Which came first? Fascism or Communism?

>>137976192
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/50/842
fuck off communism is literally illegal.

jews, jews

Neither are reactions to either. They emerged independently from the bitter, resentful detritus of society that envisioned "utopia" states that would do everything for them instead of seeking their own success.

>>137976192
Fascism is a reaction to Communism.
Natsoc is a reaction to Communism.
Communism is the root of all evil in modern society

>>137976192
The kids on both sides are not practicing communists or fascists. Shit's a federal republic, senpai.

>>137976865

well this is certainly no longer LARP Admiral

Liberty. 1776, bitch.

>>137976192
Fascism inspired Roman Empire.
Communism tried to destroy nobility from Roman Empire call it borgues.

>>137976303
/thread

Communism has been around since the early 1800s, Fascisms roots come from around the end of the 1800s

>>137976192
Neither, they are both both Hegelian, one could argue that German National Socialism owes a lineage through Nietzsche, but that is difficult to argue after the death of the Revolutionary Conservative Movement and Prussian socialism.
>>137976526
t. actual idiot
>>137976865
>everything is America
>>137977669
Fascism (or rather fascistoid thinking) specifically opposes bourgeoisie values, read Sorel, D'Annunzio, Evola.

Bourgeoisie = Diseased, effeminate, liberal capitalist values (shopkeepers contra aristocrats)

>>137976450
How does an anCap take back their culture though, the marxists will always have the anCap/libertarian/conservative beaten? I know how a NatSoc would beat the marxists though.

>>137978361
>How does an anCap take back their culture though
The marxists are loaded into helicopters and dropped from height, without parachutes.

>>137978452
That sounds just as unatainable as a utopia

>>137976192
Jesus fucking Christ why can't people distinguish between fascists and NatSoc? THOSE ARE TWO DIFFERENT IDEOLOGIES, YOU GODDAMN UNEDUCATED MASSES!!!!!

>>137980665
Schlomo, they're gaslighting. Don't you know? Did you skip synagogue?

>>137980665
Primarily because everyone, including academics glibly interchange "fascist" and "fascistoid".

>>137978286
Marxism stems from Hegel but the tenets of Communism come earlier

>>137980828
>>137980989
I'm a history student and it pisses the fuck out of me when people say NatSoc and Fascism are the same thing. It equally pisses me when people don't know why some might hate Commie symbols and see them just as bad.

>>137976192
communism, Solomon was the first communist

Collectivism came first.

Then sprang up both of its wings, the Left and the Right.

>>137981083
Let us not argue semantics when you know just as well as I do that he meant Marxism and presumably has no interest in the history of communal ideology, I mean if you want to go that route we can argue that fascism originates in the bronze age at the very latest.

>>137981217
I mean, your people did this so...

>>137981217
Communist symbols just represent the ideology, you don't need to pair it with the historical countries like the USSR.

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>>137981481
Western Kikes are not "my people"

>>137981384
You're a faggot
Marxism came first
Then it devoured the left in nihilistic collectivism when everyone was sedate and inattentive

The only way to fight it was with a equally extremist ideology: traditional collectivism: like the Romans. Also known as National Socialism
Fascism is only ever a response to Communism rampant out of control

>>137981711
They invented a lie to found the country in which you currently live. Like it or not, they are "your people". Your tribe, so to speak.

>>137981623
>Communist symbols just represent the ideology
Yeah, which is total shit

>>137981799
No, they didn't, only ones who built my country are the Jews who were willing to come here and then work and fight for it.

>>137982074
>then work and fight for it.
stealing is work

>>137982074
The only reason they were given the land was because of muh six gorillion.

>>137981758
Fuck you Fascist Moron.

Both of your groups are Collectivists.

At the core of your Philosophy is the Forced or Coerced Altruistic Sacrifice of the Individual in the name of the Greater Good.

>>137982195
>>137982274
We asked for it nicely and received it legally, not our fault Arabs can't honor deals

>>137982274
That and the brits not wanting to deal with housing refugees. Funny, eh?

>>137982275
>thinking that an AnCap paradise is possible
>cucking to minority races hoping one day they repay you only to be demanded more of; give them and inch, thy take a mile
>believing any sort of anarchy can exist while being able to combat degeneracy and protect from invaders
Ancaps are Semper Fi fatshit LARPing morons who only want to revert the playing fields so they can become monarchs. There is a reason your type is despised in the Prepper community

>>137982473
>asked for it nicely
>received it legally
You mean the British said "fuck off Mudslimes, its the Jews land now." So fair, so nice, so legal.
>not our fault Arabs can't honor deals
>honor deals
That is fucking RICH, Ezra

um, since we started on defense, that by default means the commies were offense, hence they started this shit. Thats okay tho, we know what to do.

>>137981894
Yeah but you can't really say that public capital ownership is inherent evil

>>137982896
That and the UN vote :^)

>>137983028
>Public
The public doesn't own shit

>>137983121
So basically what we can gather from your posts is "I am a heeb and I know I am but I have to be a self-hating kike so I make pretend like there's some difference between Jews to seem enlightened."

God I'm so glad you lot are fated to burn in hell. That's the only thing that helps me sleep at night.

>>137983317
Jokes on you, I don't believe in hell :^)

Fascism is self defence against Communism.

>>137983594
>Israeli
>Jewish
>Athiest
I don't know what I expected
Why do Christians bend over backwards and take multiple dicks in the ass for you

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>>137976192
Communism came first. Fascism sprang out of it, partially as a reaction and partially as an extension. Read Mussolini. There's a hair length's of difference between the two ideologies.

>>137980665
seems to me like Fascism can be stapled onto any ideology that has room for it

>>137982473
>not our fault Arabs can't honor deals
The Arabs did not get a deal. They got an ultimatum that they rejected.

You strangely low IQ kike have to realise one simple truth. Israeli conflict can be resolved in one of three ways. Violent destruction of Israel. Violent destruction of Arabs (which is impossible). Or Socialist international state in Israel.

>>137983919
>Hair lengths of difference
Marxism is more than a "hair lengths difference"

>>137983594
Oh okay, and I don't believe in your lungs working. Whats that? Just because you don't believe doesn't mean its not true?

Enjoy the fire.

>>137983294
roads

>>137983772
Remember Martin Luther? Man I miss when the US actually listened to that guy.

>>137983772
Who said I'm Jewish?

>>137984007
Not stapled but it can exist without NatSoc

>>137981711
You did, Schlomo.
>>137984405
Are you going to cry out "I've been found!" now?
>inb4 "I never said I was Jewish I just implied it"
Save it for the chamber

>>137976192
>>137976192
Considering Mussolini, the creator of modern fascism, was originally a socialist. Your question has an obvious answer with minimum thought.

>>137984405
it can
theoretically any ideal that isn't explicitly globalist, individualist or pacifist can also be fascist
NatSoc can exist without Fascism but it seems there is a lot of overlap between the two, back in WWII and today

>>137976192
Communism came first, fascism is some weird demented perversion that actually came from communism.

>>137976192
Socialism was a reaction to capitalism (socialism came before communism.)
Communism was the Marxian version of socialism and also a reaction to capitalism.
Fascism was a reaction to communism.
NatSoc was the German version of fascism and also a reaction to communism.

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>>137977410
Don't Tread On Me.

Don't tell me how to live my fucking life.

>>137984031
Exactly, they had no choice and should have dealt with it. Looks like they lost ten folds in the long run because of their barbarism.

>>137984041
You do know I don't care, right?

>>137984075
...are shit in post commie counties.

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>>137984166
Martin Luther was a cuck when he first started trying to reform the Jews but his exposure to their cancer quickly made him become one of the most prominent Anti-Semites of the Reformation
(((Strange))) why you never hear that talked about in (((modern))) Christian circles
>yfw the biggest Anti-Semite of the 1900s was a Romanian named Cornel Codreanu who literally named his "National Socialist" party the National Christian Defense League

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>>137984895
They've got some similar roots, yes.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D6uXE42jhrQ&t=1172s

>>137984952
that work until people start questioning if "living your life" messes with their "living their life"


>I WANT GUNZ JUS LIVING MUH LIFE


>WTF I HATE GUNZ JUS LIVING MUH LIFE

it's pretty childish ideology that won't ever really work

JEWS
THREAD
CHECK EM

>>137985030
>Exactly, they had no choice and should have dealt with it. Looks like they lost ten folds in the long run because of their barbarism.
Something like that was said in Roman times about the Jews. Except that there were several million of Jews and a billion of Arabs. Are you blind to the irony of history?

>>137985030
So when the Romans conquered Juda, that was the same thing right? Oh wait no, muh conquerers muh evil tyrants! You asked how I know you're a jew, that's how.

>>137984596
Come get me fgt

>>137984801
There is an overlap because both h Mussolini and Hitler found themselves in very similar situations after the war, each developing his own ideology and eventually 'uniting' due to opposite ideologies from birth sides

>>137976192
Communism but Natsoc and commies are born of the same cloth. Both are based on State control.

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>>137981623
>Communism symbols just represent Communism. You don't need to compare it to communism.

Dude. We're talking about whether or not an idea actually works.

And this one fucking doesn't.

If your car doesn't have a good track record, you don't go to high-end races.

>>137985773
That explains the overlap from then
What about now?

>>137985545
And the Jews then we're better off under Roman rule and shouldn't have rebelled like fanatics

>>137985638
The Romans did nothing wrong though

>>137985849
It does work. Socialism works. Capitalism created a large class divide. It clearly isn't ideal.

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>>137976192
>what came first

the excesses of agriculture

>>137985983
Now people are lost. During the Cold War where was a clear indication on US and THEM, after the USSR fell it became more difficult to define who is US, and as time went by many forgot why there was a cold war in the first place.

>>137986016
>Socialism works
Ahahahahahahahahahaha!

>>137986016
You red nigger, I came from the USSR, it doesn't work.

>>137986016
There will always be strata in society. People will be limited by their own abilities. Communism/Socialism basically say "fuck you, you stay where you're born." Capitalism at least gives the opportunity for upward progression.

My grandparents showed up here with nothing, worked so my parents could have a better life, who worked so I could have an even better life. In Communism I'd just be another coal miner because that's what my grandfather was.

Kill yourself.

>>137986016
no doubt anon unregulated black markets are what cause a large income divide, corporatism din du nuffin ta cauwse dat

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>>137984035
No it isn't. Both are collectivist, authoritarian ideologies. The only difference is one has a preference for nationalism and the other has a preference for internationalism.

Neither one of them give a fuck about human rights or rule of law. Neither one of them care about me, they just want to tell me how to live in my own home. Why even bother being alive.

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>>137976192
Fascism came first (in the form of the Roman Empire), then Communism, then Natsoc.

>>137986016
name one country that socialism has worked in

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>>137985364
It's worked the best so far in wealth distribution, quality of life, happiness... Abundance... Individual Freedom...

>>137986955
No, thieves came first, and they came for the nomads who settled because they learned to farm.

>>137976192
Jews

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>>137986016
Capitalism made everyone richer than you ever.

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>>137987223
Well before there was anything, there was always the individual and his property.

>>137987117
depends on your view
If you mean elimination of poverty, illiteracy, class division, infancy death, workers exploitation, degeneration etc etc. most socialist countries "worked"

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>>137987920
In terms of lasting for any significant amount of time it sure as hell doesn't work.