You guys do realize that the key to destroying the Left's game

You have to use buzzwords like: love, health, positivity, etc.

To attack the Left (and play defense at the same time), you have to use words like "anglophobic" or "Caucasiaphobia", or something along these lines so as to frame the opposition as being the ones filled with hate and fear of white people just because of the color of their skin (seriously, have you guys learned nothing from the Left?).

Never play defense, always play offense--offense is your only defense. Yet your offense has to be tied to the "love" frame, not the hate frame. When attacking the Left and any opposition, it has to come from a place of "love" and "equality", not hate.

It also needs to start off without any segregation desires, ethnic state desires, "white nationalism" desires, etc. It simply has to be about white people getting together and sharing a message of love for white people, white culture, and white identity.

In fact, now is the perfect time because the frame is this: "due to the small group of hate-filled white supremacists and neo-nazis, many positive, love-filled white people have been swept up beneath this brand, in a sense, casting a negative light on all white people. So we (the movement/organization) want to help distance ourselves from these hate-filled groups and help build the positive white identity that's severely missing in this culture do to the small extreme groups out there. We’re going to be the positive change, etc. (the key thing, however, is to speak minimally about the “nazis” and “white supremacists” because just by even mentioning these groups , it ties the movement/organization to them—this is the principle of never playing defense, because defense causes you to inadvertently fall within the frame you’re trying to escape). Another line: “white” has been somehow branded as a negative term in our culture, which is really sad and obviously not right as no race should have their skin color branded as negative. So we are going to change that through positive white messaging. Just love.

Also, initially, the movement/organization needs to be so distanced from hate that it should not even focus on hate crimes committed by blacks/non-whites against whites. This is something that would be slowly added later, as the movement grows, because this part is indeed important, but this cannot be part of the initial movement/organization.

Seriously, have you guys learned nothing from the left?
Do you guys know nothing about framing?
Do you guys know nothing about subversion?

This is the key to toppling the Left. Through a positive, healthy white identity movement. The Left knows this, which is why they have done everything in their power to prevent this from happening, and which is why to this day this does not exist. We are at a time in our culture where there is a great market demand for this. Now is the time.

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>>137845878
Can't have 14 without the 88.
Left is really fucking retarded anyway.

>>137845878
wont work

they will twist everything, regardless of how hypocritical it makes them

>>137846101
>they will twist everything, regardless of how hypocritical it makes them
This.
You can't have a healthy and positive white identity movement without nazi shit, when white identity is literally nazi.

I do agree that it's a good time for tactical moderation

But this love your race stuff never works, white people don't automatically like each other all that much.

It's just that practically speaking we have to work together or we'll be living in hell on earth in like a decade

>>137846101
It's called outframing. Yes, it would work, just read about. Literally walking with a banner that reads "No supremacy, just positive white identity"

Yes, it's absolutely possible. Not only is it possible, the desire is there. It's fucking palpable. The need and want for this is there.

>>137846303
no, you're wrong. In fact, you're SO WRONG that I think you're a shill.

>>137845878
Bump

>>137846315
It's subversion. It has to start off as all positive lovey dovey 100% then it could grow. How the fuck do you think we got here where the entire culture is shitting down the throats of white people and Western Civilization is so fucking cucked. In fact, the Left STILL to this day uses this as their frame, people need to get this strategy and understand that this is how it's played.

>>137845878
Sure cia

Why dont you just dress like a bunch of antifas and cause a happening so the people start to hate them?
Is not like they register themselves on a list or something, get a mask and burn some flags while singing the internationale, would be enough to turn a few normies against them

>>137846303
white identity is not literally Nazi are you fucking retarded?

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>>137845878
>No Nazi shit. No hate.
Call (((centrist)))
>(of course the Left will try, but the organization/movement has already planned on how to outframe this attack)
why you wrote that?
>You have to use buzzwords like: love, health, positivity, etc.
read, it is done on a massive scale, you don't see it because you are left...
>Never play defense, always play offense--offense is your only defense
Never read a book on military tactics
>because just by even mentioning these groups , it ties the movement/organization to them
so, everything right of Marx will be framed as Nazi by those having the control over the informational vectors the ""majority"" consumes
>the movement/organization needs to be so distanced from hate that it should not even focus on hate crimes committed by blacks/non-whites against whites
jewish left?
>Seriously, have you guys learned nothing from the left?
more than you think, nothing you understand

Read Alinsky, maybe you get it then (((moderate)))

>>137845932
Europaphobia?

>>137847000
are you retarded? you can't even speak English or make a coherent sentence.

>>137847188
I don't think so because the messaging doesn't depict "whiteness" enough.

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>>137847192
You are an idiot who should try to convince some sceptics.

>>137845878
Exactly! These KKK types are failures in every way!
>Muh fagg Niggers XDDD

Time, time again political movements only work when showing positives from the outset.
For example, Brexit passed because EU real life shills only focused on how ebil Farage and leave voters were. Where as leave voters focused on the benefits of freedom from EU oppression.

One cannot be victorious by defining a movement on what they aren't. The KKK/NatSoc larp fags only focus in what they aren't, Normie's don't know what they are.

>>137847192
btw, why did you wrote
>(of course the Left will try, but the organization/movement has already planned on how to outframe this attack)

>>137845878
>is by having a healthy and positive white identity movement?
>No Nazi shit. No hate.
It goes to show, when the mass doesn't flow.
And then you wonder why some blacks complain about their niggers.
So have fun, you got an idea they won't listen.

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>>137845878
>White love. White positivity. No supremacy, just positive white identity.
this

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>No Nazi shit. No hate.
So no calling out those who push the leftist agenda and do not show dislike for the leftist agenda.

It is impossible to call out the leftist propagandist MSM and Democrat party leadership like Jewish Chuck Schumer, Dianna Feinstein, Adam Schiff, Al Fraken, DWS, or Bernie Sanders without being labeled antisemitic or a Nazi. Too many Jews involved at this point to for this to be possible.

The left will call any rejection of their agenda hate so diluting ourselves to placate the irrational left is not going to happen.

Any white identity movement is going to be a mix of different people and will only grow out of necessity. The secret is hatred of niggers because of hatred from niggers.

>>137845878
It's impossible. You know why? Because "white" identity is based entirely on the exclusion of others. It's an inherently aggressive and negative identity.

White pride? You might as well be proud to be heterosexual, or proud to not be handicapped.

>>137847462
Are you kidding, white people in the masses are yearning just for white identity. Period. Not even supremacy or segregation or ethno-nationalism. Just white identity. White people have been intentionally robbed from this which creates a psychological effect--this is , in short, how you have so many white people supporting black lives matter, latching on to other cultures, and voting against their group. Because they're devoid of their own positive and healthy white racial identity.

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>>137845878
You're so fucking naive.

Anytype of white love movement is immediately going to be called a Nazi rally and get physically assaulted by antifa.

What are you going to do? Get the shit kicked out of you and then get branded as terrorists by the media? Then get doxxed out of your job by leftists? And then continue to be peaceful?

Be reasonable. This can only end in carnage.

>>137846303

You're an idiot. You're basically letting the left define you.

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>>137845878
>No hate
pic related tells why that is the most monumentally retarded thing you could possibly say in the face of white genocide.

>>137847188

Anglophobia.

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>>137847754
>uses BLM as an example of a (((love an peace))) movement
Just get the hell out

>>137845878
>the only way to beat them is to play by their rules.

Didn't you fags learn anything from Trump? Do what's natural. What the average man is afraid to say, do or even think and then *never* under any circumstance apologize for it.

That's it. Build it and they will come. Stop complicating things.

OP is a fucking retard.
He literally described Richard Spencer.
Dress nice, talk about loving white identity, never mention JQ, tell blacks how much you respect them as equal but different.
And how the fuck did that work out?
Oh yeah he the biggest Nazi in the history of the world now.
Fuck the Jews and fuck the niggers too.
Lock and load cunts.
We race war now.
1488 gas the kikes

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>No hate.
Being white and not wanting to kill yourself is "hate".
Quit being a fucking cuck!

>>137847653
>based entirely on the exclusion of others
wrong. It's based on loving your white heritage. Naturally this type of thinking includes rejecting the false dogma that only whites are guilty of fighting for land and slavery

>>137845878
Endorse this idea
Our beautiful people's natural inclinations to peace and harmony helped get us in this mess, only right to use it now to get back out

>>137846011
Nothing about the 14 requires the 88.

>>137845878
fantastic post anon
really appreciate it
hope that this gets internalized by the right, it's the proper way to move forward and legitimize

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>>137845878
wrong, completely wrong.

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>>137847944
>44
this
as a mantra
STAND YOUR FUCKING GROUND

>>137847642
It's not placate. It's tactical. This is literally how the left has done so much damage, by literally embracing this frame.

Don't you see Antifa? They are hate-filled but their hate is framed as coming from love. This is why CNN and other propagandists don't cover them and condemn them, because they are sill playing within their political strategy.

>>137846101
Did Queen Isabella De Castilia need swastikas to kick the Jews and Mussies out?

>>137845878
There have been people on /pol/ advocating for the creation of Right Wing Safety Squads for years now.

A Right Wing Safety Squad would show up in a white t-shirt with a red elephant surrounded by a red circle, aping the Red Cross logo.

They would have basic first aid kits, miniature constitutions, bill of rights leaflets, stuff like that.

And they would aid anyone. Pepper spray victims on both sides. Blunt force trauma victims on both sides.

The Right Wing Safety Squads would come to the aid of anyone in need. And in doing so, the Right Wing Safety Squads would endear themselves in the heart of the USA.

But so far no one has the balls to actually do it.

OPTICS gentlemen. OPTICS. One must always think of the optics in any course of action these days.

The Right Wing Safety Squads could guarantee Trump a second term.

Richard Spencer could guarantee the opposite.

>>137847653
It's a neutral statement. You've been conditioned too hard if that's your impression. That's my point exactly, this branding/framing has been done so effectively by the Left of suppressing white identity that this is the key to dismantling their game.

Believe it or not. This is the key.

>>137845878
Youre fucking delusional if you think that goodfeels is going to defeat the most pervasive subversive enemy ever fought. Not only has it not ever work, it makes people complacent.

The only way to defeat them is to kill them. You want a bloodless war of ideals. No war ever won was bloodless. This is not how reality works.

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>>137845878
Is that Tomi Lahren? She'll make beautiful white babies when she marries a white ma...oh just saw some pictures posted which i won't repost here. google them.

>>137845878
Being healthy and positive is good and should be pushed as much as possible with everyone, but it is not a key to somehow being "allowed" to have a white identity movement. ((They)) will not allow it to happen. You could be white Ghandi but if you don't let yourself be taken advantage of eventually you will be painted and framed to be the piece of shit they tell everyone you are.

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I've been saying this for a long time OP.

National Socialism as an ideology is actually very friendly and presentable. Most idiots on the left don't even understand what Nat-Soc even is, they literally just see a swastika and freak out. It would be SO FUCKING EASY to just rebrand National Socialism, give it a different name, give it a different symbol (not Pepe) and make it way more appeal-able to people.

As a test, memorize a bunch of classical Nat-Soc talking points and policies, and then ask your liberal friends if they agree with them (of course leaving out the dead give away stuff about Jews and Germans). Most liberals and SJWs will unknowingly agree to almost everything in the Nat-Soc doctrine.

We have to rebrand the system, because you're never, ever, going to get the majority of people wearing swastika armbands again. The vast majority of people are too brainwashed after years of school and media. Even the most rational debate isn't going to make them suddenly change their mind about Nazism.

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>(((alt-right)))

>go to unite the right rally thats intention is to bring together the newer moderates and libertarians with the older conservatives and religious repubs

>the donald shows up wanting to be special snowflakes calling themselves "alt-right" instead of just assimulating within the republican party

>alt-right is attackable by the left without scrutinizing the whole repub base

>media ascends a leader for "us" ie richard spencer even though he doesnt endorse trump

>one person gets out of hand and everyone is labeled alt-right despite the whole point of the rally was to unite republicans far and wide

>lefties riot and loot and its just considered a individualist group


>alt-right do something bad and the whole republican group is considered responsible

I TOLD U FAGS TO NOT ASSOCIATE WITH THE TERM ALT-RIGHT LONG AGO

IT WAS THEIR ABILITY TO DISCREDIT US WITHOUT PULLING ANOTHER DEPLORABLES

FUCK U fAGGOTS AND YOUR NEED TO BE DIFFERENT

>but muh alt-right tho
youre fucking repubs you idiots!

>>137847944
>*never* under any circumstance apologize for it
This. The moment you apologize you recognize you were wrong - and then who will defend your ideas if not even YOU will? Don't show and say more than you have to, but if you do, don't apologize, don't give a single inch.

>>137848037
>It's based on loving your white heritage

which used to include only Anglos, but was gradually relaxed to let in the Germans, Irish, French, Italians, and Eastern Europeans.

here's a question. can a black man with a white parent be proud of his white heritage?

>>137848120
>found right wind safety squad group to help others neutrally
>enrollment takes off
>have hundred of thousands of members
>make good optics
>shit goes down
>pivot safety squad into death squad, easy transition
yeah, let's prepare for the future

>>137847834
This is how black people did it when they were fighting for equal rights.

This is part of the process. If you come from a place of love, and the other side attacks you, they fall within the frame of hate.

This is why the Left fucking uses this frame for everything they do.

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>>137847653
>brainwashed brainlet shill detected

>>137847850
Of course their is hate, I fucking hate the Left, Jews, black culture, etc. But that's not how you play the game.

The key is through a positive and healthy white identity movement TO START.

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What >>137846303 is saying is not wrong. I believe he means that the (((media))) will always paint us to be nazis regardless of how we try to frame ourselves.

Exactly what >>137847845 is saying - they have that power so long as they maintain the monopoly on MSM, they get to paint the picture. The solution? We must either create our own MSM agencies, or tear down or evict them from theirs.

Only then can we stop them from manipulating the masses with their Marxist and Zionist bullshit.

>>137846101
>wont work
>they will twist everything, regardless of how hypocritical it makes them

Of course they will try. You have to make it difficult. They can say whatever they want but the viewer still has to find it credible. When the media gets pictures of one guy waving a stupid Nazi flag then they can say that the whole group is Nazis when it isn't.

>>137845963
how are you solving the dichotomy of white supremacy and a positive healthy movement?

It would be nice if some enterprising redpilled musicians and corporate people got together and started hosting right wing festivals and events. create your own alternate realities against the left's current hegemony. How much more fun would a SXSW or coachella type festival be with lots of whites instead of mongrels everywhere. Trumpfest 2018 held in bumfuck south dakota or some shit. You could get 3-500,000 people with good planning and organizing

>>137848394
>This is how black people did it when they were fighting for equal rights.
Yeah, because they were whining to whites, who are the only race compassionate enough to listen to "love" talk.

>>137845878
The "alt right" is lead by lefties m8, they are supposed to be toxic.

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>>137845878
>>137845932
>>137845963
>postive white identity
In my degrading toilet of a country 'white identity' is synonymous with acceptance of other races. There's no room for ourselves, just help the less fortunate.

As that's the case, whenever a lash out happens or any sort of comment on our current state of misfortune it all turns out we're racist.

Example, the housing market is fucked. Our young'ns have been in the queue for 10 to 15 years in order to get an apartment - they won't leave home until they're close to 30. Why?
Because the state gives complex owner double the rent for each migrant they give an apartment to.

Is this unfair? Yes. Can we do something about it without getting stigmatised? No.

White identity in this country is nothing but
>suck it up
Out of energy and tolerance to even attempt what you suggest.

>>137848283
>cultural war is equivalent to conventional warfare
How do you think Christianity became the official religion of the Roman Empire after decades of strong persecution and executions?

An open hand is more welcoming than a closed fist.

>>137847898
They frame themselves as coming from a place of love, what don't you get. They love their fellow black brother/sister and want police to stop killing them. That's their FRAME. Do you understand what framing is?

That doesn't mean that's what they DO. This is how you get away with shit. This is how you play politics.

If you frame yourself strong enough as a firefighter, you can literally light someone's house on fire.

>>137847845
>You're basically letting the left define you.
Nigger what? By not shying away from my own politics because the left says its bad?

YOU'RE the one saying "D-dont be NatSoc, the left doesn't like it"

all white identity movements are nazi
get fucked whitey, your women crave bbc

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>>137848283
Except we're still a good few years away from any war you idiot. We could always make the movement more presentable to normies, and grow our numbers. There's no reason to turn your back on your fellow white-man yet.

Lesson to be learned: Hillary lost the election because she stopped trying to convince Trump supporters to vote for her, and she started attacking them instead. There's never any reason to galvanize yourself until the day of the rope.

Unless you want to put your money where your mouth is and go start the race war right now?

>>137847898
Also, I never used BLM as an example of love and peace don't know where the fuck you got that.

>>137848348
White=native european. Not that hard. I guess if some blue eyed lightskin black guy wants to be proud he can i dont care

>>137847653
Why the fuck wouldnt I be proud to be a functional member of white society. You SHOULD proud of not being a worthless cripple or nonreproductive faggot.

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>>137845878
Completely agree with you. I really like Damigo for this:

>>137845878
Doesn't sound edgy enough.

>>137848475
White identity can never be positive because it is EXCLUSIVE. Positive identities have to be INCLUSIVE. You can be half-Italian and welcomed by the Italian, or half-Japanese and welcomed by the Japanese, or half-Nigerian and welcomed by the Nigerians, but half-white and welcomed by the white nationalists? lol no.

>>137848567
Don't you realize that our only ALLIES are going to be whites? The whole idea of making the movement more presentable isn't to attract fucking niggers, it's to get more whites on our side. How fucking dumb are you?

>>137848698
Like earth is something you wrap around the dog so the thing won't bite itself from flees..

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>>137845878
>a healthy and positive white identity movement?
All "whiteness" is their enemy you dumb idiot. There will never be an allowable amount of "whiteness" to the cultural marxists. NO AMOUNT.

How fucking stupid do you have to be to believe they would let you have ANYTHING?

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>>137848647
>First
STAND YOUR FUCKING GROUND
>Second
We have the Alt-lite and sceptics for that kind of stuff
>Third
Why did you wrote the sentence in brackets in OP, answer the question.

>>137848759
Damigo is 5'4".

No one is going to respect that.

>>137845878
No, it's time to hit hard, we have the momentum, the line has been crossed blood has been split, we must keep moving forward, we can not defeat the left by becoming the left, let them cover their violence with singing kombya, the hypocrisy makes any decent person sick.

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>>137848320
Dead on post. Unfortunately the swastika is tainted. We can't use it again, we can't rise a literal heir to the Third Reich. People do actually agree with the majority of National Socialist ideas. They'll just freak out the second anyone associates these ideas with NS Germany or mentions the JQ. We can have a spiritual heir, but the imagery? Maybe only once this spiritual heir succeeds. Maybe Fascism could serve as a stepping stone for a lot of the ideas, as it's more palatable. But full on, self-declared National Socialist movement? As much as it pains me, not right now, unless through a LOT of blood, something we're not capable of doing yet.

>>137848813
I would not welcome any half-white, but certain exceptions who strongly believe in the right of whites to ethnostate would be greeted with open arms.
Also
>half Japanese
>welcomed by the Japanese

>>137845878
>is by having a healthy and positive white identity movement?

You are 100% correct.

But it's never going to happen
because the white people who are drawn to the movement
are so broken and butthurt about life
they're going to bring their issues with them.

>>137848848
I guess Japanese steel can't trade for German blueprints.

>>137847944
>>137848078
Yeah stand your ground. Stand your ground to demand white identity to be recognized. This is my point. This is why I'm here typing this shit.

We have to stand our ground. Not apologize, or hide, but demand that white people have their own positive white identity and demand the current culture to stop being racist against white people.

BUT THE WAY TO ACHIEVE THIS IS THROUGH A WHITE IDENTITY MOVEMENT COMING FROM A PLACE OF LOVE. If it's tied to hate, it's dead. This is why the Left gets away with literally murder, because they've framed everything that they do as coming from buzzwords like "love" and shit.

Again, they key to destroying the Left's game is--at first--through a healthy and POSITIVE white identity movement.

>>137848947
Honestly it could be used as a bonus. He comes off as less intimidating. He's the best speaker and is a veteran.

Remember your highest goal.

Put yourself in the Schrodinger's future. You explain to your ghost children or grandchildren that you failed because the SS uniform was tha bomb, and you wanted to LARP as someone with the blood of millions of Whites and Jews on their hands.

The goal is achievable. Do you want the goal, or do you want to look cool?

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There may be something to this.

German scum left already has admitted fear to this.

http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/09/25/blond-cheerful-families-dangerous-right/

White identity politics is here to stay. Even though I think Spencer conducts himself like a mope.

Pepe literally drives the left simply insane through the smug smile.

A happy white family and good attitudes is cuts through the enemy.They have no idea how to manage themselves around their betters.

Any question about other races and people's problems is easy to pass off with any rephrasing of, "That's unfortunate, I have my own problems to attend to."

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>>137845878
>No Nazi shit
Everything pro-white will be labeled and treated as "Nazi", there's nothing you can do about it.
>No hate
Implying the "Nazis" were the one driven by hate.

>>137845932
>You have to use buzzwords
Really activates my almonds, but maybe the media isn't fair and it actually wants white people dead, so no amount of cucking is going to be rewarded, and you should lurk moar you bluepilled normalcuck.

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>>137848079
>Don't you see Antifa? They are hate-filled but their hate is framed as coming from love. This is why CNN and other propagandists don't cover them and condemn them, because they are sill playing within their political strategy.

Not quite. Antifa are the foot soldiers of the Marxists. They are indoctrinated in colleges (soon, high schools and younger) and graded on their activism. The media are aligned with the ideology and goals of Marxists in academia and will defend them so long as they continue to be good little goyim.

If the Jews get the Right to massacre the Left like they're baiting for, those useful idiots will get mowed down of course, but the Jews will use that to force politicians to enact laws against hate speech, gun ownership, and everything else that makes the US exceptional and not cucked like the EU.

It will pave the way for our demise.

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>>137845963
We shall call it C.A.P.P

The Committee for Anglo-Positive Policy.

>>137848620
>a kike spin off movement being pervasive and subversive destroys an entire culture instead of being wiped out
Kind of the entire fucking point
>>137848698
There is little difference in conventional and ideological warfare when one or the other leaves you powerless, in chains, or dead. The left never stops trying to subvert. Even if no ones shooting, youre a fucking fool if you think there isnt a war going on right now. It isnt a war that can be won "cold".

>>137848720
>You SHOULD proud of not being a worthless cripple or nonreproductive faggot.

"proud of not being like those shitty people"

It's a negative identity, defined by looking down on others.

>>137845932
>It also needs to start off without any segregation desires, ethnic state desires, "white nationalism" desires, etc
Then that would be dishonest and dishonesty is harder to defend than any amount of SS larping.

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>>137849009
And you still haven't answered the question PR Nigger shill faggot

>>137848079
>This is why CNN and other propagandists don't cover them and condemn them
Oh yeah, that's why, not because antifa and CNN are funded by the same people.

>>137845878

You can't fucking have "white" in the name of your identity movement and not be framed as racist. It's impossible.

You're up against (((all))) of media, academia, entertainment, cultural marxists, leftists, cuckservatives, "civic nationalists", mainstream Judaism AND Christianity.

Wait for Gen Z and cultural shift in about 10 years. Save yourselves and your families from the coming crash and depression. Make babies and homeschool. That's all you can do.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8fuf1APk1kk

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>>137845878
Fuck you shill. The only way we're going to win is by killing people. We're just so long conditioned by you that we cannot yet widely admit that it's the truth.

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>>137848394
You're missing a crucial component here: The media.

The media portrayed the civil rights movement with accuracy; that is, as a bunch of black dudes peacefully marching in the South as rabid, retarded racists committed illegal acts of physical violence against them.

Here, you fail to realize that even if every Nazi lays down on the ground and lets themselves get shot and killed, we will still be branded enemies of the US. There will never be any justice in this issue. And without justice, there will be civil unrest, which will lead to civil war.

>>137849146
Didn't even notice that part. Yeah, OP's out there.

>>137845878
This is all true. Absolutely. 100%

OP's game is irrefutable. Anyone who says otherwise is a shill

>>137849207
I kind of agree. I think white nationalism is great. But the name is off putting. Would identitarianism work? What else is there?

>>137848290
No. That's not how it works. That's not how movements work. In life, many times, the seeming impossible happens, the seeming undefeated gets defeated, the seemingly insurmountable gets conquered. It's all through momentum.

The defeated are those who think they are defeated.

>>137848848
When faced with extermination, the white allies you speak of will be faced with two choices: join us or let the savages destroy you.

Those that willingly let themselves die will be selected against in the large-scale natural selection.

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>>137849045
> Pepe literally drives the left simply insane through the smug smile.

THIS!

>>137849130
Youre supposed to look down on bad elements of society not tolerate it.

Im also proud to be not be a pedo, thief, murderer, liar, con artist, and many other shitty things.

>>137848848
Geez Louise, calm down. Read the post I replied to as well as mine. Black people successfully used the "love" talk because they were the underdog and white people are compassionate. Right now most whites DON'T recognize we're the underdogs (or, worse, they do but they're self hating to the point they think this is a good thing). At this point I don't know how to make them see things from our perspective.

If we turn into the aggressors it can either push (majority) whites further into their current mindset or make us be so attacked they finally notice what's being done to us. We -could- pretend to be peaceful and allow ourselves to be kicked at this increasingly-violent stage - but that sounds too cowardly, and as long as the (((media))) paints us as monsters it might not work. I honestly don't know what's the most intelligent course of action right now.

>>137845878
op is actually right

but its the whole reason we are in this mess anyways, we always promoted it beforehand

>>137845878
You're going to be called a nazi no matter what as long as you defend white identity.

Taking the reactionary route in life is not an easy task, I'm telling you all. This is hell you're walking into. It's always been hell.

>>137849307
>You can't fucking have "white" in the name of your identity movement and not be framed as racist. It's impossible.
Also Identity politics are designed to victimize an identity, reads, make it dependable on state run victim institutions. Do you want to be a victim?

>>137845878
I really like this idea

>>137845878
Been saying this for a while.

The thing is tho, that many of the actual movements is caught with the hatred and the conflict with the left. They think it's entertaining and they get satisfaction from releasing tension this way.

It requires a bunch of smart sophisticated people who understands more than "fuck you!! yeaah drumpf!!".

Another issue is that we are used to all the racist talk. We may even agree with most of it. So we go to a rally and people are waving a nazi flag and we think 1 of 3 things: 1. I like national socialism, 2. Haha funny trolls, or 3. They have a right to wave their flag. To all the normies this looks terrible.

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>>137848320
>just re-brand it
>>137848982
>yeah, just don't show a swastika and everything will work out no one will notice what you actually think
Everything pro-white that anyone ever creates, is going to be labeled "Nazi" and attacked just the same. It's literally happening right now to the alt-right, whose only selling point was "being implicitly pro-white instead of explicit". You're all collectively freaking out because you think "we weren't subtle enough", but the joke is that this was the so-called "subtle route", and it ended the same. Even in the 90's when the pro-white movement was utterly dead, everything "right of the far-left" or white and male was treated as if it was "nazi", because "nazi" is just what anti-whites call whites to stoke violence against them, and to intimidate them into cucking.

>>137849094
learn from your enemies and their tactics will empower your efforts.

>>137848320
But that's still many steps beyond what I'm talking about.

It ALL starts with having a positive and healthy white identity movement. This is the battling ram that breaks down the Left's stronghold. And this is exactly white the Left tries so hard to frame and conflate and tie ANY white identity expression to "hate" and "racism", etc.

Having a positive and healthy white identity movement is the key to it all.

>>137845878
you mean like Ned Flanders? That guy everyone hates?

>>137849436
>You're going to be called a nazi no matter what as long as you defend white identity.

At first yes. But let time pass and people will start to see it for what it is.

>>137849307

As if whites can agree to be herded under any label.

(Actually, I'm partial to "Anarcho-Kekistani")

>>137848054
you can 14 with 88.
here are people who hate white people.
The concept of white is oppressive because we are superior in every facet.

I love everyone. I love my people. No hate.

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>>137845878
The very concept of "white identity" is (((hateful))) to the left, particularly the alt-left. It's not like as if we stop "hating" that people from the left are going to come to our side, in fact the exact opposite is true.

Look at 2012, mitt Romney, who condemned the "white supremecists" and who advocated for more Mexican immigration during his campaign was called racist by the left.

By contrast, look at 2016. Trumps campaign started by calling Mexicans criminals and rapists, and despite this he still won more of the Hispanic vote than Romney did. He also called for banning all Muslims (a moment that both sides thought would be the end of his campaign) and his numbers went up and he went on to WIN.

Hate works, pandering to the left doesn't

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>>137849545
thank you Nippon

country music crossfit for god.

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>>137848982
You just can't call it Nat-Soc. Come up with some other bullshit name for it and people will be far more accepting. Making sure that you talk about all the shit that leftists love like healthcare and pensions.

The Third Reich didn't use entirely the same imagery as the Holy Roman Empire or the German Empire,so why are we so beholden to the past? This is OUR movement, we can always look back and respect our forefathers, but imitating them is never going to get us anywhere.

Do you think for a second that Hitler would have picked the swastika as a symbol for himself if he thought that it would scare people away? If the swastika had a reputation as a symbol of divisiveness, or destruction, or loss, do you really think he would have adopted it to fly his armies under, or brand his movement with? Fuck no... he picked the swastika because it's just a great LOOKING symbol, it has an aesthetic that can't be denied. But unfortunately it's been ruined by association with the Nazis.

We need a symbol that doesn't have fucking Iron Crosses, or Black Suns, or fucking Swastikas if we want to ever have a hope of regaining some of our brainwashed brothers. People have been trained their entire life to look at that shit and think "EVIL", do you really think you can undo ~30 years of brainwashing on the average person in less than a year?!

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Nah fuck your shit OP
GAS THE KIKES
RACE WAR NOW
Where do you think you are you manipulative jew.

>>137849436
>You're going to be called a nazi no matter what as long as you defend white identity.
I've been increasingly more convinced of this. Sure 14 could get more people than 88, but as long as the public eye makes it look like they're the exact same thing, well, you might as well not pussyfoot around, hit back and go 88. It doesn't make a difference, after all.

>>137849496
You make a good point. Which is why I'm so torn between the two approaches. Being peaceful has led nowhere the past 70 years, but my gut still tells me turning into aggressors won't help our cause.

>>137845878
Lol. Anything that is positive about whites = white supremacy by the leftists. If you're against affirmative action, in other words you support treating all races the same regardless of skin colour you are a racist. Do you even know what a nazi is? Nazis haven't been around for many decades you fool. Waving a nazi flag doesn't make you a nazi anymore than wearing womens clothing makes a you a woman.

Don't you see how bad things are? Being against racial policies makes you racist. The hour is much later than you libertarians think. If you don't wake up soon, unless you don't mind being called a nazi or supremacist you might as well give up now because you've already lost.

Look at south africa and rhodesia - that will be your future

>>137845878

You are right. I saw it coming miles away when the (((alt-right))) started gaining 'power', it was obvious at some point the nazi larpers would fuck everything up with their socialist utopia; they are not any different from dumb communists. Meanwhile conservatives have to hide in fear of being called a nazi.

>>137849665
That's right. Awways be positive and defend your white brother and sister no matter what. We are all family.

I like this idea. Makes it easier to get white girls to give it up. If they make white love t-shirts, it'll be really easy to spot the easy targets too.

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>>137848947

He's got a single inch on me, that's good enough.

10/10 would make several >>137848947
white babbies with.

>>137845878
You are right. If we must win it will be with intelligence.

>>137846315
The nazi gets it. We don't "love" we don't "tolerate", the attempts to do so brought us here in the first place.

>>137845878
>Destroy the left by becoming the Left
What are you a faggot?

Honestly, If you want to sell this shit to white women you appeal to their vanity by explaining that they're by far the most beautiful and compassionate of all women.

The more attractive you are, the more it sticks on them.

It's easy to prime them toward it by complimenting their blonde/red hair or Blue/Green eyes.

>>137849068
No shit, but again you don't get it. You can't start with hate from the onset. In fact, you can NEVER frame yourself from a place of hate.

That doesn't mean you don't hate or act hatefully.

For example, if you wanted an ethno-state, you frame it from a place of love--for example, you say that you love your people and want to protect your people, etc. Everything has to be framed as the positive, love side. This is how you get away with murder.

You start with love. Once you've gained momentum with love, you keep the love frame, but your actions could be different. Again, if your frame is strong enough, you could literally light someone's house on fire if you've made them believe you're a firefighter. And in the end, they'll still think you tried to put out the fire.

>>137849712
A good point. And a point that goes against the grain of what >>137849496 said, in an (also) good post. What we need is a new Hitler - and maybe not in the sense of "literal Hitler" - but just someone with enough charisma and (good) intentions that can present this new format. We can always discuss how our flags, symbols and colors can be on /pol/, but EVEN IF we get some good things together, who will present them to the outside world (without risking turning it into another Kekistan autistic shit)? We lack that person/people.

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>>137848320
>>137845878
>>137849478

Also, Nat-Soc is very outdated and we have a different situation today. Therefore you cant have good ol' Nat-Soc party all over again, for many reasons.

You will need something completely new, in a way. More modern.
You will need CORE beliefs for the party to strive for. For an example:
>Survival of the white race
>No federal reserve
>Power to the people
>No religionbased belief in control
etc.

And start to develop a party more suitable for today society.

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>>137849765
>turning into aggressors won't help our cause.
Red Army Fraction in Germany, read up on them.
They are the reason, why Germany is as cucked as it is
>Be terrorist communists
>Blow up stuff, kidnap children, rob banks
>Make so much damage, that the state starts to negotiate with your more moderate off shots
>Actually communist pedophiles known today as the green Party
>Have "moderate" extreme lefts in every institution
Connect the dots

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>>137849616
>At first yes. But let time pass and people will start to see it for what it is.
And, "what it is" is actually Natsoc "without the swastikas"? Do any of you realize how fucking shallow and idiotic this kind of thinking is? DO you think the left is fair when it calls anyone a Nazi, whether they actually are one or not? You're literally just re-inventing the alt-right, these aren't new or intelligent insights; you're just ignoring the results of this kind of thinking as they play out in the world before you.

>>137849765
>Being peaceful has led nowhere the past 70 years, but my gut still tells me turning into aggressors won't help our cause.
There is useful passivity, and useless passivity -- useful aggression, and useless aggression. When all we do is cuck and act afraid of being called "Nazi", we look like pussies and no one wants to follow us. Looking strong and invincible no matter what names they were called is actually what built a following around the original Natsocs. Anyone who studies their history sees this is obvious: people RESPECT STRENGTH. So being afraid of labels is a quick way to lose, not a clever way to win. You can't actually hide what you believe, since anything "pro-white" is labelled "Nazi" regardless -- so you have to proudly embrace the labels, embrace the mantle of "pro-white" just like pro-blacks or pro-jews or pro-spics do. NONE OF THEM KEK, and people respect it. We're just waiting for the day a generation of white men is born who don't want to cuck anymore, and don't care what you call them.

>>137849999
>No shit, but again you don't get it.
Which is it then, "no shit youre right" or "you dont get it"? I get it perfectly well, you're the ones trying to tell us to just repeat the mistakes of the past like we never tried these ideas before.

>>137849082
Not bad. Pretty good actually. Definitely would be better if the anacronym were more powerful.

You're on the right track. If you like the name, don't let me stop you.

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Let thy juices secrete
All the way down to thy feet
To which I beat my meat
From outside thy window, discreet

Fuck niggers, jews, arabs and spics. Go back to your own shit holes countries instead of leeching off the white man.

>>137848596
Exactly, this is my point. The Left/marxists/globalists/liberals intentionally did this to get the desired outcome they wanted.

This is why this is the key. THE KEY TO IT ALL IS TO CREATE A POSITIVE AND HEALTHY WHITE IDENTITY MOVEMENT.

>>137850237
Couldn't resist
http://www.fromtexttospeech.com/output/0076658001502968957/27155275.mp3

>>137850097
Strong and good words. Reminds me of this chapter http://www.hitler.org/writings/Mein_Kampf/mkv2ch07.html If you prove you can fight back and aren't a pushover, people will respect and flock to you.

Anyway, it's late as shit here lads. This has been a good thread. Good night to everyone.

>>137848321

Kids love to associate with groups, specially if those are rebellious against the status quo, the democrats were really smart on coining this new brand of 'libertarian conservatism' as alt-right and then associating it with /pol/ nazi larping.

You see, this is the kind of shit low-IQ brainlets bring to societies all over the world: sectarianism and the revival of past ideologues. Things will never be OK because of them.

>>137850051
Agreed, we need some charismatic motherfuckers BADLY. For whatever reason this movement also seems to be a fucking autism magnet too, which hasn't really helped things too much.

I always imagined myself becoming the next Hitler when I was as young as ~8 hahaha. No idea why, my parents were extremely liberal and I grew up being told about how evil Nazis were, but for some reason it always seemed interesting too me. Unfortunately I'm a Canacuck.

That being said, Hitler was Austrian.

>>137850293
>THE KEY TO IT ALL IS TO CREATE A POSITIVE AND HEALTHY WHITE IDENTITY MOVEMENT
Implying we aren't one? According to who, the media? The Left? Our enemies? Are you upset that our enemies call us names, or that we don't have complete control over every person at a rally, or on a Mongolian Basketweaving Forum like this one? That's never going to happen, so maybe turn off CNN since it's infecting your brain with its bullshit.

>>137850377
Nite m8.

>>137848959
You're not getting it. You mask your hate with love. This IS how you do it. This is how you create a movement.

It's a gateway. Once you have people loving themselves for being white, loving whiteness, loving their white identity and culture, you get a country that's less and less cucked which could then grow into a strong white majority country.

No matter what you think, this is they key to it all. A positive and healthy white identity movement that it too slick to fall beneath the frame of hate.

>>137845878
>healthy and positive
>/pol/
Yeah good fucking luck with that. You fucks are all either skin and bones twiglings or fatass fedora munchers, both with horrible hygiene and social skills.

>>137846011
14 in the streets, 88 in the sheets
Also checked. When /pol/ is working together and Trump is doing his work and Kek is appeased with digits, all is right in the world

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>>137850153
I'm concerned if the acronym is too reminiscent of strength or defense that it will get lumped in with Nazis. Don't want anything war-like

CAPP is kind of implied to be a stop gap, as in, this is where things end and we start to take action. It also bring to mind of height and being at the top, so it's positive.

It seems more like an advocacy name, a group that tries to spread a message rather than direct a cause.

>>137850507
What do you propose to do?

The white nationalistic movement is bigger than on a long time. It is growing, open your eyes. Trump wouldnt be elected if it was not growing.

If you want to be more aggressive, how and why?

What is needed, is strong charismatic people with good understandable arguments to get people to understand.

>>137845878
Let the left keep being the left.
It's to the point where any time someone hears "that nazi blah blah blah" I automatically assume he's probably a pretty level headed guy and WANT to hear what he has to say.

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>>137849929

Very true. Being praised for exhibiting virtuous traits also tends to increase dedication to virtue. Women are very very amenable to positive reinforcement and seek the approval of others.

>>137845878
>is by having a healthy and positive white identity movement?

we have that it's called government

Too late for that, the spergs went and made a retard of themselves already

>>137849233
The media does have power, but they are dying.

Social media is the great equalizer. It significantly helps cut through the propaganda. Yes, we also need new right-wing news sites and social media platforms, but that's not important. If you focus on the movement, and focus on executing the proper frame and position, if this part is strong enough, you simply cannot be cast underneath the hate frame and the movement will grow and appeal to the masses.

>>137845878
>We all agree anyone the left calls a "Nazi" is a bad person who has no right to speak and should have their life destroyed, right?
Kill yourself, shill.

sage

>>137848320

symbols are for the symbol minded.

no symbol. just words

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>>137845878
Right on, OP. IRL larping will kill the movement.

>>137851034
Wow, wonder who is behind this post..

>>137845878
I'm not white and I do not want to stop the left. I am going to continue to promote Nazism on /pol/ while you stupid fucks mindlessly lap it up.

U mad white boy? If so please by all means go pull another Charlottesville :^)

>>137851104
don't know, but you are clearly a jew

>>137845878
Actually , everyone who redpilled knows that you can beat terror only by using terror. Thats what both ,Lenin and Hitler said. That fucking true. You cant "sell" fasicst idea with angels and flowers , because leftist evil will start terror against you immediatly. And especially expirienced jewish media. They know tactics, unlike you.

You could have a shirt on the front it reads"
"I Love White People"
and on the back it reads
"I Love All People"

And when people ask why even have the front part, say that it's because the culture is lacking in a positive white identity, etc. etc. (insert the positive love frame/explanation of the movement).

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>>137845878
Reminder that if you're an autistic larper, you're either a shill or you've fallen for the shill tactics.

>>137845878
What?
They will always associate any racial movement with nazies.

Own the damn thing and make nazies look good.

Sage.

>>137845878
Nazis scare ladies. Scaring ladies makes your pic related. Your pic related makes ladies support Nazis.

>>137851034
The brand is dead man. You can play Nazi all you want but it won't get you anywhere in the mainstream.

Hear me out, if you WANT to gas all non-whites, FIRST start a POSITIVE and HEALTHY white identity movement. Once this grows (as it will), and once it gets big enough, THEN you can have the second coming of Hitler.

>>137845878
You have to leave race out of it, at least on the surface. You can absolutely ABSOLUTELY manipulate shit to be primarily whites behind the scenes (i.e., swimming, drinking milk, going to non-baptist/AME churches). Glorifying gorgeous blondes and pale-skinned brunettes, etc. It has to be unstated or your message will be drowned out with hate.

The shilling is intense in this thread.

Kek

>>137845878
You're a Nazi if you believe there are two genders or you do a tax return. May as well scare the shit out of them.

>>137851312
The left and their media lackeys will do that, not necessarily the average white person. Remember, Trump still won despite the left throwing the same rhetoric against him. If we play the game right, we can win the folks Trump won, but Nazi larping won't do that.

>>137851411
No, you literally have to have race be involved. That's the entire point. This is strictly a white race thing. Just like every other race is allowed to have their own racial identity, white people need to finally have their own racial identity.

But the Left has successfully shut down any positive white identity from happening because this is a key component to their game.

This is what is needed. This is they key. A positive and healthy white identity movement.

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>>137851400
>The brand is dead
>Don't touch it

>>137851052
Hate to tell you, but we live in a world and society of symbols. It's only become more-so in the modern age of computers. If you don't believe in the power of symbols then you know nothing about human psychology.

>>137850764
I don't know, but we need to find a way to making ourselves charismatic, I think the first step is to help people who have a lot of white-guilt to realize that it's misplaced, and that it's been thrust upon them by the far-left. Don't engage these people about other topics, just try to help them start embracing their own culture and heritage. It's not about convincing people that niggers suck, it's about convincing people that whites aren't evil. I hate this word, but there's a lot of INTERNALIZED white guilt that's been brainwashed into the masses over the last few decades. First and foremost, we need to give people the relief of letting go of that guilt.

This is probably the easiest, and simplest path of at least beginning the process on some select people. Remember, changing a culture isn't about changing individuals, it's about making waves. If we can start convincing SJW types that they have some kind of deep internalized guilt (which I honestly believe they do) and help them get over that, we could be on our way to our goals a lot sooner than trying to "redpill" people by info dumping black crime stats on them.

What we really need to do is work on our entry-level game.

>>137847898
The frame is the name of the movement. If you're against the movement people assume you hate black people because of the name completely regardless and independent of your actual intent

>>137845878
I agree with you entirely. The nazi stuff does whotes a hige disservice. Sometimes you need to think about the best course of action before acting out.

>>137846101
>>137846303
It's not about appeasing or convincing the left it's about getting support from the public. Fuck off you shill

This would actually work, so clearly the shills don't want to see this happen.

>>137845878
'Nazi shit' IS positive white identity.
Appreciating culture, art, literature and promoting healthy lifestyles and a sense of self worth.

>>137845878
>>137845932
that's literally just called a whitepill -- you're like 2 years late

>>137851312

You're a fucking idiot.

>>137845878
7/8 you tried OP and ill give you that

however, your try will never work, and not because your plan has a flaw in its design, but because most white pepo just seem to be literal satan incarnate. just read this thread.

>we should just love ourselfs as whites what could go wrong

>NOOOOO FUCK NIGGERS REEEEE 1488 HANG SPICS WE MUST HATE AND KILL NO MERCY REEEEEEE


good effort though

>>137851312
No. This is absolutely my point. This won't ever work. The Nazi brand is dead. And if white people don't get a positive white identity movement going soon, every white country will become South Africa.

There is still time. This needs to happen. And I have a feeling it will happen sooner or later, whether by someone reading this post or by some other catalyst, but for every action there is a reaction, even if the reaction is delayed. This anti-white culture that has been going on for so long is causing a major backlash that will only keep growing. The way to seize it is through, at first, creating a positive and healthy white identity movement that grows to become cemented into the culture. THEN sky's the limit.

>>137851866
But that's not what normies see it as. Not at all.

>>137848120
This would be a great thing for fellow Eagle Scouts to do at events since we all have had first Aide Training. We should have American Flag patches on somewhere as well.

White preservation should have nothing to do with supremacy or hatred. How does spewing racial epithets or using swastikas help? I've said this for years. There's no need for any of that shit. The media loves when idiots march around in klan outfits and sieg heil.

>>137851588
The issue is that we lack support from a huge amount of other WHITES. I've said it before and I'll say it again, making the movement more palpable isn't so we can become some nigger-infested shithole, it's so we can convince other whites to join us.

It's okay to have a racial identity, but we can't make it too exclusive (yet) because we're still trying to recover those who have fallen to the reds.

>>137851690
A Nigger like you doesn't seem to understand that something that has white in the name or is composed by whites for whites will automatically be called racist. Stop trying Nigger, centrists and moderates are those who sell out and lose in the end. Don't do business with jews, and yes I fucking hate Niggers and I have no problem expressing this in public.

>>137851866
No, it's not. The brand is lined to hate and genocide. Sorry, I like the Nazi party but you have to let that brand die.

But everything positive that they stood for is what needs to be brought to a positive white identity movement, but at first it cannot be tied to white nationalism and white safe spaces and segregation or any of that. Western Culture needs FIRST to have a positive white identity movement/expression to be part of its culture. THEN everything is possible.

>>137848283

If we stand passive and let the commies attack us Grandmother's in Wisconsin will see a bunch of things beating up good Samaritans just trying to be of service. If we want to win this we NEED the Grandmother's of Wisconsin on our side.

It's how MLKjr did it

>>137851690
Exactly, you get it.

>>137851312
Like the Leaf said previously, the Nasis were too autistic. The movement wasn't even inclusive enough to respect all Europeans.

>>137851690
This guy gets it.

>>137851588
Soon as you insert race into the equation, the entire left denounces it, and the entire mainstream right shies away from it. They don't even look under the hood to see what its values or politics actually are. This is where the "alt-right" failed. That could have been an amazing banner to walk under: We're right but we're different than the old fogies who came before us! But no, race got mixed into it. So the more normal people distanced themselves while the more radicals—the people who lost the ability to tell when something would just be too controversial to succeed—took over the show. And what a shit show it became.

>>137845878
You cant win, it's already over for you.

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>>137845878
>is by having a healthy and positive white identity movement?

FUCK OFF WITH YOUR FUCKING MOVEMENTS

RICHARD SPENCER WAS A CIVIC NATIONALIST AND HATES WHITE NATIONALISM

HATES NAZIS

DEFENDS STALIN

DEFENDS MARX

DEFENDS GAYS

AND YOU STILL GOT PLAYED BY THE CIA!!!!!

No more fucking ANTIFA bullshit /pol/! That's the Left's game.

Stay home and redpill the world.

Create culture.

Change the narrative

That's /ourgame/

And that's why they fear it so much

Don't try different tactics, keep doing the thing that we know doesn't work. -Said all the shills

>>137845878
Objectivly speaking, the libs are way better at tactfully collouring turds yellow and calling them gold.

>>137852079
>It's okay to have a racial identity, but we can't make it too exclusive (yet) because we're still trying to recover those who have fallen to the reds.

I honestly think it's too soon to even have an overt racial identity. It has to be covert. It has to take the form of, essentially, our own brand of demoralization.

>>137851866
I don't care if it's positive white identity. It's scares people away.

>>137845878
larp as leftists and call out blacks who date whites as race traitors

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>>137852180
>If we stand passive and let the commies attack us Grandmother's in Wisconsin will see a bunch of things beating up good Samaritans just trying to be of service. If we want to win this we NEED the Grandmother's of Wisconsin on our side.
>It's how MLKjr did it

No you IDIOT! MLK had the media on his side. He was fucking hired goon by Jews. And then he pissed them off so they shot his ass. Now Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton took his place because they are willing to play the game.

You don't have that. You're not going to control what the media shows or says or how its told. Old ladies don't give a fuck about you. They think you're hippies.

They liked Trump and now you're trying to false flag him. Fuck you!

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>>137845878
>>137845932
>>137845963
>retards still fucking think we can win this war via mass movement
Last time I saw a post this stupid it was someone advocating for communism.

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>>137852328
CIA post

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To put it blunty to the shills shilling for FUCKING CENTRISM and (((MODERATION))), as long as there are Nazis and KKK, you will be associated with them NO MATTER how many flowers you donate and Nigger dicks you suck, unless you become enemies of the white. Deal with it or go to the left traitors

>>137852283

Amen. Richard Spencer is a retard.

>>137849146
>>137849255
I'm talking about AT FIRST.

FIRST you inject simply a positive white identity movement into the culture. THEN sky's the limit. THEN you can grow to white spaces, white states, maybe even genocide.

But again, FIRST you inject a healthy and positive white identity into the culture.

>>137852499
I've been strongly considering going to an Antifa ralley and just holding up a huge banner that says something like "liberals get the bullet too" which has not only already been one of their talking points and thus wont be spotted as too out of the ordinary but it would totally alienate anybody not already far left. Thoughts?

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>>137845878
So much this.

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>>137848889
>STAND YOUR FUCKING GROUND

As in say cheese the media wants to film you nazis and blame Trump.

If you're going to use us CIA, at least give us some fucking money!

>>137852499

Honestly a degree of LARPing as the left is going to be necessary to really crush the left. Remember they're trying to form a coalition of diversity. Notice how everyone has stopped saying "blacks" but now say "brown people" or worse "POCs". They're trying to treat every racial minority as a single voting and policy bloc. Fuck, thirty years ago the blacks HATED the Mexicans; you could set your watch on that!

To destroy the left infiltration and demoralization will absolutely shatter their fragile hold over racial minorities. Once everything's shattered, leftist whites won't be able to understand what side is the correct side. Once blacks, mexicans, indians, asians, etc. are all different movements, susceptible whites will be scattered to the winds and unable to focus on any unified cause. Blacks won't feel affirmed at all when women are out marching, and gays won't feel affirmed when Mexicans are out marching.

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>>137852668
>lets infect minds who have been injected with anti white vaccines with a non violent pro white virus
Wonder how that will works mr meme

>>137852610
Did your coworkers laugh when you typed it in?

>>137852556
Jesus. You guys really are communists.

>>137851690
Love for one's own culture and people is the greatest motive here. Even if it's often not the one being expressed or getting the spotlight.

White self-Love or self-respect. You may oppose the White Love movement, but on some level, you have to understand and respect it. Logic dictates it.

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Essentially the CIA is going to keep making threads like this until they have a White Lives Matter faggot group of larpers to commit false flags and attack white identity through riots with Antifa

And no one is going to stop this shit.

No one.

You're all going to fall for it.

And Trump and white people are fucked.

No matter what happens in real life they control the fucking camera and the narrative and what people end up hearing about.

They'll use every failure, and every death, and every moment you look stupid against you. And no one will care because no one cares about becoming a righwing ANTIFA except little shitbags who are too scared to drive their car in a crowd of hippies

You're all fucking traitors. At least ANTIFA are mind control victims. You're just useful idiots who have no remorse because you want to look fashy on live streams

>>137845878
>No Nazi shit. No hate.
but pol consists of nothing but nazi shit & hate.

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>>137852710
Anything else overly nervous CIA faggot who knows very well that they have no weapon against a dynamic pro white non nod network
btw, here is the original next time dont forget to include the anti fag and isis pin

>>137852283
Didn't Richard Spencer do something along the lines like a roman salute?

Look, Richard Spencer obviously did not frame himself and his movement strong enough to outframe the media.

And either way this doesn't change my point and the reality: they key to dismantling the Left is by *somehow* first creating a positive and healthy white identity movement.

This is EXACTLY WHY the Left does everything in their power to prevent this from happening, even making the word "white" have a negative connotation in this culture, which is insane.

A healthy and positive white identity movement ***that is so finely executed and politically intelligent that it cannot be framed as being hateful, or bigoted, or segregationalist, etc.*** is, at the end of the day, what the Left fears and what is needed.

>>137852992
That doesn't even make any sense, they already have a group of Nazi's to blame it on.
To be a non hate group would take that away form them. And the only people that would be upset about that is the people who planned on using the Nazi's to blame things on.

>>137849227
What if you lose? Losing means all the Jew agenda gets to consume the U.S entirely.

Violence should only be done if you think you can definitely win

A dark blue hart on a white field.

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>>137845878
Nah, how about we just kill leftists? That seems easier and less pussyfooted

>>137852283
I wonder who pays these shills. I love the fact that everyone seems to look right through their tactics though, thank god most people on here are actually smart and hive mind reddit tards.

>>137852344
Yes, exactly. They completely have mastered the political game and the art of framing, etc.

Their problem is that their hate has gotten out of control and they're identity politics advancement (like saying that there are more than two genders) is like going full retard. Again, that's the problem, hate is a losing strategy if it's too obvious.

Also social media and the internet has red-pilled lots of people and allowed them to see through the game, through the smoke and mirrors of the Left.

>>137845878
Anything associated with Whites is immediately associated with Nazi's. Thanks to your boy Hitler, white identity is a lost cause

>>137845878
everyone knows this but no one will be willing to do it because it's not the easy way out

>>137853011
/pol/ consists of everything. Because few other venues allow much free speech, all the Nazi spegging happens here.

Maybe you should start with GTFO of my site when you want to promote cuckersative policies.
Either you are with us, or you are against us; And trying to remake this so that it will conform to leftard believes means you are with them.

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>>137845878
It's a permanent catch-22 because of >>137847642
Even if you present it in a positive, pro-identity light, with no hatred towards other races and cultures, the "anti-semitism" label is their permanent ace in the hole.
As soon as you point out the people who are spewing anti-white hatred and promoting our removal from society, you will be labeled a nazi no matter what you do.
I don't much see much purpose to a pro-white movement if it isn't centered around solving the problems of white people.

>>137853095
No. He raised a glass of booze and said Hail Trump! Hail our People!

Fake news (and everyone who read it) continues to say he was saluting for obvious reasons.

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>>137845878
Winnning:
> Train your opposition to hate a powerful symbol. this is how to control them
> You cannot fly the flag of a historical enemy (even if it was a mistake) and expect to receive wide cultural support. This will only succeed in uniting the opposition whereas uniting under the american flag will divide the opposition into American vs. Anti-American. Too many people like this country and it’s ideas have prevailed.
> Any government in the U.S. (local, state, federal) will feel obligated to protect the U.S. flag as a symbol, and any violence against it cannot be portrayed as moral.
> It is lawful in every way to carry the U.S. flag and say anything you want to define it. Force fed red pills.
> Any partitioning symbology will be perceived as weak individualism by strong people and leaders. You should at least want to try to have your ideas integrated into the massive institutions that already exist especially when there are people in the Executive administration ready to catch you when you fall
> There are too many disadvantages of not defining yourself, WHEN NATIONALISM IS ALL ABOUT DEFINING YOURSELF
> You will distinguish yourself from (((subversive outliers))) and undisciplined copycats.
> Undisciplined mobs are easily divided and distracted by paid agitators, then pushed aside. Their voices don’t matter to a strong unified group. Strength is in unity. This is what the advantage is in a nationalistic political strategy. Use it as much as possible, and use it where it hurts the most.
> If you cannot manage a crowd of violent homosexuals as non-violently as possible (shield wall, helmets, face shields…), your voice will just be shouted down and not taken seriously.
> This is what Trump needs. he has made a huge sacrifice and we should help provide him the type of support needed to preserve the existence of our people and a future for white children. this is how to hold him to it.

>>137852623
This image is my point. This image is acceptable in this culture, which is insane, and the reason is because white people have been prevented from having their own racial identity.

They key isn't to suck nigger dick or even focus on other races. They key is to create a giant kumbaya for white identity, for white people, for white culture. Just positive. That's it. Just uplifting. THIS has to happen first.

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>>137853613
>Any government in the U.S. (local, state, federal) will feel obligated to protect the U.S. flag as a symbol, and any violence against it cannot be portrayed as moral.
Works fine, fuck off shill

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Golden Dawn in Greece started out by giving out clothing and food to poor greeks and they grew in power quickly.

>>137845932
Love and tenderness will not save us. "When choosing between a strong horse and a weak horse, people pick the strong horse."

We need a label for the left.
Trump recently use "alt-left".

The left are using "White Supremacist". THIS is a smart technique. They are putting all the conservatives from the neo-Nazis to the "liberal- conservatives" in the same box. Causing the entire movement to seem racist.

We need a effective label to call out the entire left movement.

>>137845932
Dude why even post here old pol died, and the retards took over.

>>137853723
Here`s food for tought: If you need to force a label, then it isn`t a good label.

>>137853701
So did the mob.

It works.

>>137852893
Some people are lost, but these people would definitely not be won over through hate.

The point is to stop the anti-white brainwashing, and the key to this is to inject and cement a positive and healthy white identity movement into the culture. Period.

>>137853723
All of the left is the alt left.

This is retarded.

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>>137853634
>because white people have been prevented from having their own racial identity.
> create a giant kumbaya for white identity, for white people, for white culture
Even if you subvert every Nigger on here, I will come back and spread Hate Nigger, Redpills and 14/88

Watch some reality on Hitler shitlib with a white paint job
https://youtu.be/lmGqG3grTrg

>>137848813
Nigger you are utterly fucking wrong. The japs don't recognize halfbreeds as their kin. They see them as outsiders. The same is true for basically all groups of humans because rejecting outsiders from your in group is in our nature.

>>137853095
This guy >>137852992 is clearly a shill. Sure Spencer has had some fuck ups (nazi salute), going that far pushes the vast majority away, I do think he realized it later.

His press conference was pretty good, he obviously made an effort to portray friendliness kinda like what you are suggesting. https://www.pscp.tv/w/1eaKbmLOWdqxX

White nationalism is definitely too large a pill to swallow for a lot of normies, but we can work on more than one level at once.

>>137853716
Nobody is saying the movement would show weakness. In fact, the movement must not show weakness because weakness is unattractive. The movement must be strong in its mission and that mission is---at first--to inject a positive and healthy white identity movement into the culture.

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>>137853896
Red
Army
Fraction

"Moderate" Islam

Terrorism works, if it is hardcore enough.

>>137845878
I'm glad to see /pol/ actually discussing this and not simply having knee-jerk reactions to Antifa chimpouts as intended.

>>137853613
This is strong reasoning. Liberals and traitors already hate the stars and stripes to begin with.

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Nothing works like demoralization techniques.

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>>137853926
I have LOTS of hate in my heart. FUCKING LOTS. That's why I'm on here trying to win this shit. And I see clearly exactly what that's going to take.

It all starts with a positive and healthy white identity movement. Don't confuse that with loving black and jews and shit. That's not what I'm saying. The movement needs to be basically positive white identity which leads to positive white tribalism white then leads to your wildest dreams.

>>137853701
Greece is totally pozzed and muzzed out now isn't it though? What have they accomplished? Are they still strong? I haven't heard about them in a long white.

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>>137845878
But that's not what movements like this do.

Movements like Alt Right, and Isis target
angry and/or sexually-frustrated 20-somethings, looking for something other than themselves to blame for their own failures, so they don't have to take a look at themselves: if you can blame your inability to succeed on the "dirty infidel" or "the Jewish conspiracy" or "the commies" or "the SJW cucks" and direct your self-loathing outward, then you don't have to come to terms with the fact that you are in-fact the ultimate cause of your own failures. The tactics are basically identical, and it doesn't work with a positive message, it HAS to be negative in order to channel all that frustration and offer convenient excuses to not self-improve.

>>137845878
You're so naive. You know Madonna called John McCain Hitler even though he cucked the shit out of himself. Maher called Romney Hitler. It doesn't matter what you do or say, they will call you Hitler Nazi unless you vote for current - Progressive - Messiah. The entire right has always been and always will be nazis to the left.

The left only ever supports a right winger when they punch right, and only to the extent that they punch right, and only so long as they punch right.

Next time Romney or McCain ever say something positive about Trump, they'll be back in the literally Hitler camp too.

>White love.
You're racist and sexist unless you're fucking black trannies
>White positivity.
Is white supremacy. You either feel guilty about being white or you are a supremacist
>No supremacy, just positive white identity.
White identity = white supremacy. Have you not been paying attention? You can try to assert that No Supremacy Just Identity and they will pretend to not understand what you mean and just keep on talking about how Nazi you are.

Jesus people, pay attention please. They aren't arguing in good faith. The whole point is to call you a nazi and make you run from it, keep you on defense and apologizing for existing. Read fucking Rules for Radicals would you please?

Wrong, this is a retarded idea that was already employed (failingly) by the conservative movement for like 60 years, as soon as you play their game of identity politics, you lose. Did Trump get into the WH by being a paragon of unassailable character? Lmao.

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No, everyone hates the left, it is in it's death throws, wake up. Do you want the right to go the same way?

Right must be a movement of truth, science, reason, strength and culture. You must become that family unit that everyone see as an ideal reflection of what their life could have been when their lives inevitably drown in filth.

And when they come at your with bitter envy, hatred and violence, they will be outed as the monsters they truly are.

This movement should be a secret order that rides out the storm of perverted destitution and cultural erosion. The last bastion of the Anglos as the flood of radical Feminism eugenically cleanses our race.

I'm just using them as an example, doing charity work to help out poor white people will do more to win them over to your side than a million red pills.

You catch more flies with sugar than vineger

>>137847653
I bet you wish you could be proud to be heterosexual and not retarded. Nature is cruel and unfair.

PS: Lmaoing @ ur lyfe

For the small or weak it can be advantageous to appear aggressive. For the strong, it's often advantageous to downplay it.

Look at Aussies mopping the floor with their rugby opponents wearing a yellow shirt with a picture of a fucking kangaroo on it.

Everyone loves them.

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>>137854545
>You're so naive. You know Madonna called John McCain Hitler even though he cucked the shit out of himself. Maher called Romney Hitler. It doesn't matter what you do or say, they will call you Hitler Nazi unless you vote for current - Progressive - Messiah. The entire right has always been and always will be nazis to the left.
Do you really not get that there is a genuine difference between decades of jokingly calling people like Nazis, and calling literal Neo-Nazis marching with Swastika flags and chanting Nazi slogans Nazis? That is a major turning point, and not one that the (admitedly Jewish) media is going to let die in the name of a new news cycle.

This is different.

ACTUAL Nazis murdered an unarmed woman.

>>137846961
>white identity is not literally Nazi are you fucking retarded?
Are YOU fucking retarded? They aren't following any rational cognition here. They don't call you nazi because you do nazi shit, they call you nazi because you are the opposition and that label is effective even if it is applied to people who literally fought in ww2 against nazis.

TO THE LEFTISTS, WHITE IDENTITY = NAZI

PERIOD. There is NOTHING you can do to not be called a Nazi EXCEPT vote for Hillary.

McCain and Romney did everything in their power to be cucked as fuck, and during their campaigns they were still called Nazis. The only reason they aren't being called Nazis AT THIS MOMENT is because the Left has value in having them punch Trump. As soon as McCain/Romney stop punching Trump they become Nazis again.

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>>137854344
I'm still waiting on the bracket explanation
Will you deliver OP?
And yes, we are on the same side if your healthy white identity is getting fit and engaging in community activities BUT you need to fucking get what you are in for, they will call you Nazi bigot racist no matter what you do TILL you have the power and I'm not talking about Trump. This said, your message will get watered down to a (((moderate))) and have your movement hijacked by the (((centrists))) making it another arm of the neo libtard ZOG arm or , or you will simply be called a racist that plays victim.

Yes, YOU and your possie can call Nazis out, but don't wonder when they come back at you. Also if you don't have an allied group that pulls things to the extreme (bombs, hijack planes, kidnap and behead children) you will have not enough room to act, and you will be watered down. Learn from the terrorist left and their not so moderate allies

Making white children ahould be the number one priority desu. It is hypocritical of me to say, because I am an unmarried college student, but for any that can, have children.

>>137846011

If you 14 (((they))) will call you 88 anyway.

>>137854124
the only thing that would put these feminist bitches in their place is islam

>>137845878
>>137845932
>>137845963
Fuck off, newfag!

They'll call us Nazis no matter what. Might as well enjoy kicking some lefty ass.

>>137854666
Did he get into the WH by waving a Nazi flag though?

>>137845878
no we constantly try and appease them and they call our side hitler and nazis well if they want to fight then that is what they are going to get. Im tired of appeasing the man children of the left. No more pandering they can get fucked.

>>137845878
Why are you here?

>>137854453
You're close, but not entirely accurate.

First, the Left has racially charged all non-whites with a positive racial identity. This is why this is key. This is the first step.

Then, now that all these non-white races have a healthy and positive racial identity and view of themselves (in terms of race), the Left tells them that they are victims of white people and white supremacy, but they frame "fight" for them, for these victims, as as a fight for "equality" and "inclusion." These are the frames their operating under, under these positive frames (equality and inclusion, love, etc).

So FIRST we inject a positive and healthy white identity movement into the culture. THEN sky's the limit.

Just copy what they do--start a positive white identity movement, then tell these white people who feel positive about being white, that they are victims of systemic white oppression, etc. But it all starts with injecting

>>137848394
>they fall within the frame of hate.

YOU DUMB FUCKING SHIT
The "FRAME" is created by the FUCKING MEDIA. The Media that THEY control. They attacked the shit out of rally members, the peaceful ones, and Alt-Left violence is covered up like it never happened. They KILL COPS and the media covers it up like it never happened, like alt-left is still hippy peace and love childs.

Do you have control of the schools and media channels by which to present the facts in a frame that makes them look good? No? Then even your little peace and love chants will be enframed as Nazi shit since THEY control the frame.

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>>137854909
>t.AlbertoBarbosa
No alliance with muslim, they betrayed the white in the '70s together with the RAF and in 2011 by helping the Jews to destroy their land

>>137854923

The point of the positive white identity is win over the normies, he who controls the normies controls the world.

>>137848550
it doesnt matter whether it's true or not, so we never have to mention it.

they'll call us supremacists enough that we won't need to.

>>137854453
>looking for something other than themselves to blame for their own failures
Please stop with this bullshit meme. If your morals are not compatible with a degenerate rigged corrupt system, then it is not "blaming someone for your own failures" when you criticize and drop out of the system instead of cucking yourself to be a part of it.

>>137855124
The influence of the MSM is overrated. If it was absolute as you're portraying it Trump would've never won the presidency.

Social media is all that matters these days, and they have yet to gain complete control over even the most popular channels.

Another thing is when we talk about a white ethnostate, it's very important to mention that we support ethnostates for every ethnicity. That we want to protect ethnic diversity and want every race to prosper. The goal should also always be 1 state (at first).

>>137849146
>muh dishonesty

The simple fact of the matter is you poltards lack a knack for strategy. Think about it, cunning is the most powerful weapon in the modern world. It's why Jews are winning, and until you guys learn the art cunning that will never change.

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>>137855347
That's actually a good idea

>>137854545
The Left will never support the movement, I'm not talking about gaining acceptance from the Left.

I'm talking about creating a positive and healthy white identity movement, specifically creating a positive view around white people, whiteness, white culture, white identity, etc. Free from hate, or white nationalism, etc. Just FIRST injecting and creating this positive white identity movement.

This HAS to happen to get the culture to really start changing. You can dream all you want to act openly hostile, or violent, or hateful, or segregationalist, etc., but that's not going to ge anywhere.

Why do you think the Left does EVERYTHING they can to prevent any positive white expression? Because they KNOW that this is the key to their demise in their identity politics driven game. This is the key. This needs to happen. It's going to take a movement that has a solid grasp on framing and political strategy, which is something in all honesty the Left has mastered.

>>137845878
>hate
you outed yourself

>>137847000
Did you read any of this thread you low iq fuck

>>137845878
What about the media? The media would either label the movement as racist no matter how hard we try not to be or they wouldn't acknowledge the movement at all leading to no exposure. Face it, the jews own everything and will do anything in their power to stop another Hitler

>polspasti s bashjng OP

Are you mentally deficient?
Retarded?
intellectually impaired?

A Swastika, S-heiling and other nazi shit is a jews wet dream and automatically sinks EVERY movement.

Nazis shoul be delegated to the fringes of society forever and ever and beaten up and excluded whenever they attach their deadly presence to a pro-white movement.

we should forever separate pro white and naziaboos.

The greatest mistake Spencer made at Charlotessville is tolerating nazi spergs and not immeniately tearing down their flags and chasing them away.
now the media has everything they dreamed about and alt right or right in general is branded as nazism in thd normie mind

Nazism is a contagious deadly virus that kills whatever it touches and mkre beneficialy to white enemies than any national movement


everyone who doesnt see it is a retard and should kys

>>137855347
that's literally Hitler

not in a lefty kind of "that's bad" way, but like what he envisioned

>>137854834
You must be like 18 years old or something huh? You know 'literal' Neo-Nazis marched around with swastika flags and chanted nazi slogans and literally curb stomped faggots to fucking death during the 80s and 90s?
>This is different
It is the first time in like a few years that something like this has been widely publicized. It isn't fucking new. NeoNazis didn't just pop into existence and grouping up this year, holy fuck go home kid.

NO MATTER WHAT YOU DO, THE LEFT WILL CALL YOU A NAZI, JUST FOR BEING ON THE RIGHT.

It wasn't a fucking joke when the left called W Bush Hitler, Reagan Hitler, etc. They literally believed it then and went hysterical just like now. They're insane herd animals and if you aren't a part of their herd then they are terrified of you and hate you no matter what.

The Left actually HATES blacks and muslims and even faggots. They don't have normal relationships with them. Whenever a white super progressive hipster interacts with a nog or a tranny it is explicitly in the sense of demonstrating how tolerant they are.

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>>137855611
Have you read the thread and do you get that OP was formulated like
>lets pander to the left and engage in happy mixed ass fucking

There'll always be Nazis or Nazi Larpers. But something else needs to be started. Something more exclusive and without the specific baggage and dogma. An overarching umbrella identity with only the most basic core principles where the majority of politically right movements overlap.

>>137854453
>rock throwing anarchist calls others frustrated
Oh, the irony.

>>137855347
>>137855438
This is the right frame, put this is step 2 or 3. This CANNOT be part of the initial movement, which is simply positive white messaging, positive white identity. It has to be simple things, like "love your whiteness--all races are beautiful." Think about it like an organization aimed at helping psychologically damaged people recover. This is the entire point of my post. This is the direction that the movement needs to begin with. Just positive white identity, not talking about white safe spaces, or white nationalism or preserving white countries (these things will happen only if first you create white tribalism, which comes from having a healthy white identity).

>>137855450
Dude there IS NO KEY. There ALREADY IS a "positive view around whiteness" it is the fucking christcucks. Who bend over backwards to show how loving they are. But the left still calls them nazis because they don't cut off their dicks and support gay marriage.

You must be one of those atheists who shares that same view yourself to not even recognize the christcucks as the very positive white identity shit you are talking about.

Go ahead, try whatever you fucking want. Start a hippie movement smoke weed talk about peace an end to wars basic income whatever you want. UNLESS YOU VOTE FOR HILLARY, THEN YOU ARE A NAZI.

THAT IS IT.

PERIOD.

YOU VOTE FOR THEIR CANDIDATE OR YOU ARE A NAZI.

>>137855959
That's not white identity.

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>>137855119
>First, the Left has racially charged all non-whites with a positive racial identity. This is why this is key.
Except it's not. There are lots of people who are proud Irish, proud Nords, proud Angles, proud Greeks, proud French, proud Germans etc... and nobody gives a flying fuck or "charges it negatively" (well maybe a bit with the Germans, but national guilt is an understandable part of their cultural identity these days.) Ghead and be proud of your heritage, but don't try to lump every heritage that happens to be of a similar tone together. "White" isn't a herritage, it's a color. Maybe if you learned your actual heritage, you'd have something to be proud of that doesn't make you look like douchey a shift-manager at Carl's Jr with a Tiki torch.

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>>137855277
Tell me more about how the "rigged corrupt system" is keeping you down, and not your own inadequacies.

>>137855334
>The influence of the MSM is overrated. If it was absolute as you're portraying it Trump would've never won the presidency.
EXACTLY. So stop giving a shit that the MSM calls you a fucking Nazi. Quit this "Oh we have to have a positive white identity movie and then the left will stop calling us mean names". What you want is exactly what the christcucks have been doing for decades, and they are still nazis to the left. They will never stop calling you nazis until you vote for Hillary or whoever the next candidate is. So stop trying to change yourself; the more you run from it the more they will attack you with it. They'll just insist that you're hiding it better than before and using 'dog whistle' racist code words. They will construe EVERYTHING you do as racist, ALL YOUR POLICIES, ALL YOUR SPEECH, all of it racist nazi somehow in some interpretation. Oh you listen to this music because you're a crypto nazi. Oh you cut your hair and walk that gait because you're a crypto nazi. It never ends.

>>137846340
>"No supremacy, just positive white identity"
The left will simply say that you're lying nazis.

Regular people would still associate "white identity" with racism and supremacy because they've been trained to do it.

>>137856271
my inadequacies of refusing to sell my soul to follow the multitudes into evil. I'll gladly claim that. It is my fault for not cucking myself and participating in evil. Like if a group of people were starving and I decided I wasn't going to resort to cannibalism it would be my fault for dying since I refused to eat another human being. I'll take that thanks.

I did my 4 years in the military. I got my graduate degree. I got enough work credits to qualify for social security when I hit retirement age. I'm done brother. I'm not contributing anymore to this fucking scam of a system. I'm not bringing any children into this hell to be indoctrinated and taken away from me. You can fucking have it.

I agree with OP to be honest.

>>137848042
Exactly.