trying to deny reality, buck-o.

>>138039227
Antifa is like Occupy is like every other collection of bored college kids. They all eventually get tired of being poor and get jobs or they eventually become homeless. We just have to wait it out.

>>138037870
This. Pole bro is smarter than shrink Peterson.

>>138037874
He makes perfect sense and the reason you say that is you don't think out the box. I would still play dirty though. For example... if ai had hacking ability I would hack the shit outa people and expose them wikileaks style.

>>138039227
This is the trouble with individualism, generally, groups of individuals can't enforce "no group identities" on others either practically or morally. Practically, its impossible, and morally, if your credo is be your own person you have no basis from which to condemn someone deciding that "their own person" involves a group identity. At that point, the group that acts the most cohesively is going to have a huge advantage in influencing the culture.

But despite this obvious flaw, Peterson is also right that the right wing trying to play identity politics with the left is likely to lose, but hes wrong that "playing our own game" (meaning individualism)

>>138036529
This is patently stupid, and so is Jordan Peterson.

The Left is winning because the right is letting the Left's premises stand. The left will always paint the right as racist/xenophobic/Nazis. That's what the left does.

Saged

>>138036529
Just don't label yourself and never let the left put a label on you, ggwp

>>138036529
Alt-right has no definition. You will always lose when you have no definition. Make it explicit and write: "no Peterson allowed".

>>138045344
Whites always voted for republicans, lel

>>138046166
Identity when addressed collectively will always turn into a buffet table. Thats not globalist thought. Common thought is not the same as identity politics. Common ethnicity is not a collective mindset either, it's biology. As a group of people, whites are different, blacks are different, asians are different etc. Regional differences also exist. But these are not collectivism in the sense of identity politics. They are common sense and nature.

>>138039555
Fuck your collective

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>>138043680
this is the most sensible post in here.

pol doesn't realize you don't need an overbearing, big brother, pedophile and drug gang ran government to have cultural unity. governments create the illusion of mass identity through coercion and mind control; whereas, a familial and cultural bond that is organized from the bottom up is much stronger and less prone to subversion (aka why the USA lasted so long without a central bank).

>>138041872
Make them watch david irving speeches, no one individual has dedicated as much life as he has to archives and evidence based research on ww2. Make them watch his unbelievable in depth ottawa 89 speech on documents about churchill and all the dodgy shit leading up to the war then ask them at the end "did this speech seem worthy of being banned from countries, archives and threatened jail time worthy?".

lefties telling everyone that whites should be the only ones who are not allowed to play identity politics or civnats telling their 90% white audience that no one should play identity politics lead to exactly the same outcome

>>138041700
He wants your shekels, centrists want all the shekels.

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>>138036529
/pol/ is literally retarded.

>Our tribalism is failing, let's adapt by abandoning tribalism... together.

>>138046297
How so?
How many white coalitions did you see out vocally supporting trump? How many "alt-right" protests were out at those rallies when regular people were being beat on by leftist groups? We voted as individuals, not armies.

>>138047017
>Ancom
Drop the memfalg, leaf.

>>138046601
Oh really? Then why is antifa majority white? Whites dont vote as a collective

>>138047017
2-party system might loose voters and that's their krypton. They want at all costs to keep voters to vote for the 2 party system.

>>138041872
>>138046903
>How do we red-pill someone
Ask yourself; how did you get here, how did you get on the path to becoming red-pilled? You sought out the truth about the world around you, you did it yourself. Nobody convinced you to do it.

That might be the hardest pill to swallow, we can't convince people who just don't care about the truth with authentic information, we can only hope that the ones who do care about the truth find their way here.

if white people band together, there will be nazis among them guaranteed
and the left will use those few nazis as an excuse to prosecute the entire group, nazi or not, because that's the game they've been playing for the past 30 years

you can't just run right into their hands like that

now if some well adjusted people got smart and worked towards revealing the identity politics of the left as the murderous ideology that it is, then that would actually work wonders on the people of America
running around with nazi flags, that just makes them say "oh hey, look, nazi's, antifa must be the good guys then" and can you really blame them for that?


that's what I think he's trying to say

>>138046808
Problem is once the social technology that maintains things from the "bottom-up" goes, its very hard to get it back. The Anglo-Saxon patrimony developed over centuries and we burned through it in an eyeblink

>>138038345
>if you let your enemies win, you win
are an undercover leaf wtf?

>>138040977
>and not being afraid to voice our opinions in public

But don't voice any opinions that are poitically incorrect. You don't want to be called a nazi. Do you goy?

>>138036529
> “When we move to the arena of violence, the most brutal guys win – and that’s not us,” - Noam Chomsky

How about instead of all that nonsense, we allow them to tell us where they're vulnerable themselves.

No Jordan you faggot, whites have been playing the individualist game for decades and all we've done is lose.

Everyone competes for their own interests except white folks.

Peterson is absolutely right that you need to sort yourself out. Most people on here even though they have a job, a girlfriend, and pay their bills still aren't completely organized. How can you expect to stand up against all these maniacs if your don't have your life figured out. If you have your life figured out then maybe that part of his message isn't for you, but I think that you can always do better.

With regards to Peterson being against collective ideas, I think he's simply trying to say that we can't fall into the same ideological traps as the Marxists. For example, if you look at the board the threads divide up ideologies: christian general, national socialism general, pagan general, and so on. The Christians only care about other Christians and the Pagans only want to care about other Pagans. Another example of this is how /pol/ is so quick to reject anyone who is on the left simply because they are on the left.

If we want to defeat the marxists we have to stop fighting with each other about each different ideological facet of the right and start measuring people on an individual basis as Peterson says. That's not saying we can't stand unified against people, but using different groups as scapegoats is just resorting to the same types of politics as the left. E.g. you can't just blame the Jews because then you're just playing identity politics.

>>138036529
These radical individuals are out of their mind. What is their obsession with individualism?
How self-centered do people have to be to not value something greater than themselves? I don't really care for myself that much, as long as I have food and shelter I'll be fine. I care about the future. When I was a kid I wished to see people colonize space, I though I would see people land on Mars and set up a base on the Moon in my lifetime. Instead we get our countries flooded with niggers and it is extremely obvious that we will never go to space ever again. Maybe Japan or South Korea will send people to Mars, maybe they can colonize space, but they are not us. That's ''identity politics''.
What a sad fucking life these radical individualists must have when they have no aspirations for their people and no attachment to their race.

>>138047391
We need to recruit fashionable people to adopt pro-white viewpoints. Fashionable people follow power. Our enemy has much more power than us. There is no real reason to think that muh masses and muh democracy is going to suddenly bestow on us power, no matter how transparently useless the current regime becomes.

This about summarizes the current predicament.

>>138036529
>don't play identity politcs
his whole side has been using this strategy for the past 40 years and they lost any control of academia
right now he is hanging on by a thread and regularly uninvited or banned from educational institutions

>>138047720
I will not stop fighting on pol if Natsocs and Nazis are around. Total non starter for me.

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>>138047268
>Oh really? Then why is antifa majority white?
Because they stick to ideology of ethnic masochism that has been taught to them at schools. Other races prefer to be in their own identitarian groups than with other whites as united force.
>Whites dont vote as a collective
Because they have been conditioned to not "see" race and vote for the interests of "everybody" (mostly non-whites). This is obviously changing. This phenomena happens everywhere where there is possibility to make minority parties and minorities can vote.

>>138041810

This

>>138042054
>Still like him though.

You should only use forgiveness for those close to you. Not for some internet professor.

>>138044346
Another faggot that advocates replacing religion with the state. When did it ever go well? States change their minds on a whim of a tyrant, religious values are essentially unchangeable by comparison. If you're willing to treat another fallible human being (and since it's going to be a politician, probably a shit human being) like a god, suit yourself. I'm not falling for that crap, it's no different than marxism.

Individualism doesn't lead to purposelessness when combined with traditional christian values (christianity is literally the most individual-oriented major religion).

I'm not sure whether Peterson is right about removing the marxists peacefully. I think a purge would be way better. But at least he's identifying the problem correctly.

>>138046965
Identity politics is retarded. Why on earth would a conservative adopt leftist groupthink?

I swear to god at this point it is 100% confirmed that all nazis are feds and leftists pretending to be right wing.

>>138047017
/pol/ isnt retarded, it's schizophrenic, immature at best

>>138041810
Haha yep this. He is a fucking fraud who just wants the 90s back ignorant that the 90s laid the foundation for where we are. Ive never understood the appeal of this liberal boomer faggot. If you need an eceleb to tell you to clean your room you should honestly kill yourself in real life

>>138047985

good plan pls let the media define what constitutes a nazi

>>138047720
>Peterson is absolutely right
>we can't be collectivists
>but we all need to abandon our individual identity and band together as a unified collective
What the fuck?

>>138047391
Yes, the average /pol/ user has to understand that not everybody will be bound to an ideology but they will, either run from the one the looks the most ridiculous and awful or go towards the one that makes the opposing one look worse.
There will still and always be normies that will disavow the most violent part, eg. The National Socialist party didn't get it's support because of it's appealing policies necessarily but because the communists were violent as fuck in Weimar. Charlottesville was a fail, the alt-right and Spencer are now not only seen as more violent but as losers who took tiki torches, white shirts, and khaki pants, how can you turn this now into a good appealing thing, especially after Antifa were disadvantaged initially?

>>138047863
At least he isn't playing identity politics :^)

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>>138047291
The 2-party system was Trump's saving grace to be pitted against a candidate as unlikable as Hillary Clinton. In any proportional or more democratic system, he'd have been crushed.

He's going to lose the next election; that's a foregone conclusion at this point. It's just unfortunate that the choice literally has to be with a fascist sympathizing crackpot and anyone else.

>>138047133
>leaf
Well, it's better than being called a larping cuck.

>>138048241
Wtf i LOVE being a minority in my own homeland now thanks for your wisdom you schizo coward faggot

>>138047654
>No Jordan you faggot, whites have been playing the individualist game for decades and all we've done is lose
You lose because you're dumb. The answers are simple. Attack welfare and affirmative action amd the colleges you will win. Things been going the right direction then you retards started protesting amd became nazis. You will never have your ethno state, its not possible. So stick to the information battle because you own the net. If you continue down your path you will fail and then you will not even own that.

>>138048002
The real reason antifa is majorly white is because they're all college students. All the antifa leaders are jewish or asian professors.
Colleges are where all these people are brainwashed and recruited. Every time an antifa member gets doxed they turn out to be a college student or a college professors. Every single time.
That is why most of them are white or asian. Niggers can't get into college.

>>138048565
If leftwing groupthink will save your culture, what was your culture?

>>138036529
Peterson fears (rightly) what is coming and is really just advocating that white men step up and try to keep our current crumbling afloat. It's a path to white genocide. If you're not advocating for white identity and European ethnic traditions/values, you are now helping those who are anti-white.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qgYtFZPusRo

>Trump didn't win because of identity politics

He was discernibly the white interest vote.

>the game that we've been playing until recently--individualism--has nearly resulted in the extinction of the white race
>keep playing the same game, goin
(((Peterson))) confirmed kike

>>138048002
I disagree. Not all whites are self defeating masochists. But many of them are because they've fallen into a collective mindset.
There are too many of us to be able to identify or motivate ourselves or our initiatives by race. The reason minorities are able to do it is because there are few enough of them to have done it and they've been living in echo chambers for decades if not longer. Even the minority collective factions can't agree on anything.
The average American (who overwhelmingly voted Trump) wants a good job and food for their family and not to be looked upon as the enemy simply because they are white. They don't care if it's in a white ethno state or not. Securing a future for white children won't happen by creating a white paradise. It will happen by cleaning our shit up individually and letting the collectivist retards show themselves for what they are.

>>138048214
>Individualism doesn't lead to purposelessness
We do not have a hyper individualism problem. We have a hyper group think problem. To many groups running around. Its like there are a billion communists groups all creating their own narrative

>>138048815
*goyim
my phone also confirmed Jew

>>138048722
crumbling structure*

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>>138037870

True, but individual virtue makes you take responsibility for your community. Individual virtue is continuing the great sacrifices of your forefathers. What he warns against is letting a group identity or political program absolve you of your personal responsibility

>>138048361
Fuck off Nazi

>>138036529
>play the individualist game
that'd be nice, but you still get called a nazi fascist if you don't support the group think

>>138048549
>H-he's g-g-going to lose the n-n-n-next election; that's a f-f-foregone conclusion at this point!

>>138048361

I'm saying a lot of pol wants very similar things, but they're unwilling to look past differences in their various factions and end up bickering with each other because X person doesn't hate the jews enough.

A national socialist government is not going to happen buddy, but if you want to be a national socialist then you're going to have to figure out how to behave so that people don't hang you too when they start hanging authoritarians.

>>138048691
Hmm, you seem like fun. I'm actually a freemason and I love trolling neo nazis by telling them about secret plots to take over America.

>>138049042
>that'd be nice, but you still get called a nazi fascist if you don't support the group think
Why do you care if you are called a Nazi if you aren't

>>138049072
>Being this desperate

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>>138048983
Hi Bjorn.

>>138048714

all culture is groupthink

not all groupthink is leftist

do you believe that the crusaders were individualists? are you retarded?

>>138049309
Because I like having a stable income and a collection of friends. That isn't just calling someone a poopie head. Nazi/racist accusations have real consequences

>>138049309

separate issue, but I think that everyone getting labeled as a racist / nazi empowers the rightwing cause by normalizing the speech to the point where it can be more easily accepted and thus allows people to more easily adopt far right extremist behaviours.

>>138045960
Peterson is telling you to bring a pea shooter to a railgun fight
Individuals can't compete against collectives, from Rome to Arabia, history has shown it time and again, and it will do the same

>>138049092
You keep contradicting yourself like a low IQ retard.
You're still pushing your crap about how collectivism is bad, so we all need to be collectivists because collectivism is bad.
Now you're talking about how the ''authoritarians'' are going to be hanged. Guess they will have to hang themselves too, since only an authoritarian would hang someone who has different political opinions.

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>>138047000

He does want money

He's making a new university for classical education without postmodernism and 'cultural marxism' whatever that means.

That's fine by me. People should have a right to know what they're getting into when they sign up for a course.

>>138048241
sure. a true meritocracy would be better.
we can think about having that once everyone else drops identity politics.
good luck convincing everyone but whites to do that

>>138049411
Nice way to try to pretend the context isn't specifically identity politics which is 100% leftwing retardation.

Why don't you go buy a "bomb" from a fed so we don't have to put up with your retardation any longer?

>>138036529
why should I care what this (((psychiatrist))) thinks?

>>138049309
>Why do you care if you are called a Nazi if you aren't
I hate this, it's the same argument leftist use every time, it's on the same grounds as
>IF you haven't done anything wrong, why do you fear being investigated? Why don't you let cops search your house?
There's something called defamation and it's so easy to say, well just brush it off, but you can't do it without being squeaky clean at that point, and in their view that would actually mean being far left.

>>138036529
This is exactly what I've been saying. You have to be better than your opposition, not just troll them.

>>138045773
Couldn't agree more with this post.

> It seems like the most logical decision would be to cut bait, separate the clannish whites from the universalists, and say hey, its been nice, see you around. But universalists are not about to let their favorite victim off the hook.

I think the EU, and the USA, and to a much lesser extent Canada, have all gotten too big. If political polarization continues we may see some form of balkanization go on. Ethnostates, multicult city-states, etc.

>>138049526

No, I'm saying that your single faction is too ideologically single-minded to accomplish anything. Most normie right wingers hate nazism as much as the left does and they're just as prepared to get rid of you as the left is.

If you're too ideologically bound then you won't be able to compete at all with anyone on any level.

>>138048714
What the fuck do you think culture is if not the collective consciousness of a people? Are you retarded dude?

>>138036529
Love it- great guy

>>138036529
This leaf faggot still hasn't read Mussolini.

>>138049650

"identity politics which is 100% leftwing" is an absurd, ahistorical claim

All politics is identity politics, the only ones wanting to pretend otherwise are retarded libertarians that have never governed a country. Under their argument, all politics would be left'wing, and right wing politics would not exist in the real world

What Le Pen was selling in 2002 in France was french identity politics.

What Haider was selling in 2001 in Austria was identity politics.

what the BNP was selling in 2009 was identity politics.

The war against the french and the indians in 1753 was identity politics

Jim Crow was identity politics

>>138049650
How fucking dumb are you? Don't you realize the only reason why the left is involved with identity politics at all is because they fucking reject it? They are anti-racialists, they only support BLM because they believe blacks are the victims of racism or in other words, identity politics.

They reject all notions of race and that's why they oppose those who acknowledge the validity of race. The left does not embrace identity politics, they violently oppose it.

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>>138049910
>the opposition attacks us as a group
>but we shouldn't fight back as a group because then we'd be just as bad as them

>>138048691
Well this is where they learn to be anti-white, but even "educated" niggers won't join them because they rather be in BLM
>>138048886
>I disagree. Not all whites are self defeating masochists
Never said that you fucking retard
>But many of them are because they've fallen into a collective mindset.
Its exactly the opposite they are too individualistic, they don't care about about anything other than the "other"
>The average American (who overwhelmingly voted Trump) wants a good job and food for their family and not to be looked upon as the enemy simply because they are white
This is wrong, there was a study that said other than party loyalty and some other shit I don't remember, the most deciding factor as to why people voted for Trump was because they did not feel like their country was theirs anymore and you well fucking know what that actually means. Don't fucking try to wiggle out of it, its fucking race and you know it.

>>138049910
Peterson wants a peaceful solution to our dilemma, which mainly means we as whites go quietly into minority status and pray that we civilize the third worlders who replace us just enough to keep things running when we're gone.

>>138050212
All politics is identity politics i honestly dont see how you can be so historically ignorant as to not see this. POLIS is where Politic comes from. The city and its citizens who were defined by the politics literally how retarded you gotta be

>>138048886
https://www.prri.org/research/white-working-class-attitudes-economy-trade-immigration-election-donald-trump/
Eat it dumb cuck

>>138050042
Manage your ADD and stay focused kid, we're talking about identity politics. OK? Don't pull a leftist motte-and-bailey argument just because you've become a victim of your own propaganda.

White culture of liberalism has not been about white supremacy at any point, and was also not even about white nationalism. It's true that most of the US wanted the US to be white but this was because anglo whites fought long and hard to create the liberal society that was the US and didn't think people who weren't part of that struggle could ever understand it, and as we see by looking around they were 100% correct.

Unfortunately that also includes many people on /pol/ who have fallen prey to marxist memes and think we have to engage in leftist ideology to fight leftists ideology.

Could you imagine if a US president said we have to be communist to fight communists?

>>138037870
Good. Be an unthinking goy. Listen to your jew...eh, white nationalist masters.

>Sort my life out? Become a powerful individual? Lol fuck that, that's gay! WHITE PRIDE!!!

Jesus Christ /pol/

>>138037870
>extreme individualism is to blame
>not jews infiltrating power positions in every part of society
good goy

>>138050212
>All politics is identity politics
obviously a leftwing shill here larping as a right winger

this was fun for the last few years but it's gotten serious now and I will not let it stand without calling it out

you're a fake

>>138050604
>White culture of liberalism has not been about white supremacy at any point
This is the most retarded string of words ive read on /pol/ in months. Liberalism is not white culture. White supremacy is literally written in our founding documents. You're too stupid to live

>>138050688

be an individualist and watch your daughters be raped by Mohammed

But at least you are "better than them", whatever the fuck that means

>>138050293
>but we shouldn't fight back as a group because then we'd be just as bad as them
you fucks are exactly like that girlfriend that picks up fights with random people the bar and because of her, i have to get in on the fight I didn't want to start in the first place, but she's my gf so I presumably have to protect the dumb cunt.

>>138050786

dude, the term "identitarianism" was literally invented by european right wingers in the 90s

You are badly deluded

>>138050743
Jewish intellectuals literally are behind individualistic doctrines i swear to god i am arguing with people who have never read a book before. Jesus Christ how this board has fallen to double digit IQ

>>138050494
We should out fuck them. Pretty fucking simple. All these foreigners coming here hang around in large groups of men for a reason.

There's not a whole lot of insight here, is there?

>>138050932

what an absurd analogy

Your girlfriend is not picking random fights

Ahmed is literally trying to rape her and you wont defend her because you are an "individual independent from her"

You are insane

>>138051022
did the jews write the bill of rights and the constitution?

>>138050494
What do you suggest we do instead? Overthrow da gubbermint and gas da joos?

>>138041790
> Stands up for my beliefs
> wtf!!! I got no job now
> wtf!!! I'm a pariah
> wtf!!! I'm getting death threats
> wtf!!! My life is ruined

"Speak the truth lmao"

>>138051013
Continental eurotrash is the exact fucking reason USA is awesome and Europe sucks. And mass eurotrash immigration starting in the 1850s is what led us to WWI which of course led to Jews seizing control of everything culminating in WWII and LITERALLY EVERYTHING WRONG WITH WORLD POLITICS TODAY

I cannot fucking WAIT for europe to be wiped out by niggers and muslims. I'm so fucking sick of Eurotrash pretending to give a shit about anything. Fuck the fuck off. Get nuked.

>>138050862
Nice argument. Do you even know what individualism means? All these retards frightened of a few mo's are hell bent on throwing the baby out with the bathwater. Hearing an ancap argue against individualism is pretty astounding. I'm assuming that flag is just a larp?

>>138037870
This.

>>138051022
Are you talking about cultural marxism that was debunked decades ago? Or some other brand of the same conspiracy theory that's floated around for the past century?

I know it's changed considerably when the neo nazis realised they could red pill retards by blaming kids being confused about their genders in a university, feminism or anything they remotely dislike on some unseen entity that used to be explicitly said to be the Jews.

What brand are you?

>>138051372
>Continental eurotrash is the exact fucking reason USA exists
Fixed that for you.

>>138051372

dude, 52 %

Detroit is literally Africa, California is Mexico, step down that high horse

>>138051379
anarchocapitalism is not individualist retardation

ancap only works I make a contract with a corporation in order to defend my stuff from bands of thieves

do you really believe that bands of thieves respect the NAP?

God you are dumb

>>138050862
> "better than them"
Who are you quoting here?

>>138036529
>goyim stop banding together if you do you will lose!!!!!
>the other groups are banding together and winning but no goy dont do what wins
JPB is a pathetic cuck. Deserves the gas chambers for trying to kill whites.

>>138036529
>>don't play their game, you will lose
sure, everyone playing the meritocracy individualistic game in academia/media/entertainment and now in corporations have lost their job their promotion and/or their happiness because the tribalists of identity politics are kicking them out.
Feminists giving speeches to the UN, trannies telling gamers how to be more inclusive, jewtube and kikebook telling you what to watch and what to think.
Just now that people are standing for their identity with pride they have started to brake and slow down.
The new right has just taken the mole's head out of the soil
This is a war and if we have to lose it, i won't go without fighting

>>138036529
You can't win if you can't participate.
Everyone should be treated Equally and be given the proper opportunity to commit terrorist acts regardless of their Race ,creed or Political views.

>>138040150
>"we're all human xD"
It isn't though because they know that a unified white collective is literally impossible to generate shekels from. This isn't about what or who we think we are, this is about whether or not they can continue to get their shekels on schedule and at the cost of a hungry goys.

>>138050576
>https://www.prri.org/research/white-working-class-attitudes-economy-trade-immigration-election-donald-trump/
Note how none of that says "because muh white people"
It only solidifies my point. Demographics does not equate to a collective mindset. It is an after the fact grouping of common individual opinion.

>>138050725
>Sort my life out? Become a powerful individual?
Literally a meme message only losers don't know you should do that

>>138051719
>anarchocapitalism is not individualist retardation
>just do your own thing, bro. Market will sort it
>abstract principles that no one enforces are collectivist
Lol.

>>138041349
Aren't neo reactionaries neo-liberals with stricter govt? That's all I have heard about them

>>138050042
>collective consciousness of a people
Nice word salad you lib art faggot, literally no meaning and totally arbitrary definition

>>138040875
I thought Godel demonstrated that no finite set of axioms could prove all truths of arithmetic? Truth still exists, but we would need an infinite set of axioms to be able to prove all truths

Terrorism is a vital part of our human discourse and it is about time we all had the equality in terror like those Privileged few.

>>138048722
I like the link. Subscribed. I do believe identity politics is simplistic and primitive. People should be judged by their individual merits. Skin color, height, the number of hairs you have on your ass are irrelevant. That said, if the elites and their minions have identified you as part of a group and are actively seeking to destroy that group, including you and yours, there's little option but to defend yourself.

I'm become a reluctant identitarian.

>>138051220
>go larp as tiki torch dad pants nazis
>drive a car into a crowd kill one person
>get attacked on all sides
>fuck, heeelp, we white people need to stick together, Antifa started this
>well you're all nazis now anyway, there's no going back, it's either us or them,
fuck off, if that hypothetical girlfriend wouldn't be a dumb roasties bitch and would actually be worthy of saving i would do it gladly but i'd rather dump a problem causing bitch that'll eventually just end up on the side of the road anyway without me being involved in any way.

>>138036529

That's not a solution at all. If I "make my bed" and no else does I'm still in a world of shit.

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>>138036646
>play the game
>you lose
Fucking Christ.

>>138039555
This.

>>138050405
>"Because they stick to ideology of ethnic masochism that has been taught to them at schools. Other races prefer to be in their own identitarian groups than with other whites as united force."
It's exactly what you said.
>"you well fucking know what that actually means."
That's an implication, not a fact

>>138052105
>Fears about cultural displacement. White working-class voters who say they often feel like a stranger in their own land and who believe the U.S. needs protecting against foreign influence were 3.5 times more likely to favor Trump than those who did not share these concerns.
What in the fuck do you think this means? Use your head instead of your asshole for a second of your life...
>>138041790
Then where are you? Why are you not talking about things that matter in public? Scared for your life or something? You are not a loser like people here right?

>>138040977
Ahahhaa this is why Buddhism never worked good ideology but sitting around doing nothing. The. The Christian's came in and told them converted or die. What do you think happened?

>>138052403
The people around you will be better.

Start thinking small, if you are a deadbeat father, what'll happen to your son? Wouldn't he be better if you were?

>>138050725
>Sort my life out? Become a powerful individual?
Even the most powerful individual is powerless against a collective that means business.

A collective will always be stronger than individuals and a fractured nation with nothing but individuals that all seek their own benefit first makes it easy for (((cosmopolitan elements))) and interest groups to undermine it and exploit.

>>138052758
Then the*
Convert*

>>138040977
this results in you being thrown into a mass grave

but hey, at least you led a pious life

well, I'll be in my basement until one of the two groups comes to kill me. my odds of self-sufficiency are poor. see you, space cowboy.

>>138052574
>What in the fuck do you think this means? Use your head instead of your asshole for a second of your life...
That looks more to me to relate to the natural tribl nature of humans. Not because "i'm white" etc. Cubans voted Trump for the same reasons, Replacing a nations work force with foreigners for less pay is a detriment to any economy. Better to reference a study that asks why any American voted Trump. I am sure you will see the same. Better opportunity for individuals and their families as opposed to collective reasoning to fall under a totalitarian dictatorship. Individual choice is the real bottom line.

>>138052476
The question was specifically "why is antifa white". Not about whites in general... Learn to read your own language
>That's an implication, not a fact
So what do you think that the two facts that bunch of shitskins come from south of USA replace white people and whites feel like its not their own country anymore is not connected somehow? How intellectually dishonest are you? Are you willing to lie this fucking hard saying that you don't notice the pattern?

>>138037870
https://youtu.be/LEpRNwACHvA

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>>138036529
I have 2 main problems with JBP
He is a strong advocate for (((Christian ideals))), which are basically Jewish at its core.
He is a strong advocate for (((Liberal Democracy))) and is bluepilled on the necessity of Fascism.
He is and seemingly always will be a pet for Kekistanti autists and their "muh based niggers" ideology.

why is everyone posting about how individuals can't ally with others for collective action? holy shit, you people are simple-minded.

>>138050036
Don't think too hard, retard, you'll hurt your brain.
You don't know anything about my ideology, no more than I know your age, gender, your height, race and how much money you make. I could make a guess based on your retarded flag and statistics about ''Bonaire'', but I don't want to. I don't know anything about you, you don't know anything about me.
What the fuck happened to responding to the content of posts instead of some hallucination in your own head?
Hallucinate less and respond to the content of people's posts more.

Funny how people obsessed with individualism like boxing complete strangers into collective groups and then presume their entire world view over some 16x11 flags.

>>138039248
The author of the Gulag archipelago did it. (can't spell his fucking name) defeated millions of men through perseverance and dedication

>>138036529
there's a benefit to a white ethnostate. there's no benefit whatsoever to replace the most productive, thoughtful race in history with anything else. (((skeptics))) have no way to refute this and pretend that identity politics is somehow evil instead

>>138052758
>The Christian's came in and told them converted or die
sure just ignore the decades to centuries of Christians begins enslaved and killed but stuck to their faiths. Constantine I did help with the cause but it was more than just a strong leader to impose Christianity that kept it afloat.

>>138053644
being enslaved*

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>>138039650
>is that the majority of people are not individuals, they're herd animals who's only strength is by banding together.
It's true. We're the de facto leaders now because those in power are in fact slavemasters who are leading us all over a cliff. It's up to us to take charge by getting our shit together so we can safely and properly herd the sheep. This is how society is supposed to operate, the smartest lead and the dumb dumbs follow, but in our sick society its the smartest yet most opportunistic who are in charge, and they need to be stopped.

Most people are too dull and distracted to study these issues and come to the right conclusions. It's just won't happen if you leave it to individuals, and Dr. Peterson of all people should know this, considering how much he talks about IQ. Pic related.

>>138053306
Why are individualists talking about people who ally with other individuals for collective action are all ''collectivists''?
Talk about simple minded.

Does any retard actually believe that identitarians aren't individuals?

>>138036529

>implying both are mutually exclusive.

How about he addresses "white identity politics" on the merits of their ideas instead of using some lame platitudes

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>>138053167
>That looks more to me to relate to the natural tribl nature of humans. Not because "i'm white" etc
What the fuck do you think "white nationalism" is other than tribalism? You do realize that most white Americans don't really identify that much with Europe.
The only reason Cubans voted for Trump is because muh Castro. Second generation Cubans lean more to the democrats. I also like that you picked Cubans and ignored every other non-white group because you would have even less to stand upon... We already fucking know this. Stop your mental gymnastics and face the fucking facts of how shit really works, then maybe you can stop losing as a country.
>Better to reference a study that asks why any American voted Trump
Ah I understand, you don't like the result so you deny the facts, clever.
>>138045016
Again look at this

>>138041700

You can't single handidly control civilization.

You can single handidly sort yourself out.

Put your energy into something you can control.

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>>138053290
>(((Christian ideals))), which are basically Jewish at its core.

>>138039314
*respectfully

>>138053244
>The question was specifically "why is antifa white". Not about whites in general... Learn to read your own language
There were plenty of points to address, how was I supposed to know which you were referring to?
>So what do you think that the two facts that bunch of shitskins come from south of USA replace white people and whites feel like its not their own country anymore is not connected somehow? How intellectually dishonest are you? Are you willing to lie this fucking hard saying that you don't notice the pattern?
Not whites, Americans. Lots of legal immigrants feel the same way. Besides, identifying yourself as white and not loving the idea that you are being treated as the enemy because of it isn't a collective thing. There are too many of us and way too many points of view for that to be valid. I'm glad to be and very proud of the fact that I'm white and of my lineage. Doesn't mean that I vote based on the fact that I'm white or should team up against anyone who isn't. Lot's of whites have lots of similar sentiments. Lots of blacks commit crimes. There's definitely proven differences based on DNA and ethnicity. Never denied that. My point is that creating a collective movement based around it only serves the purpose of creating more enemies and alienating people that would be on our side otherwise. That includes among our own. Racial collectives are designed for the enemy.

>>138053469
what

if anything that book shows how the mindless horde will put millions of individuals into their graves

>>138044481
This, the family stands TOGETHER

>>138054293
The implication that everyone on your side needs to ''sort themselves'' out is insulting to your side and to yourself.
How about YOU sort yourself out and stop projecting your flaws onto people who vaguely agree with you on some topics.

>>138054095
No denial or mental gymnastics involved. What I'm saying and you fail to recognize is that the right side of things does so because it's right. It's human nature to do what is morally correct. The cubans are a great example because they are actually among the few who haven't collectivized into some retarded commie faction. There are others. Trump picked up more blacks in this election than Romney. asking a bunch of unrelated individual whites why they voted a certain way and then creating a collective out of that is a nonargument.