dear conservatives, why do you not support abortion? I want an

>>137979211
But what if it's your child some bitch wants to abort?

>>137979211
>Why is this wrong?
Thou Shalt not kill.

>>137979211
I T K I L L S B A B I E S

>>137979469
her body, her choice.

if I didn't want my child to die maybe I should've, you know, maybe, not gotten a bitch i don't trust pregnant.

>>137979211
>because it's her body
No it isn't.

Its not her body. She is incubating a uniquely created life. The uniquely created life contains the DNA from both a mother and father, thus not making it exclusively hers. The fact that it has a unique DNA sequence to that of the mother means your are removing a new life.

>>137979692
I have a contingency for this, first, offer money covering expenses etc. Then threaten her. If neither works then you have to kill everyone involved.

>>137979582
>>137979746

>I T K I L L S B A B I E S
>The fact that it has a unique DNA sequence to that of the mother means your are removing a new life.

Not sure if either of you have noticed this actually, but we are indeed over-populated. It's actually becoming quite the problem.

>>137979211
>it's her body.
its the baby body actualy

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>>137979211
I know this is b8 but I'll bite.

>I didn't want to get pregnant
Use a condom, take the pill, or maybe stop being a whore.
>My kid has down syndrome
Your fault for having kids after 30 with a non-white and having a unhealthy lifestyle.
>I was raped
Oh now we're onto some legitimate reason to abort. But you may as well take it as a reminder that subhumans cannot be trusted and shouldn't be in your country.
>I'm completely irresponsible and I need society to make up for it.
The essence of pro-abortion arguments, the same as
>I eat truckloads of food and don't exercise but you must pay for my healthcare
>Higher education is useless, and it's hard, but I want to make a much money as you do because you have to share
>I chose to suck dicks but I want kids so government better allow me to use a surrogate mother and pay for it

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=RldK78gPrtw

>>137979211
a simple DNA test would show that it is not her body.

>>137980125
>Not sure if either of you have noticed this actually, but we are indeed over-populated.
No we aren't, we have unpopulated places all over the map.

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>>137980125
>we are indeed over-populated
Over-populated with brown people.

The thumbnail was really small and I missed the rest of the belly and therefore the baby in he negative space, which left me thinking that instead it was a lady with an incredible rack. Such disappointment to discover it was just an abortion thread.

>>137980250
>Oh now we're onto some legitimate reason to abort.
Perhaps, but while we're at it why not execute all of the people conceived by rape?

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>>137979211
I see two bodies there and one sociopathic whore.

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>>137980343
this

>>137979211

I support abortion only for non-whites and when the fetus has a confirmed debilitating and incurable illness like retardation.

>>137980250

>Use a condom, take the pill, or maybe stop being a whore.

Accidents my guy

>>137979211
eugenics is objectively bad

>>137979211
Don't care, have as many as you want. We don't need more dumb whores from genetic garbage mothers.

>>137979211
Because it's not legal for me to opt out of parenthood and I support equality.

>>137980538
going to need you to try harder to be funny if this is really where you're @

>>137979211
Her body vs. God's laws. I still believe it is the taking of a human life. I wonder who I should side with?

>>137980724

You're the reason why there is an Alt-Right to begin with. Cuckservatives are weak and imbecilic.

>>137979211
>fathers do not own their sons or daughters
>mothers do own their sons and daughters

really makes you think

>>137980721
>Accidents my guy
>Oh no! I participated in the act of procreation and became pregnant, how could this have happened!?

>>137980724
No it is not, killing the dysgenic just gives it a bad name, so don't kill the dysgenic!

>>137980839

>religious

man. literally not a single piece of evidence god ever existed and yet you still believe in him.
>inb4 u say "lol go outside theres ur proof"

If its a white woman, aborting a white mans baby, it should be illegal. I could give a fuck less about shitskin welfare babies.

>>137979211
Because she's not killing her body you fucktard. She is killing her fetus because she is an irresponsible, selfish whore

>>137980983
you're either purposely being autistic, virgin, or just generally don't understand how impregnating a woman works.

>>137981109
>not a single piece of evidence god ever existed and yet you still believe in him
That's why it's called faith anon.

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>>137980721
Sex was made for making babies not pleasure you retard.

>>137979211
It's murder
Also
>pregnant woman gets murdered
>fetus is treated as a life
>woman wants to murder fetus
>fetus treated as a parasite
Make up your mind liberals

>>137981220
got me there!

>>137981220
> I have faith that I won't die if I jump off this skyscraper.

Seems legit.

>>137981185
>don't understand how impregnating a woman works
Usually through sex.Where is my logic failing?

I thought /pol/ liked eugenics ?

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>>137979211
fine.
but she has to pay for it herself.
called personal responsibility.

your kid isn't our responsibility.

>>137980831
Wasn't a joke anon, just an expression of my disappointment
Now you, too, can be disappointed with me

>>137981313
If they are a basejumper that train of thought is to be expected.

>>137979211
Because it is murder and only half hers. Keep your legs closed if you don't want a kid, or take the pill. Or don't fuck people who you don't want kids with.

The 60's fucked everything up, and it has been multiplied with the dogshit on TV. Enjoy your sexual freedom, skanks, guys with brains treat orifices as such.

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>>137981109
There's more proof of God than there is for the universe coming from nothing, life coming from nothing, and actually evidence of muh evolution.

https://youtu.be/3_2T47PAIkM

https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/125637346/#125637346

>>137979211
If the girl wants to post-natally abort herself, I'm cool with that.

Not cool with her killing the life growing inside her.

It is life. If we found a single cell organism on Mars NASA would call it life.

>>137981185
Enlighten us how a woman can become pregnant without having sperm put inside them?

>>137979211
At the end of the day, you are murdering an infant.
There's no sugar coating it.

>>137981597
dont step on blades of grass.

There should be mandatory abortion for all unmarried women, should she not marry the father. Being raised by a single mother is one of the most damaging things to a child.

I would also sterilize anyone who receives welfare, since they shouldn't be creating more babies and will most likely be niggers and spics

>>137981244
Pleasure in sex is there as an incentive for men to copulate as much as possible, and for women as bait. Who, in their right mind, would like to carry a parasite and go through the horrendous experience that child bearing is?

Only reason to support it because it affects minorities the most.

>>137979211
The baby isn't her body.

>>137980125
>Implying there is no difference with the African population and the Caucasoid population.
Are you not even trying to hide your genocidal aspirations you fucking kike?

1. Life begins at conception. One egg get fertilized by one speem. At this moment a new life begins.

2. It's not her body. The baby has its own unique DNA that is not the same as the mothers. Baby's can also be a different blood type than then mother. Example I am B- wife is O- both are kids are B-. My wife could not even take a blood donation from our kids without serious health complications.

3. Rape/Incest/deformities: the mother has three days to take plan B and prevent implantation of the fertilized egg. If she chose not to buy the pill or go to the nearest hospital that is her fault. Adoption if said woman is unable to care for or love a rape/incest child. Further more, just because you are a product of rape/incest or have a deformity does not mean you are not human. They are human just as you and I. The child should not be punished for sins they did not do. I'm my experience people with Down syndrome are usually the nicest people you will ever meet. Their joy is similar to that of a child and for that I believe the give us a lesson on how to care for other handicapped individuals.

>>137979211
Let me propose an idea,
If the whore wants to abort the baby then she has to do it by killing herself. That way she is really putting her body on the line and not just being a murderous whore.
Abortion by suicide is the only acceptable form

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>>137981313
>fedorautist making retard analogies

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>>137980125
Kek...falling for the over population meme.

Abortions only allowed if you'r willing to sign an affidavit that says you are fully aware you're committing murder against your child, along with a filmed public statement for each one.

Also an immediate defunding by the federal government for Planned Parenthood, an ugly baby murder business that is funded by taxpayers so women won't have to pay for their own distasteful choices despite claims that they are "independent" feminists.

>>137981706
Fuck off fagot, hope you hang or kill yourself

>>137981476
>faggot supporting killing children
not suprised

>>137981752
As a spartan I believe we should just throw them down the cliff but that's just me

>>137979211
> killing a baby is ok famalam

No it's not.

>>137981712
Or you could just have state/church sponsored adoption.

>>137981892
let's hear why boys

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>>137979211
It isn't

>pic related

>>137979211
I am going to preface this I am in favor of the unholy trifecta of abortion, and in eugenic circumstances.
Rape
Genetic/other Defects
Nonwhite in white country (Europe, Canada, USA)

But aside from that, I will list the various steps that must be taken before a child is even concieved

You could have stayed abstinate
>BUT I really want sex
You could have had Oral sex
>But I wanted it in the pussy
You could have had the guy wear a condom
>But I like the feels of of true contact!
you could have had him pull out
>But I want him to come inside me!
You could have gotten an IUD
>But those are expensive!
You could have been on the pill
>but it does x or I forget
If you are so irresponsible that you are unwilling to carry a baby to term and then put it up for adoption or fail to use the hundreds of preventatives I simply don't know what to tell you aside from maybe that abortion was a good thing to prevent you from passing on your obviously shitty genes

>>137980125
overpopulation meme haha

>>137979692
Or, you know, maybe she shouldnt have gotten pregnant? Or maybe the flaw is on both ends?
Or maybe, just maybe, it doesnt matter, given its her body thats around another newly formed body, thus something inside her.
Frankly, if given the means, the only logical way for this to end is to remove the baby and allow it to grow in something else, the artificial womb for example.

>>137981706
Grass not a human life like you faggot. I would step on you.

>>137981752
I agree with you entirely.
The dysgenic should not be murdered, just don'tl et them breed.

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>>137981857
i need your dead babies for muh cosmetics
and your foreskins.

>>137979211
Do you believe that killing is wrong?

>>137979211
>Why do you not support butchering innocent babies?
Gosh faggot, that's a tough one.

>>137980125
We (white people) actually are a minority, thus the blacks around Africa should stop fucking. And the muzzies. Perhaps even the Chinese.

>>137979692
>thats what you get for trusting someone you love

>>137981712
Better to have a shitty life than no life though

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>>137982162
wanna fuck?

>>137981713
Women are made to give birth you retarded faggot.

>>137981313
I don't believe in guns, so this bullet can't kill me
> atheism

>>137980443
Yeah, it's called nature.

>>137981330
Sex biologically speaking is for reproduction. It is or at least should be understood that's how baby's are made.

>>137979211
>it's her body
There's a third party -- the unborn child.

>>137981985
That killing is wrong is self-evident.

>>137979211
50 % of women are prolife. Femism isn't fight a war on women, it is a war between women. No one takes shit like conservative women. I've seen it first hand.

Why are Democrats forcing me to pay for health insurance? My body, my choice.

>>137979472
Do you support war of any kind?

>>137982614
>Yeah, it's called nature.
What does that have to do with anything?

>>137979472
It's thou shall not murder. Same thing in tlthis instance but the bible makes allowances for self defense. It's an important distinction.

>>137979692
I didn't know the fetus and the mother had the same DNA. That's quacking crazy!

>>137979211
Get yourself killed by your mom first and you might change your mind after the experience.

>>137982770
Exactly, so by engaging in sex (the means to reproduce) impregnation is the expected and natural outcome, how can it be an accident?

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Simple

>>137979211
I'm not a conservative or liberal. I'm for abortion because some low quality people will weed themselves out. But I'm against abortion because I think women need to be responsible for their decisions. If there were still a really strong social stigma attached to abortion, I guess I'd be fine with it.

>>137979211

I do support abortion, because it is a very cleverly designed system of eugenics.

>>137983434
And warfare.

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>>137979211
I'm all for it if the degenerate trying to have an abortion dies in the process.

>>137979692
>her body, her choice.
Fair enough then, my wallet my choice. Don't come crawling to me for child support should you choose to keep the parasite.

>>137979211
actually i support it, less dumb bitches like you running around....

>>137983644
most war is bad but God commanded Israel to go to war some times

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>>137979211

abortion is good because less niggers and Hispanics will be born

abortion is bad when white children are killed

>his body, his choice
>stop routine, infant circumcision today!
Wait a minute...

>>137982293
an embryo isn't a baby. calling it a baby is inaccurate and you're being an emotional faggot.

>>137984173
It's still a child and a human

Abortion is eugenics, cuckservatives who oppose it need to be castrated and sent to labor camps.

>>137984307
humans tend to have more cells than that. and i've never heard of a microscopic child. you're using loaded, emotional language.

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>>137984637
It has the DNA structure of a human

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>>137979211

I do support abortion because it's a modern form of eugenics. It's most often the trash of society that gets abortions. Drug addicts, sjws, dumb sluts too stupid to use condoms, etc. Also black women get way more abortions than white women. There is literally nothing wrong with abortion, christfags can fuck off.

>>137984637
Adults have more cell than 3 year olds. Are 3 year ilds not people?

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>>137979211
...but it is not her body. Biologically it is a separate entity. It cannot survive outside her body until after 22 weeks. After that time, its viability dictates that it should have some rights.

Personally, I think a woman should have the right to abortion up to a certain point. 22 weeks seem like more than enough time for that and give time for a decision to be made. It also allows for abortion is cases of rape and incest. If someone waits until after the baby is viable to make the decision whether they should keep it or not, I don't think they have the right at that point to kill the baby. This of course should not apply if the baby threatens the life of the mother. In this case and only in this case should abortions after 22 weeks should be undertaken.

Currently, you have babies that could be born being decapitated just because someone didn't take the responsibility to get their life together enough to think about their child.

I didn't think much about this until I was in Ethiopia working with abandoned children. In Ethiopia, abortions are only allowed in cases of incest I believe. We were called in because the mother was underage and had no support. Even though they aborted the child at 6 months gestation, the child survived. They decided to leave it alone because they thought it would not survive but after many hours without any care, the child was still alive.

I understand that child bearing is a huge responsibility and as a man I really can't put myself in a woman's shoes but if a fetus is viable it is a person and therefor should have rights that shouldn't sumarily dismissed especially when the mother had enough time to make a decision.

>>137980721
> o r m a y b e s t o p b e i n g s u c h a w h o r e aka fuck when your married like real normal whites, otherwise if your not white go back to your ghetto and do what you want in your country

Stephenie Gray has a real argument
https://youtu.be/DzzfSq2DEc4

>>137979746
Best answer in thread

>>137979211
I think abortion should be legal only in cases of rape, incest, or when the baby puts the life of the mother at risk. Also the baby is not part of the mother. Its its own thing.

>>137985331
>ink abortion should be legal only in cases of rape, incest, or when the baby puts the life of the mother at risk.
you're a complete and utter retard if you think abortion should be illegal for niggers. we would have more than 10 million more niggers in the US if abortion were illegal

>>137982235
The fuck off of pol you fucking degenerate

>>137979472
But you can't kill something that hasn't been born yet.

>>137979211
I do. Fuck niggers. And fuck single mothers.

[spoiler] But men should also have the opportunity to financially sever themselves from their children up to say 24 weeks after they find out. [/spoiler]

>>137985594
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>>137985564
Make slavery legal again

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>>137979211
democrats are pure evil. Anything they support at this point, must be wrong

>>137985674
Besides it's alive

>>137985805
only this time castrate the slaves like the mid east did/currently does

>>137979211

I actually don't understand it. I would think they'd approve of it because it disproportionately prevents liberals and criminals from being born.

>>137979211

It's not just her body. End of debate.

There is another body and a father to consider.

>>137980125
>overpopulated
Yeah with niggers and other subhumans. Just stop the billions of useless aid going to africa so the natural balance restores population back to sane levels. After that we can have all the white babies (that will actually help humankind progress) we want.

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>>137979211

Oh fuck, another commiefaggot strayed of its path.

Shoo shoo, out you go faggit.

For Kek's sake

>>137985674
Of course you can -- that's what abortion *is* -- abortion kills the unborn child.

In a country where there are laws that protect eagle eggs from harm, it is within the scope of the law to protect the unborn child.

And indeed, the law in most states did so protect unborn children -- until the poorly reasoned Roe v. Wade decision struck down those laws.

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>>137979211

it's not her body. the baby has its own unique body with its own unique DNA

/THREAD

>>137981713

Yeah, having babies is SO BAD that millions of women everywhere decide to have more of them.

the baby's body belongs to the baby....the mother is carrying someone else's body....the way her mother carried her....

>>137979211
if its her body/her choice.. why is suicide against the law?

>>137985865
Can it breathe/eat/live on its own without being connected to its mother via a physical connection prior to the conclusion of the 9 month pregnancy cycle?

>Not likely.

Then it's not alive.

>>137979211
Does a female unborn baby have the choice to live? Choiception.

>>137979211
Depends on race. If they aren't white, I fully support abortion.

>>137979692
>implying you've ever been laid

>>137985787
those are some sarcastic claps anon

>>137979211
>Her body, her choice
When you're pregnant it's not just your body. Part of being female

>>137980721
>Accidents my guy
who accidently has sex?

>>137982559
>I don't believe in guns, so this bullet can't kill me.

Cool strawman. Belief has nothing to do with guns actually existing. I can hold a gun. You can go buy a gun. They exist, whether I "believe" in them or not. Belief is not reality.

>>137980250
>stop being a whore
This. Sex has consequences

>>137984851
This is the only logical argument for it, people shouldn't argue with the point of "it's my body" anymore. As someone who really doesn't like the idea of new lives being destroyed before they start, I honestly can't argue with your reasoning here.

>>137981073
>No it is not, killing the dysgenic just gives it a bad name, so don't kill the dysgenic!
so when Islam dictates that all whites are dysgenic?

>Life cannot be a cluster of cells in a human body
>one cell on planet mars is life

Pick one retards

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>>137986400
Can a 3 month old do that? No I guess 3 month olds are not alive because they cannot survive on their own.

we do support abortion, without it the groid population would be out of control and america would quickly become brazil

>>137984851
> Black women get more abortions that white women.

http://www.kff.org/womens-health-policy/state-indicator/abortions-by-race/?currentTimeframe=0&sortModel=%7B%22colId%22:%22Location%22,%22sort%22:%22asc%22%7D

Sorry, you're wrong.

>>137979746
underrated answer and i like seeing /pol/fags articulate things better than me, will be stealing this thank you

>>137985564
you know how to prevent unwanted nigger babies? make the mothers pay for them. stop the gibs programs.

>>137984851
Abortion isn't going to stop people from having babies if they want to. If anything, keeping an accident might prevent an intentional baby.

>>137979211
It is ethically wrong. it is her body, but there is *another* body inside her.

>Muh babies
Jesus, how fucking reddit can you faggots get?

>>137987112

"50% white, 40% black, 10% other"
"Data in Total column represent total abortions reported by known race"

it's not per capita so I think I'm still right

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>>137979211
Pretty simple.

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>>137981771
My disbelief in god has nothing to do with whether or not he can help me. It's the possiblity of "him" existing that grinds my gears....he cannot POSSIBLY exist.

>>137979211
when a woman get laid, she does know that she (under certain circumstances) can get pregnant. Therefore, if she happens to, it is a ethical mistake to abort it.

she was aware of the 'risk' and accepted it.

>>137980125
No, this is a dumb stupid meme that has propagated itself in the West for, somehow refused to die despite being blatantly easy to disprove.
We have an aging population, that is riddled with child of one families. Hence why the ponzi scheme on which global crony Capitalism is based requires constant importing of migrants despite the intense social upheaval of the literal million strong waves of humanity from third world nations who actually have the overpopulation problem to keep the party going. China is going to implode because it listened to one child policy nuts who have created a massive sex slave market in order to deliver wives and partners to the vastly more male younger population.
This brand of environmentalism which espoused by Starbuck Socialist, is more in common with a hatred and contempt for Humanity than an actual care for the Earth.

>>137987782
>More abortions by black women
>50% of abortions are white women
>40% are black women
>Still thinks more black women abort.....

>>137980125
Overpopulation is a meme used to make white people stop having kids. There is still plenty of resources and space. If we stopped factory farming animals, we would be able to feed the entire world with the grains.

>>137988122
>oh look an anarchocommunist who doesn't understand what "per capita" means.
People like you are the only reason your shit ideology ever got off the ground.

>>137988276
Grains are not "food" for human consumption....go out into a field and eat some raw wheat, or barley, or oats....shit's inedible until it's cooked, piled with sugar and flavorings, then served with toast.
Vegetables, meat, and fruit...that is what humans have evolved to eat.

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Abortion is fine because its the Niggers and spicks that are vacuumed out the shitty mother's cunt anyway. and the other babies that are born out of those inferior races, most of their filth ends up going to prison anyway.

>>137988122

blacks cause about 40% of the abortions despite being about 14% of the population

blacks cause about 50% of the murders despite being about 14% of the population

are white people more likely to murder than black people?

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>>137987911
Can you prove to me a god can not exist?

>>137988452
> Oh look, another faggot on 4chan assuming I'm a communist.

Good counterargument. Can't refute the statistics, so your immediate response is to call me a commie. Good one.

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>>137988605
>evolved

>>137981752
>They are human just as you and I.
Unless they have black DNA - then they are a beast/human hybrid which should be treated humanely as a living creature but not granted human rights, just as you wouldn't grant certain rights to a cat.

>>137988717
There are 2 classifications for anything in this universe....it's either an object, or a concept. Which one is god?

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it's her choice to stop fucking everything with legs and getting pregnant

Conservatives want a government big enough to fit inside a womans vagina.

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>>137988747
shut up, commie fag

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>>137988605
>grains isn't edible unless it's served with toast
>anarchist flag
Makes sense.
And we were meant to earn our meat, not eat factory farmed meat that's filled with hormones and anti-biotics. Don't pretend for a second that buying pre-packaged meat at the store is anywhere close to going out into the woods and hunting wild animals.

LOL you fucks are triggered as fuck.

>>137979211
I'm all for it. Less minorities around, just as planned parenthood was meant.

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>>137989043
object

>>137988122

I've never met an ancom who wasn't a complete moron.

Every Human on the planet is descended from a rapist.
Everyone.

Morality comes from when you spite the rapist and make your mother proud she had you anyway.
Live to spite evil.

>>137979211
I don't particularly agree with the practice, but I don't believe that the government has the absolute right to say, "No, you can't have an abortion." Obviously the at birth spinal cord snip should be illegal, but in the first trimester, people ought to have the option if they want to take it.

>>137979211
Just because another body is developing inside yours doesnt make it "your body"

>>137989228
Don't selectively quote...there were a couple extra steps before the toast.

Abortion wrong k.

>>137979211
because pre-ending a life de-futures a person, no matter how tiny

check you existential privilege meatbag

>>137979211
Why is the baby attached to her rib cage?

>>137989482
Once again, not a communist- fuck that shit. I'm more of a centerist, but it's not a fucking flag option, but you /poltards make your conclusions first, then try to justify it.
Either way, you're obviously triggered, just like the rest of your trap loving butt-buddies here.

>>137980125
Overpopulation is only a problem in shithole countries like china, india, and most of africa, we in the west are fine

>>137989627
The point is that you don't serve grains with toast, toast comes from grains. People can absolutely survive with grains. Or we could use the extra space to plant other things, like rice which is one of the easiest things to grow. By eliminating factory farming of even just cows, we could easily feed the world and also shut people up about global warming, since farming cows is worse than all cara/trucks, planes, and trains combined.

>>137989411
So since "god" is an object, then he MUST have a location...where is that exactly?

>>137989878
Fuck off retard. You're worse than a commie because you idealogy doesn't make sense(anarchist socialist)

Pro abortion really don't need a bunch of niglets and single mothers. Doctors should also HEAVILY suggest tube tieing.

I could have been aborted... My Mom and grandparents saved my life because muh Christianity.

So I would never abort a child and would ensure that if I get kids with a woman that the woman isn't a piece of shit.

>>137990110
Heaven. He also was on earth

Luke 24:39
Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.

>>137990102
I can't argue much with your point about sustainability, but grains are NOT food to humans. Food is what we can eat raw.

>>137989878
You must understand, we are overwhelmed with lefty/pol/ crossposters bringing with their absolutely buttfuck retarded ideologies with them.
I don't believe anarchy can work either, but at least you aren't trying to somehow marry the ultimate Centralization of Government Power and Tyranny, with complete absence of Government. You may actually win at the end of this century, at least whilst the ponzi scheme of the West implodes.
I will never understand Anarcho-Communists.

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>>137988122
>>137989878
>>137990110

>tries to act smart
>doesn't know what "per capita" means

>>137990302
I wonder how many staunch pro-choice advocates are descended by people in worse circumstances than them but chose to carry their ancestors anyway.
Really roasts your almonds.

>>137990335
We can eat raw meat though. Just you shouldn't.

>>137990346
With you on that- both sides are fucked. Honestly, if I really had to place myself politically, I'd be Libertarian leaning. I'm about personal freedom, and small government...
Stay the fuck out of my business, religion, and bedroom.

>>137979211
Man wants a child, women doesn't - abortion
Woman wants a child, man doesn't - man has to pay alimony for the kid

By the way, I still support abortion because abortion significantly lowers the negro birth rate.

>>137979211
It's my cummies, I should have a say
>in b4 it's her sperm now because it's in her body
So if she gets raped, she can't say it's the other guy's sperm since it's in her too now right?

>>137990335
Food is whatever we can live off of. We can live off of a lot of grains. Of course eating just grains would not be healthy for us, but there is a benefit to them.
>>137990608
We can eat raw beef, and of course certain seafood. But you should never eat other meat raw. Chicken can easily kill you if it isn't cooked properly, and pork has all kinds of bacteria. There's a reason why the bible says you should eat pig.

>>137990502
I totally understand what "per capita" means....the /poltard I was replying to literally said "more black women" which is objectively false. 50% of 60% is greater than 40% of 14%....get it?

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>>137990622
>getting mad

>>137980125
Become an hero and save the world then bruh

>>137991025
Not mad at all bro, I'm having a great time. I have really great conversations on 4chan from time to time. No one bringing down a fucking banhammer when shit gets real.

>>137990953

so you're just a nitpicky faggot then rather than an illiterate one, fair enough

>>137990929
*should not eat pig

>>137979211
The best argument I heard:

If we can agree that aborting a baby one day before birth is murder, then at what point between conception and birth does that fetus become a person? There is no specific event that happens in this period, so either the baby is a person from conception or not a person until natural birth.

>>137980125
Take one for the team and kill yourself then.

>>137979211
Its not her body tho its the babys body

>>137991223
No, not picky, but wording can make or break an argument.

>>137990953

wait no, you still don't get it.

>50% of 60% is greater than 40% of 14%

are you trolling me right now? the data says 50% of total abortions in the u.s. are done by white women, 40% are done by black women. understand?

>>137979211

An unborn baby is an innocent human life. To kill innocent human life is murder. Therefore, abortion is murder. QED.

>>137991243
A lot of the far left wants it to not be consider killing a person until after they are birthed. You see how many advocated there are for late term abortion. This limit on when you can get an abortion isn't there because you magically turn into a person after a specific amount of days, it's there to get people used to it so they can keep pushing and pushing until there is no limit.

I don't really get it to be honest with the shills here. It's illegal to perform a Self-Abortion, and throw the baby in the garbage. http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/health/2011/12/02/woman-charged-with-self-abortion-after-fetus-found-in-trash/
However, it is legal for another person to kill the baby in the womb.
Should be the other way around really.

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>>137981712
>pic related

>>137990929
Sure we "can" live off of grains...but it's not good for us. Vegetables, leafy greens, and the few meats we can catch in the wild are the perfect balance. Show me someone who lives purely on grains.

>>137991243
This is what convinced me, if the process is left uninterrupted then its a baby. Killing said baby is infanticide and you are lower than shit. If it is interrupted then there is a telling and clear absence of baby. You are a stunning and brave womyn who deserves nothing but understanding and praise.
Adopt. Send off. By all means get rid of them if you can't stand them. But don't kill them.

>>137980721
i had a condom break once, you wanna know what i did? i got up, i walked to CVS, and i shelled out $50 for a morning after pill, why wouldn't you do that too? its better than waiting for life to start and killing it, instead how about just don't make life when you don't want it

>>137991861
Yes, I've said this. We agree here. You need a variety to be healthy, but you could still feed people in starving nations with the grains we use to farm animals. But of course it would be more wise to grow more fruits and veggies and some more trees. We'd be so much better off if we banned factory farming cows. It would slow global warming, give us more food and water (one glass one milk takes 60 glasses of watet) and it would make fruits and veggies cheaper since they would be grown more.

>>137979211
It is possible it is not her body, therefore the conditional "her body, her choice" begs the question and your conclusion that it's ok to kill unborn children remains unsupported.

>>137991620
Man I'd facepalm with a fucking grenade if I wouldn't die.

It's simple math.

60% of 50 is 30...representing white women abortions.

40% of 14% is 5.6....representing black women abortions.

So for every 30 white women that abort....there are 6 (we're rounding up, here) black women that abort.

>>137981109
Realized recently that trying to convince someone to change their religious beliefs will never work as there is really no proof of any religious system being correct. Don't bother trying either way, people will find their faith if they are looking. But nothing you can do or say will convince anyone to look, it needs to come from within.

>>137979211
Abortion should not be a way to easily avoid the natural consequences of poor decisions. Abortion and planned parenthood was implemented by the left to control the black population. That is a fact. A father should have rights to the child. Most good men would choose to carry the child to term instead of abortion, but cannot. Equal right girls means a father of an unborn child should have a say in abortion. Yes I support a court ordered birth and penalties for women that try to endanger the life of the unborn child when ordered to carry to term. Remember girls it is no longer your body when another life inhabits your womb. Most abortions are poor choices made by weak minded women.

>>137992394
That's also just your personal experience. The failure rate of condoms is only 2 percent, and a lot of the time it's because they were used wrong. The vast majority of people won't be as unlucky as you, so condom failure shouldn't even be considered for an argument.

>>137992522
That's your per capita statistic....either way, you're wrong. MORE white women abort than black women, no matter how you try to slice the math...it's a fucking fact.

>>137991691
murder is illegal and abortion is not

>>137979211
>because it's her body

following this logic the father and the brothers of the baby should heve the right to abort too.

>>137992394
Besides you killed it when it was alive

>>137979211
as a refugee from the left, i have a hard time with this one too...

>>137979211
>ladies choice
>it's her body

A mother should always put the needs of her baby first otherwise shes a very bad person. Once a woman becomes pregnate, it's not her body anymore, its the babys.

Women who get abortions should be tattooed so that men can see how terrible she is and not make the mistake of marriage with her.

>>137992874
because of faggot liberals

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Because life is not inherently valuable.

I love abortion since it's a legal genocide on future criminals, children of single mother scum, poor retards and brown people

reminder abortion kills half of the black population in the US, but christcuckolds want to stop it because of their arab jew book that says nothing about when you get your soul but actually encourages causing miscarriages in women who got pregnant from an affair

>>137979211
I do support it but not because "muh body muh choice" Its mainly niggers and liberals getting abortions which Im fine with.

>>137979211

WHAT RACE IS IT

>>137993010
You are confusing a woman with a mother. They are different creatures. A woman is self centered and selfish. A mother is a nurturing FEMALE that puts the well being of another life before her own.

>>137992836
true the chances are incredibly low, but even if other issues happen, the morning after pill is still an option

>>137992912
care to explain how? it takes 2-3 days for the sperm and egg to fuse, modern morning after pills just change a woman's hormones temporarily so that wont happen, they wont work if you use them after conception, and we used it within 6 hours of sex

i should clarify some of the older morning after pills were different and would abort a baby, but those have gone away because they were painful for the women who used them

>>137981109
Still no concrete evidence of evolution either. Come back when you finally figure out that missing link. I'd also like to know why all the things in between us and monkeys are no longer around, but all these different monkeys still are. And why is a God creating things so crazy to believe, but believe that there was nothing and somehow nothing created an explosion that created things. I'd say it's more faith to believe that everything from created by nothing, not a god.

I support the death sentence for those who commit crimes, not the crime of existing inside a girl whose chooses ending a life before it's started instead of putting them up for adoption.

>>137979211
>Why is it wrong?
If an unborn child can be considered human, then it is objectively murder.

That said, at the early stage of existence, it has less cognitive sentience than an insect. So... given that it's the choice between squashing an insect before it becomes human, or overpopulating your country with shitheads raised by degenerates that don't even WANT to be parents.

Fuck it, lesser of two evils.

>>137979211
the childs body. their choice

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>>137979211
Because actions have consequences. And women in the first world are free of all consequences when it comes to children and family. Not a conservative either.

>>137993487
You're still interrupting a process that would have resulted in a baby given time, had the egg and sperm fused. I'll grant it's a better option and culture than the one the progs are cheering and screaming for, but ultimately the Sexual Revolution was like acid on the glue of society.

>>137979211
>It's a ladies choice if she wants an abortion because it's her body.

Are you your mother's body?

But we need all these refugees and immigrants right, for economic reasons like Salon said?

>>137979211

From a moral standpoint, it's the safe option.

If the fetus is endangering the mother's life, everything else become a moot point, because pretty much all but the most fanatic pacifists believe it's acceptable to kill to defend yourself.

But once you step outside that into other reasons, things get tricky. You have to decide at what point that thing growing inside a woman becomes a human being, because once it is, offing it is murder.

>>137981555


what am I looking at Anon?

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>>137979211

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The embryo when it formed at conception has it's DNA contributed from both the mother and the father. The zygote has a unique set of genes that do not mirror the mother or the father this cellular mass whether you define it as a human life or not (which I do) is not a part of the mother's body. It is not just another organ it's a distinct organism that just so happens to be gestating in the bitch at the time.

>>137993773
but by that logic so is a condom or birth control, something i think we all agree is needed or America would be overpopulated with googles in no time at all

If you have an elective abortion with no medical/rape excuse you should legally have to have your tubes tied.

>>137994287
Agreed

>>137994165
And what's the liberal's master solution for everything? Call it names. That unborn child is thusly a parasite and all parasites can morally be killed.

>>137982136
>logical
cmon man there is no logical choice in this matter. only an expedient one involving the death of the future child or their possibly horrible life. your choice.

>>137979472
*murder

>>137993920
>mfw abortion, mass migration and aging population are espoused by the same people fearing overpopulation
I can't handle the doublethink lads.
I just can't.

>>137994240
I do agree with that, I'm just noting that there is a reason rampant sex and its worship is denounced and furiously railed against by every nation on the planet that has had longterm sustainability.
Rampant sex culture is a negative, though I freely admit it's just ingrained and apart of Modernist life now. I don't know if there is anyway to reverse it.
Just ride the tiger and seek someone else choosing a better path.

>>137986195
eagle eggs are from an endangered species. humans aren't endangered and we could use less of them, especially those who will not be raised correctly and will have horrible lives.

>>137986209
by your logic you would have the baby choose its own method of upbringing, nutrition, education, etc. since it's their body.

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>>137994700
Captcha fucked my face

>>137979211
I support abortion up to week 25 of a pregnancy. At that point the fetus meets the medical definition of being alive, even if it is not capable of surviving outside her mothers body yet.

>>137981244
there is no inherent purpose in sex. we don't come with instructions and don't let anyone fool you saying they know god because he either doesn't exist or doesn't give a shit about us. (if he did give a shit we would be living in paradise.) there are various effects and it is up to us to decide which we want it for.

breeding is a civic duty like working, voting and jury duty.

you make sacrifices to live in a society. you forgo that duty you forfeit your rights.

>Why is this wrong?

because you can't have choice with no responsibility.
if it was your choice to get knocked up, its your responsibility to raise a child.

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>>137979211

>>137995188
Sex is for breeding not fun. Its how species have populated the earth.

>>137994777
>Those who will not be raised correctly and will have horrible lives
This is the hard determinist view that every pro-choice advocate who follows their ideology to its logical conclusion. You're raised in a broken home and thus must be broken too. Better be rid of you than deal with you. Love and tolerance everyone.

This doesn't hold up. The overwhelming amount of people born in the world today have an ancestor in worst circumstances but still chose to carry. History is filled of people from humble or even terrible circumstances who go on to do great things.

You can have an absolute shit childhood with beatings and abuse abound, but you can still rise above it. People have. Those who have been thrown away for convenience could have.

Dire circumstances doesn't mean death would be better. Rich men can still commit suicide, poor men can still act and be respected as kings.

>>137995209
This Korean knows. Look at what's happening to the Chinese once they implemented the one child policy, they have a colossal economic nuke on a timer in their nation.

>>137979211
Because abortion is eugenics. And eugenics are for Nazi's.

>>137995298
people don't understand this. the population must be taught with the least amount of human suffering. when an irresponsible woman has a baby girl, that baby girl does the same thing and the process repeats itself until abortion comes in and stops the cycle.

>>137994700
i can agree with that, I've only ever been with one person, granted I've been with that person for 6 years, and i find anyone who's been with more than 3 people disgusting, we actually plan to have lots of children, but were waiting until we get done with college and have a bit in the bank first, gonna try bring them up well not in the slums you know? so condoms and if needed morning after pills for now

>>137979211
W H A T R A C E I S T H E B A B Y

>>137979211
Friendly reminder /pol/
do not call it abortion
you know exactly what it is
These faggots called war vets baby killers
I think it's time we label the actual ones in the country

Aren't something like 40% of abortions done by black women? We should be for this as it keeps the black population down.

>>137995784
And yet Detroit is still ruins.
The cycle isn't fucking stopped because abortion rates go up, high abortion rates are one of the biggest signs in history of a society on the wain and decline. Happened in the Roman Empire, happened in the Soviet Union, happening in the most corrupt states and cities in the USA.

>>137979211
I do, on the condition that she be severely punished. Whores must pay for their sins with pain and screams.

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>>137995298
Nobody likes abortion until it's their fucking child

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/08/from-trump-aide-to-single-mom/536892/

>Be Jason Miller
>Be a conservative supporter and Trump Communications Strategist
>have affair with a dumb spic bitch
>knock her up
>"WTF I LIKE ABORTIONS NOW you need to have an abortion bitch"

Hypocrites, every single one of them.

>>137979211
It's my paycheck, why can the government take part of it away from me? Why am I required to pay child support, just to feed a bunch of dumb kids I don't even want? They're not even old enough to talk, why should I even consider them persons? I was going to use that money to go to school. I'm not ready to have kids at this point in my life. My bank account, my rights. Why is letting my children starve wrong?

Why is abortion wrong? Because sometimes you have duties. That's the other side of the coin that is ethics. There are rights, and there are duties. A living human being with a brain and a heart and all that, or even the precursor tissues, has a right to normal development and a shot at life. This is probably the clearest instance of natural law you will ever see. If you're healthy and pregnant, it's your duty to bring that child to term and give birth to it. You don't have the right to kill it. Another human can only be morally killed in just war, capital punishment following due process of law, or self defense.

Just war and capital punishment obvioiusly do not apply to abortion. What about self defense? Having read the Guttmacher stats, I know well over 90% of abortions are for selfish reasons. Only a very small percentage are done for rape or the mother's health or the other edge cases the pro-abort side always trots out. So the self-defense excuse is not generalizable to all abortions. I think most pro-lifers would happily exempt abortions done to save the mother's life, and many would exempt abortions for rape or incest on the grounds that allowing the pregnancy to continue perpetuates the physical harm inflicted by the rape itself.

That's a very brief overview of the ethical concerns, though I didn't get into the metaphysical weeds about what makes a human a person. Suffice to say, most of the usual ideas (birth, awareness, self-consciousness) are problematic because they are arbitrary or they would allow abortion of babies and young children.

>>137979211
Dear liberals why do you support abortion? It's a child's life being ended. Why is it okay to take that child's life away? Why is murder acceptable?

>>137979211
I do support the right to abortion.

It's a shame you mom didn't exercise that right.

>>137979211
Killing people is bad.

>>137979211

>Her
>fetus ODY
>her
>choice

That doesn't even make sense, women are fucking stupid

>>137995614
simple stats show that people without abusive childhoods grow up to be better people with better lives (it's logic really). because you are pro life you want people in our world to suffer more because of their parents' mistakes. poor people commit suicide more than rich people and just saying that rich people still sometimes commit suicide doesn't mean that it's not worth going through just because there's a chance. you're using the same argument against yourself really.

you want those hardworking individuals who worked their ways out of horrible childhoods to have their life work pay off for nothing when their ancestors end up having kids when they are not prepared to support families? what kind of bullshit is that?

>>137996395
/thread
thanks canada

>>137985564
Take away the gibs and watch how they magically stop having kids.

>>137979211
because you're a nigger

>>137979211

Babies body, babies choice.

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>>137979211
Because conservatives would rather use more tax dollars to feed more bastard children or let them starve to fucking death or worse have them turn to fucking criminals who have to be fed and housed in jail for the rest of their lives before giving a woman the choice to do what she wants with her bo... oh wait

They care about the child while it's in her body but after that they don't give a shit.

Conservative logic, everyone...

>>137996395
Has no conscious, no sense of being, has no idea it even exists. Who fucking cares? Why do people wnat the world to be overcrowded even more? lmao

>>137996792
>Has no conscious, no sense of being, has no idea it even exists.
Neither do you when you are asleep.

If that is our criteria for acceptable termination of human life then you have no objection to your mother dying in her sleep tonight if you do not reply to this post.

>>137996438
Nigga I know the stats, but the exception that flips off the extreme circumstances is one worth keeping. How do you not understand this?
I don't want people to suffer more, but if they aren't allowed to live they can't suffer nor feel joy. You're like the jrpg villian who will end the world to stop the suffering from continuing. Insane.

Your last two sentences I honestly can't make sense of. Did you mean descendants when you wrote ancestors? Their life work would go on because they are dead, but their children now have free-reign to reap whatever future based on their decisions.

>>137995547
who says that our purpose is to populate the earth? the psychopathic abrahamic god? or vishnu? or zeus, or cronos? which absurd belief do you subscribe to? because they are all utterly meaningless when you really think about it.

>>137996792

Therin lies the root of the dilemma. Not everyone agrees precisely when that clump of cells becomes a person.

>>137996289
>>137979211


Primum non nocere. Primum non nocere is a Latin phrase that means "first, do no harm." ... Non-maleficence, which is derived from the maxim, is one of the principal precepts of bioethics that all healthcare students are taught in school and is a fundamental principle throughout the world.

You are harming a forming human by performing an abortion.

Possession is 9/10 the law. She whose womb possesses a seed has proprietary dominion over it.

This is a property issue, lads.

>>137996682
Cut gibs and don't behave like a whore. Kill rapists and spite them by being someone your mother could love.
Be responsible and don't reward the irresponsible.
There. That's the logic.

>>137979708
Explain.

>>137997119
That's retarded lad, by that logic a child can be freely murdered by their parents because it's their house.

>>137996999
I never stated purpose you illiterate imbecile. It is how the earth is populated. EAT A DICK! We breathe oxygen not out of necessity but because it feels good.

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>>137983619
>>137986209
>>137987834
>>137994027
alright faggots, you want to play the technicality game

if the baby is not "her body" then why does it have to stay inside of her body for 9 months?

if she doesn't want it there she can get rid of it

no one is obligated to be a host to another life, if that baby can't survive outside of her body too bad it can't stay where it is not wanted

>>137979211
"Practice two things in your dealings with disease: either help or do not harm the patient"

The doctor has two patients. The mother and the child.

You are not to do harm to the child.

>>137996682
>They care about the child while it's in her body but after that they don't give a shit.

Last time I checked, we have laws requiring parents to house, clothe, educate, feed, and provide medical care for their children, and we provide tax benefits to parents and many programs to help them raise their children such as WIC, public schools, charter schools, school vouchers, Medicaid, TANF, and SNAP. (Not to mention the many private efforts of churches and civic groups.) There's some debate about whether or not any given program is effective, or which level of government should administer it, but on the whole conservatives support laws that benefit children. So I don't buy the tired old accusation that conservatives don't care about children.

>>137996010
you don't have a fix to the problem so i suggest you find another solution before you try to replace the one that is already in effect (loosely speaking). (it's also kinda working too)

maybe not arresting blacks for smoking weed is a good idea. it would have prevented what nigger culture has become today. before the drug war in the 80s the black family was on the rise but now it's all fucked because the government decided drugs were bad just like alcohol was bad back in prohibition days, but now it has subsequently fucked the black family. we need to fix it one way or another if we're gonna have a good time.

>>137986731
Then you sticking your cock in a bunch of women has a consequence, and you have to pay child support you dumb fuck.

>>137997378
Because she chose to participate in activities that resulted in that babies body being inside of her. Personal responsibility, learn it nigger.

>>137997119
People aren't property. We had a war to decide that. Though you might have forgotten, since a couple statues fell down.

>>137997280
you said sex is for breeding, following it with the statement that it's how we got here today, implying that the purpose of our species is to populate.

now you've just said it yourself. we breathe oxygen because it feels good and because it keeps us alive. you can say the same of sex. just because we're smart enough to not let mother nature trick us into raising a child doesn't mean we should not do it if we really want to.

>>137994439
People living off the government programs are more a legit parasite. By liberal logic, we should murder them.

>>137997546
Source on it working.
I'm serious, show me a city with an ultra-high abortion rate with a fast decreasing crime rate.
This is fucking hard determinism, essentially shoot the poor before they inevitably commit crime. It's the destruction of the community which has done this, everybody is bowling alone.
Agreed on the drug war being handled in the worst possible way though. Quotas for arrest should be fucking impeachable.

>>137997272
Sure is, anon. But it's law. kek...Best emancipate or turn 18 before one's parents kill them with child obesity problems or worse

>>137997717
try again sweetie, women do not have to host something inside them if they don't want to

you can have as much sex as you want nothing changes that fact

>>137998132
For now. Trump will be making sure the supreme Court changes that soon.

>>137997439
>Last time I checked, we have laws requiring parents to house, clothe, educate, feed, and provide medical care for their children

But you know some people are too stupid to do this

>we provide tax benefits to parents and many programs to help them raise their children such as WIC, public schools, charter schools, school vouchers, Medicaid, TANF, and SNAP

Conservashits oppose all this and try to cut benefits on a regular basis

Look, not a leftist view, or a conservative view. It's what makes sense.

If a dumb crack whore bitch is going to have a little fucking hellspawn that's going to be a fucking drain on the economy and get pushed through the school system until he drops out and ends up holding MY son at gunpoint then gets thrown in jail for the rest of his days for killing someone, hopefully nobody I love, suffering all his life and becoming nothing but a burden on society then suddenly abortion doesn't look that crazy.

Better yet, birth control education but you know a lot of these idiots won't go through with any of it and it'll just go in one ear and out the other.

>>137998116
No. You get done in for murder. Because a human being is not a chair.

>>137998132
Fine women don't have to host something inside them.

However, a doctor can do no harm to the child.

>>137997160
Easy to say, but how are you going to realistically impose this on the dumb meth whores of the world who will raise a hellspawn that will hold your son up at gunpoint and end up in jail from murder?

>>137998290
Should we start murdering people at 65?

>>137998267
Nigga I'm as pro-life as they come, but Roe v Wade is here to stay for the next few decades at least.
The perfecting of the artificial womb will essentially sink this debate, the ultimate compromise. Generations of people who would have been killed in a more savage time now voting according to their interests and writing history as the demographic victor.
Pro-choice will go down as hideous villains.

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>>137979211
fuck you op

>>137979211
estrogen based parasite.

>>137997759
So you're larping as a leftist while arguing that a woman doesn't have a proprietary agency to decide to have an abortion?

>>137998484
>comparing apples and oranges

Yes because 65 year old people are inside a woman's stomach and part of her body

>>137997852
No you imply purpose not me. Sexual reproduction...... key words. Sex is natural and has consequences. We breathe oxygen because we have to. I ask that you stop breathing for a day. Mother nature did not trick you. Mother nature determines your life. We do not own or control this world we live on. Your ego will be your downfall.

>>137998750
They were 65 years ago.

>>137998797
again,
>conservashit logic

>>137998381
doctor can do whatever the patient wants

>>137998750
>going to be a fucking drain on the economy and get pushed through the school system until he drops out and ends up holding MY son at gunpoint then gets thrown in jail for the rest of his days for killing someone, hopefully nobody I love, suffering all his life and becoming nothing but a burden on society then suddenly abortion doesn't look that crazy.


Old people will be a drain on society and run me over with their car? Why is it wrong to kill them?

>>137998876
>this is considered a rebuttal in Prog studies