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Emperor Septimus Severus was half-Libyan and some historians

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Emperor Septimus Severus was half-Libyan and some historians think his appearance might have passed for black in modern America.
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>>137865417
WE
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>>137865417
>some historians think
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>>137865463 not >>137865503 an argument
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Half libyan italian would look like a modern italian.
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>>137865857
thefore black in modern america

thanks for participating
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>>137865700
WUZ
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Roman Empire had its own Obama.
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>>137866081
strawman

im not saying black people created space ships, im saying some of them were your idolized roman emperors whiteboy
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>>137866918
>strawman
>implying one single roman emperor that nobody ever heard of COULD have been HALF black
Who's the strawman now silly negroe?
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>>137865417
Weren't there a bunch of African emperors towards the end of the empire?
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>>137865417
I hope you get dick cancer for telling all these lies on the Internet
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>>137866081

COMPOOTERZ
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>>137865417
Severus was part Phoenician, not black. Besides, why blacks would wish to be associated with the man whose terrible parenting helped create a dynasty that pushed Rome over the edge into decades of civil war from which the Pax Romana never recovered is a mystery.
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>>137865417
That is not Septimus Severus
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>>137866918
KANGZ
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>>137867193
No. Towards the end of the empire, North Africa was one of the most important tax bases for the West. The Germans invaded and created kingdoms there, which were later recovered by the Eastern Romans. Some of the Eastern Emperors were descended from the governors of this territory, but they were ethnically Roman/Greek/Armenian.
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>>137867663
[citation needed]
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>>137867923
You are being kind of a hypocrite. You have not cited any sources yourself.
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>>137868111
http://www.africaresource.com/rasta/sesostris-the-great-the-egyptian-hercules/the-black-emperors-of-rome-roman-emperor-caracalla-kara-kalla/

No need to thank me, its my pleasure to educate you son.
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>>137868206
ay yo hol up
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>>137868206
>needs a citation for the Byzantine empire
Faggot nigger
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>>137868206
>http://www.africaresource.com/

HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!

Good meme. They also claim that Julius Caesar is black too. MANN WE WUZ KANGZ OF ROMANZ AND SHIEET.

>https://www.africaresource.com/rasta/sesostris-the-great-the-egyptian-hercules/was-julius-ceasar-white-not-on-your-life-the-african-roots-of-rome-and-the-wrongly-painted-ceasar-by-masach/
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>>137868636
So you be sayin?
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>>137865417

>>137867193

no , but some gallic ones i heard.
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>>137868636
you're clearly a victim of white supremist editing

the fact that you use an african king picture to mock me is qute ironic, considering most roman emperors looked exactly like Muammar Gaddafi
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>>137865417
The actual marble bust of Septimius Severus looks like your average Italian. That picture has nothing to do with anything you lying shitskin nigger monkey.
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>>137868717
SHEEEIT MANN!! DID U KNO THAT JESUS WAZ ALSO BLACK??? SO WUZ DEM ANCIET CHINEESE PEOPLES AND SHIEET
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>>137865417
It's also spelled Septimius not Septimus you imbecilic archaic hominid. Idiotic shitskin monkey person kys.
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>>137868834
>African King
>Gaddafi
You are really retarded aren't you?
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>>137869232
Octavius Cesar Augustus
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>>137869232
>One coin where Constantine looks black
I'll share a couple that shows he was white
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>>137869462
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>>137866378
Elagabalus
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>>137869450
SHIEEET!!!! I GOT ONE STATUE THAT BE MAKIN DEM AUGUST EMPEROR AND SHIEET LOOKING BLACK!!!!! DONT LOOK AT ALL DEM OTHER STATUES DAT BE SHOWIN HIM AZ A WHITE BOY!!!
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>>137869462
and yet
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>>137869735
OH SHITT WAITTT A MINNUTE
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>>137865417
We have statues and pictures, he looked standard Mediterranean.
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>>137870181
one could argue standard mediterraneans are a type of light skinned blacks

also you're wrong and lying
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>>137870400
Nigger faggot, i'm a standard Mediterranean and I lose my tan during winter you fucking ape
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When the romans ruled it, libyans looked like the white guy on the left. And even if he was a nigger, pretty much all his subordinates were white.
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>>137870611
You look like light skinned blacks to me, but I'm fair so its possible you have some nordic blood in you after white people destroyed afrotalian culture
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>>137865417
*Septimius
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>>137870983
Those are just niggers you stupid nigger
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>>137865417

That's not Septimus in the picture. There's just a generic fresco black guy. "Half-Libyan" in those days meant "Half-Phonecian." He was as Mediterranean as the rest of Rome. Not even sandnigger like Libya today. Blacks aren't even from Libya period at any time.
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>>137870983
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>>137871207
They are italians, if italians are blacks then you just conceded that I'm correct.
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>>137871373
Stupid retarded nigger stay in Africa nigger
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>>137865417
>some historians
Which?
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>>137872135
And with that you just lost the argument whiteboy, italy is our home too

thanks for participating
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>>137872257
Kys niggerleech schumbag
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>>137865417
>Septimus Severus

damn I was just reading about this dude and his family yesterday. Severus was one of the first emperors to be sympathetic to Christianity. his sons Gela and Caracalla were some of the WORST people in history, and his grandson, Elagabalus, tried to force the romans to switch from worshipping Jupiter to some semitic sun-god called Ba'al... and he was a huge fucking faggot who wanted someone to "furnish him with female genitalia".

The Severan dynasty was one of the worst things to happen to Rome.
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>>137865417
are we being raided? by who?
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>>137872395
remember that the british people called you "potato niggers" and there might be some truth to that claim

i can certainly perceive some light skinned african genotype in your facial features

but there's not much history about Ireland so it might always be a mistery
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>>137865417
That's not Septimius Severus. That's a Hellenistic tomb painting from Fayum in Egypt depicting an Ethiopian merchant.

You can find it in the plate section of Laszlo Torok's book, "Hellenizing Art in Ancient Nubia and Its Egyptian Models".

This is Septimius Severus. Also note how the named is spelled, OP.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Septimius_Severus
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And that is why the Roman Empire collapsed. They started to become inclusive of foreigners and gve them positions of power. He came after the great Emperors which built up the Empire, and contributed to its decline.

Thanks for bringing it up so we can learn today from the mistakes of the past.

Zero race mixing.
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Here's an actual painting of him. He just looks like your average swarthy italian
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>>137875124
He looks generic med, not really Italian but if he said he was I'd believe him.
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>>137874267
thank you for bringing literally no proof whatsoever
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ITT: people believing these statues were faithful representations of the actual individuals rather than what they wanted to represent themselves as. go watch Mary Beard lectures on this subject and then come back with a more informed opinion.
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>>137872540
*Geta

Actually, the Severan dynasty was a mixed bag, as most dynasties were. Septimius Severus is generally credited as one of the best Emperors (and probably the best from the late period). The decadence of Rome started at the end of the Republic, and one could argue that the Julio-Claudians were already as bad - if not worse - than anything that came after them. After all, they were the ones who set all the precedents.
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>>137874267
You need to go back to your history books, son.
The decline started way before the Severus dynasty. During the first triunvirate you already had barbarian chieftains in the Senate, and the policy of "romanizing" provincial leaders within the extended imperial family was a common practice that dated back to the Julio-Claudians. The edict of Caracalla was just the natural step forward in a process that had begun long before.
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>>137865417
>half-Libyan
>pre-Ottoman rule
The entire middle east and north africa was far whiter before the Ottomans shoved millions of sub-Saharan slaves into all their controlled territory.

Berbers weren't white but they sure as fuck weren't black. That's like saying Iranians are Chinese.
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>>137875124
>average swarthy italian

Or as the saying goes, "a light skinned african"
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>>137867283
AHAHAHAH
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Pescennius Niger is the only one we could say was probably black. And even that is disputed. He only ruled for a few months in the year of the five emperors.
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>>137865417
>some historians think his appearance might have passed for black in modern America.
>some
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>>137865417
< ancient libya wuz black!
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>>137877866
>we could say was probably black
Based on what? He's from an old Italian family. He absolutely was not black.
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>>137878164
looks black on the coins and the name literally means "black".
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Phillip the arab
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>>137865417
Septimius was descended from Punics Phoenicians nobility in northern africa and a Italian Roman ancestry.
He was half breed of semites and romans.

He wasn't really that good of an emperor and gave birth to two most autistic emperor in history.(especially pleb-tier Caracalla who ruined empire with giving every person in the empire citizenship...) and his nephew was a degenerate twink who was obsessed with becoming a plausible trap(Elagabalus)
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>>137878672
Sure, Geta and Caracalla are more autistic than Tiberius, Caligula, Nero, Domitian and Commodus. Good grief.
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>>137869735
WE
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>>137865417
I studied classics.. North Africa was Roman area for over 200 years when Septimus became emperor. It is highly likely that he had some Phoenician blood (which nowadays isnt a race anymore, Tunesian at best). However, this definately was not regarded as black nor would it have been now. Moreover, he was a Roman as it gets, which i guess was more important to Romans than the color of skin (except black, which historically never seemed to get credit)
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someone post the pic of the niggers who think mayan step farms are giant stairs.
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>>137878408
Shit argument.
Niger was an opponent of Albinus (which means white).
Barbarossa literally means red beard. His beard wasn't red though. He had brown hair which looked red when contrasted to his black hair.
The name russo and rossi are common Italian surnames. They mean red. It can refer to complexion, hair (like above), or maybe they drank too much and their face got red.
Russo is also the term for Russian. I can assure you the people with the last name Russo are not descended from Russians.
Mauro is also a common Italian surname, derives from moor, it can mean the person had moorish ancestry or, more likely, they had a dark complexion.
Ahenobarbus is Roman cognomen meaning red-beard, literally "bronze-beard", probably similar derivation as barbarossa.
The english surname black is an occupation name in reference to a blacksmith. Doesn't mean that they're black.
Need I continue?
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>>137879474
I always imagined Nero as a ginger fag.
If you don't, that's your problem.
We don't have proof either way of all these people's true colours and faces.
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>>137879727
>We don't have proof either way of all these people's true colours and faces.
Sure we do.
Paint gets trapped in marble and then, with computers, some of it can be unlocked even after being lost all those years ago.
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>>137878929
Not saying all Roman emperors were some great embodiment for perfection.

>Tiberius was normal emperor but a traitor who killed based god Germanicus so his kid Drusus would become next heir, but after his Drusus death became a apathetic nihilist..(We Wuz Kaizerz)

>Caligula was horrible but he has a lot of revisionism about him because he opposed rich senate and praetorian guard. There are shit tons of propaganda written about him.

>Nero was literally ancap and did nothing wrong.

>Domitian was an ok emperor but hated because once again... because he was authoritarian and opposed rich senate class...

>Commodus was uneducated larper who inherited a gigantic fathers legacy and ruined it because his "philosopher kings" daddy was "too smart to" raise a good kid.
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>>137878977
>It is highly likely that he had some Phoenician blood (which nowadays isnt a race anymore, Tunesian at best).
Some Lebanese enclaves claim to be descendant of Phoenicians
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phoenicianism
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>>137879849
Ok, so you have one of Caligula.
Now try all the other Emperors.

And this considering that it is a bust of Caligula, which it could very well not be, as Mary Beard has demonstrated in her lectures.
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>>137880228
>Now try all the other Emperors.
We don't have all of them. A lot of times the paint really is lost. We have Augustus.
We also have contemporary descriptions of them. While Suetonius was known for being gossipy, when multiple physical descriptions from different people, eras, and locations have the same or similar descriptions - odds are it's fairly accurate.
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>>137866081
Literally hijacking a white man show as your history.
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>>137880035
I know all of that, no need to make a dissertation.
I was just questioning the idea that Septimius Severus' children were "the worst emperors in history". There is nothing to suggest that. Furthermore, Caracalla can also be presented as a decent emperor if you ignore the supposed "revisionism" of his opponents. There is nothing to suggest he was any worse than Tiberius, much less Caligula or Nero.
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>>137868849
The Romans were engaged in a conspiracy to hide their blackness you Nazi shitlord.
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>>137880501
Ok, so how do you go from there to "Pescennius Niger was obviously not black"?. You can't say for sure. That was my point.
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Fucking crackers always lying.
Also Macrinus was the first pure bloded black african roman emperor.
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>>137881021
He was of an old Roman family in a time before intercontinental travel. That's how.
You sound like the morons who try to claim Mozart was black. Fuck off.
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>>137865417
>Septimus Severus
Well this is what his statue looked like.

Looked caucasoid. Also the source I found for that pic was from a black supremacist website.
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>>137881140
I don't claim Mozart was black.
I'm not interested in conspiracy theories and WE WUZ KANGZ arguments.
I just like to imagine Nero as a ginger fag and Pescennius Niger as an armoured Heathcliff.
Sue me.

Not everything is a racial issue, dumb fuck.
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>>137881362
>Not everything is a racial issue, dumb fuck.
It is when you make it.

Nero is believed to have light brown/reddish hair (or beard), so you're not entirely wrong.
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>>137881358
That's the "Antonine" look, with a beard and curly hair that some of the Severans liked to be represented as in a reference to Antoninus Pius and what they thought was the golden age of the Empire. In these busts image and filiation counts more than the actual faithful representation of the model. Take Marcus Aurelius, Antoninus Pius, Commodus and Septimius Severus and you'd have a hard time differentiating them only by looking at the faces. Commodus is usually represented with a lion skin (Hercules incarnate) and that's how you can tell it's him, but the bust could very well be some other emperor to whom the lion skin was then added. They were always tampering with pre-existent busts and statues, which makes it very difficult to tell who's who. Caracalla is perhaps the most idiosyncratic representation of, but even that bust can't be said to be Caracalla with 100% certainty.
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>>137880749
I didn't say they were "the worst emperors in history".
I said they were autistic.

Caracalla did do some good administration in city of rome and built a lot of good buildings.
But he did more bad for empire then even Caligula did and his actions prove that.

Caracalla was a very wroth and tempered emperor who made more harm to empire then good.
>Destabilised the roman military command(which added for crisis of thrid century)
>Sacked high profit egyptians cities(which added for crisis of thrid century)
>Crushed senate principate entirely(which added for crisis of thrid century)
>Made all population citizens of rome(which added for crisis of thrid century)
>Created giant tax for plebeians and after that killed them, basically robbing his citizens
>Became a "WE WUZ ALEXANDER CONQUEROR N'SHIET" and started a massive war with Persians and lost humiliatingly.
etc.
He basically led a pathway for crisis of third century which destroyed an Empire. Won't be surprised if he really was secretly a nigger.
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>>137882143
The crisis of the Third Century was pretty much inevitable, Caracalla or not.
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>>137882143
>"He wasn't really that good of an emperor and gave birth to two most autistic emperor in history.(especially pleb-tier Caracalla who ruined empire with giving every person in the empire citizenship...)"

granted you didn't say "the worst emperors", but they surely can't be counted as "the most autistic" when you had Commodus and before him about 75% of the Julio-Claudians. The only "good" dynasty was the Nerva-Antonine dynasty up until Commodus.
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>>137882575
It could have been preventable if Aurelius didn't make his shit son Commodus a heir.
Or if Alexander Severus wasn't killed by his generals(which was point of no return)
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>>137882906
I agree.
But by the time Caracalla became emperor, giving Roman citizenship to everyone was already a strategy of survival. The measures that would eventually make the empire collapse had already been taken progressively.
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>>137882855
Julio-Claudians died when Germanicus died.
Claudius was last good Julius.

The best dynasty was Flavian. Literally most redpilled dynasty.
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>>137883127
True maybe.
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When do you guys start thinking "shit, this is no longer Rome, I'm done with it"? Some people say it's the end of the Republic, others say it's the first crisis (where guys like Galba, Otho and Vitellius became emperors), other people's patience (my case) is lost when someone with a stupid name like Didius Julianus (and not an epic name like Augustus or Nero) could just buy off the senate and become Emperor.

What's your level of tolerance? Where do you draw the line?
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>>137883223
The Flavians were good, but the sample is rather small. There should've been more Flavians.
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>>137883604
180AD with the end of the principate.
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>>137883604
>>137883994
Sorry, 180 is when Marcus Aurelius died. Principate ends in 284.
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>>137865417
HOL UP
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>>137883757
>Titus only ruled for 2 years
>Flavians ended with Domitian
>Only one Flavian Colosseum was ever built
>Flavians didn't finish the merchants for good
>Vespasian will never command you to start the ancient shoah.
why live?
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>>137884197
*drops pants*
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>>137867365
>>137867663
>>137865417
>In order to maintain his enlarged military he debased the Roman currency drastically. Upon his accession he decreased the silver purity of the denarius from 81.5% to 78.5%. However, the silver weight actually increased, rising from 2.40 grams to 2.46 grams. Nevertheless, the following year he debased the denarius substantially because of rising military expenditures. The silver purity decreased from 78.5% to 64.5% — the silver weight dropping from 2.46 grams to 1.98 grams. In 196 he reduced the purity and silver weight of the denarius again, to 54% and 1.82 grams respectively.[77] Severus' currency debasement was the largest since the reign of Nero, compromising the long-term strength of the economy.
Kek. What a great Emperor. Overextended the Roman Empire with new conquests that were financially unsupportable and fucked with the currency economics.
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>>137884140
so up until 284 you're fine with it?
I think when you get to the Gordians, Valerians and Aurelians it doesn't look or sound like the Roman Empire at all.
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>>137884572
Wasn't Aurelian the only good emperor that came out from crisis of third century?
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I'd give my left nut to travel back in time and actually see what Rome was like and what the Emperors actually looked and sounded like. It's the most fascinating thing in history for me.
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>>137877406
Not even close, keep trying Alt Left
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>>137865911
Nah bullshit I know a half Lebanese Italian and he looks white
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>>137884864
Probably, but their names are so shitty and there's so very little information about them - it seems like history all of a sudden accelerates in a succession of faceless and boring Emperors - that it makes me lose interest completely.
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>>137867923
are you fucking retarded? oh wait this is a slide thread. The ostrogoths ruled north africa for hundreds of years you utter mongoloid slide thread faggot.
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>>137865463
WUZ
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>>137867365
ye

this thread was made by another jew op

they are obsessed with italians because they talked shit and got raped in 70ad

every kike on the planet goes to hebrew school and gets taught teh rome romanz are teh evil bad smart enemy

been that way for 2000 years

underage jew op is just doing what his jidf rabbi tells him to do

jews are pure subhuman trash. dumb and envious.
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>>137869232
source?
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>>137884197
how is nigeria dude? that underage aids nigga pussy treating you well? say hi to (((weev)))
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>>137883223
wrong
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>>137882855
>The only "good" dynasty was the Nerva-Antonine dynasty

lol wut the fuck? so wrong.
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>>137882079
Right but it's undoubtably a representation of what a powerful roman looked like. The pic that op posted was of a random person and it is generally accepted that north africans looked lighter before the arabs conquered the area in the 700s.
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>>137881119
niggers know they ain't ancient romans. their best chance of being roman was in the movie gladiator as a nigger slave gladiator.

this thread is always posted by an underage jew, or a (((weev))) type.
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>>137885607
Sure, I agree with you.
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>>137885208

You mean Vandals. Ostrogoths ruled Italy.
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>>137885604
The "Five Good Emperors" in succession are bang in the middle of this dynasty. It's pretty much unquestionable.
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>>137881021
you fucking retard jew keki faggot go read a book besides your talmud

jesus fuck you people are so dumb
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>>137879474
Don't forget that people with the last name Green are racially green. If your last name is Fox it means you are descended from foxes.

But yeah, for all we now, the etymology of his cognomen could have come from the fact that he or one of his ancestor's liked to wear black coats in the winter.
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>>137885946
Chill, dude. Try not to react to everything as if there's an agenda against you.
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>>137872257
What the fuck did you just said? I'm Italian and the only niggers around are refugees or people of the ex colony( Ethiopia, Eritrea and Somalia). Italians are fucking white Mediterranean and some of them, like me, descend from Austrian, especially in the north. Fuck Christ I'd seen whiter people in Italy then in fucking America. You know that when a black guy came to Pedrocca, a small village in Franciacorta in Northen Italy, all people were such astonished that everyone came to see him, because none had ever seen a black guy in real life and some of them had not seen one even in tv. Just go back to Africa you KANGZtrd
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>>137885275
KANGS
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>>137866918
>emperors, plural
>gives one example of a no name Roman ruler that no one remembers, who might have been half black
>WE WUZ KANGZ
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>>137886033
Well, there's something in Dio (I think) about the "black" referring to his "black neck". Which doesn't of course mean he was black (it's an unreliable description anyway), but it does indicate that the "Niger" part was used to refer to him, the individual, and not necessarily his family or heritage.
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>>137865417
>in modern America
That's not a good reference at all.

He was a North-African Mediterranean halfling. Not a Subsaharan negro.

Who are these historians and where do they come from?
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>>137884572
Yep. The culture is still Roman and the barbarian germans have only a foothold and not yet actually truly influencing Italy.
>>137886033
>>137886458
Black neck would be similar to red-neck. It has to do with the enviornment or occupation of the person. How could his neck be black if the rest of him isn't?
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>>137886905
"His countenance was dignified and always somewhat ruddy; 6 his neck was so black that many men say that he was called Niger on this account. The rest of his body, however, was very white and he was inclined to be fat."
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Moral of this thread
Don't trust Afro Centralist websites
No of their arguments make any sense
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>>137887218
Yep, can't be black.
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>>137887531
I'm not even sure the romans used "black" to describe what we now describe as "black people". It's a very broad word.

When describing the three candidates for Emperor, the Historia Augusta says the following:

"Best is the Dark One (Niger), the African good (Severus), but the worst is the White One (Albinus)."

"Both of the Black and the White shall the life-blood be shed all untimely;
Empire over the world shall be held by the native of Carthage (Severus)."

So "black" and "African" aren't even synonymous.
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>>137865417
>leftyfag doesn't understand the difference between Arabs and nigs because everyone who isn't blonde-haired and blue eyed is the same race
I thought we were the racist ones
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>>137865417
The ride never ends, boys.
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>>137866918
So you think black people created spaceships?
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>>137865417
>his appearance might have passed for black in modern America.
Shaun King is a pasty white dude and he passes for black according to some so that statement means nothing
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>>137888259
>I'm not even sure the romans used "black" to describe what we now describe as "black people". It's a very broad word.
They may have. Ethiopian was the most common. It means burnt-face.
Africa, in this time period, refers specifically to the former core territory of the Carthaginian Empire. The Arabs in the 700s are the ones who apply it to the continent.
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