Are muslims just Arab Supremacists?

>>138015795
Not all muslims are arabs, stormtard.

>>138016879
right but islam is arab religion

No since the majority of muslims in the world aren't even arab.

Muslims are muslim supremacists.

>>138016974
Only something like 20% of muslims are arabs.

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>>138015795
just inbred parasites

>>138016974
you are retarded

>>138016974
and Christianity is a jew religion.

>>138015795

Most muslims aren't Arabs and not all arabs are muslim

Islam is interesting in that it claims itself the ultimate successor to Christianity and Judaism and declares Mohammad the last profit ever until the final judgement. It's for this and other reasons Islam has enjoyed long term protection from any kind of modern interpretation or advancement on a wide enough scale for "moderate" adherents to be anything more than a small minority and are often vilified as heretics and blasphemers, as is the case with the Shia-Sunni divide and the major schools of though within those sects.

It's also worth noting that given a literal interpretation of the Koran there is no room for politics full stop. Like the other primary monotheistic religions there's a fundamental idea of converting non-believers to your faith.

In that sense all the major religions (at least the monotheistic) have domination and eventual supremacy as a core tenet.

>>138017024
But Arabs rank the highest, blacks the lowest

No they just want their ethnosta-I mean caliphate. Totally different than Nazis.

>>138015795
yes.

>>138016879
not all israelis are jews either

No, there are different political factions. Some are Democratic Socialist, but Arab nationalists. Some are secular in government, but just Islamic. Some are extremist Wahhabist psycho killers like Saudi Arabia which Trump seems to love.

>>138015795
>are radical muslim religious supremacists?
Fixed that for you.

From a muslim site


> When non-Muslims are racist towards black Muslims, it’s quite predictable and somehow easier to deal with. We are taught to ignore these racist and forgive them for their ignorance. But when your own “brothers and sisters” reject you and your blackness, it’s quite sad and problematic. Where do you go to? Where do you belong? Are the days of Arab supremacy towards black people still not passed? Has there ever been a unified Muslim community?

mvslim.com/racism-in-the-muslim-community-are-we-really-one/

>>138017269

These descriptions are very ugly, it is offensive and an insult to our religion. There is no moderate or immoderate Islam. Islam is Islam and that’s it. -Recep Tayyip Erdoğan

>>138017323
kek, saved

>>138015795
nope

>>138015795
We need to meme the idea of Muslim supremisists into reality.

Also Black Supremisists.

>>138017491

you can't post here i'm telling

>>138015795
see
>>138017024
Islam is a political ideology like communism which brainwashes people into believing they are superior and their idea is the best.
I have been saying this for years now, communism has a lot of similarities with Islam.
1. They kill their opponents.
2. They hurt the week and impose taxes and other form of hardships on non believers.
3. Force people to follow their ideology or punish them.
4. Heavily enforce censorship.
5. Believe rich should pay for poor but does the complete opposite when they are in power.
6. Islamist states almost always fall into fascism.
There are lots and lots of other small coincidences which are same with both ideologies.
Dig deeper if you want to.

>>138017647
With arabs at the top. Even huff knows
>
According to a Cairo-based think tank, many of the Sudanese being targeted by Libyans are refugees escaping the ethnic cleansing of black Africans in Darfur and the South Kordofan region of Sudan. They have escaped one form of Arab racism, only to find another.

m.huffpost.com/us/entry/951422

>>138017457
Lol Erdogan is a fucking tyrant. The turks were great, they were a great society until hard right Islamism came into play. Their society used to be predicated on Secularity. I don't mind Islam, it's just a fucking sky daddy religion like the rest. If you met actual Muslims, you'd realize they're just as good or bad as anyone else. But tyrants and authoritarian despots are fucked.

>>138017024
Even as late as 19th century legal manuals promote the idea that an arab muslim is worth more than a non-arab.
There's probably no English translation but if you pick up Muhammad Qadri Pasha's manual on family law, it literally tells you that a "pureblood" arab shouldn't be wed to a non-arab.

>>138015795

Muslims are stoneage degenerate retardiation supremacists

>>138015795
No, but do most Arabs think they're better than everyone else? Of course. So do Persians, Egyptians, every other ethnicity that makes up Islam.
Remember, there's been a lot of Islamic war in Europe, but that's only a fraction as much war as they've made on each other.

>>138018225
Is sunni islam arab supremacy?

>>138015795

Muslim here, not Arab but Indian. No, Muslims are no Arab supremacists, in fact most Muslims on the planet are not even Arab, only 20% are. Also South Asians tend to really hate the rich gulf Arabs because they are pretty much racist towards migrant workers from India, Bangladesh, Pakistan etc.

>>138018361
> pretty much racist towards

Cos you are untermensch?

>>138016974

Christianity is not a European religion either but it would be unthinkable to separate European history from Christianity. The practice of religion changes depending on the people, African Christians are very different to European Christians. And Christianity in the Phillipines is different still. Same with Muslims. In the end religion is not as important as culture and genetics.

>>138017959
LOL! I live for 26 years, and i have worked about everywhere in The Netherlands and Belgium, And never EVER EVER!!!! have i saw, met, heard, or smelled a good muslim, Every last one of them will try to jew you out of something, Or betray you, They are untrustworthy, And will even eat their own kin.

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>>138015795
Yes, read a book, in particular the Koran, it states it quite clearly.

Imperial Japan was also Japanese Supremacist.

The soviet union was communist supremacist. North Korea is Korean supremacist.

And patriotic America is American supremacist already. It's not at all uncommon to hear people say that this is the greatest country on earth even many liberals will agree with that statement.

The only difference between an american white supremacist and a regular patriotic american is the latter has been fooled to think that the country would be just as good if the demographics were different and white people were replaced with brown people.

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>>138017959
half of the population are still die hard nationalist secularists, this is not over yet burger

>>138018743
Come to the US. Our muslims are pretty well assimilated, they drink and fuck, and they roll their eyes at their parents. I grew up with a lot of them, and I am an atheist. I've gotten into some serious debauchery with muslim friends. And don't even get me started on the women. So fucking hot.

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>>138015795
They're essentially Fascists
>with a capital F
>Mussolini didn't care about race either

Even though I'd rather die than convert, I can see how it would be comfy being a Mooselimb in the current year. They've got the momentum, they're encouraged to take pride in themselves, and they've got top-tier war songs.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9JgKfiJJiy4

>>138018361
modern sunni islam is just umayyad ar*b culture in disguise you stupid paki. muhammad would behead %99 of the muslims in the world today if he was resurrected

>>138018863
I hope so, but I am afraid you guys are too far gone. He secured and consolidated his power last year in that sketchy attempted coup. How is day to day life? I want to see Istanbul someday or Ankara, got a buddy who lives there and plays music. As a westerner, I don't want to be ignorant.

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>>138017269

>Saudi Arabia which Trump seems to love

Every fucking american president sense the Iranian revolution has sucked Saudi cock. We fucked up Iran like a bunch of bullies, killing there president and imposing a wicked dictator, the Iranians rose up and ousted him and have hated us ever sense. Can you blame them?

But no we cant say we are sorry and have to keep being mean to the little guy, so we kiss up to the other bullies around Iran and get them to pick on Iran too.

>>138019011
Kill yourself Alevi scum.

>>138019011
If Muhammad (peace be upon him) were resurrected in most Muslim nations he would have his head cut off for claiming to talk to angels or speaking the words of god.

Jesus would be called a cuck commie faggot by modern day christians.

>>138019030
day to day life is fine but they're slowly transforming the country into an islamic one but I doubt it will work. it's impossible without a civil war but hey I guess that's why they brought in 3 million ar*bs so the islamist side would have more soldiers

ankara is shit and istanbul is overrun by subhumans but there are still nice parts of the city and there's always something happening 7/24 unlike european cities

>>138019596
Shit, I really hope you guys don't get into a full civil war. I would back the west intervening against Erdogan, but I also think it would be a mistake for the US to get involved unilaterally.

>>138015795
Islam is Arab nationalism, and the Arab nation according to muh ham was the world

>>138017647
Nepalbro is on fire today

>>138019829
No way, Arab nationalism is not celebrated by all Muslims. Most muslims are from Asia, you should fucking know this dude.

>>138015795
It is a religion with global domination at it's root. Submit or die by beheading, convert or live as a Dhimmi. This is what Satan would do to you. Islam is the work of the Beast.

>>138016879
T. Albanian.

>>138019684
>be west
>put tyrant in power
>"he good boi he dindu nuffin"
>tyrant sharts on the country and years pass
>"dictator! human rights violations! here comes freeedom!"

yeah it's kinda getting old. we'll handle our shit ourselves, thanks for your concern though burgerbro

>>138015795

Islam is an Arab cultural imperialism that much is true.

People who refute this consider:

>Converts usually rename to an arabic name
>Have to recite the shahada in arabic
>Call to prayer in western countries is spoken in Arabic
>Dress codes are based on Arabic traditions

>>138019902
Yes it's all just a coincidence that all the countries that fell to Islam lost all their culture to the arabs, it's all just a coincidence that arab scholars wrote and control Islam to this day, how new are you?

>>138020034
no you literally can't
You're nothing like the Japanese, they're a model example of what our subjects should be like.

>>138017647
you're simply describing acquisition of power
all of these apply to virtually any power system other than democracy, in which it can be argued that the same processes happen, only invisible to the public eye.

so the real question is not whether there is an established power structure, just whether the rules are just and beneficial to the people.
in communism it's fairly easy to point out that was not the case. monarchies and theocracies however tended to be stable over many generations, which is about the best that any form of government can do.

>>138017959
>every religion is equally bad
kill yourself you clueless fuck lol

>>138020034
Yeah, that's sad and true. And it's the case for so many fucking countries. Now you know why I am an anti-imperialist. What good has it done for us? It just makes yall fucking hate us more.

>>138019596

Just don't become like Egypt and go full Islamist trash. Your country is too close for comfort.

>>138020526
You love it.

>>138020107
Indonesia is not Arab. You are spouting bullshit, of course you're a Hindu and hate Islam, so you have shit perspective. I am an atheist and all of you guys believe in fairy tales and are ready to kill each other for it. Fools.

>>138020349
You should look at what the arab countries have contributed to the world after the oil boom, it's a self answering question.
Pro tip : it's nothing

>>138020107
By your shit logic Americans are Semites because Christ was a Jew.

>>138020611
Christianity colonized the world
Islam just tried to get their stinky paws on European women because their whole lot is disgusting garbage waste and I wouldn't mind if they turned into the radioactive kind either.

>>138020698
Get a load of this blue pilled faggot

>>138020698
You get 12 years in jail for anime in Indonesia, stop using them as an example, do they follow Sharia a law based on books written by arabs, yes, so they follow a Quran which is printed in Saudi, yes they do, my being hindu has nothing do with Islam being Arab Nationalism

>>138020781
At one point Islam conquered a large part of Europe. At one point polytheists ruled a vast swath of the continent. It's almost as if history ebbs and flows and you are incapable of understanding the nature of conquest and the role religion plays in it.

>>138020758
You came very close to the Redpill, American still pay kosher tax they aren't semites but under the control of semites as all Muslims nations are

>>138021125

Still, your neighbors in Pakistan speak the same language, but worship a different skydaddy or in your case multiple sky daddys and mommies. Yet you can't even fucking get along. Who is the real savage? Us atheists who realize it's all a scam to control you people and keep you in line? Or you guys who hate your own brothers across a fake line in the sand for no reason at all other than you disagree on which fairy tale to believe in.

>>138021351
I can't even tell if you are trolling or just retarded, probably just American

>>138021199
this
>>138020746
i could point to india post-colonization and say the same, but i recognize the wealth of culture and history you guys have. for one, you have figured out how to unite many different tribes, languages, religions under one banner over thousands of years, something the west needs to figure out rather sooner than later.

basically yes, the islamic world is in crisis, the religion itself is in crisis, and that is a very dangerous situation. but islam is also very quickly growing, since it's a bastion of faith despite the radical secularization of the world in the past century,
many people have a desire for a meaningful, simple family-oriented life, and wherever they are denied that they will look for alternatives. in the west, islam is increasingly looking like the only one, so how would that not be a contribution to the world?

>>138021199
What don't you understand about Christianity colonizing the EARTH
Do I have to make a meme of it?
Christianity POZZED all other religion's NEGHOLE

Someone post the immigration infographics that show how they go about their invasion and eventual attacking methods as their percentage of the population rises.

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>>138021351

>Us atheists who realize it's all a scam to control you people and keep you in line?

>>138021351
dude atheism is also a kike trap and it's retarded. yeah all religions are garbage but that doesn't mean god is not real

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>>138021524
Take your poo to the loo or your children will look like this.

>>138021527
2.3 billion xtians versus 1.8 billion muzzies. I would not be bragging about those numbers if I were you.

>>138021659
stop me when I lie.

>>138021351
>implying keeping people in line is a bad thing

just go outside for a few hours and wonder how much worse it would be if people were "kept in line"
you live right next to black ghettos, dude, you should be the first one to realize.

>>138015795
Filipino Muslims = Terrorism
Chinese Muslims = Terrorism
Chechen Muslims = Terrorism
Malaysian Muslims = Terrorism
African Muslims = Terrorism

Islam without a doubt was originally founded with some notion of Arab supremacy, Muhammad was an Arab himself, and wanted his own clan to take everything over. However this never stopped other ethnic groups from becoming just as indoctrinated.
Though looking back through history Arabs were shitty even without Islam.

>>138021661
There is absolutely no proof god is real. If you can show me evidence and data, I would be more than willing to bend the knee.

>>138021524
You can't that's the point, try finding 5 relevant countries that came out of the middle east that don't deal in oil, we have contributed much more to the world post colonization than the middle east which basically got an infinite source or money

>>138021777
And yet, the most peaceful countries are not very religious at all.

>>138021729
I'm bragging about the D A N K Christian architecture and colonization method that led to the world being B L E A C H E D

>>138021789
>White Nationalist Christian = Patriots.
GTFOOH

>>138021862
India hasn't invaded any country in the last 3000 years atleast and we are a religious nation

>>138021905
Unironically correct.
Christian White Nationalists aren't spreading around the world bombing people. They simply love their own people and countries.

>>138021812
it's a matter of perception and awareness. the intellectual mind who needs data and proof to function is obsolete in such affairs. however reading some existentialist material could be good for convincing your rational self

>>138021973
I bet you'd love to invade Pakistan. Don't you fags have border skirmishes on the regular? too distarb bro.

>>138021761

Atheists aren't smarter or more enlightened than religious people by virtue of them being unbelievers. Arrogant atheists are the worst of the worst (this is coming from an unbeliever btw).

Also, no we are not "all brothers" and "fake lines in the sand" are not arbitrary. Borders and social cohesion are necessary for a society to function.

>>138021989
You aren't paying attention then. According to the FBI, white nationalist domestic terrorists are more likely to kill civilians than Islamic terrorists at least since 9/11. So far, they're outdoing Islamofags.

>>138022058
That is such a cop out! Sounds like something my grandma would say as a kid when I told her that I didn't believe in god anymore.

>>138022185
you're no fun. hahah. no shit dude.

>>138022195
Yeah, how about you actually look at the number of attacks carried out by each ideology. Your lefty homo talking points are meaningless.

>>138021862
like soviet russia, nazi germany or communist china? sure, great.

the most peaceful countries are usually the most powerful ones, surrounded by allies, and even those fight proxy wars.
this is not new, and not caused by atheism either.

>>138021973
again, i wonder how you managed to peacefully unite multiple people, religions and languages for such a long time.
it is marvellous, especially considering so many people live in conditions of poverty that would make any westerners grab their rifles and declare revolution.

it truly baffles my mind, i see there a potential for peace to be brought to the west, which is fracturing and crumbling as we speak.

>>138015795
yes, just like the jews they think they are the chosen people or something. the only difference is that they want everyone to follow their cult while the jews dont want that.

>>138015795
no

>>138016974
That is like saying Christianity is a jewish religion.

>>138017221
Not according to Prophet Muhammed.

"the Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings be upon him said:

O people, your Lord is one and your father Adam is one. There is no virtue of an Arab over a foreigner nor a foreigner over an Arab, and neither white skin over black skin nor black skin over white skin, except by piety. Have I not delivered the message?"

(Hadith source: Musnad Ahmad 22978)

>>138022421
do white nationalists not think that they're the chosen people as well ? that they're the only 'human race' ? that the rest are animalistic ?

>>138022291
calling people lefty homos doesn't make you right. And yeah I've looked at the data objectively White nationalists are winning the terrorist game in the US. Europe is a different story. It's also true that overall terror attacks in Europe as a whole are lower than they were in previous decades.

>>138022440
the hadith is not the word of Allah and was not even written by Allah's chosen people.

>>138015795
No, they are race realists, however Islam is universalist and more important to them than race.

>>138022299
Only one of those countries exists anymore. funny coming from a Kraut.

>>138022492
nobody identifies as white supremacist but the jews and muslims do identify as the rightfull rulers of the world.

whites are called supremacist because they want to preserve their own race, that has nothing to do with supremacy you fucking cunt.

>>138022608
Uh, I guess you weren't in Charlottesville the other night.

>>138022659
heres your (you)

>>138022608
so when you say 'nigger', what comes in your mind about black people ? that they're animalistic and less than you ?

>>138017079
>>138017126
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>>138018540
>>138022440
>all these buttblasted shitksins


You're the Arabs' bitches

And don't forget to make your costly pilgrimage to Mecca, you don't want your Arabic masters to starve, don't you ?

>>138022574
The hadith can be the word of Allah (so called "hadith Qudsi"), but in any case it is the word of Prophet Muhammed which the Quran says carries the same weight in practice because the Quran says in 40 places to follow the words of Prophet Muhammed. So in practice it does not matter.

>>138022659

not all whites :)

>>138018540
>In the end religion is not as important as culture and genetics.

Religion is more important than anything, are you some sort of munafiq?

>>138022833
its a scientific fact that all humans belong to the animal kingdom.

>>138022927
>because the Quran says in 40 places to follow the words of Prophet Muhammed
doesn't mean in a way that it was written by other people that we're not chosen by Allah. i think it was written for people in that era so that they believed what they prophet said.

>>138022416
We have a very effective socialist system most of the poverty you see is present in the slums of the cities which represent a very very small part of indian population, for the most part people are fed.
>>138022106
Stop changing the goalpost

>>138016879
You don't know much about Islam retard

>>138017079
But 99% of Arabs are muslim.

>>138015795
>arabs
>muslim
Don't be retarded my man

>>138023299
It was written and passed on by the same people who wrote down and passed on the Quran and for the same reason because it was part of the religion.

Your sentence does not make sense.

>doesn't mean in a way that it was written by other people that we're not chosen by Allah.

nobody made the claim that "we're not chosen by Allah" to do anything at all.

>i think it was written for people in that era so that they believed what they prophet said.

Which is why hadiths it is valid until judgement day (like the Quran claims)

>>138022246
well you should've listened to her if she was educated on existential material

>>138022554
>making excuses because the data doesn't fit your narrative
Typical lefty homo tactic.

Muslims are responsible for more attacks than any other religion or ideology by far. World round. There isn't even a close runner up.

>>138021989
They join american army and NATO to bomb people

>>138023722
> nobody made the claim that "we're not chosen by Allah" to do anything at all

but they were not appointed by Allah in Quran. a LOT of different opinions in the hadith, and there's even more than one hadith, and there's even the false hadith that is avoided to be read. that's a mess. you're making mandatory rules from the hadith that doesn't even exist in the Quran. the Prophet is not perfect, and the only reason he's perfect is because he's delivering the true perfect message, which is the words of Allah. nothing else is sacred. the religion of Islam is all about the words of Allah. no one else. Allah doesn't even tell us to circumcise the boys, so you're telling me that the Quran isn't perfect ?

> Which is why hadiths it is valid until judgement day (like the Quran claims)

but which one ? accepting hadith is rejecting the perfection of the Quran.

>>138024773
>but they were not appointed by Allah in Quran.

Yes it was, Muhammed was directly appointed.

>and there's even the false hadith that is avoided to be read.

It's still collected and we know which ones are false and which ones are not.

>you're making mandatory rules from the hadith that doesn't even exist in the Quran.

There are almost no rules in the Quran because AS THE QURAN SAYS it is Muhammed that muslims should follow for that sort of thing. For how the Quran should e interpreted, the practice of Islam and that sort of thing.

>the Prophet is not perfect, and the only reason he's perfect is because he's delivering the true perfect message

Well... Someone who believes in the Quran would say that you are wrong, Muhammed IS the perfect example to emulate, because that is what the Quran says.

>Allah doesn't even tell us to circumcise the boys, so you're telling me that the Quran isn't perfect ?

The Quran is perfect which is why the Quran mentions in 40 places that we should listen to Muhammed (ie. hadith) for all the rules and how to practice islam.

People who ONLY follow the Quran are not muslim and there are many other religions (like sihks) who are more similar in belief to Islam than the Quranioon.

>>138024773
>but which one ? accepting hadith is rejecting the perfection of the Quran.

No... Because the Quran says in over 40 places that people should accept what Prophet Muhammed said.

>>138016879
What's the common language of muslims? What's the common history of muslims?

>>138025447
muhammad was directly appointed to write the quran, no one else was appointed to write anything.

>It's still collected and we know which ones are false and which ones are not.
yet you're still circumcising boys, when Allah never said anything about circumcision. you still believe in killing gays, in hadith gays were told to be killed, but the Quran never says so. there's different versions of hadith but we never bothered to analyze which one is closer to the Quran.

>There are almost no rules in the Quran because AS THE QURAN SAYS it is Muhammed that muslims should follow for that sort of thing. For how the Quran should e interpreted, the practice of Islam and that sort of thing.
then who the Quran is for ? and why should we even read the Quran ? why isn't our holy book the hadith ?

>Well... Someone who believes in the Quran would say that you are wrong, Muhammed IS the perfect example to emulate, because that is what the Quran says.
no one should emulate anyone else. everyone can be different individuals while following the basics that Allah says. Muhammad was only a messenger, that's all. he's special because Allah trusted him to be the messenger.

>The Quran is perfect which is why the Quran mentions in 40 places that we should listen to Muhammed
> (ie. hadith)

but the hadith wasn't written by anyone trustworthy. who decides the best imams ? us, the muslims ? so the muslims are the ones who decide the best and the most trustworthy rules ? so i'm following the religion of muslims instead of the religion of Allah ? humans are always biased and filled with desires, that's why we trust Allah to choose the best messenger for us.

>People who ONLY follow the Quran are not muslim and there are many other religions (like sihks) who are more similar in belief to Islam than the Quranioon.
so you believe in killing gays and people who convert to other religions ?

>>138021817

>Israel
>Turkey
>United Arab Emirates
>Qatar
>Kuwait
>Saudi Arabia

All above Middle Eastern countries rank higher than India on the global innovation Index.

https://www.globalinnovationindex.org

>>138026715
>muhammad was directly appointed to write the quran, no one else was appointed to write anything.

Muhammed was illiterate

>yet you're still circumcising boys, when Allah never said anything about circumcision.

Allah has mentioned it

>. you still believe in killing gays, in hadith gays were told to be killed, but the Quran never says so.

That is also mentioned in the Quran when God kills the inhabitants of Soddom.

>there's different versions of hadith but we never bothered to analyze which one is closer to the Quran.

There is not different versions and they have been extensively analyzed over many many years.

>then who the Quran is for ? and why should we even read the Quran ? why isn't our holy book the hadith ?

Hadith is also holy

>no one should emulate anyone else.

The quran says different and anyone who believes in the Quran would disagree with you. Allah says in the Quran that we shopuld emulate Muhammed.

"Ye have indeed in the Messenger of Allah a beautiful pattern (of conduct) for any one whose hope is in Allah and the Final Day, and who engages much in the Praise of Allah." (Qur'an 33:21)

>but the hadith wasn't written by anyone trustworthy

It was written down by same people who wrote down and passed on the Quran.

> so i'm following the religion of muslims instead of the religion of Allah ?

The religion of Allah include the hadith, as is stated over 40 times in the Quran. Rejecting the hadith is rejecting the Quran.

>that's why we trust Allah to choose the best messenger for us.

A messenger you don't believe in and a messager which the ONLY source we have about him is the hadith.

>so you believe in killing gays and people who convert to other religions ?

Yes, by Allah it is justice.

>>138027804
>Rejecting the hadith is rejecting the Quran

you need a bullet in the head. it's said in quran that only source you need is quran, nothing else. there are no mosques in quran, no praying 5 times a day etc

>>138027804
>Muhammed was illiterate
that's the point you fool. the magic, the miracle. it isn't religion if it doesn't have magic tricks

>Allah has mentioned it
what chapter and verse ?

>That is also mentioned in the Quran when God kills the inhabitants of Soddom
not because they're homosexuals, but because the whole place was a combination of all bad things

>Hadith is also holy
it shouldn't be.

>It was written down by same people who wrote down and passed on the Quran.
hadith was written hundreds of years after the prophet's death. also, the Quran was written by the Prophet ONLY.

>The religion of Allah include the hadith
no. it wasn't written by people that Allah appointed. it wasn't analyzed by people that Allah appointed

>A messenger you don't believe in and a messager which the ONLY source we have about him is the hadith.
i know about him from the Quran. which is the only amount of information about him that we can know. and it's okay to know that few about him, as he's noble already with that few informations.

>Yes, by Allah it is justice.
by who ? Allah didn't mention any of that stuffs in the Quran.

this is why i'm leaving this religion and supporting the west to create barriers between sane people and muslims that are ready to kill them. anyone can analyze and reinterpret it and everyone will obey it like it's God's words. humans are biased and full of desires.

>>138028178
Rejecting the hadith is rejecting the Quran, it says in the Quran to follow what Prophet Muhammed says, people who don't believe that is rejecting the Quran.

>>138028678
>the Quran was written by the Prophet ONLY.

Nonsense, he was illiterate and the Quran also says he was illiterate. Muhammed was never seen writing a single thing.

>this is why i'm leaving this religion

Quranioon have already left it, nobody who rejects the hadith is part of islam.

>>138028891
>Nonsense, he was illiterate and the Quran also says he was illiterate. Muhammed was never seen writing a single thing.
it was the magic, you fool. islam is full of nonsensical magic stuffs like Moses splitting the sea or Jesus healing the sick. no religion makes sense, that's the point. if you can't see it with your eyes, you should be scared of making mistakes. i'm still a muslim because i'm scared.

>Quranioon have already left it, nobody who rejects the hadith is part of islam.
you're just an idiot then. norway flag, hmm, european muslims are always so dumb. you're probably a refugee as well.

>>138028891
>follow my muhammad says
>"oh look guys these are what muhammad said! ofc you can trust a shitskinned ar*b supremacist umayyad like me"

see where I'm getting at? hadiths also say to drink camel piss which is just an ar*b thing

>>138029225
>. islam is full of nonsensical magic stuffs

No it is not. Islam is logical, there was miracles, but that is not the point of it.

>i'm still a muslim because i'm scared.

You reject the Quran, you claim the verses that say muslims should follow Prophet Muhammed is wrong, how can you be a muslim?

>hmm, european muslims are always so dumb.

When we convert we follow the same Islam as Prophet Muhammed (saw) did and don't make up shit like you do.

>>138029268
Horse piss is a normal ingredient in a lot of western medicine ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Premarin ). So not only arabs that use stuff like that in medicine.

>>138022440
>>That is like saying Christianity is a jewish religion.

>implying its not