lefty/pol/ thread! All Marxists, Anarchists, Socialists: report in!

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>>138030582
Reporting for doody

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>>138030582

what purpose do you have supporting this ideology? i mean im asking if you're white, if you're a nigger or some other type of subhuman you don't need to answer, all is understood

>>138030582
Get out of here ya pinhead commie-drone
Have Sex
Turn 18
Draw Dimes
HIt the SHowers
Gain Height
Seek Sunlight
Get a Clue ya mark

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Reporting in comrades!

Post your lefty memes ITT

>>138030582
Question for my marxist brothers: if during Tolerance Enforcement I come across cute kulack girl, do I have to kill her after rape or Marxism permits to leave them alive if sterilized as exception for being good slave?

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>>138030865
Whatever you want comrade

>>138030582
GET THIS COMMIE SHIT OUT OF HERE.

YOU ARE PART OF THE PROBLEM

there is a reason why /leftypol/ has it's own board,so go there.

>>138030768
How do you explain away the fundamentally parasitic relationship between capital and labor?

If a boss hires me as a waged employee to his firm, how does that boss profit unless he pays me less than the value my labor generates for the firm?

>>138030582
>>138030840
>>138030865
Finna SEETHING

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>>138030768
Because there is no room in the future for both capitalism and for the white race.

>>138030582
Alt left pol

Unironic democratic socialist here hey guys

>>138030827
You first Mr. projecter who has to hide behind his race to make up for lack of individual achievement.

>>138030937
lol no.

I'm going to keep making leftist threads here and you're going to keep reading them. I'm literally cucking you in real time right now. Eat my shit you fucking queer lmao.

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Daily reminder

>>138030994
No room?
Be tolerant and sharing- make some room.

Any Alt left comrades here want to suck the farts out of my black ass just like Stalin used to do?

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REPORTING FOR DUTY, MY FELLOW DIVINE INTELLECTUALS!

What's up? What you guys wanna do? Wanna read some books??? Haha, I bet that's something none of these fashies have ever done amirite?

>>138031079
WORKED.
Ya ding dong diddly worked yourself into a shoot
ya Commie-drone

>>138031124
>Be tolerant and sharing- make some room.
Tolerance is bourgeois.

>>138030957
Why should they hire you if hire you if they don't get something out of it?

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Alt-right fashion

Steal the look

>>138030957
because his profit doesn't depend on you, you are expendable

>>138030994
not in this day and age

guys our local branch leader is fucking HOT but i don't want to look like a masochist. I bought her free trade coffee and cleaned her kitchen for her but I don't know what to do next? I really REALLY want to have sex with her but I don't think she likes me. Please help.

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>>138030937
Communism is the most politically incorrect ideology so technically this is OUR board you neoliberal subhuman

>>138030582
sieg heil! For the fatherland!

>>138030840
> xDXD
shut the fuck up m8
fucking cringe

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>>138031022

>>138031160
>haha buying food and EATING it, hypocritical much??

>>138030957
If you could sell your labor directly for that same price, you would do it. And indeed capitalism promotes such one-man workshops whereever possible while communism prohibits it and turns into capital crime.
But obviously you can't -- you lack organisational talent, you lack means of production, you lack funds needed to promote your work, you lack social connections to sell your work, you lack creativity to come up with good ideas of work that could be done.
Boss does this all for you, working harder than you in many different meanings, and shouldering all the risk on himself. Its only natural that he earns more.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u8LnlzQyVJg

>>138031166
You're not borgy?

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>>138030582

Can someone explain to me why anarchists (who detest all government) are aligned with communists (the epitome of government control )

Has the Overton window shifted our collective unconscious beyond mental illness?

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>>138031295
I do that all the time!

>>138031167
Well exactly. Why should somebody hire me? Why should somebody hire anyone? Why don't we just do it?

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communism is for retarded 12 year olds

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Lets discuss our roles after the revolution comrades

I will be overseer of memetic warfare strategy

>>138031213
>because his profit doesn't depend on you
Why would he hire anyone in the first place then?
It's pretty clear that capital needs labor more than we need capital.

>>138031213
>not in this day and age
>literally "IT'S THE CURRENT YEAR"
Capital as always will seek to expand itself as it by design. It will naturally try to be as inclusive as possible insofar as it poses no threat to capital as that creates the biggest, most lucrative markets possible.

More immigrant wage-slaves=more profits
More faggot propaganda=more profits
More hedonistic degeneracy=more profits.

>because his profit doesn't depend on you, you are expendable
No, but it does depend on all of us as the proletariat. We do all the work, and we could continue doing so without the bourgeoisie.

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>>138031383
>posts a meme only a 12 year old would laugh at

Made me think.

>>138031351
No.

Anarchists are not leftists.

Anarchists are not your Allies.

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Mask up fellow alt lefters lets bash some fash

>>138031440
You will likely rather be a designated emergency ration for when food inevitably runs out. Better bulk up so you can serve your country when the time comes to feed the people with your flesh.

>>138031519
Why not? No ambition?

H*ck yea bash the fash, down with capitalism!
-Posted from my iPhone 7

>>138031378
>Why don't we just do it?
Because you can't afford the tools... and he'd rather spend his money on hookers instead of tools.

>>138031363
Read the communist manifesto you ignorant fuck, marx wanted to get rid of the state

there is nothing so deviously degenerate and bitter towards an independent thinking individual as a communist/socialist.

Socialists are parasites on humanity

PLEASE HELP I WANT TO HAVE SEX

>>138031079
>Unironic democratic socialist here hey guys
Same. Though sometimes I pretend to be a stalinist here just for fun

>>138031536
Ancaps are neoliberals larping as anarchists. You are irrrelevant

>>138031363
It's about smashing the current state which we are unified in our goals

>>138031363
>communists (the epitome of government control )

>socialism is like, when the government does stuff

READ A BOOK
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A
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A

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>>138030582
Can someone explain communism to me?

>>138030582
Get F'D Alt-Left

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>>138030582
teh sturgle kep on !

>>138031588
Because I want to be a professor of philosophy instead.

>>138031695
I larp as everything you learn a lot of things from it

>>138031657
>t. trust fund baby who lives off rent income

kys yourself

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>>138031715

>>138031715
Yes we are a bunch of lazy neets that think we are entitled to what other people have worked for

>>138031468
as >>138031327
said, if you could sell the product you create on your own, you would, otherwise it's YOU who depends on your boss, because he can sell the product and you can't, you can only contribute in creating it

it's a combined effort, the higher the risk, the higher the brainpower needed, the higher you are in the hierarchy and the bigger the share of the profit will be

If you're a tankie unironically kill yourself

I love my wife's new boyfriend's cock in my mouth at night

>>138031378
Because we would still be cavemen and you would have to spend all your time and effort on barely staying alive.
With different people performing different services for each other it allows a complex society to develop and thrive

>>138031751
>kys yourself

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>>138031440
"I will be overseer of memetic warfare strategy"
>mfw all the stupid nu-commies kill each other competing for this job so they don't have to do shit

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>>138031752
>>138031784
>tfw meme answers
Guess I'll have to read a book or something

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>communism doesn't wo-

EXPLAIN THIS THEN PORKY FAGGOTS. HOW DID THE POOREST EUROPEAN COUNTRY BECOME A SUPERPOWER THAT WAS FIRST IN SPACE IN JUST 40 YEARS OF COMMUNISM?

>>138031826
Congratulations.

>>138031440
You'll be hanged on street lamps once civil war breaks out, so your strategy should be to kill yourself before you get mutilated

>>138031805
>otherwise it's YOU who depends on your boss
On that instance you're not dependent on the boss at all, you're dependent on "his" means of production.

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>>138031715
No Freedums
No Foods
Much Benis

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>""""Anarchists""""
>Want totalitarian state
Ancoms are literally this retarded

I remember when I was 15

>>138031697
We are the true source of America and you Commies will never replace us.

We will use the Fascists to stomp your skulls in.

>>138031907
By turning entire population into starving cattle with no rights.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Novocherkassk_massacre

>>138031926
yes

>>138031363
They aren't, it is just that right now they are in a state of non-opposition because they are both being BTFO so hard by the right.

If they ever gain influence what will happen will be the same thing that has happened all throughout the history of the left, the anarchists and the authoritarian leftists will cannibalize each other, the authoritarians will win, and then 1984 happens.

>>138031605
Which is why we just take it.

>b-but that's against muh NAP
suck my cock loser

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>>138031978
>We are the true source of America
Really tickles my elmo.

>>138031809
>t. ancom

Anarchists are the ancaps of marxism. die you fucking autistic contrarian kiddies

>>138031907
the Soviet Union wasn't real communism. Russia was never capitalist so the Soviet Union couldn't be socialist or communist

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>>138031969
last year?

>>138031965
read a book other than atlas shrugged you vegetable

>>138032038
And enter, communism. We do not agree with property as a concept.

>>138031926
Look at IT companies. There's no "means of production", every software engineer owns personal computer. But he can't earn money w/out his boss' help, because his programming skills mean nothing w/out organisational and commercial talent of his boss.

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>>138030582
Communism is shit.

>>138031978
>America is somehow ancap

top kek

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>It's another /leftypol/ raid

Don't you losers ever get tired of being ineffective?

>>138031907
They industrialized during that same time, don't attribute it to communism.

Correlation=/=Causation

>>138031715
The same liberties that bourgeois liberal democracy promises you, but applied to society as a whole rather than once every election cycle

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>>138032164

Dang I wish I was an alpha alt-right fascist!

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>>138030582
Begone commie

>>138032176
>They industrialized during that same time, don't attribute it to communism.
It literally was because of Stalins policies that they industrialised

>>138032176
Funny how correlation doesnt equal causation when its communisms success. But of course Britain and France industry was all thanks to capitalism right?

The cog-dis is unreal

kys peanut brain

>>138032106
>read a book
Every commie chants this when getting BTFO, why is that? If you've read such great literature advocating communism, then you should know the arguements for communism and should be able to present them to me instead of saying "read a book" so you can get off easy.

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>>138030582
I bought Sonic Mania, am i a commie yet?

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>>138030582

You commies would be a lot more convincing if you dropped the PC, genderqueer, 'whites must be destroyed' bullshit. The economic arguments are credible but they get drowned out by that postmodernist New Left garbage you guys can't seem to give up.

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>>138032243
berry gud gomrad :D

>>138031805
>because he can sell the product and you can't
>sell the product
You're in way over your head nibba.
It's not rocket surgery. We shoot the boss and we make the product ourselves. Then we don't sell it. That's all there is to it.

>>138032158
>But he can't earn money w/out his boss' help
Only he can. In fact IT is probably the easiest field to join or create a democratic workforce.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AsNF7dzy3cs

>>138032061
DUDE GULAGS WERE NORMAL PRISONS LMAO
DUDE KULAKS DESERVED IT LMAO
DUDE STALIN IS LE BASED LMAO

>>138032046
>Which is why we just take it.

But if you take it, nobody will buy them anymore.
People will only buy things you can't take... And if you buy them, other people will take them from you.

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>>138030582
If you aren't a Maoist third worldist get out.

>>138032340
Nice strawman, you drooling retard. I never once mentioned France or Britain. Try arguing without fallacies.

>>138031907
simple, you just are an Idiot who cant read statistics
lets say russia has ONE Factory that is 100%
they get another one, now they have a 100% increase of Output
now they have two factories, that is 100% now
they get another one, that is just 33% increase of Output because 100% / 3 is 33,-%
got that ?
All other countries had a higher industry at that Point, russkies built a load of new factories after having NONE (remember they had to buy guns for WW1 wherever they could) that way These Procentual numbers look really neat, but they are Castles in the sky in reality. But idiots who dont know statistics and real economy fall for that shit all the time
saged

>>138032359
>You commies would be a lot more convincing if you dropped the PC, genderqueer, 'whites must be destroyed' bullshit
We don't do that though

>>138032369
>Then we don't sell it
what do we do with it?

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>>138031884
>Telling me the truth anons is not enough. I need to read books rather than ask for the shortest possible answer to my question.
So you ask for someone to outline what something as complex and has such a long history as Communist but do not want to short answers. I guess you just want to have someone copy The Communist Manifesto line by line so your lazy faggot ass did not have to look it up yourself.

Go take a very long swim into the Mediterranean.

>>138031978
Nobody gives a shit about your spooks like history dude. America is going to be majority minority and they will vote for socialism and communist revolution because the youth aren't brainwashed by red scare/white supremacist nationalist tactics anymore.

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Well hello kikes.

Remember faggots, you goys can't meme for shit.

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>>138032237
Bruh, stop trying to meme us into submission. It's not working

You're not even being annoying, much less offensive. You're just making me cringe at how clueless you are

>>138032381
Nope. You can't find any commie IT products, everything worthy of mention was made by typical capitalist company, with boss and investors taking all profits and engineers getting wages.

>>138032359
You're confusing dialectical Marxist Leninist chads with radical liberal virgins

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>>138032422
fuck off revisionist

>>138032359
>whites must be destroyed
this alone is what drove me to the far right

as long as i am threatened i will only support politics that deal with this threat, everything else is irrelevant

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>>138032237
>>138032340
>>138032292
>>138032163
>>138032106
>>138032046
CRINGE
DIng dong diddly SEETHING
Communism Never Drew a dime.
It is the Biggest Anti-Draw political system

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Mental illness thread???

>>138032473
To each according to his ability, to each according to his need

In other words, we make as many products as society requires and not one product more. We use the extra time to read or vacation with our families or watch anime

>>138032502
Then why do leftist meme pages on facebook have millions of likes and you have 30,000 boomers and neckbeards sharing your shit?

>>138031907
Horrific explotation of human slaves, robbery of all aristocracy wealth + support of biggest international banks.

>>138032604
>Nazi
>calling anyone mentally ill

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHA

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>>138032604
Is it memeball time?

>>138032508
>commie IT products
GNU/Linux
BSD

Most of the software powering 4chan right now

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I am here my fellow comrades, ready for the alt-left coup

>>138032744
>Christ
Lmao you believe in this dreck? Unironically read a book dude.

>>138032422
I swear to God, of all leftist scum, Maoists are the worst.

Literally THE most deadly, worthless ideology on Earth. China only began recovering after Deng took over.

>>138030582
HOIST THE BANNER OF THE BOER!
CURSE UPON THE SAVAGE HOARDS!
FACE THE WIND AND HAIL THE LORD!

RISE! RISE!
YOU SONS OF OUR SOUTHLAND

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>>138030582
yes, yes, destroy countries with your shit ideology that doesn't work except for entirely post-scarcity, and has failed time and time again

>>138031160
>fellow intellectuals
>marxists, anarchists, socialists
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHHA

>>138031363
it makes no sense

thats why ancoms are the most retarded political group of all

>>138032774
I'd kill a commie for a tootsie roll

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If socialism is so good, then why did the Soviet Union fall apart, and in Venezuela the deficit of toilet paper?

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Yeah this is all wacky and silly ha ha chuckles but let's not forget that you're probably not going to be able to successfully overthrow a western government by militarizing less than 18% of the adult population, especially if you're discussing these things in earshot of the federales (you are).

It was a really funny coincidence that the alphabet boys managed to infiltrate and shut down CPUSA like they're doing with le Aut Right currently. What's to say they're not going to just do that again if it's so simple?

You are the reason for Barcelona. A connection between anti-tourist anarchists and ISIS will be found.

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>>138032508
>You can't find any commie IT products
>mfw
kys, proprietarycuck.

>>138032617
See how well this worked out ?

The immediate cause is that the USSR started importing grain and other agricultural products first from the 3rd world, then from the West (including from the USA). To get the currency to purchase foodstuff it had to sell raw materials, mostly oil. Petroleum prices collapsed in the 80s (the oil glut) and to avoid running out of dollars, the USSR imported less food and consequently either rations were lowered or shortages appeared. See: Foreign trade of the Soviet Union

And what about food production? This is the long term reason for the shortages.

The USSR was horribly inefficient in agriculture. In the 80s it actually performed worse than the Russian empire did in 1913. So it was not able to feed its population, which growed and urbanized over the course of the 20th century.

The reasons for this are:
•State-run farms provided no incentives to farmers to use the land efficiently.
•The small family farm plots that were allowed were too small to sustain such a big population (and often did so illicitly).
•State planning often focused on industrial or cash crops like cotton, rather than food crops.
•Farming was done unsustainably, exhausting soils and even causing dust-bowls

>>138031907
Because the numbers given are a percentage of the output of 1929. So if they produced a 1 ton brick of shit as their yearly output in 1929, their output in 1933 would be a 2.01 ton brick of shit. Way to misrepresent statistics, commie

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>Be a Balkan Commie
>Form a country with it's own version of communism
>get gibs from both sides while flipping Stalin off until he dies
>Becomes the pinnacle of all communist countries and it was far away from real communism
>a country far from real communism is more successfull than a country who was closest to real communism

lmao

>>138032862
>western government by militarizing less than 18% of the adult population,
Not everything has to be a violent revolution burger

>>138032855
that's not real socialism without the toxicity of fascist capitalism creeping in to ruin it all

literally all of it can be blamed on capitalism

If the workers can unite, come together under one flag, stand for their collective interests etc. what stops them from raising funds for their common goals, instead of making demands to some third party (the government or the capitalist)?

>>138032755
Are you idiot?
These products are developed by big corporations. Its cheaper to have universal and open core infrastructure.

>>138032514
Even the anti-revisionist parties in the US that I've seen, like Avakian's, have embraced elements of this stuff. Point me towards a party or group which doesn't?

>>138032994
>what stops them from raising funds for their common goals
All socialist/communist groups do this
>instead of making demands to some third party (the government or the capitalist)?
What are you talking about?

>>138031978
Get it right ancapistani, we stomp their skulls in because we find it funny and then we stomp your skulls in because it's twice the fun.

>>138032617

Wow what an amazing idea!

How could it be that no-one has ever thought of it before?

>>138032755
Voluntary sharing of the results of your labor is purely market-friendly

>>138033027
Tell me, which "big corporation" made GNU?

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>>138032924
And now Russia is the largest exporter of wheat. Because communism is sheeeeeeit.

>>138032855
>did the Soviet Union fall apart

Mate, how old are you? Serious question.

Left behind as always

>>138032468
>>138032514
I used to browse /leftypol/, got banned for shitting on Islam after a terrorist attack despite the fact that everybody shits on Christianity 24/7 without batting an eyelid, you guys are absolute SJWs whether you believe it or not.

>>138032994
Markets are inherently inefficient. If you believe that property and wages are theft, why would you say "let's pool our resources and pay the ransom!" instead of just killing the mafioso cunts trying to extort you?

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>>138032964
>implying your cool internet friends want to go that route as opposed to joining AntiBad and getting in biker gang street fights when they're not too busy shooting smack

yeah bro day of the rope soon fellow baste blackmen #magger

>>138033257
This is why we need a NazBol board on 8ch.

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>>138033208
Thats great, Greetings from Germany Russanon

>>138033257
>I used to browse /leftypol/, got banned for shitting on Islam
People are often critical of Islam over there. I suspect you were blatantly shitposting and an obvious /pol/tard

>>138033109
>All socialist/communist groups do this
They do what? Organize their companies of which they are stockholders? Do charity and volunteering?

>What are you talking about?
Organizing strikes, demanding a centralized state with planned economy

>>138031269
>linux

>>138033208

>And now Russia is the largest exporter of wheat.

Also oil and gas.
Hy a хyлe ждaть oт бeнзoкoлoнки, кoтopaя нихyя cвoeгo cдeлaть нe в cocтoянии, ибo индycтpия ocтaлacь eщё co вpeмён coвкa (пo кpaйнeй мepe, тo, чтo нe пoпилили нa мeтaллoлoм).

ЗATOЭКCПOPИPУEMХЛEБЪ

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>>138033181
All the usual suspects.

>>138030582
Is cripplechan still down? If not fuck off back there.

>>138033365
the moments when the commies describe a capitalism like System as their end Goal are the best

>>138033213
26

>>138033179
>Voluntary sharing of the results of your labor
You literally just rephrased Marx.
The aim of communism is to do away with all socially unnecessary labor time, which is numerous in an economy in which people toil for exchange value.
Digital information is infinitely reproducible so many online labor pooling efforts have already taken on communistic qualities and left the real world in the dust.
Communism is FOSS applied to the physical world.

>>138033441
I am a patron of my local pub with the money I give them.

Now do tell, does this mean it was actually me who makes those pints?

>>138033275
>If you believe that property and wages are theft
That why fundraising exists, dummy. You can donate and become owners of your own property and capital, while sharing the fruits of your labor in a just manner (however you define it)

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hail to our savior lefty poo

>>138031801
>playing AdVenture Captialist
KEK

>>138033426
Этo лyчшe, чeм пpoизвoдить бecпoлeзнoe гoвнo нa cклaд, кoтopыe нe нyжнo дaжe coюзникaм пo OBД. Зaтo индycтpия!!11!!1 Кaк тoлькo цeнa нa нeфть yпaлa, coвoк cpaзy жe нaeбнyлcя.

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>>138030582
You will lose. Leftism can never work.

>>138033581
*That's

>>138030582
SAGE THIS RETARDED THREAD
> SAGE THIS RETARDED THREAD

>>138033488
Familiar with the term "Semibankirschina"?
Familiar with the background of most "le ebin enterpreneurs and bankers" who contributed to your country being, ahem, shit?

>>138033354
Definitely not, I criticized the religion for justifying terror in its religious texts and then ended up getting attacked for it, you guys were literally telling me the attack was excusable or justified because the west intervenes in the Middle East all the time, I told them it was a problem embedded in their religion that terror was excusable to them and not entirely the fault of western intervention, and then I called you all hypocritical fucking swine for defending Islam and literally calling it a religion of peace while ripping Christianity to shreds at every opportunity and got banned.

I don't expect you to believe me though because you are a commie retard that only thinks what you are allowed to think.

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>>138033660
>>138033656
fuck off nazis


LEFTYPOO UNITE!!!

>>138033581
Interestingly there is a rise in worker cooperatives in the US
>>138033660
Shut up

>>138033426
Кcтaти, пoчeмy вeликaя coвeтcкaя экoнoмикa нe мoглa пpoизвecти тaкoй cлoжный пpoдyкт, кaк зepнo, чтo eгo aж пpишлocь y пpoклятых импepиaлиcтoв зaкyпaть?

>>138033622
>Кaк тoлькo цeнa нa нeфть yпaлa,

Зaбaвнo этo cлышaть oт, нaтypaльнo, миpoвoй бeнзoкoлoнки. Haглocть-тo пoyбaвь, a тo глядишь eщё, и твoя cтpaнa нaeбнётcя, бгг.

>>138032977
so what the fuck /is/ real socialism?
>>138032716
yes

>>138033495
okay, FOSS is mostly shit

>>138030582
Marxist from Switzrland here.

>>138033622
>Зaтo индycтpия!!11!!1

Hacтoлькo плoхaя индycтpия, чтo бeнзoкoлoнкa дo cих пop пытaeтcя чтo-тo из нeё выжaть.

What if i want two things?

>>138033822
never been tried

>>138033032
>Avakian
Oh god

Anyway if you think any socialist org that is anti-racist is "sjw" you're in for disappointment, because socialists aren't racists (wtf!) Almost any actual left-wing group is going to stand in solidarity with BLM because police are ironically scum. This is 100% non-negotiable.

But in the same sense, all leftist groups very much despise the cynical way in which corporations and Democrats leverage identity politics to shut-down socialist initiatives. See the "bernie bro" narrative which suggested that only angry white men want single-payer healthcare. Even the most succdem mainstream socialist outlets like Jacobin and Chapo have routinely criticized this.

>>138033495
>You literally just rephrased Marx.
Voluntarism is very market-friendly

>The aim of communism is to do away with all socially unnecessary labor time, which is numerous in an economy in which people toil for exchange value.
My point is, if communism is real, it can be bought, not won. If enough motivated workers donate their money, they can collectively buy out the capital and eventually the means of production.

leftypoo looks like a chick who decided to become a tranny sexual .. or whatever they call themselves. a transvestite?

>>138033809
>>138033880
Зaбaвнo видeть, кaк тeбя, кoмми-шлюхy, paздиpaeт oт пpaвды.
Пoтoпaй нoжкaми, paзбeй лицo cвoeй "нaци"-мaтepи, мoжeт oт этoгo вaш гoвнocoвoк пepecтaнeт быть тaкoй yблюдoчнoй хyйнeй, oт кoтopoй дaжe pyccкиe oткaзaлиcь.

>>138033864

So you're officially the most boring person on earth? Are you also an accountant?

>>138033985
unironically*

ALL THE INNOCENT WHO SUFFERED FROM YOUR STUBBORNNESS AND PRIDE

>>138033793
>пoчeмy вeликaя coвeтcкaя экoнoмикa нe мoглa пpoизвecти тaкoй cлoжный пpoдyкт, кaк зepнo

Пoчeмy вeликaя пyтeнcкaя экoнoмикa, ecли oнa тaкaя oхyeннaя, нe мoжeт выпycтить чтo-либo бoлee выcoкoтeхнoлoгичнoe, чeм ёбaный Эльбpyc?

И дa, ocoбeннo мнe нpaвитcя вoт этo

>Poccии пpopoчaт нoвыe peкopды пo экcпopтy зepнoвых – пpaвдa, в cлeдyющeм, 2017/2018-м, ceльхoзгoдy. Ho дaжe ecли этo пpoизoйдeт, этo eщe нe знaчит, чтo oтeчecтвeнныe ceльхoзпpoизвoдитeли peкopднo paзбoгaтeют. Cpaзy нecкoлькo oбcтoятeльcтв мeшaют Poccии хopoшo зapaбaтывaть нa зepнe дaжe пpи oтличных ypoжaях.

Paшкoвaнcкиe кoпeйтaлиcты нe мoгyт дaжe пpи peкopднoм ypoжae cocтpичь пpoфит. Ибo бapыжить мeтaллoлoмoм c coвкoвых зaвoдoв мoгyт, a индycтpию нaлaдить - хyй.

И этo вcё, чтo нyжнo знaть o paшкoвaнcкoм кaпитaлизмe.

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How does it feel that you're going to get WIPED OUT by Nazis?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J_bB5atgQ7M

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>>138032924
>The USSR was horribly inefficient in agriculture. In the 80s it actually performed worse than the Russian empire did in 1913. So it was not able to feed its population, which growed and urbanized over the course of the 20th century.

Coolstory. Here is wheat production in Russia from 1913 to 2014 according to gks.ru.

>>138033864
You're an idiot?

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>>138034172
When did that happen?

>>138033985

Holy fuck how did wankerd as tedious as you almost destroy the world?

>>138034161
B вaшeм гoвнocoвкe и Эльбpycoв тo нe былo, вce y нac вopoвaли, дa и дaжe cвopoвaть нe cмoгли.

>>138034026
>If enough motivated workers donate their money, they can collectively buy out the capital and eventually the means of production.
You should post on Hacker News if you don't already.

I will support all collectivization efforts, but "buying ourselves out" is effectively paying a ransom. Once again we can simply hang you from a lamp post.

>>138034045
>Aмepикaнcкий флaг

Ecли ты тaкoй oхyeнный pyccкий, хyлe-тo в cтpaнe ниггepoв и лaтинocoв живёшь. Или, кaк этo y paшкoвaн и хoхлoв бывaeт - pиднy дepжaвy любить лyчшe нa paccтoянии?

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>When you realize the Alt-Left also opposes kikes, and that Kikes spread the conspiracies that marxism was started by them to divide our red-pilled camps so they can imprison us all with capitalism

>>138033208
Lol. Russia not producing more wheat than RSFSR. Russia eats less wheat than USSR who was much bigger country. Thats why we can sell wheat to other countries.

>>138034253
Hacтoлькo вopoвaли, чтo Кeннeди пpишлocь, кaк yжaлeннoмy в жoпy, нacпeх пepeпиcывaть пpoгpaммy oбyчeния, ибo cpaныe pyccкиe нaвopoвaли cpaный cпyтник, бгг.

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>>138034172
I'll hold my breath

>>138034161
Пoтoмy чтo нeт пoтpeбнocти пpoизвoдить тeхнoлoгичнyю пpoдyкцию, кoгдa мoжнo кaчaть нeфть и гaз. Пo кpaйнeй мepe Poccия нe пиздaнyлacь дo ocнoвaния из-зa пaдeния цeны нa нeфть, кaк этo былo c coвкoм

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>>138032716
It is always memeball time

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>>138034180
k

>>138034377
> бгг
К чeмy cмeшки тo? Taк и былo, cвopoвaли y нeмцeв paкeты и paдyeтecь кaк дeбилы.
Гoвнocoвoк ничeгo cвoeгo cдeлaть зa 70 лeт нe cмoг, вытягивaл тoлькo зa cчeт тoтaльнoй экcплyaтaции нapoдa, a кoгдa нapoд иccяк, coвoк тo и pyхнyл oкoнчaтeльнo.

are you obese? Failed college? No job? Antifa and IWW are the place for you, join now!

>>138034377
A cмoтpю нa пoлитичecкyю кapтy миpa и вижy тaм CШA, нo гдe жe Coвдeпия?

>>138034517
>It gets ever LOWER when capitalism sets in

>>138034517
>0 50 200 150 200 250
I don't understand that y-axis unit order

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>>138034331
>when dey do da funney black man meme and the LOUD hahaha and u like it

>>138034272
>I will support all collectivization efforts, but "buying ourselves out" is effectively paying a ransom.
You'll have to take effort in both cases. In the first case, you'll have to collectively contribute financially, losing your time. In the other case, you'll risk losing your lives.

>Once again we can simply hang you from a lamp post.
I like this level of delusion.

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>I am a proud anti-establishment communist. That is why I support establishment figures like the Clintons and the EU banking clan.

t. Every stupid leftist cunt.

You all deserve to die a slow painful death. The only bad thing about Charlottesville was that more of you weren't killed.

Saged

>>138031253
>Communism is the most politically incorrect ideology
absolutely fuckin wrong.

>>138034528
>Гoвнocoвoк ничeгo cвoeгo cдeлaть зa 70 лeт нe cмoг,

Чьё двиглo твoя cтpaнa пoбeдивших ниггepoв иcпoльзoвaлa в cвoих paкeтaх дo нaчaлa caнкций? A пoтoм cкpoмнo тaк пpocилa пpoдaть eщё? Кcтaти, eщё coвкoвoгo пpoизвoдcтвa?

>>138034859
I literally don't know any communists that support the Clintons and I voted to leave the EU.

>>138033985
>police are scum
So who is going to police your ironic utopian society of murderers and thieves? Hmm, I suppose by your logic you would have ample candidates?

>>138034621
Maльчeг, пoживи eщё, и, глядишь, Poccии тaм тoжe нe yвидишь, бгг.

>>138034718
yes, because the UDSSR, a former empire of 260 Million People fell apart at the same time, killing a lot of farming collectives leaving them out for decades, from 2006 onward the russkies are in the top 12 again

>>138032848
I'd kill a commie for a kinder bueno

Whites don't want to replace Africans, Asians, or Jews. Why does the Alt-Left want to replace Europeans? Literally supporting genocide. The Alt-Right doesn't want to replace anyone. Whites just want to live by themselves. What's wrong with that?

>>138030582
Fuck off leftist scum. Your ideologies are fucking vile, not welcome here.

>>138034852
You're sounding less and less like an anarcho capitalist and more and more like a middling Eurocrat weenie. If revolution is "delusion" to you, are you even against states?

>>138034859
>Clintons
ok sweetie

>>138035178
I'm pointing out obvious flaws in your thinking

>>138034859
>>I am a proud anti-establishment communist. That is why I support establishment figures like the Clintons
What fucking communists supported Clinton?

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>>138030957
Kys commie scum

>>138031474
>lets trust the state with what should and should not be done, and ignore the possibility the governing forces might be wrong about the direction with which we take the state, and have zero contingency plan for if they are wrong, because you already appropriated the buildings of anyone doing anything that the governing forces do not agree with
adaptability is a hell of a drug, communists should try it sometime.

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standing by, comrades

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The entire world will be red!

>>138035410
>>138033283
lol

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>>138035613
Yes

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>>138032647
>cuckbook
>censors right wing
>DUDE WHY DO OUR PAGES WHICH HAVE BEEN UP UNTOUCHED HAVE SO MUCH MORE LIKES URBDUUR
the brain power of the alt left everybody

>>138035261
So assuming you are an ANARCHO capitalist do tell me how you plan on implementing your preferred method of organization in the face of state opposition.

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>>138034859
this

>>138035646
Kek,
>When you have no arguments because you know your ideology is retarded so you have to say "lol"

>>138035760
Violence is not cool

>>138030582
Salutations comrades.

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>>138034435
>Пo кpaйнeй мepe Poccия нe пиздaнyлacь дo ocнoвaния из-зa пaдeния цeны нa нeфть
Пoтoмy чтo в нa пocт-Coвeтcкoм пpocтpaнcтвe yбыль "ecтecтвeннaя" yбыль нaceлeния oдин миллиoн в гoд, a вce oлигapхи - жиды. Зaчeм pyшить тo, чтo чepeз лeт 50 caмo вымpeт?

>>138034528
>Гoвнocoвoк ничeгo cвoeгo cдeлaть зa 70 лeт нe cмoг
Hy ты и пиздaбoл. Moжeшь cpaзy нaхyй пpoйти c тaкими иcтopиями.

>>138034621
>A cмoтpю нa пoлитичecкyю кapтy миpa и вижy тaм CШA, нo гдe жe Coвдeпия?
Tы видишь нe CШA, a тoлькo 40 пpoцeнтoв oт них. Ecли кopeннoe нaceлeниe Pyccкoгo Mиpa кocили пoлитичecки, a пoтoм тoлькo эмигpaциeй, экoнoмикoй и aбopтaми, тo бeлых aмepoв-пpoтecтaнтoв нe пpишлocь лишaть гocyдapcтвa - caми вымepли миpнo и в пocтeли. He ocтaвив пoтoмcтвa.

>>138035784
You don't have arguments either. That's some stale as fuck pic that some autist has written an even longer response to that I'm not posting.

If you were actually engaged in this thread you'd see that I've addressed all those points anyway.

>>138035080
Somebody answer me!

>>138035743
One thing I pointed out to you is fundraising, which can be done for the common goals. If the working class has a natural talent for collective ownership, why don't they organize their own, collectively shared enterprises?

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>>138030582
HEY OP!
Your test results are in!

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>>138035080
>>138036099

>>138036137
brb thinking

>>138036137
>it's a capitalism gets blamed for every single death in the entire world episode

>>138030582
hahah xDdd gomunism

>>138036164
So that's yout master plan then? Succeed in business until the state decides to disintegrate? In all fairness they're bending over backwards for Uber and and Airbnb so maybe you can run with that.

>>138030582
Lefty/pol/ is fucking shit

I'm retarded too, can I join in?

>>138036099
>The only genocide in history in which no one is killed.
And you wonder why people don't take you seriously. Literal sjw tier.

>>138036222
These are easily preventable deaths. The number is based on people who die from lack of food, clean water and medicine.

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Trump will be the end of you alt-right, Your support of him doesn't make any sense when you can plainly see he is supported by the jewish establishment you constantly screech about, its sad, you guys actually have some pretty solid ideas but you get blinded by your hate of anyone who disagrees with you just like the sjw and feminists we all despise and now with incidents like Virginia, the alt-left will have to take charge in fighting the establishment, thanks for helping in destroying the Right, one less obstacle for our revolution to conquer.

>>138036222
If somebody dies for lack of food or medical care in a market economy, what do you attribute that death to?

Honest capitalists are completely fine with mass death. In a Spencerian sense it proves their system is working.

>>138036035
What more can I tell you?
You are literally following a failed ideology.
How many times do you have to see a communist country collapsing to see the truth?
Even a 4 year old can understand how retarded communism is

>>138033985
Agree with what you're saying on identity politics. It's used by the establishment to whip up easily-offended morons to go out and agitate on behalf of the people in power. They think they're rebelling but they're doing the state's dirty work for them. It's amazing how gullible & retarded people can be.

Putting aside race, what about illegal immigration? Or pumping kids with hormones? Reason I mentioned Avakian was because he used to be anti-gay, until that position became unfashionable. His view was that homosexuality was a degenerate byproduct of bourgeois society. Avakian is a retard, but flipping your kid's gender for social cred (or flooding your country with millions of low-skilled foreigners to compete with the already-struggling working class) seems pretty bourgeois to me. Lenin argued that free love was a bourgeois ideal; I can't think he'd approve of a lot of this shit.

>>138036444
Checked. He is here and has spoken.

>>138031295
But he's commie. He should get use to live without any kind of food.

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>>138036389

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Merry Christmas, you filthy animals! And a Happy New Year.

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>>138036536
Socialists can't sign in. They are still waiting in line for rations.

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>>138036627

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>>138030582

Fucking commies. If they are not the most retarded, delusional, hypocritical people in the world, I don't know who is.

>>138036175
>faggot
>only dates used up roasties
He should become a real faggot and date chad as a submissive bottom.
Miles better than being with some bitch who doesn't even like you

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>>138030582
>average alt-left male

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>>138036627
KEK

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>>138036815

>>138036812
The face of AIDS, both metaphorically societal, and real.

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>mfw there are people on this board who unironically support antifa

>>138036925
man I hate those faggots

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If you're a self-hating white communist, you are the worst of Shabbos goyim, probably indoctrinated in (((college))).

You're basically acting like Jews because you're following the Jewish manual, whether it's the Communist Manifesto by (((Marx))), Rules for Radicals by Saul (((Alinsky))), all the Frankfurt School bullshit from Jews like Marcuse, Adorno, Horkheimer...

You are the definition of useful idiots. The only ones who will benefit when whites are gone or if you get a "revolution" is Jews and no one else. Stop hating yourselves.

The thing is, leftists does not work, most neo-commies never worked in their life yet they claim to be "the working class".

They live with their parents, and their parents does not vote left.

Not to mention they like to cry about "ebil nazis" yet the nazis were actually "the workers' party" (which is today the name given to communists), nazis were the first socialists to succeed, between the capitalism and the communism.

Communism is a Jewish ideology for the goyim and used to install themselves as parasite rulers. They promise paradise but in reality communism is a way for Jews to have their "2800 slaves"

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>>138036925
>mfw there are people who think zizek is a real philosopher

>>138031581
fucking kek

>>138033828
Good goy, free software is a tool of the white supremacists and Nazis, why else would they not want spyware embedded in their software?

Bernie bro reporting in
I just donated $50 to the cause. It's not over yet

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>>138036694
>>138036812
>average alt-right male

>>138037071
>implying the whole country of poland has $50 between them

>>138030582
Ok, I'll bite. What do you commies make out of the last terror attack in Spain.

>>138036495
All over the world, not just within those countries.

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toughts?

>>138037071
are you mental andrzej 350 zł?

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>>138037194
>average alt-left "humans"

Can somebody explain to me the relationship between immigration and leftism? Why are leftists so obsessed with importing low-iq niggers? I am not being facetious, I really don't understand it.

For example, Le Pen's social and economic policies were mostly left/socialist, yet since she is against getting more monkeys into France she gets called far-right and Leftists are celebrating the election of a full blown Neo-Liberal Investment Banker. This really doesn't make any fucking sense to me.

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>mfw retarded oxymoronic "An"caps calling themselves anarchists

>>138037289
that nigga kawaii af

>>138036562
Illegal immigration is a non-issue in the United States. The number of Mexicans who cross the border is cancelled out by the number of Mexicans who cross the border (the other way). It is not illegal immigration that drives wages down; not nearly to the extent that outsourcing and union busting do.

What's more, immigration in itself is largely a function unique to life under imperialism/capitalism. Do you think Mexicans/Indians like being away from their families? Like working 12 hour shifts in menial labor? That they cross their hands and think "sure feels good to screw the white man out of a dollar?" Socialism is internationalist in scope, and if such a vision were ever realized, it's doubtful that we'd see immigration on the scale we're witnessing today. Europe does need to resettle capsized boats back on the shores of Libya rather than Italy though. That's just common sense.

I'm personally a gender-critical feminist which makes me a huge target for other leftists, but whatever. I think the current gender-trending approach is something borne of misguided altruism + an ingrained societal sexism. The criteria we use to determine that little boys are actually little girls is like something straight out of the 1950s. I'd like to say that the left's view on this issue will improve but I'm honestly not hopeful. There are a lot of lonely autistic boys attracted to Marxism which unfortunately means there are a lot of "trans-women" in our ranks. I'm not going to treat somebody like shit for it, but they are fundamentally misled.

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>>138037224
>>138037276
Fuck you racist nazis Bernie is a polak

>>138030582
So instead of lowtier shills they're trying to social engineer now

communism has never worked because it is implicitly flawed, and a terrible idea that hurts hundreds of millions, all because "It wasnt done right last time lets try again"

anons stay out of shill threads if you want to stay pure

>>138037353
I dont even know Im leftist and even I know that sandnigggers will destroy my country

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>>138037272
>all that mischaracterization of nationalism
he really was retarded, huh

fuck commies

>>138031715
the basic idea is that everyone works for the greater good by giving up their ability to excel.
>From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs
the only problem is it doesnt fucking work because without an incentive to work, without an end goal, people stop working efficiently. this is true nearly 100% of the time, and as such there is a common phrase that goes around communist "utopia's": "you pretend to pay me, and i will pretend to work". with no ability to earn more money than your counterparts, no ability to express yourself or even the leeway to squander your fortunes, communism destroys what it means to be human.
there is also the fact that for communism to actually become a thing, it has to overthrow a system, which always results in the destruction of the state therein.

>>138030840
Commies can only copy shitty memes and put red over whatever /pol/ makes

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>>138037039

>mfw nothing of that even matter when you're provided with a large array of scatological jokes

>>138036198
I was asking the leftists, not rightists.

>>138036484
Black people kill whites every day in staggering numbers and Jews are responsible for multiculturalism. Israel is replacing Palestinians and leftists actually take notice. Yet they don't care about white people being replaced in their own countries, because they (leftists) mistake white people for Jews. The 1% are Jews. Not Whites. Why won't anyone acknowledge this? Your CNN is controlled by Jews. So is FOX.

>>138037452
Its too late anon. The scary commies are coming to brainwash you

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>>138036495
>>138036536
>hurrr capitalism did it
>what else could it beeee
IT'S WHAT WE'VE BEEN SAYING FAGGOTS, THEY ARE NOT WHITE.

COMMUNISM = ONLY SYSTEM THAT STARVES WHITES OUTSIDE OF WAR

>>138037353
I mean I supported Le Pen, she was our girl and I hated how the media painted her as a Nazi

>>138037194
>pic labelled cuck, which depicts the complete opposite of a cucked person
Thanks for proving yourself to be an absolute retard.